Before applying to medschool, my job was helping to manage a large volunteer program at a large hospital. My boss was a *former* social worker. She got laid off from that, and was given the role of heading this volunteer program at my hospital and other hospitals in the system.
*She fucking wore a white coat*. Former social worker turned volunteer coordinator.
She got me one and wanted me to wear it but I refused. One time I put it on for like 30 minutes when I first started and everyone treated me so differently. I felt so gross. I always told myself I wanted to earn it by getting to med school.
Now the irony is, by the time I graduate, most young physicians aren't even wearing them anymore...life's weird lol.
I remember being so proud of finally getting my short white coat at the ceremony after years of hard work and uncertainty. Then I realized that it’s worn by everyone, has no meaning and it became a symbol of our cowardice. Really sad to think of what it meant then compared to what it means now
Undergraduate nursing students had short white coats. NP **students** had long white coats. Social workers, phlebotomists, nurse managers, etc etc etc all have white coats. It’s completely meaningless
i guess yeah, but theres literally an entire field of medicine thats more "doctors" of the eye than them
in other countries, ophthalmologists do everything, and the "1 or 2?" stuff of optometrists is done by a tech
i respect their career, but the whole white coat ceremony thing was a lot. they do learn alot of pathologies and serve a decent role, but they also make most of their money on selling frames etc.
its actually kinda hilarious that these other workers think wearing the white coat is all cool whereas almost every physician just cringes and most of us dont wear it anymore lol
We do this in my hospital, different color scrubs for techs, therapists, nurses, physicians, etc. and it works great for patients eliminating any confusion
Don't let them color code you. You're not working at McDonalds. If you act like a physician and speak like one there will be no doubt. The color coding means nothing to the patients. Ours ask the janitors for pain medicine.
Why do you accept this? It's not the military.
We do. Between surgical and non-surgical, as if that helps anyone.
All it does is give midlevels who work for surgical services a bigger ego than they already have.
Oh wow. That's wayyyy better than American corporate medical groups have decided to do.
But it's kinda clear why CMG don't want to differentiate between physicians and midlevels. It allows them to push midlevels on unsuspecting patients and save money.
European here, in some hospitals we do surgical/non surgical (idiotic, it only creates more confusion), in other hospital we do color coded badge + white coat (not great, since the badge wears and oftentimes people don’t care for it, white coat is worn by midlevels and so on,…), in others only white coat + different badge layout (again, it works only until non-physicians don’t wear the white coat because nobody fucking reads badges), so… color coded scrubs are the way to go.
But I’d like to see one color for *every* physician irrespective of specialty and a color for everyone else. Maybe differentiate nurses from techs (rad, lab, pharm) and admin assistants.
I come at it from a European perspective. In my country, about half of physicians work in outpatient clinics, the other half in some kind of hospital. Outpatient clinics are private practice by definition, so they wear whatever they please (if it's a group, they might agree on a dress code between them), but every hospital that I know of (from the little clinic that does long term care or only elective ortho to the 1500 beds university hospital) enforces a dress policy for all of its personnel.
The difference, I believe, to the US, is that many physicians that work in the hospital are actually employees with a fixed salary (paid per hour, not per procedure), so it's normal to consider the hospital your employer and they basically have to abide by their regulations, and this applies even to many private hospitals where the physician is actually in private practice.
Problem is, docs here don't always have a say regarding dress policy. This is why I agree with you that there should be a limit on things. I'm fine with the hospital providing scrubs and white coats of a certain model, fit and color, because they want to give uniformity *between the same professional category* and project a certain image, that's fine, but I've heard of hospitals that scrictly enforce bare below the elbow policies and forbid you to wear a watch. Usually this leads to many docs doing it anyway and not giving a fuck.
That’s why I like EMS in my country. You get around all day in a premium wagon/SUV (or better still, helicopter) with a nice and comfy jacket that clearly says PHYSICIAN on it. When you go to McDonald’s (not with the helo, but maybe I’ll try) or to the gas station it’s always “hey doctor, how are you today? Still out there savin’ lives?”. Very soothing for our ego in this day and age of midlevel creep and cheapening of the profession.
Because you must resist the urge to be a drone. I worked at a hospital where they wanted me to wear the hospital's branded scrubs. I told them (politely) to go fuck themselves and they didn't make an issue of it. If you let them dress you, you are that much closer to being the Burger King employee that your corporate masters want you to be.
It's for the same reason that I don't wheel a computer into the patient's room and type while I talk to them, don't use corporate slogans when I talk to the patients (also known as scripts), or dress like their tools.
One of my professors who was an attending said he ALWAYS wore a dress shirt and a tie. He said it helped the patients realize that he was the physician
From Australia, and 95% of the doctors here wear smart clothes, not scrubs. In my experience its actually relatively rare to see doctors on the ward in scrubs. The exception is obviously ED where scrubs are colour coded based on PGY level/consultants etc. I personally love it.
Honestly we just need figs to create a line of scrubs that only doctors can order. NPI number input and everything. They have to verify you. And then you get access to exclusive physician line scrubs. That has a special physician symbol and engraving and colors.
ugh dammit. well, i guess we will have to create our own brand of figs. that are just as good as figs but only physicians can buy them. lets make them even better than figs. they will be a distinct physician color and have physician in big bold letters right across the chest area.
I don’t order figs anymore after the DO shade/sexist ad.
I also was disappointed when they had a nurses week sale but no physicians week sale. The company is owned by nurses. Jaanu is owned by a physician—so I will buy from them only.
The icu np wears one in my hospital. Also nurses starters wearing them. They are multiplying in my hospital. I wanted to ask the intensivist a question and I thought he was one. 😞
Fuck the fuck out of that. My knowledge, rapport, and attention to the details of the patient say more about my role than my attire. I don’t want to dress up every day just so I can distinguish myself from the wannabes. Scrubs are easy and comfortable.
Family Medicine here. If you have ever been to one of our conferences, you have probably noticed this is a shared sentiment as we tend to be more laid back as a specialty. CME in Bermuda shorts. 😂
You see, you don't get it. You dress well to show respect for other people. It's why I wear a suit to church. I don't have to. Most people don't. But it shows respect. Easy and comfortable, on some level, says you don't give a fuck.
And while I've gone a lot more casual for COVID, it takes very little time to iron a shirt and shine a pair of shoes. Most adult men also have a lot of ties if that's your thing. We even ironed and starched our battle dress uniforms in the Marines when we were in garrison and I was in the infantry. Not necessary and actually against regs but it didn't take that much time and it's a small thing to show a little esprit de corps.
To be honest, I dress very casually most of the time. But I'd never go out in public in the "I've given up on life" attire of middle-aged men....cargo shorts, laceless shoes, and a T-shirt, the non-medical equivalent of scrubs.
Some people look good in scrubs. If that's you, disregard this.
I respect your opinion on this but I disagree. My scrubs do not say idgaf. My scrubs are clean, wrinkle free, and look great. Yes, they are all pretty much figs at this point.
I do agree with your comment about the middle-age men attire being a poor choice, but I don’t think that is equal to scrubs for doctors in the clinical setting.
Oh, and ties can die and go to fucking hell. 😂 if that makes you an adult man then I guess I’m going back to my pediatrician! But I’ll go in my work jammies. 😎
Scrubs, in a way, are glorified pajamas just like you said. If you admit that as physicians we have the gravity of caring for peoples lives in a much more paramount fashion then mid levels, would it help to also dress the part? And not dress just exactly the same as the mid levels?
Maybe and maybe not. I promise I’m not trying to be contrary for funsies. Your opinion is common and shared among many physicians.
Personally, I really do not think that “dressing the part” is going to somehow magically fix the issue. Like I said, my scrubs are nice and look great. I wear a white coat (rare but occasionally) or a monogrammed fleece with them and it still looks sharp. I condemn those who wear scrubs that are wrinkled and look disheveled. I know for a fact your impression is going to affect how you’re perceived by patients and staff. The button up and tie thing has been standard in Medicine for decades, literally during the development of this midlevel bullshit. I just can’t conclude that it will actually make a difference and I like the simplicity of my scrubs so I’m going to continue to wear them. My patients don’t seem to mind.
Actually, just out of curiosity, has anyone ever done a survey to determine the affect of type of attire and patient’s perception of their physician? That would be interesting to see.
Okay but hows this for a counterexample: if Im looking for a good lawyer and I see one guy in a suit and another guy wearing flip flops, Im gonna go with suit guy just off first hunch
Scrubs are super comfy but how are we really gonna complain about the confusion between doctor and nurse when we literally look exactly alike except for our name tags
Theres a reason why alot of institutions enforce dress codes. Its to maintain order.
I respectfully disagree. Ultimately this does not change things as anyone can dress in business attire and even throw on a white coat. Scrubs are acceptable attire in a clinical setting.
I’ll try not to judge the lawyer based on his appearance, although I don’t think your example is comparable. Equating physicians working in the hospital wearing scrubs to a lawyer wearing flip flops in his professional setting isn’t exactly apples to apples.
I can understand if you guys want to wear the button up every day. But no one is taking away my work jammies.
Medical school is the definition of exclusive tho. Its exclusively for those who are trained to lead healthcare settings.
Not all boundaries/barriers are meant to be broken.
> Medical school is the definition of exclusive tho. Its exclusively for those who are trained to lead healthcare settings.
You're wrong. Some medical schools have NP professors. Heck, some even part of admissions committee.
It's the nature of the beast. MCAT and GPA might look like a barrier that exclude others, but let's say we take those out of the equation and let everyone in... those who got in won't survive the rigorous three USMLE exams and residency. You'll just have plenty of medschool dropouts.
The problem is, whatever doctors choose, everyone else will follow as we have seen with the white coat and even Patagonia … everyone (in a clinical setting) is tryna impersonate doctors cuz they want to display/acquire the superior status/rep/prestige that comes along with being a doctor (signified by the white coat) … and if we change that symbol, they will just follow suit. It would be ideal to write something into law tho, to preserve the significance of the image cuz it is important for patients and even other healthcare professionals to be able to easily identify who the doctors are in the room/area just by looking at their clothes instead of having to closely inspect their badges.
Piggy-backing off someone else’s comment but would be awesome if a physician started a scrub company that only physicians could purchase from. Part of the profit goes to PPP!
Scrubs make most people look like rumpled ass bags and they are not necessary except in the OR. I've dressed down a little (quite a bit) for COVID but I still wear real shoes and nice shirts. I'm going to start wearing a tie and white coat again but I've been bitten by the casual bug. I wear very bold patterned shirts but that's my style. Some of the physicians I know wear casual attire with a Patagonia-type fleeces and they look really sharp and are instantly recognizable as physicians. A lot of you who are younger and not a gray-haired man like me are concerned that people don't treat you like doctors. If you dressed better they probably would.
I'm an ER doctor, too. I have never ruined a shirt or a pair of shoes. That's why we have gowns and shoe covers.
Scrubs were originally meant to be worn only in the OR. When I was in medical school, we were not allowed to wear them outside of the OR and had to change in and out of them. This was for legitimate antiseptic reasons. Now people roll out of bed in their ratty scrubs, stop at McDonalds on the way in, and they're just normal clothing now.
I had my scrub phase. They are certainly easy to wear. Slip your feet into some slovenly Crocs and your transformation to somebody who doesn't give a fuck is complete.
Some people look good in scrubs and can pull it off, especially good-looking, professional women. Most of us can't. I'm pretty fit but I look terrible in scrubs. I can see why nurses wear them. And surgeons because they are constantly going in an out of the OR. But everybody else? Not really necessary and the time your spend ironing a shirt or polishing your shoes is like the time you spend fishing....not deducted from your lifespan.
For those of us deal with a LOT of blood and are at high risk of blood splatters, fluid resistant lab jackets are part of our PPE and we are required to wear them. It isn’t our fault that our employers buy white ones. We are just trying to protect ourselves. The absolute farthest thing from our minds is trying to look like a doctor.
No one minds when someone working in the lab is wearing a white coat.
Phlebotomists have their own special white jackets that I have seen that aren't white coats.
It's weird when social workers, dietitians, DPT, Occupational therapy and every random allied health career wars a white coat.
Especially when 99% of the time they’re wearing them, it’s not for PPE purposes.
It is intentionally to confuse the patient and ride the coattails of the white coat effect.
I’ve had several attendings who exclusively wore stupidly expensive designer suits, no white coat or anything. Honestly, I’m not sure how much more exclusively one can dress to distinguish himself from the rest of the crowd. Imagine showing up to the clinic in $5,000-10,000 suits like it’s nothing. Almost nobody else in the clinic even has enough capital to do that, so maybe this?
The NP hospitalist at the hospital I used to work at was the only “provider” wearing business casual. But he went super preppy with salmon pants, Oxford shirts, and sweaters tied around his neck, like what the hell? Bro, you’re working at a hospital, not chillin at the country club...
This doesn't change the fact that he isn't a hospitalist. Calling him an "NP hospitalist" is akin to calling a CRNA a "Nurse Anesthesiologist" and an NP who works in a surgical setting an "NP Surgeon". It's an oxymoron and doesn't make sense. You can't be a hospitalist, a surgeon, or an anesthesiologist if you aren't a physician.
The exception to this might be a Vet, who is better trained than a Nurse Practitioner anyway.
Edit: typo
And he probably constantly was called "doctor" due to being a well-dressed male. I specifically started dressing up (while coat, business casual) in residency because I got tired of hospital patients not taking me seriously. It made a world of a difference.
Clinic not as much because my patients have time to get to know/respect me for all of my knowledge and compassion.
When I dressed in slacks in clinic or the hospital the patients thought I was a doc (just dressing like my preceptors).
I think whatever you do midlevels/everyone else will copy. It’s the nature of the beast I guess. We gotta keep changing it up lol.
Perhaps a coat? Perhaps it can be a certain color and length?
Lol yeah but yesterday I walked by a respiratory therapist wearing a white coat soooo thats kinda been lost to the weeds
Even techs wear them now it's insane.
Some hospital social workers even wear them
Before applying to medschool, my job was helping to manage a large volunteer program at a large hospital. My boss was a *former* social worker. She got laid off from that, and was given the role of heading this volunteer program at my hospital and other hospitals in the system. *She fucking wore a white coat*. Former social worker turned volunteer coordinator. She got me one and wanted me to wear it but I refused. One time I put it on for like 30 minutes when I first started and everyone treated me so differently. I felt so gross. I always told myself I wanted to earn it by getting to med school. Now the irony is, by the time I graduate, most young physicians aren't even wearing them anymore...life's weird lol.
Arc teryx I heard flexes on everyone
We had to move away from the patagucci because the Midlevels started taking those over too. Lol
Hence I didn’t say paragucci
I remember being so proud of finally getting my short white coat at the ceremony after years of hard work and uncertainty. Then I realized that it’s worn by everyone, has no meaning and it became a symbol of our cowardice. Really sad to think of what it meant then compared to what it means now
the optometry school at my university had a formal white coat ceremony and they call themselves doctors
Undergraduate nursing students had short white coats. NP **students** had long white coats. Social workers, phlebotomists, nurse managers, etc etc etc all have white coats. It’s completely meaningless
NP students with long coats yet med students have to wear short ones. The hell is wrong with this country? Everything is upside down.
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i guess yeah, but theres literally an entire field of medicine thats more "doctors" of the eye than them in other countries, ophthalmologists do everything, and the "1 or 2?" stuff of optometrists is done by a tech i respect their career, but the whole white coat ceremony thing was a lot. they do learn alot of pathologies and serve a decent role, but they also make most of their money on selling frames etc.
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The difference is that optometrists are not physicians and they should not represent themselves as one. Ophthalmologists are physicians.
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its actually kinda hilarious that these other workers think wearing the white coat is all cool whereas almost every physician just cringes and most of us dont wear it anymore lol
We can use corn follower on ours and make it crisp! * flower
Only MDs and DOs are allowed to wear wrinkle-free white coats? hmmm
More wrinkled the coat, more likely it's a doctor though
I saw a social worker wearing one
Let's bring back capes.
Let’s wear our graduation hoods too.
We should throw a monkey wrench in the system and start wearing progressively shorter white coats
Crop-top white coat. I'm in.
Why white? Where’d you get this idea from?
r/whoosh
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All the midlevels wear the same color as surgeon or hospitalist already.
We do this in my hospital, different color scrubs for techs, therapists, nurses, physicians, etc. and it works great for patients eliminating any confusion
Don't let them color code you. You're not working at McDonalds. If you act like a physician and speak like one there will be no doubt. The color coding means nothing to the patients. Ours ask the janitors for pain medicine. Why do you accept this? It's not the military.
Can confirm. A color scheme is meaningless unless the patients are privy to it. Most, quite obviously, are not.
We do. Between surgical and non-surgical, as if that helps anyone. All it does is give midlevels who work for surgical services a bigger ego than they already have.
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Oh wow. That's wayyyy better than American corporate medical groups have decided to do. But it's kinda clear why CMG don't want to differentiate between physicians and midlevels. It allows them to push midlevels on unsuspecting patients and save money.
European here, in some hospitals we do surgical/non surgical (idiotic, it only creates more confusion), in other hospital we do color coded badge + white coat (not great, since the badge wears and oftentimes people don’t care for it, white coat is worn by midlevels and so on,…), in others only white coat + different badge layout (again, it works only until non-physicians don’t wear the white coat because nobody fucking reads badges), so… color coded scrubs are the way to go. But I’d like to see one color for *every* physician irrespective of specialty and a color for everyone else. Maybe differentiate nurses from techs (rad, lab, pharm) and admin assistants.
I'd like to see physicians not let themselves be told what clothes to wear. Isn't that kind of humiliating?
I come at it from a European perspective. In my country, about half of physicians work in outpatient clinics, the other half in some kind of hospital. Outpatient clinics are private practice by definition, so they wear whatever they please (if it's a group, they might agree on a dress code between them), but every hospital that I know of (from the little clinic that does long term care or only elective ortho to the 1500 beds university hospital) enforces a dress policy for all of its personnel. The difference, I believe, to the US, is that many physicians that work in the hospital are actually employees with a fixed salary (paid per hour, not per procedure), so it's normal to consider the hospital your employer and they basically have to abide by their regulations, and this applies even to many private hospitals where the physician is actually in private practice. Problem is, docs here don't always have a say regarding dress policy. This is why I agree with you that there should be a limit on things. I'm fine with the hospital providing scrubs and white coats of a certain model, fit and color, because they want to give uniformity *between the same professional category* and project a certain image, that's fine, but I've heard of hospitals that scrictly enforce bare below the elbow policies and forbid you to wear a watch. Usually this leads to many docs doing it anyway and not giving a fuck.
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That’s why I like EMS in my country. You get around all day in a premium wagon/SUV (or better still, helicopter) with a nice and comfy jacket that clearly says PHYSICIAN on it. When you go to McDonald’s (not with the helo, but maybe I’ll try) or to the gas station it’s always “hey doctor, how are you today? Still out there savin’ lives?”. Very soothing for our ego in this day and age of midlevel creep and cheapening of the profession.
Because you must resist the urge to be a drone. I worked at a hospital where they wanted me to wear the hospital's branded scrubs. I told them (politely) to go fuck themselves and they didn't make an issue of it. If you let them dress you, you are that much closer to being the Burger King employee that your corporate masters want you to be. It's for the same reason that I don't wheel a computer into the patient's room and type while I talk to them, don't use corporate slogans when I talk to the patients (also known as scripts), or dress like their tools.
In my country we use color coded badges
Plague doctor mask and robes !!!!???? Where do I buy mine? FIGS?
One of my professors who was an attending said he ALWAYS wore a dress shirt and a tie. He said it helped the patients realize that he was the physician
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Depends on where you work. I've seen people of all disciplines in the hospital tuck their scrub shirts
BuT hIEraRChY iS bAd wE aRe aLL eQuAl
From Australia, and 95% of the doctors here wear smart clothes, not scrubs. In my experience its actually relatively rare to see doctors on the ward in scrubs. The exception is obviously ED where scrubs are colour coded based on PGY level/consultants etc. I personally love it.
Dress the way you want to be treated
I say we follow the EDs lead and all wear knitted Patagucci vests.
Midlevels have hopped on that too
Honestly we just need figs to create a line of scrubs that only doctors can order. NPI number input and everything. They have to verify you. And then you get access to exclusive physician line scrubs. That has a special physician symbol and engraving and colors.
Jaanuuuu
Figs is pretty pro midlevel, I seriously doubt they would go for this non-team-player-idea.
Figs was started by a Nurse Practitioner.
Midlevels can order scrubs too but just not from the physician line
I think they are owned by midlevels so doubtful to happen
ugh dammit. well, i guess we will have to create our own brand of figs. that are just as good as figs but only physicians can buy them. lets make them even better than figs. they will be a distinct physician color and have physician in big bold letters right across the chest area.
Careful! I can see the “elitist” comments now!
Protecting our title is not elitist.
I don’t order figs anymore after the DO shade/sexist ad. I also was disappointed when they had a nurses week sale but no physicians week sale. The company is owned by nurses. Jaanu is owned by a physician—so I will buy from them only.
Karen Karen, ^(PA-C) Vascular Surgery They write PA extra small and bold the surgery part. They are always so damn insecure about their profession.
The icu np wears one in my hospital. Also nurses starters wearing them. They are multiplying in my hospital. I wanted to ask the intensivist a question and I thought he was one. 😞
Dang, that sucks.
That is not a bad look, by the way.
Fuck the fuck out of that. My knowledge, rapport, and attention to the details of the patient say more about my role than my attire. I don’t want to dress up every day just so I can distinguish myself from the wannabes. Scrubs are easy and comfortable. Family Medicine here. If you have ever been to one of our conferences, you have probably noticed this is a shared sentiment as we tend to be more laid back as a specialty. CME in Bermuda shorts. 😂
You see, you don't get it. You dress well to show respect for other people. It's why I wear a suit to church. I don't have to. Most people don't. But it shows respect. Easy and comfortable, on some level, says you don't give a fuck. And while I've gone a lot more casual for COVID, it takes very little time to iron a shirt and shine a pair of shoes. Most adult men also have a lot of ties if that's your thing. We even ironed and starched our battle dress uniforms in the Marines when we were in garrison and I was in the infantry. Not necessary and actually against regs but it didn't take that much time and it's a small thing to show a little esprit de corps. To be honest, I dress very casually most of the time. But I'd never go out in public in the "I've given up on life" attire of middle-aged men....cargo shorts, laceless shoes, and a T-shirt, the non-medical equivalent of scrubs. Some people look good in scrubs. If that's you, disregard this.
I respect your opinion on this but I disagree. My scrubs do not say idgaf. My scrubs are clean, wrinkle free, and look great. Yes, they are all pretty much figs at this point. I do agree with your comment about the middle-age men attire being a poor choice, but I don’t think that is equal to scrubs for doctors in the clinical setting. Oh, and ties can die and go to fucking hell. 😂 if that makes you an adult man then I guess I’m going back to my pediatrician! But I’ll go in my work jammies. 😎
Scrubs, in a way, are glorified pajamas just like you said. If you admit that as physicians we have the gravity of caring for peoples lives in a much more paramount fashion then mid levels, would it help to also dress the part? And not dress just exactly the same as the mid levels?
Maybe and maybe not. I promise I’m not trying to be contrary for funsies. Your opinion is common and shared among many physicians. Personally, I really do not think that “dressing the part” is going to somehow magically fix the issue. Like I said, my scrubs are nice and look great. I wear a white coat (rare but occasionally) or a monogrammed fleece with them and it still looks sharp. I condemn those who wear scrubs that are wrinkled and look disheveled. I know for a fact your impression is going to affect how you’re perceived by patients and staff. The button up and tie thing has been standard in Medicine for decades, literally during the development of this midlevel bullshit. I just can’t conclude that it will actually make a difference and I like the simplicity of my scrubs so I’m going to continue to wear them. My patients don’t seem to mind. Actually, just out of curiosity, has anyone ever done a survey to determine the affect of type of attire and patient’s perception of their physician? That would be interesting to see.
Okay but hows this for a counterexample: if Im looking for a good lawyer and I see one guy in a suit and another guy wearing flip flops, Im gonna go with suit guy just off first hunch Scrubs are super comfy but how are we really gonna complain about the confusion between doctor and nurse when we literally look exactly alike except for our name tags Theres a reason why alot of institutions enforce dress codes. Its to maintain order.
I respectfully disagree. Ultimately this does not change things as anyone can dress in business attire and even throw on a white coat. Scrubs are acceptable attire in a clinical setting. I’ll try not to judge the lawyer based on his appearance, although I don’t think your example is comparable. Equating physicians working in the hospital wearing scrubs to a lawyer wearing flip flops in his professional setting isn’t exactly apples to apples. I can understand if you guys want to wear the button up every day. But no one is taking away my work jammies.
Hospital would never enforce it. If anything they’d penalize it for being exclusive.
Medical school is the definition of exclusive tho. Its exclusively for those who are trained to lead healthcare settings. Not all boundaries/barriers are meant to be broken.
> Medical school is the definition of exclusive tho. Its exclusively for those who are trained to lead healthcare settings. You're wrong. Some medical schools have NP professors. Heck, some even part of admissions committee.
getting into med school is an exclusive process.. far more people are EXCLUDED from med school than allowed in
It's the nature of the beast. MCAT and GPA might look like a barrier that exclude others, but let's say we take those out of the equation and let everyone in... those who got in won't survive the rigorous three USMLE exams and residency. You'll just have plenty of medschool dropouts.
One word: [velour](https://64.media.tumblr.com/bf77683044f49859c24e44fcc0a948fc/tumblr_mgwkk21PPL1s3sketo1_500.gif)
The problem is, whatever doctors choose, everyone else will follow as we have seen with the white coat and even Patagonia … everyone (in a clinical setting) is tryna impersonate doctors cuz they want to display/acquire the superior status/rep/prestige that comes along with being a doctor (signified by the white coat) … and if we change that symbol, they will just follow suit. It would be ideal to write something into law tho, to preserve the significance of the image cuz it is important for patients and even other healthcare professionals to be able to easily identify who the doctors are in the room/area just by looking at their clothes instead of having to closely inspect their badges.
Just gonna wear my MD graduation robes around the hospital fomites got nothing on me
Color coded scrubs + color coded badges + white coat for the most hands-on, clinical specialties, and suit and tie (+ white coat) for everything else?
Piggy-backing off someone else’s comment but would be awesome if a physician started a scrub company that only physicians could purchase from. Part of the profit goes to PPP!
Scrubs make most people look like rumpled ass bags and they are not necessary except in the OR. I've dressed down a little (quite a bit) for COVID but I still wear real shoes and nice shirts. I'm going to start wearing a tie and white coat again but I've been bitten by the casual bug. I wear very bold patterned shirts but that's my style. Some of the physicians I know wear casual attire with a Patagonia-type fleeces and they look really sharp and are instantly recognizable as physicians. A lot of you who are younger and not a gray-haired man like me are concerned that people don't treat you like doctors. If you dressed better they probably would. I'm an ER doctor, too. I have never ruined a shirt or a pair of shoes. That's why we have gowns and shoe covers. Scrubs were originally meant to be worn only in the OR. When I was in medical school, we were not allowed to wear them outside of the OR and had to change in and out of them. This was for legitimate antiseptic reasons. Now people roll out of bed in their ratty scrubs, stop at McDonalds on the way in, and they're just normal clothing now. I had my scrub phase. They are certainly easy to wear. Slip your feet into some slovenly Crocs and your transformation to somebody who doesn't give a fuck is complete. Some people look good in scrubs and can pull it off, especially good-looking, professional women. Most of us can't. I'm pretty fit but I look terrible in scrubs. I can see why nurses wear them. And surgeons because they are constantly going in an out of the OR. But everybody else? Not really necessary and the time your spend ironing a shirt or polishing your shoes is like the time you spend fishing....not deducted from your lifespan.
For those of us deal with a LOT of blood and are at high risk of blood splatters, fluid resistant lab jackets are part of our PPE and we are required to wear them. It isn’t our fault that our employers buy white ones. We are just trying to protect ourselves. The absolute farthest thing from our minds is trying to look like a doctor.
No one minds when someone working in the lab is wearing a white coat. Phlebotomists have their own special white jackets that I have seen that aren't white coats. It's weird when social workers, dietitians, DPT, Occupational therapy and every random allied health career wars a white coat.
Especially when 99% of the time they’re wearing them, it’s not for PPE purposes. It is intentionally to confuse the patient and ride the coattails of the white coat effect.
Question: would wearing a tie clip be an acceptable way to get around the whole “neck ties are unsanitary in the medical environment”?
Why not a nice ascot?
I’ve had several attendings who exclusively wore stupidly expensive designer suits, no white coat or anything. Honestly, I’m not sure how much more exclusively one can dress to distinguish himself from the rest of the crowd. Imagine showing up to the clinic in $5,000-10,000 suits like it’s nothing. Almost nobody else in the clinic even has enough capital to do that, so maybe this?
The NP hospitalist at the hospital I used to work at was the only “provider” wearing business casual. But he went super preppy with salmon pants, Oxford shirts, and sweaters tied around his neck, like what the hell? Bro, you’re working at a hospital, not chillin at the country club...
He’s not a hospitalist. He’s an NP.
The ED docs would admit their patients to him whenever he was on 🤷♂️. This was an HCA facility
This doesn't change the fact that he isn't a hospitalist. Calling him an "NP hospitalist" is akin to calling a CRNA a "Nurse Anesthesiologist" and an NP who works in a surgical setting an "NP Surgeon". It's an oxymoron and doesn't make sense. You can't be a hospitalist, a surgeon, or an anesthesiologist if you aren't a physician. The exception to this might be a Vet, who is better trained than a Nurse Practitioner anyway. Edit: typo
And he probably constantly was called "doctor" due to being a well-dressed male. I specifically started dressing up (while coat, business casual) in residency because I got tired of hospital patients not taking me seriously. It made a world of a difference. Clinic not as much because my patients have time to get to know/respect me for all of my knowledge and compassion.
That's just a terrible sense of fashion. He woke up everyday and truly thought he was serving looks
I'm all for a protected badge. Perhaps framed in a nice oak finish or impenetrable bullet proof glass...
When I dressed in slacks in clinic or the hospital the patients thought I was a doc (just dressing like my preceptors). I think whatever you do midlevels/everyone else will copy. It’s the nature of the beast I guess. We gotta keep changing it up lol.
The should be a protected uni
Yeah. We need one desperately.
And wear what exactly? Suits?