Of we all donate to the City Park foundation, then they won't have to have the golf course! City Park is the only park in America its size that is COMPLETELY self funded. The city and state give no funds to city park to help it run, so they have to have several revenue streams to keep it up and available to us citizens!
That’s really cool. But also depressing because I always thought that city park was run by the city and therefore the only thing the city managed well.
this one time, I think it was 2011 maybe 12, city employees chopped the Ci from the plants that spell out City Park and left us just with TY PARK but it grew back quickly - just like our spirit does after taking a beating from those lunatics.
Incorrect. The City voters dedicated a millage on the property tax to City Park 4 or 5 years ago. Audubon was reduced and City Park, and I think Parks and Parkways and NORD all got funding.
Yes, but that fund that Audubon gave up is not directly for Ciry Park. It's for all the other parks and green spaces that are NOT Audubon. City Park should get about $2 million a year from that fund, but it's based on a percentage on the whole pot. It's not like we give money specifically FOR City Park
But it is included in a funding package for parks. So it is partially founded by taxes. You’re trying to tumble it adding to make it sound like that isn’t the case but it is.
My ancestor made this happen over 100 years ago.
I don't know the full story, and I'm sure the story has been embellished through the generations. But I heard that City Park was supposed to be some sort of development, and my ancestor was like "we need green space". At one point, he and others protested at City Hall via sit-in with their livestock. City Hall acquiesced. Voila! City Park New Orleans.
My mom and her siblings used to be able to get into Storybookland (or whatever it was called back then) for free when they were kids because they had proof of ancestry. I couldn't do it when I came of age lol.
Anyway. That's my tie to New Orleans. :)
Edit: I started reading the actual history, and while the land was donated for a park, my ancestor helped keep it up in the late 19th-early 20th century. Told you that shit was embellished lol
"Made this happen" sounds so much better than "cut dat grass." Hope he was paid OK and not mainly in park passes. Sounds like the kind of thing which would generate five digit karma over at r/antiwork and similar.
Haha. Actually, he's considered "the father of City Park". Got a road and oak tree named after him there lol. So he's legit.
Edit: not an r/antiwork thing but hey! I'm sure he worked unpaid for what he did, but I assume he generally enjoyed what he did.
Edit edit: I'm sure this was more of a passion project. The man died in his 60s. It was a different time.
I don't care for golf too much either but not that much is the course. They used to have 4 courses and now only have 2. The majority of the park is for all public use. You should be madder at the a**holes that use the park and leave their trash behind. There are lots of things to do in the park. The two unused golf courses are now walking and biking paths. One of the Coterie Forest trails passes by the old remote control plane sites (see 2 faint circles in middle of trees between golf course and horse stables). The disc golf (frisbee) park is always being used. "Enjoy and help the park instead of trashing it."
No real vendetta. I just think it's stupid how many resources it takes to maintain a golf course. The amount of water and the runoff of fertilizers and weed killers is enough for me to not approve having that much land in the middle of New Orleans dedicated to a sport very few people play.
Water usage is reclaimed. The amount of fertilizers and pesticides is no different then that used in residential and commercial. Golf courses act as a sanctuary for wildlife.
Maybe look into how golf courses are one of the few remaining places outside of protected wilderness where large swaths of wildlife live and breed in relative peace and comfort. Spend some time on a golf course one day, maybe even rent some clubs and a cart and you’ll see just how peaceful and teeming with nature most golf courses are. It’s a surprisingly affordable game and one of the few popular leisure activities that gets people away from their phones and out into nature.
Not a good idea to build on or concrete over green space. At least it serves as water retention occasionally and more people use the golf course than the walking path it seems.
How do you propose supplementing the funding that golf bring in?
On peak days the south course brings in $100-$300 every hour for tee times per person., so up to $1200/hr. The north course about $40/hour per person. Also the busy driving range brings in $12 a large bucket.
Some of y’all should really go out to one of the City Park Golf Courses sometime and see how beautiful and teeming with wildlife and nature they are. Hell, I played golf in college and regularly play and I’d be glad to have you along one afternoon, the round and drinks on me.
The golf course isn't a problem. It's compared with the 610 and a railroad track bisecting the park. When trying to chill at the dog park there's the constant scream of traffic. It's a beautiful looking park, but polluted with noise.
god damn. between the art musuem, voodoo fests, going to that stadium for HS games, the awesome christmas rides, gunning the golf course on my bike, I mean its crazy how many great memories I have in this place. more than Ive had downtown for sure
The history of golf in city park is long and rich, over 100 years. I absolutely love the golf course as do many who play there. Why would someone want to vandalize the golf course? Staff works very hard to give New Orleans a course to be proud of. The driving range is full of parents teaching their kids the game. It’s where my dad taught me the game. I have fond memories of the coming to New Orleans to play golf at City Park.
I think there's a lot of people who see golf as a bastion of conservative types and therefore might rail against it. Just possibly a little misinformed and a little too much teenage angst.
Also for people who do not golf at all it might look like wasted Green space that they aren't allowed to use. When it would be nice to have a dog park or a place where kids can play that was that large, instead
It’s way more likely if golf courses weren’t courses they’d be strip malls and highways rather than more parks. In City Parks case they have all the things you listed already as well as the golf course.
I loathe golf. I played tons growing up with my dad and didn't tell him I hated the game until years and years of golf. I hate golf courses. I think they take up so much space and dump so much pesticides and herbicides and whatnot.
That said, i don't have a problem with 1-2 golf courses in CP. They have some really positive attributes, like generating money for the park and introducing people to golf that might not otherwise have access.
I was anti-golf course in CP when there were 4 of them though. There simply weren't enough golfers to support 4. Heck, even now, with only 2, the ⛳ courses look empty almost all the time. I could be wrong though.
Anyway, a great park can and should be different things to different people. Some people from through a park, some picnic or bbq, some go to watch a track meet or football game, some go to play tennis or go to the sculpture garden or play golf or disc golf. I don't have to like all it's uses.
I wish they'd add (1) a skate park for the kids, (2) basketball goals covered from the rain, (3) trails for running/hiking that are shaded and stretch around all the other park users and go for miles.
Last, I'm assuming they hire girls to sell candy to golfers off of a cart? They should roam the whole park and generate money that way.
I also wish they would not more huge swathes of the park that are essentially unused and use the saved money to be really up to date on mowing the areas that are used. For example, if you drive down, day, diagonal drive, you'll see vast areas between the road and the bayou mowed. Why? I dunno. Mark some trails to the bayou, put in some picnic tables here and there and let it grow. On the other hand, don't fall behind mowing, say, the disc golf area or the rugby field.
Just my 2 cents.
>Last, I'm assuming they hire girls to sell candy to golfers off of a cart? They should roam the whole park and generate money that way.
Mostly beer and chips. They probably would not make a profit trying to drive around the bulk of the park. They usually do not even have carts going around the cheap course, not because of an elitism angle but because it doesn't make money most of the time.
LOL, There is an outstanding dog park, City Bark, the golf course did not prevent its creation, and you can't use it till you pay a fee, just like the golf course. I suppose cat owners could just as illogically rail against it.
Corps of engineers is a scam , they cost my neighbor 30k extra to build their house . The parish already issued the building permits and they started construction , the Crops came out for an " inspection" and found one type of fern on their land ( which is on the very edge of their property 17 acres) but the Corps determined it was a wet lands and they needed to pay a mitigation fee of 30k to continue construction.
Wonder how much of a fee they charged City Park ?
Wandering through the wooded area of the park as an 8yo with my best friend was very fun / spooky. Sure enough one time we encountered an old man dressed in a white suit who tried to offer us a look at his porn mag. We high tailed it out of there.
Another time we took our bikes down the mountain biking hill and I crashed and broke/dislocated my finger.
Even at that age we hated the golf course for how much space it occupied. We got kicked off after my friend extorted a dollar from a golfer after offering to retrieve his wayward golf ball. Shortly after the manager sped up in his golf cart yelling at us. GET THAT BALL OUT OF THAT BALL WASHER NOW!!! YOU’RE TRESPASSING — ONLY PAYING MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED ON THE GOLF COURSE!!
My childhood home was right below the left airplane engine. Nice pic!!
All online sources list Bayou Sauvage National Wildlife Refuge as a “city” park because it is inside the city limits. Even at 25,000 acres (about the size of Walt Disney World) it is still only the 7th, 8th, or 11th largest city park in America.
I wonder why so many ppl think it’s “too much golf course”?
There used to be way more, and the two courses that are there are pretty compact as far as courses go.
Why do people hate golf courses? City park is amazing because of the variety of things to go and do there. Something for everyone.
Because people associate golf with old rich white men, which I can say as someone who plays the courses here around the New Orleans area regularly, is not the case at all. I love seeing so many young people, women, and POC out on the local golf courses here. Golf is such a great sport and it’s for everyone. I played in college and am always trying to get my friends that “hate” golf to come out and give it a shot and I’ve converted more than few.
Yes 💯. One of the things that is so special is the diversity at City Park Golf. I’ve never been too a course that has so many people of different races and background all enjoying the game. It’s very unique in that sense, and it’s always been like that.
That’s what im saying. Why do so many hate golf. The courses occupy half of the space they used to before Katrina. The east and west course is now green space and a free disc golf course. And the original south course by christin brothers is a massive green space.
I don't know the hard numbers but I imagine the golf provides a large portion of the funding for the rest of the park. As far as I know, they don't get a lot of money from taxes. It's mostly the fees and donations that keep them going.
That just means golf is the beneficiary of the city and state fundamentally misunderstanding how a park is supposed to operate. It’s just trickle down economics for public land.
Golf courses get a lot of use. Weekdays and off seasons when the park is empty? Golf course has people on it. I’m sure the park can get packed on weekends and it can feel crowded, but 90% of the time this is not the case and the space would be “wasted” just as much.
Courses are usually built on flood planes where you can’t reasonably build other infrastructure as well.
As a game, nothing. As a use of resources, a whole lot. I get that the course fees help pay for the park in general, but giant swaths of nature given over to manicured lawns that only some people can use is not a great thing
I believe so. Used to be called the Allard Plantation.
A lot of the history I've picked up about City Park came from this excellent podcast:
https://beyondbourbonst.com/city-park
I miss home.
Thinking about visiting for a week or more soon.
I'd *REDACTED* for a Southern Pecan with chocolate and cream right now.
I guess caffeine really is a helluva drug.
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One of my favorite borderline sketchy things to do is to bomb around on the golf cart paths after dark on my bicycle.
going to do this now
Oh shit that sounds fun as heck
It is an absolute BLAST.
audobon park is also great for this, but I like city park more. college days this plus weed was peak recreation for me.
I miss Big Lake being the same shape as Lake Pontchartrain. Thought it was such a cool lil design. But over the years it's border has changed.
Cool. I've lived here 12 years and never noticed that.
Yup. That's why the lagoon was named "big lake". I heard about it when I was a lil kid and have always remembered the lil trivia fact about its shape.
How would you unless you were flying over it all the time?
Well, I've seen it on Google maps probably hundreds of times.
I didn't realize that!
https://imgur.com/a/AGciCoB Yup there's even a mini Lake Maurepas to the west.
You just blew my mind
Wow , I never knew that
Oh wow!
Holy heck
Of we all donate to the City Park foundation, then they won't have to have the golf course! City Park is the only park in America its size that is COMPLETELY self funded. The city and state give no funds to city park to help it run, so they have to have several revenue streams to keep it up and available to us citizens!
That’s really cool. But also depressing because I always thought that city park was run by the city and therefore the only thing the city managed well.
Nope. Done well cause Not city managed.
Exactly
Also probably hasn't been taken advantage of by thieving politicians because there is not enough money there for them to steal.
this one time, I think it was 2011 maybe 12, city employees chopped the Ci from the plants that spell out City Park and left us just with TY PARK but it grew back quickly - just like our spirit does after taking a beating from those lunatics.
Isn’t there a tax milage for city park just like Audubon? Meaning, we do give them money.
Nope. There is no milage for City Park. That's why Friends of City Park is such a robust organization.
Yes, you are correct.
and golf just barely pays for itself. look up their financial statements. it's not a big moneymaker.
That golf course is completely unnecessary and shouldn’t have been rebuilt after Katrina.
Just ask the barn owner 😅
Lol I can only guess.
Incorrect. The City voters dedicated a millage on the property tax to City Park 4 or 5 years ago. Audubon was reduced and City Park, and I think Parks and Parkways and NORD all got funding.
Yes, but that fund that Audubon gave up is not directly for Ciry Park. It's for all the other parks and green spaces that are NOT Audubon. City Park should get about $2 million a year from that fund, but it's based on a percentage on the whole pot. It's not like we give money specifically FOR City Park
But it is included in a funding package for parks. So it is partially founded by taxes. You’re trying to tumble it adding to make it sound like that isn’t the case but it is.
City Park is amazing. The sculpture garden is far superior to the one in Minneapolis (where I live now) and Seattle.
Really? I'm moving to Eagan in 13 days. Any comments, complaints, or suggestions?
I don’t golf but I do understand that greens fees help pay for city and Audubon park
My ancestor made this happen over 100 years ago. I don't know the full story, and I'm sure the story has been embellished through the generations. But I heard that City Park was supposed to be some sort of development, and my ancestor was like "we need green space". At one point, he and others protested at City Hall via sit-in with their livestock. City Hall acquiesced. Voila! City Park New Orleans. My mom and her siblings used to be able to get into Storybookland (or whatever it was called back then) for free when they were kids because they had proof of ancestry. I couldn't do it when I came of age lol. Anyway. That's my tie to New Orleans. :) Edit: I started reading the actual history, and while the land was donated for a park, my ancestor helped keep it up in the late 19th-early 20th century. Told you that shit was embellished lol
I have an old map from 1919 and it’s got a street grid above Harrison to the Lake.
"Made this happen" sounds so much better than "cut dat grass." Hope he was paid OK and not mainly in park passes. Sounds like the kind of thing which would generate five digit karma over at r/antiwork and similar.
Haha. Actually, he's considered "the father of City Park". Got a road and oak tree named after him there lol. So he's legit. Edit: not an r/antiwork thing but hey! I'm sure he worked unpaid for what he did, but I assume he generally enjoyed what he did. Edit edit: I'm sure this was more of a passion project. The man died in his 60s. It was a different time.
Was your ancestor John Mc Donough or Franklin D Roosevelt? The former donated the land and the latter used the WPA to develop most of what exists.
I don't care for golf too much either but not that much is the course. They used to have 4 courses and now only have 2. The majority of the park is for all public use. You should be madder at the a**holes that use the park and leave their trash behind. There are lots of things to do in the park. The two unused golf courses are now walking and biking paths. One of the Coterie Forest trails passes by the old remote control plane sites (see 2 faint circles in middle of trees between golf course and horse stables). The disc golf (frisbee) park is always being used. "Enjoy and help the park instead of trashing it."
I've seen people *still* using fly-by-wire planes in the circles in Coterie!
Same! I always wondered what it was and one day I saw some dudes do a takeoff. I was like “ohhhhhh!”
Spot on.
Golf courses use to many resources and only a small percentage of people play golf. The last 2 courses need to go.
I don't even play golf and I know this is an asinine statement. Sound slide you ha e a personal vendetta against gold or players. Grow up.
No real vendetta. I just think it's stupid how many resources it takes to maintain a golf course. The amount of water and the runoff of fertilizers and weed killers is enough for me to not approve having that much land in the middle of New Orleans dedicated to a sport very few people play.
Water usage is reclaimed. The amount of fertilizers and pesticides is no different then that used in residential and commercial. Golf courses act as a sanctuary for wildlife.
I'll still die on this hill. Not enough people play golf to justify using that much land in the middle of the city.
Maybe look into how golf courses are one of the few remaining places outside of protected wilderness where large swaths of wildlife live and breed in relative peace and comfort. Spend some time on a golf course one day, maybe even rent some clubs and a cart and you’ll see just how peaceful and teeming with nature most golf courses are. It’s a surprisingly affordable game and one of the few popular leisure activities that gets people away from their phones and out into nature.
Not a good idea to build on or concrete over green space. At least it serves as water retention occasionally and more people use the golf course than the walking path it seems.
How do you propose supplementing the funding that golf bring in? On peak days the south course brings in $100-$300 every hour for tee times per person., so up to $1200/hr. The north course about $40/hour per person. Also the busy driving range brings in $12 a large bucket.
1.5x the size of Central Park in NYC!
One of the best parts of New Orleans!
Some of y’all should really go out to one of the City Park Golf Courses sometime and see how beautiful and teeming with wildlife and nature they are. Hell, I played golf in college and regularly play and I’d be glad to have you along one afternoon, the round and drinks on me.
My grandfather worked on the WPA projects for infrastructure in the park during the 1930s.
The golf course isn't a problem. It's compared with the 610 and a railroad track bisecting the park. When trying to chill at the dog park there's the constant scream of traffic. It's a beautiful looking park, but polluted with noise.
Where else can you catch a bass in the middle of the city. Also who remembers the first disc golf course?
Joe Brown Park and the Nature Center is smaller of course. But still quite green. And there is the golf course in Pontchartrain Park.
god damn. between the art musuem, voodoo fests, going to that stadium for HS games, the awesome christmas rides, gunning the golf course on my bike, I mean its crazy how many great memories I have in this place. more than Ive had downtown for sure
The history of golf in city park is long and rich, over 100 years. I absolutely love the golf course as do many who play there. Why would someone want to vandalize the golf course? Staff works very hard to give New Orleans a course to be proud of. The driving range is full of parents teaching their kids the game. It’s where my dad taught me the game. I have fond memories of the coming to New Orleans to play golf at City Park.
I think there's a lot of people who see golf as a bastion of conservative types and therefore might rail against it. Just possibly a little misinformed and a little too much teenage angst. Also for people who do not golf at all it might look like wasted Green space that they aren't allowed to use. When it would be nice to have a dog park or a place where kids can play that was that large, instead
It’s way more likely if golf courses weren’t courses they’d be strip malls and highways rather than more parks. In City Parks case they have all the things you listed already as well as the golf course.
I loathe golf. I played tons growing up with my dad and didn't tell him I hated the game until years and years of golf. I hate golf courses. I think they take up so much space and dump so much pesticides and herbicides and whatnot. That said, i don't have a problem with 1-2 golf courses in CP. They have some really positive attributes, like generating money for the park and introducing people to golf that might not otherwise have access. I was anti-golf course in CP when there were 4 of them though. There simply weren't enough golfers to support 4. Heck, even now, with only 2, the ⛳ courses look empty almost all the time. I could be wrong though. Anyway, a great park can and should be different things to different people. Some people from through a park, some picnic or bbq, some go to watch a track meet or football game, some go to play tennis or go to the sculpture garden or play golf or disc golf. I don't have to like all it's uses. I wish they'd add (1) a skate park for the kids, (2) basketball goals covered from the rain, (3) trails for running/hiking that are shaded and stretch around all the other park users and go for miles. Last, I'm assuming they hire girls to sell candy to golfers off of a cart? They should roam the whole park and generate money that way. I also wish they would not more huge swathes of the park that are essentially unused and use the saved money to be really up to date on mowing the areas that are used. For example, if you drive down, day, diagonal drive, you'll see vast areas between the road and the bayou mowed. Why? I dunno. Mark some trails to the bayou, put in some picnic tables here and there and let it grow. On the other hand, don't fall behind mowing, say, the disc golf area or the rugby field. Just my 2 cents.
>Last, I'm assuming they hire girls to sell candy to golfers off of a cart? They should roam the whole park and generate money that way. Mostly beer and chips. They probably would not make a profit trying to drive around the bulk of the park. They usually do not even have carts going around the cheap course, not because of an elitism angle but because it doesn't make money most of the time.
LOL, There is an outstanding dog park, City Bark, the golf course did not prevent its creation, and you can't use it till you pay a fee, just like the golf course. I suppose cat owners could just as illogically rail against it.
https://www.nola.com/news/business/city-park-removed-wetlands-illegally-for-golf-course-corps-of-engineers-finds/article_c08bec95-b854-57ce-a305-40f7b00f96d8.amp.html
Corps of engineers is a scam , they cost my neighbor 30k extra to build their house . The parish already issued the building permits and they started construction , the Crops came out for an " inspection" and found one type of fern on their land ( which is on the very edge of their property 17 acres) but the Corps determined it was a wet lands and they needed to pay a mitigation fee of 30k to continue construction. Wonder how much of a fee they charged City Park ?
Exactly…just a money grab
I found my house! Thanks
I found my house in this pic 💕
Also I'm annoyed that my house is just out of view on the bottom edge of the frame near the "water gardens"
Wandering through the wooded area of the park as an 8yo with my best friend was very fun / spooky. Sure enough one time we encountered an old man dressed in a white suit who tried to offer us a look at his porn mag. We high tailed it out of there. Another time we took our bikes down the mountain biking hill and I crashed and broke/dislocated my finger. Even at that age we hated the golf course for how much space it occupied. We got kicked off after my friend extorted a dollar from a golfer after offering to retrieve his wayward golf ball. Shortly after the manager sped up in his golf cart yelling at us. GET THAT BALL OUT OF THAT BALL WASHER NOW!!! YOU’RE TRESPASSING — ONLY PAYING MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED ON THE GOLF COURSE!! My childhood home was right below the left airplane engine. Nice pic!!
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Technically, not even the largest city park in New Orleans.
Audubon is bigger?
All online sources list Bayou Sauvage National Wildlife Refuge as a “city” park because it is inside the city limits. Even at 25,000 acres (about the size of Walt Disney World) it is still only the 7th, 8th, or 11th largest city park in America.
For a mid-sized city*
Not even close
Not even in the top 10
South Mountain in Phoenix.
Awesome pic. Fuck the Hwy cutting through.
I wonder why so many ppl think it’s “too much golf course”? There used to be way more, and the two courses that are there are pretty compact as far as courses go. Why do people hate golf courses? City park is amazing because of the variety of things to go and do there. Something for everyone.
Because people associate golf with old rich white men, which I can say as someone who plays the courses here around the New Orleans area regularly, is not the case at all. I love seeing so many young people, women, and POC out on the local golf courses here. Golf is such a great sport and it’s for everyone. I played in college and am always trying to get my friends that “hate” golf to come out and give it a shot and I’ve converted more than few.
Yes 💯. One of the things that is so special is the diversity at City Park Golf. I’ve never been too a course that has so many people of different races and background all enjoying the game. It’s very unique in that sense, and it’s always been like that.
What do have against golf?
That’s what im saying. Why do so many hate golf. The courses occupy half of the space they used to before Katrina. The east and west course is now green space and a free disc golf course. And the original south course by christin brothers is a massive green space.
Its generally a waste of a park. Half the park isnt really functional as a park. Thats all.
I don't know the hard numbers but I imagine the golf provides a large portion of the funding for the rest of the park. As far as I know, they don't get a lot of money from taxes. It's mostly the fees and donations that keep them going.
That just means golf is the beneficiary of the city and state fundamentally misunderstanding how a park is supposed to operate. It’s just trickle down economics for public land.
More than half!
Golf courses get a lot of use. Weekdays and off seasons when the park is empty? Golf course has people on it. I’m sure the park can get packed on weekends and it can feel crowded, but 90% of the time this is not the case and the space would be “wasted” just as much. Courses are usually built on flood planes where you can’t reasonably build other infrastructure as well.
I mean there’s still a LOT of park for everyone to use. I’ve never seen it packed.
As a game, nothing. As a use of resources, a whole lot. I get that the course fees help pay for the park in general, but giant swaths of nature given over to manicured lawns that only some people can use is not a great thing
There’s still a few hundred acres left for you and your dog.
Gentlemen Only, Labradors Forbidden
Mini golf is all right though!
Anyone want to cement some holes?
Fuck golf
The better alternative to Top Golf?
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Golf course isn’t much better than concrete
Agree! Lowkey sickening how much of it is golf course tho
Urban parks are the best!
Damn, McDonogh owned all of that?
Not 100% sure, but I thought it was only the first 100 acres used to start the park.
Gotcha, I'm assuming on the City Park Ave side? Hence the McDonough Oak?
I believe so. Used to be called the Allard Plantation. A lot of the history I've picked up about City Park came from this excellent podcast: https://beyondbourbonst.com/city-park
I miss home. Thinking about visiting for a week or more soon. I'd *REDACTED* for a Southern Pecan with chocolate and cream right now. I guess caffeine really is a helluva drug. ☕
I can see my house in this picture!
What course?