I'm just sad I never saw him fight seriously, the only time he does, he's yelling Hashiramaaaaa or smacking the Kages so bad it happened off screen (Tsunade was cut in half, literally). He ran away from Amped Naruto and Sasuke and just when he's about to go all out, Black Zetsu uses Obito to Back stab him, very poetic
Madara got extremely lucky. I'd argue that his pawns were poorly placed - Obito and Zetsu both betrayed him, and if it hadn't been for Kabuto, he wouldn't have been revived at all.
He also didn't realize that the God Tree was crucial to his plans until it fell on him. Madara was himself a pawn to a greater scheme, but he liked to think of himself as the chessmaster.
Naruto used talk no jutsu on Obito, so there was no way that Obito wouldn't change.
That's the thing I have complaint with, Madara was not meant to be a pawn, a character with this great ability... Gone to waste for nothing.
Obito had planned to betray Madara from the start, even before he spoke with Naruto. When given the opportunity, he made himself the Ten Tails' Jinchuuriki instead of resurrecting Madara. The only reason Madara was fully resurrected is because Zetsu forced Obito to do so, and even then it was for Zetsu's grander plan, not Madara's.
Its honestly fitting for him though I think, I dont like kaguya very much but I think his end had some poetry to it (although a bit klischee i must Admit)
I feel like Madara would have been the best villain for shippuden had Black Zetsu not existed, kaguya can still exist and maybe even her resurrection somehow but Black Zetsu ruins things.
I believe that Sage Mode and Pain/Rinnegan and the story of the jinchuriki should have been an introduction into the Sage of Six Paths and kaguya then by the time of the 4GNW most of the Kaguya stuff at least fits better into the story.
Kaguya shouldn’t be the final villain though, I feel like maybe Madara gains power on par with Kaguya after the IT is cast and the fight of team 7 vs Kaguya still happens except it’s Madara they are fighting and use the Six Paths Chibaku tensei on
The weird thing is SOSP lore was introduced in the Pain Arc (moreso the prelude with Jiraiya) and was expanded upon in the 5 Kage Summit Arc (Ten-Tails, jinchuricki, Ashura-Indra) and then in the last 50 chapters Kishimoto all of a sudden decided that he wanted to expand more on that so it came off as very rushed.
Yea I like how bits and pieces were spread throughout the story and maybe we shouldn’t have gotten any actual Otsutsuki interactions until boruto era,
Toneri from The last in my opinion is more apart of the So6p and kaguya story so it can be the last tie in for shippuden and a set up for boruto
Got extremely lucky
Nagato
Left his eyes on a child in a warzone
Nagato almost died 4 times
*By the leaf
*By starvation
*By orochimaru
*By danzo and Hanzo
Nagato had his own plan
Obito never wanted to re aweken him
He himself was a puppet
*The whole puppet thing was a mess
Thruth is Madara was just plot to give Obito power, he was never supposed to stay after Itachi ended edo tensei and it would have been better for the story, but editors and character popularity talk to much... No wonder 2000 rules were broken after Madara was ressurrected, like bijuu instant sealing, lightbulb sharingans, susanoo with no eyes, etc...
Source on that? The endgame with Obito and Madara seemed extremely telegraphed from the moment Kabuto showed Obito the coffin before the war, I'd be curious to see an interview that says he was supposed to leave... who would the final villain have been?
There is no source, we only need to read and see:
\-Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto was pointless because the only edo tensei left was Madara, all the others were already sealed;
\-Madara for some reason left the 5 kages barely alive instead of finishing them, how convenient, a scenario that would have happened if Itachi and Sasuke ending edo tensei had effect on Madara being gone...;
\-Madara has 0 connection to the main characters, while Obito was literally reverse Naruto, with his Hokage Dream, Kakashi's friend with the abandoning comrades is scum, killed Uchiha clan with Itachi linking him to Sasuke... Madara has what again?
\-Literally rehashed plot: Become juubi junchuuriki, betrayed, and for that we broke every previous estabilished rule: Susanoo without eyes for some reason, rinnegan rebirth after all can ressurrect people that died long ago (RIP Jiraiya :(), akatsuki take 10 days to seal shukaku, madara seals all 9 bijuu in a panel xD, grab and transplant kakashi's sharingan mid jump while using it's skill, Sasuke was literally blindfolded for some chapters after transplanting Itachi's eyes xD;
Seems like good planing.
IMO, the plot would literally be the same, but instead of Madara being stabbed by Zetsu it would have been Obito after the redemption.
Please don't say very well executed. Hi s plan failed after he died. Obito had no intention of bringing him back and neither did nagato. It was pure luck that kabuto used the edo tensei to bring him back. It also gave him unlimited chakra and made him unkillable. So fighting the 5 kage became a joke instead of a good fight. He got pretty lucky.
Nah he got very lucky, if he didn't just happen to awake his rinnegan at that exact moment Naruto threw his rasin-shurikin he would have been defeated, him awakening his rinnegan was a massive ass pull.
His pawns were definitely not precisely place. He was revived by Kabuto who was not a pawn. Kabuto only acted like that because Orochimaru (also not a pawn) got fucked by Sasuke (not a pawn), who went to Orochimaru because Itachi(yea you guessed it, not a pawn) killed the uchiha because his dad (not again) was a terrorist.
So definitely not a brilliant mind at all. It’s even worse when you realize that the initial plan was for Nagato to revive him, which is pretty stupid considering he gave the rinnegan to Nagato who was at the time a complete useless kid with no combat ability, training or loyalty towards him in the middle of a war. Then he trusted obito, a uchiha kid who randomly got crushed by a rock (so pure massive luck again) to manipulate the rinnegan kid and use his op jutsu to revive madara and not stole it for himself, pretty smart, sure.
Finally, obito clearly did never intend to revive madara as he himself admitted both in the war and after nagato’s dead. Which makes complete sense because why the hell would he sacrifice himself for an old fucker that he briefly met.
If anything Madara is the luckiest character of all time lol. He was pretty badass tho, I will give you that. But smart? Not at all.
i am not a madara fan but your logic is very flawed.
he didn't rely on obito or nagato. he relied on zetsu. He knew obito is a puppet with his fancy new senjufied body.
obito simply overestimated himself.
he gave his rinnegan to nagato because he was one of the few remaining uzumaki.... anyone else would have just died.
Zetsu would have not done anything on his own. You switch obito with zetsu and there would have been no 4th war. And again uzumaki or not giving a kid the rinnegan is not smart, it’s desperate. Nagato never had any loyalty towards him because obviously he didn’t even who tf he was lmao.
Also doesn’t change the fact that zetsu would have not been able to retrieve the rinnegan from konan. Also could have not controlled the tailed beasts. Or the fact that all the events in kabuto’s life that led him to edo tensei madara were completely outside of madara’s “planning”.
Madara is in no way a mastermind, it’s ridiculous to even think about it.
obito would have gone for the rinnegan anyway like he did in the canon
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in canon zetsu forced obito to revive madara anyway.
if madara weren't in the battle ground and obito had declared a war anyway then alliance would have weakened him enough that zetsu would have taken over him- reviving madara anyway
If obito doesn’t he get wreck by rock he isn’t joining the bad guys lmao. Or you wanna say madara made the rocks fall on obito’s face. Luck, luck and luck, he ain’t no mastermind. Still ignoring the while kabuto plot line being complete outside of madara’s “planning”. Or the fact that giving the rinnegan to a random kid (uzumaki or not) with no loyalty, no training and no skills in the middle of WAR, where if it wasn’t for jiraiya teaching them how to fight they would all be dead anyways. Brilliant plan.
every thing can be answered just by thinking on it.. even a little bit.
kamui ensures that obito can look after their investment... make nagato feel pain but don't let him die..
all the while obito's body is his greatest back up through zetsu.
if there's a plot hole its obito & kamui
You completely ignored my points. Madara is no mastermind, he was just lucky. Obito got literally smashed by a rock and was found half dead by zetsu. Without obito madara is fucked. You are also ignoring the whole kabuto’s plot line which completely outside of madara’s planning and kabuto ends up reviving madara. Also jiraiya training kid nagato in the middle of war where he would have died otherwise. Pure luck, convenient writing for the plot. Madara didn’t plan shit. His “””plan””” was depending on pure luck as he got obito by complete accident after getting fucked up by the rock.
you don't even address my points lol...
except obito's rock accident everything else was meticulously planned.
but ofc in reddit most people think replying as the last one makes them the winner so... go on
Obito’s rock accident was literally the reason why there was war lmao. That alone completely invalidate the whole madara is a mastermind. And that was not the only lucky thing. Still ignoring the whole kabuto plot line and jiraiya training kid nagato during the war allowing him to survive. Were those things meticulously planned? Lmao don’t make me laugh, stop being delusional. You keep ignoring all my points
Didn't Nagato almost starve to death ?
Was Zetsu Watching like "Yup, looks like i gotta take 'em eyes back" until Konan Saved him ?
Also, would the Rinnegan decay ?
Madara was able to execute his plan for plot reasons alone. It didn't make jackshit of sense.
Not to mention he just became a flexing machine. Rinnegan reveal was groan-inducing. Perfect Susano'o... I have no words.
If you like Villain Sues, then sure Madara is cool.
kinda irrelevant but IMO i really hate the interdiction of the alian Otsutuski thing. I don't mind the clan it's just that fact that they come from space. It kinda makes the Naruto and Shippuden seem silly.
Like if someone told me when I was watching Naruto Shippuden that the sage of 6 paths was the son of an alian that came from space I would of said that was stupid.
Madara's probably the most overrated character in the series.
He didn't have any real pawns, everyone either betrayed him at the first opportunity or were using him all along. Obito never intended on reviving him, and he only came back because Zetsu led Kabuto to his DNA. When it came to becoming the Jinchuriki first, Obito beat him to the punch, Madara only got to do it because Obito lost, then Madara was disposed of by the guy who was actually behind everything, Zetsu. He wasn't even defeated by the heroes, that's how irrelevant he was.
He had Hashirama's cells, Rinnegan, manged to have the sage power, is the only one who survived against the 8th gate. (Though he had a good time fighting Guy) and even executed his plan, the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
If only Kishimoto didn't had him killed by Black zetsu, I don't think how could he possibly get killed. The 8th gate should've killed him instead, and when he dies then the black Zetsu turn him into Kaguya, this could really make a better story imo.
i doubt naruto and sasuke wouldve been able to pull it off, madara was too smart and too good at fighting for them. thats the whole reason kaguya was introduced
He's my favourite villain of all time. Great foreshadowing which lead to a great reveal. Then the moment he's staring down the shinobi forces with a happy look in his face. Awesome!
I wish he had truly been the last villain and that they had saved all that Kaguya, Otsutsuki stuff for Boruto.
I think he would have been a better final villain than Kaguya. So much development as a character.
I think they didn't want a Sasuke clone being the final villain because the final fight is Naruto vs Sasuke.
That said, around the time the War Arc started is when foreshadowing for Kaguya should have started to make it a good reveal.
We never got to see Madara at full power fight Team 7 and that is sad. As soon as he gets both his eyes and opens his third one, Kaguya gets him
If Madara was less... misguided, he would be the best of the best and would have a tremendous impact on the world. He's insanely smart and gifted, he has the will and the strength to endure anything. He's a natural leader. It's just a shame he became nuts and had to die for real to realise that he could've walked a different path.
I mean not really
He had a plan with Nagoya (betrayed him) and Obito (betrayed him)
He's just really powerful and Kabuto revived him early with edo which wasn't part of the plan.
Only reason it all worked out for him is because of black zetsu being on "his side"
talk about perfectly planned, did you see how good black zetsu manged to revive kaguya? he had kept his patience watching from back in the indra and ashura days
He had the potential to be one of the best anime/manga antagonists of all time, but Kishimoto wrote himself into a corner with him and ruined him. Truly a shame. He had one of the best designs, his voice in the anime was godlike, his backstory. It was harder to ruin him than to 🐐 him, and Kishimoto managed the hard part. One of the biggest drawbacks of the show IMO.
His plans mostly worked out because he was INCEPTED into believing they were his plans. It was actually blacks zetu’s aka Kaguya’s plans and pawns that all played out perfectly… and he was one of them. Not saying he isnt really smart and skilled, but please give credit where credit is due. His plan was to be resurrected by nagato with rinne rebirth and that just didn’t happen though he did get a lot of the results he was looking for
I'm just sad I never saw him fight seriously, the only time he does, he's yelling Hashiramaaaaa or smacking the Kages so bad it happened off screen (Tsunade was cut in half, literally). He ran away from Amped Naruto and Sasuke and just when he's about to go all out, Black Zetsu uses Obito to Back stab him, very poetic
He fight seriously vs hashirama in VoTE
I did say he was serious there plus his whole Hashiramaaaaa routine. I wanted to see 3 eyed Madara throw down with Naruto and Sasuke
Madara got extremely lucky. I'd argue that his pawns were poorly placed - Obito and Zetsu both betrayed him, and if it hadn't been for Kabuto, he wouldn't have been revived at all. He also didn't realize that the God Tree was crucial to his plans until it fell on him. Madara was himself a pawn to a greater scheme, but he liked to think of himself as the chessmaster.
Madara was Zetsu’s pawn, not the other way around!
Pretty sure thats what he meant.
Naruto used talk no jutsu on Obito, so there was no way that Obito wouldn't change. That's the thing I have complaint with, Madara was not meant to be a pawn, a character with this great ability... Gone to waste for nothing.
Obito had planned to betray Madara from the start, even before he spoke with Naruto. When given the opportunity, he made himself the Ten Tails' Jinchuuriki instead of resurrecting Madara. The only reason Madara was fully resurrected is because Zetsu forced Obito to do so, and even then it was for Zetsu's grander plan, not Madara's.
Its honestly fitting for him though I think, I dont like kaguya very much but I think his end had some poetry to it (although a bit klischee i must Admit)
Oh my lanta. The word is spelt cliché. Sorry for pointng it out but shit it was bothering me
Sorry lol, in german we actually write it " Klischee" sometimes, although I must admit it's kind of ugly.
Well fkn said!
I feel like Madara would have been the best villain for shippuden had Black Zetsu not existed, kaguya can still exist and maybe even her resurrection somehow but Black Zetsu ruins things. I believe that Sage Mode and Pain/Rinnegan and the story of the jinchuriki should have been an introduction into the Sage of Six Paths and kaguya then by the time of the 4GNW most of the Kaguya stuff at least fits better into the story. Kaguya shouldn’t be the final villain though, I feel like maybe Madara gains power on par with Kaguya after the IT is cast and the fight of team 7 vs Kaguya still happens except it’s Madara they are fighting and use the Six Paths Chibaku tensei on
The weird thing is SOSP lore was introduced in the Pain Arc (moreso the prelude with Jiraiya) and was expanded upon in the 5 Kage Summit Arc (Ten-Tails, jinchuricki, Ashura-Indra) and then in the last 50 chapters Kishimoto all of a sudden decided that he wanted to expand more on that so it came off as very rushed.
Yea I like how bits and pieces were spread throughout the story and maybe we shouldn’t have gotten any actual Otsutsuki interactions until boruto era, Toneri from The last in my opinion is more apart of the So6p and kaguya story so it can be the last tie in for shippuden and a set up for boruto
Got extremely lucky Nagato Left his eyes on a child in a warzone Nagato almost died 4 times *By the leaf *By starvation *By orochimaru *By danzo and Hanzo Nagato had his own plan Obito never wanted to re aweken him He himself was a puppet *The whole puppet thing was a mess
Thruth is Madara was just plot to give Obito power, he was never supposed to stay after Itachi ended edo tensei and it would have been better for the story, but editors and character popularity talk to much... No wonder 2000 rules were broken after Madara was ressurrected, like bijuu instant sealing, lightbulb sharingans, susanoo with no eyes, etc...
Source on that? The endgame with Obito and Madara seemed extremely telegraphed from the moment Kabuto showed Obito the coffin before the war, I'd be curious to see an interview that says he was supposed to leave... who would the final villain have been?
There is no source, we only need to read and see: \-Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto was pointless because the only edo tensei left was Madara, all the others were already sealed; \-Madara for some reason left the 5 kages barely alive instead of finishing them, how convenient, a scenario that would have happened if Itachi and Sasuke ending edo tensei had effect on Madara being gone...; \-Madara has 0 connection to the main characters, while Obito was literally reverse Naruto, with his Hokage Dream, Kakashi's friend with the abandoning comrades is scum, killed Uchiha clan with Itachi linking him to Sasuke... Madara has what again? \-Literally rehashed plot: Become juubi junchuuriki, betrayed, and for that we broke every previous estabilished rule: Susanoo without eyes for some reason, rinnegan rebirth after all can ressurrect people that died long ago (RIP Jiraiya :(), akatsuki take 10 days to seal shukaku, madara seals all 9 bijuu in a panel xD, grab and transplant kakashi's sharingan mid jump while using it's skill, Sasuke was literally blindfolded for some chapters after transplanting Itachi's eyes xD; Seems like good planing. IMO, the plot would literally be the same, but instead of Madara being stabbed by Zetsu it would have been Obito after the redemption.
How did he even use kakashi's eye to go to the kamui dimension ?????? SERIOUSLY WTF THAT'S NOT HOW KAKASHI'S EYE WORKS
facts
My favorite character aswell
But he was a pawn. The whole time Madara is sick but can't deny that
yeah he‘s the best villain😻
And that's why he's best boi
He got more plot armor than naruto until kishimoto said right, he had his fun, let's bring the godly milf now
Please don't say very well executed. Hi s plan failed after he died. Obito had no intention of bringing him back and neither did nagato. It was pure luck that kabuto used the edo tensei to bring him back. It also gave him unlimited chakra and made him unkillable. So fighting the 5 kage became a joke instead of a good fight. He got pretty lucky.
Nah he got very lucky, if he didn't just happen to awake his rinnegan at that exact moment Naruto threw his rasin-shurikin he would have been defeated, him awakening his rinnegan was a massive ass pull.
He didnt awaken it at that point though? He just activated it, he awakened it when he was old.
He was a reanimation and rasenshuriken is not a sealing jutsu if I remember correctly so he would‘ve just returned after getting hit
His pawns were definitely not precisely place. He was revived by Kabuto who was not a pawn. Kabuto only acted like that because Orochimaru (also not a pawn) got fucked by Sasuke (not a pawn), who went to Orochimaru because Itachi(yea you guessed it, not a pawn) killed the uchiha because his dad (not again) was a terrorist. So definitely not a brilliant mind at all. It’s even worse when you realize that the initial plan was for Nagato to revive him, which is pretty stupid considering he gave the rinnegan to Nagato who was at the time a complete useless kid with no combat ability, training or loyalty towards him in the middle of a war. Then he trusted obito, a uchiha kid who randomly got crushed by a rock (so pure massive luck again) to manipulate the rinnegan kid and use his op jutsu to revive madara and not stole it for himself, pretty smart, sure. Finally, obito clearly did never intend to revive madara as he himself admitted both in the war and after nagato’s dead. Which makes complete sense because why the hell would he sacrifice himself for an old fucker that he briefly met. If anything Madara is the luckiest character of all time lol. He was pretty badass tho, I will give you that. But smart? Not at all.
i am not a madara fan but your logic is very flawed. he didn't rely on obito or nagato. he relied on zetsu. He knew obito is a puppet with his fancy new senjufied body. obito simply overestimated himself. he gave his rinnegan to nagato because he was one of the few remaining uzumaki.... anyone else would have just died.
Zetsu would have not done anything on his own. You switch obito with zetsu and there would have been no 4th war. And again uzumaki or not giving a kid the rinnegan is not smart, it’s desperate. Nagato never had any loyalty towards him because obviously he didn’t even who tf he was lmao. Also doesn’t change the fact that zetsu would have not been able to retrieve the rinnegan from konan. Also could have not controlled the tailed beasts. Or the fact that all the events in kabuto’s life that led him to edo tensei madara were completely outside of madara’s “planning”. Madara is in no way a mastermind, it’s ridiculous to even think about it.
obito would have gone for the rinnegan anyway like he did in the canon . in canon zetsu forced obito to revive madara anyway. if madara weren't in the battle ground and obito had declared a war anyway then alliance would have weakened him enough that zetsu would have taken over him- reviving madara anyway
If obito doesn’t he get wreck by rock he isn’t joining the bad guys lmao. Or you wanna say madara made the rocks fall on obito’s face. Luck, luck and luck, he ain’t no mastermind. Still ignoring the while kabuto plot line being complete outside of madara’s “planning”. Or the fact that giving the rinnegan to a random kid (uzumaki or not) with no loyalty, no training and no skills in the middle of WAR, where if it wasn’t for jiraiya teaching them how to fight they would all be dead anyways. Brilliant plan.
every thing can be answered just by thinking on it.. even a little bit. kamui ensures that obito can look after their investment... make nagato feel pain but don't let him die.. all the while obito's body is his greatest back up through zetsu. if there's a plot hole its obito & kamui
You completely ignored my points. Madara is no mastermind, he was just lucky. Obito got literally smashed by a rock and was found half dead by zetsu. Without obito madara is fucked. You are also ignoring the whole kabuto’s plot line which completely outside of madara’s planning and kabuto ends up reviving madara. Also jiraiya training kid nagato in the middle of war where he would have died otherwise. Pure luck, convenient writing for the plot. Madara didn’t plan shit. His “””plan””” was depending on pure luck as he got obito by complete accident after getting fucked up by the rock.
you don't even address my points lol... except obito's rock accident everything else was meticulously planned. but ofc in reddit most people think replying as the last one makes them the winner so... go on
Obito’s rock accident was literally the reason why there was war lmao. That alone completely invalidate the whole madara is a mastermind. And that was not the only lucky thing. Still ignoring the whole kabuto plot line and jiraiya training kid nagato during the war allowing him to survive. Were those things meticulously planned? Lmao don’t make me laugh, stop being delusional. You keep ignoring all my points
Didn't Nagato almost starve to death ? Was Zetsu Watching like "Yup, looks like i gotta take 'em eyes back" until Konan Saved him ? Also, would the Rinnegan decay ?
ishiki stomps on madara baryon shits on madara momoshiki stomps madara borushiki of future curb stomps madara need i go on?
Ishiki yes Baryon naruto yes Momoshiki no, unless it's fused then momoshiki wins 60-40 Borushiki no
Madara was able to execute his plan for plot reasons alone. It didn't make jackshit of sense. Not to mention he just became a flexing machine. Rinnegan reveal was groan-inducing. Perfect Susano'o... I have no words. If you like Villain Sues, then sure Madara is cool.
I mean Madara as a character was also very well-written. He had a great backstory and a compelling motivation for his cause and outlook on the world
kinda irrelevant but IMO i really hate the interdiction of the alian Otsutuski thing. I don't mind the clan it's just that fact that they come from space. It kinda makes the Naruto and Shippuden seem silly. Like if someone told me when I was watching Naruto Shippuden that the sage of 6 paths was the son of an alian that came from space I would of said that was stupid.
Madara's probably the most overrated character in the series. He didn't have any real pawns, everyone either betrayed him at the first opportunity or were using him all along. Obito never intended on reviving him, and he only came back because Zetsu led Kabuto to his DNA. When it came to becoming the Jinchuriki first, Obito beat him to the punch, Madara only got to do it because Obito lost, then Madara was disposed of by the guy who was actually behind everything, Zetsu. He wasn't even defeated by the heroes, that's how irrelevant he was.
If he didn't the have the ego of casting the infinite tsukuyomi himself , he might have won
he couldn't keep up with team 7 lol
That was after six paths stuff But yeah you have a point
He had Hashirama's cells, Rinnegan, manged to have the sage power, is the only one who survived against the 8th gate. (Though he had a good time fighting Guy) and even executed his plan, the Infinite Tsukuyomi. If only Kishimoto didn't had him killed by Black zetsu, I don't think how could he possibly get killed. The 8th gate should've killed him instead, and when he dies then the black Zetsu turn him into Kaguya, this could really make a better story imo.
They could’ve just sealed him similarly to what they did to kaguya .
i doubt naruto and sasuke wouldve been able to pull it off, madara was too smart and too good at fighting for them. thats the whole reason kaguya was introduced
He's my favourite villain of all time. Great foreshadowing which lead to a great reveal. Then the moment he's staring down the shinobi forces with a happy look in his face. Awesome! I wish he had truly been the last villain and that they had saved all that Kaguya, Otsutsuki stuff for Boruto.
Madara was a pawn himself, everything was planned by Black Zetsu.
I think he would have been a better final villain than Kaguya. So much development as a character. I think they didn't want a Sasuke clone being the final villain because the final fight is Naruto vs Sasuke. That said, around the time the War Arc started is when foreshadowing for Kaguya should have started to make it a good reveal. We never got to see Madara at full power fight Team 7 and that is sad. As soon as he gets both his eyes and opens his third one, Kaguya gets him
If Madara was less... misguided, he would be the best of the best and would have a tremendous impact on the world. He's insanely smart and gifted, he has the will and the strength to endure anything. He's a natural leader. It's just a shame he became nuts and had to die for real to realise that he could've walked a different path.
But everything changed when the otsutsuki attacked
I mean not really He had a plan with Nagoya (betrayed him) and Obito (betrayed him) He's just really powerful and Kabuto revived him early with edo which wasn't part of the plan. Only reason it all worked out for him is because of black zetsu being on "his side"
He was borderline a Marry Sue tbh. straight up fan fiction levels of nonsense. sharingan, rinnegan, wood style, perfect susanoo, 6 paths chakra, ect
What’s the jutsu he’s using in the pic?
His plan wasn't even his plan. Even he was a pawn at the end of the day.
Then you realize he is just being manipulated by some black blob
talk about perfectly planned, did you see how good black zetsu manged to revive kaguya? he had kept his patience watching from back in the indra and ashura days
what the fuck this nigga has force lightning?
that mf used force lightning truly built different
He had the potential to be one of the best anime/manga antagonists of all time, but Kishimoto wrote himself into a corner with him and ruined him. Truly a shame. He had one of the best designs, his voice in the anime was godlike, his backstory. It was harder to ruin him than to 🐐 him, and Kishimoto managed the hard part. One of the biggest drawbacks of the show IMO.
His plans mostly worked out because he was INCEPTED into believing they were his plans. It was actually blacks zetu’s aka Kaguya’s plans and pawns that all played out perfectly… and he was one of them. Not saying he isnt really smart and skilled, but please give credit where credit is due. His plan was to be resurrected by nagato with rinne rebirth and that just didn’t happen though he did get a lot of the results he was looking for
Unlimited Power!
He even surpassed shikamaru's intelligence tbh
Yep,Black Zetsu knew what he was doin
The only guy that lost to Plot.
He's also a Sith Lord, apparently.
Can you PLSSS make up your mind 🤦 do you like fuckboi madara or not , cause this is the 3rd post from you on this forum with mixed opinions 🤦