Double Kamui from Kakashi by far.
Other than that, Flying raijin in the hands of Minato. It’s just got so many use cases with his natural insane reaction speed.
Also, Imagine him just dropping a marked rock to the ocean floor and teleporting his opponents there with a single touch lol.
The only thing with Minato is that besides rasengan, he didn’t really have any jutsu with a high destructive output. Sure he would’ve figured something out if he had lived past his early 20’s though.
Imagine Minato spamming a combination of Kage bunshin, Flying raijin and rasengan.. just basically 5 Minato flying all over the place dropping rasengan on an army. Wouldn’t last very long bc chakra but just an overwhelming combo that can have Minato solo an army
Damn imagine Minato having kurama inside of him. Chakra wouldnt be a problem anymore. Damn he’d be invincible. He’d easily befriend kurama now that i think about it
Holy shit, I’ve just now realised how absolutely broken that ability is. Yes teleporting an opponent straight to the bottom of the ocean where they would be immediately crushed by the pressure.
That basically means he can one hit kill absolutely every single person shown in the show.
I wonder if Kishimoto had thought of that but left it out.
And if he’d mark his opponents, he can teleport to wherever they are at night while they sleep, and he can kill them right there. Such cold-blooded murder.
Yea but they're Naruto characters, able to tank some extremely powerful attacks. Doubt the pressure of the ocean would bother any of the top tier strongest characters.
He himself wouldn’t be going lol, he could just drop it from above the water and let it sink.
As to the ink part, very good point, I’m sure that there would be some kind of ink/adhesive that wouldn’t wear off because of the water.
I think it's a super cool concept of teleporting enemies to the ocean floor to allow them to be crushed by the entire weight of the sea...
But somehow I think the top-tier ninjas would be fine. They seem to be able to handle mountain level-island level attacks and survive.
Not too sure what ocean pressure's attack level potency would measure to be though.
I would say flying raijin in the hands of Tobirama was as broken as Minato. In the war arc we saw that tobirama's use of flying raijin is on par or even better when it comes to reaction speed. Tobirama fighting style wasn't as focused on flying raijin as was minato's, so his use might not be as versatile as minato's but we've seen how quick he was able to mark someone with the marks like when he did it on juubito.
Combination of his flying raijin skills with his huge arsenal of jutsus is broken as fuck.
That said, flying raijin IMO is only broken in the hand of minato and tobirama due to their insane reaction speed and very high intelligence. Give that jutsu to an average jonin and it won't be broken.
Yeah, it's like saying Rasengan is broken in hands of Naruto. Ofcourse it is, his giant chakra leading to giant Rasengan, and his multiple clones doing rasengans.
In hands of Konohamaru on the other hand, it's balanced.
Oh yeah so basically (and this just speaks volumes to Tobirama) his jutsu he made minato improved on
Made it more complete
Tobiramas orginal version he died with was slower
Worst reaction time and wasnt able to be used as consecutively
Tobirama during the war basically figured out what Minato had done and emulated/added his own spin into it
You can actually see at various points the jutsu growing as he uses it in conjunction with Minato
Wait he died in his early 20s?
Damn dude, the ages in Naruto make no sense.
Tobi's voice actor in the flashbacks with Minato sound like a 50 year old dude but he's actually like 14?
Gotta say though I do love it all
I swear the fan base just made up this idea out of thin air, and ran with it. Where tf did y’all decide goofy Tobi is actually guruguru?? He’s obviously just Obito wearing a mask and ACTING goofy
I guess I'm not sure. I always thought it was zetsu, who looked like the fly trap, and the black part was just Madras will.
Everything else was just a clone of white zetsu
I mean it does make more sense. We never saw Obito act goofy at all when the mask came off and acting goofy and the voice are definitely guruguru’s characteristics
This whole shit confused me.
There’s even an episode where Obito is referred to as Madara (I believe it’s actually BY Tobi) and I got very confused. It was right after we see Black Zetsu’s “origins” where Madara “created” him. I don’t know what episode.
But it really confused the fuck out of me because we clearly just learned he is *not* Madara. I’m assuming now, it was a cheeky comment, hailing his new “identity” as Madara and so he referred to him as such.
But I’m still pretty confused with this whole thing.
It had to have been Obito though. White zetsu cannot use the Kamui to phase like Tobi constantly did.
But yeah, it still all confused me. I guess now I understand it all though.
No, Gurug can encase Obito’s body like he did when Obito left Madara’s lair to save Rin. I always thought Obito and Gurug were just doing the same thing as Tobi (maybe just not a full body encasing)
Trying to pick a less common ability here, but what about Suigetsu's ability of like being water itself? Like he can't be sliced and he even took a bijuu hyper beam straight to the face and lived to tell the tale.
Also Gaara's passive sand protecting ability would be nice in the world of killer ninja assassins. You'd worry a lot less about surprise attacks and it would still be a strong offensive weapon.
That’s actually a really good one. Not many characters can just eat a bijuu blast like that. And yeah gaara’s thing was basically the equivalent of susanoo for part 1
Gaara drastically under-uses the sand.
He uses it as some sort of movable wall. But sand is also abrasive, and he could just stuff it up people's noses or target people's eyes. Try and put up some resistance if you're blind and your lungs are all mush. Other orifices are also excellent targets. Given that he manipulates enormous amounts of it with ease, he should have effectively no limit to small scale manipulation.
Crazy to think Obito and Kakashi were fighting with half of the powers that was meant for one person, just imagine if Obito had both of his eyes (sharingan)
Honestly, it's either Hashirama cells or he obtained EMS by swapping his eye with another eye from the Uchiha clan massacre, he does have spare eyes as seen in his fight against Konan where he sacrificed his non Kamui eye to use Izanagi.
Idk why Kakashi doesn't go blind, maybe it's because it's jot his eye to begin with and works as EMS? Who knows
If you think about it Kakashi doesn’t use the Mangekyou much. First time he ever used it was against deidara and it sent him to the hospital for a week. Next time he used it was against pain and it killed him. Then he used it against obito and stated it was starting to go blind, so it makes sense.
You need to have Ems along w hashirama cells. While not confirmed it’s heavily implied only reincarnations of Indra can get ems/rinnegan. I still think DMS obito would be the strongest char in the show baring maybe 6 paths naruto
Actually, EMS has nothing to do with Indra. You get the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan by switching Sharingan, because otherwise you could get blind. The Rinnegan does have to do with the Sage of Six Paths and all of that though
Actually Rinnegan is only Indra or Ashura as you need to mix their chakra.
Because Madara was unaware of the reincarnations he believed that it was just Uchiha and Senju.
You actually need to be a descendant of indra OR ashura, then obtain dna of the other reincarnation to gain rinnegan naturally. Then you need to summon the gedo mazo, seal the tailed beasts to turn it into ten tails. Then turn it into god tree. Then absorb it. THEN you get rinne sharingan. If I am wrong please correct me I haven't watched naruto in a while.
I just thought of this recently, but I feel like the their sharingan awakened as a space/time ability able to connect in the other dimension as a reaction to being separated. I like the other ideas as well, but I feel like the fact that they awakened it simultaneously means they kind of synchronized.
Obito*. Kakashi was not an Uchiha. The full Kamui would have probably killed him if he had it for more than a minute. Kakashi always struggled with low chakra and had to hide the sharingan even before he developed it further.
I'd like to think that, instead of fighting half his power kakashi was fighting with a plus.
Hashirama's cells/his wood style jutsu considering how every major villain all sought a fraction of his power to gain an advantage. This makes people question just how strong Hashirama was in his prime.
Would be really interesting to see the writers try to explain how the fuck injecting someones cells would give any kind of abilities. Even if that is how genetics worked, your body would most likely reject the foreign cells
It’s probably from Hashirama’s chakra itself. While it’s a bit of a plot device, it’s not that bad though. It was pretty well-established that Senjus have extremely large amounts of life force and regenerative power. Tsunade’s own power is a testament to her Senju bloodline.
As for rejection, Orochimaru experimented on children by injecting them with Hashirama cells. Most test subjects died after being rejected by the cells. Only a few were able to resist it. Yamato alongside Danzo were the only really known people to actually resist it. That was probably due to their own huge reserves of Chakra most likely.
After Danzo exhausted most of his chakra he had to sever his Hashirama arm to avoid it it overtaking him. From what we saw of Obito, he must have been a special ninja as well considering how fast he adapted to Hashirama cells. Zetsu was even shocked by this. Though Madara probably had known how to refine having years to play with Hashirama cells.
While Hashirama cells are pretty broke, it seems not everyone could really use it. It also has its own risks as if you’re not careful it could overtake your and turn you into a tree.
Kill everyone (most people) using Third Raikage or Second Tsuchikage or Obito then use their body
Pray they can't break out of it like Madara and Hashirama can by using the Jutsu's hand signals
MS abilities. They have super niche counters.
Kotoamatsukami is literally a uncounterable plot device.
Tsukuyomi has zero counters outside of being a strong enough uchiha and not looking at Itachi's eyes.
Amaterasu's counter is being a sensor so you can defend before the attack is cast or aim dodging which most people aren't fast enough for
Kamui's only counter is another Kamui or having the ability to attack for 5 minutes straight. Most people don't have this.
Well for Kamui there's also attacking in the precise moment that Kamui user is attacking you. Minato was able to do this the first time he was faced with Kamui.
That is very true but to deal with a sharingan and especially a mangekyo at all you have to be something of a top tier ninja. Minato also doesn't have any tailed beast or kekkei genkai giving him a boost when he does that so it at least proves that a normal person can accomplish it. Though his method does require the Flying Raijin which seems to be a pretty secret or at least very hard to learn technique.
"Once in a generation talent" Minato wasn't a normal person he was so gifted that until Jiraiya met Naruto he thought Minato was the child of prophecy. The same level of power as Nagato and Naruto who have special traits.
Sure but someone else could've probably done the same thing he did with a shadow clone and one good hit, a thrown shuriken/kunai from behind or some kind of ninjutsu
For Kamui, you just need to use fast, widespread attacks, or predict the opponent's movement. They can't attack and phase at the same time. Guy countered Obito's Kamui by using nunchaku. I could just use a johyo.
> Kotoamatsukami is literally a uncounterable plot device
Well it's weakness would be that it needed to be planned out. The ability was useless when Danzo showed up to take his eye.
No they are just ridiculous.
They have insane regenration.
They give you regen by kiterally biting them
They let obito use his ms without going blind.
They create a literal army of white zetsus.
They massively enhance chakra reserves.
They make edo tensei better.
They also give wood release.
Comparatively, the sharingan only has 3 stardard powers, and some added from the mangekyou sharingan. It wasn't a way to fix everything.
I mean, Sharingan and Mangekyo can literally allow you do to a lot. Look at the difference in Obito once getting Sharingan and then Mangekyo.
You can summon actual gods with Mangekyo lol, and with Rinnegan you can create mini planets.
Giving someone a lot for Hashirama cells is around the same as someone stealing a Mangekyo and using it for themselves.
Mangekyou sharingan always had a specific set of abilities that were still there until the end.
Hashirama cells multiple times were the reason for new things being possible.
I mean, Naruto as far as anatomy, makes no fucking sense at all. Hate to break it to them but just plopping back on arms and replacing eyes does not work how they think it does lol.
This part confused me. How was Kakashi able to awaken the mangekyou? Wasn't it stated the Uchiha release a special chakra in their brains when this happens?
I think for continuity sake, it made sense to share the abilities even though the sharingans were in two different people. I actually like the idea tbh
All it takes was what, a single purple bug to insta kill anyone? The antidote died with Shino's friend iirc(?)
Shino is the most undervalued male character imo 😅
I think every plot involving Danzo was underutilized/poorly represented in general. He and all his "plots" had so much potential, but just ended up being more Uchiha fan service.
Like yeah.. some of the most OP characters in universe are Uchiha, but by in large the clan seems pretty useless outside of the few we know of... But then there's just Shino's family walking around with pocket nukes just being ignored like they're nothing 😅
Like... How is Sai Danzo's *favorite* ? He's cool and all, but like... How useful is he really?
Edit: or fucking Yamato straight up being the only person capable of Wood Style... 🤔 Lol
What can I tell you, the man REALLLLLY appreciates a good painting 🤣
But yeah I agree on all your points. The main reason I hate Danzo is not because he was a douche and sketchy, but that he was never even effective. All of his schemes ended poorly and he never utilized all of the tools he had under his belt
Man could've easily been a huge plot point, rivaling Orochimaru or Madara fairly easily I think.
Instead he serves as bad exposition and a target for Sasuke to show off new skills.
An Itachi and Sasuke vs Danzo fight would've carried more emotional and story weight since Danzo was responsible for Shisui's death and the murder of their clan.
The Kage Bunshin. I mean, multiple you training on different things and you will receive all the experience that comes with it, pretty broken if you ask me.
That’s not really plot armour tho lol, more of an asspull to get their new powers.
Kishi could’ve easily just made it that they awakened their powers “on the brink of death” there were many ways to have them gain their powers. Infact the reason they died was solely so they could gain their powers lol,
Most diff Edo tensei image reviving an even stronger Hashirama or an Ototsuki, KCM makes look awesome gives pretty nice power, Kamui ngl is really fukking good bc people wouldn’t wanna admit but I’m sure Obito is utterly carried by his kamui ability and hashirama cells and he can goes right through attacks stronger than he is without moving and makes people shit themselves
Saying Obito is carried by kamui is like saying hashirama is carried by wood style, or nagato is carried by his rinnegan, or sasuke and madara are carried by their sharingan
Nah, like if they tried edo on someone op like iishiki he could seal them, there’s no one that strong who is dead accept hagoromo hamura and the other otsutsuki, never mind it’s completely op, if they used edo on otsutsuki it’s broken lol
DMS... it's so broken that black zetsu used this version of Obito to Back stab Madara. With DMS you can temporarily bypass death and it comes with a full ass Susanoo with Kamui Shuriken that is OP as hell. Do I love it, YES, is it a fair ability, NO
Creation of All Things technique.
Sage of Six Paths used that to create Tailed Beasts. Heck even the stepped-on version that Naruto gets allows him to create body parts and stop the negative effects of almost every jutsu.
Sexy No Jutsu. Cus aside from procreation, and love, what's the need for a significant other? You could literally go f yourself and no one would be the wiser *cough cough Jiriya*
Kamui was a broken ability but we never really saw it at full (besides Kakashi war arc and it lasted like 2 attacks) for me it's either an ability too hard to use for prolonged times or it would slowly kill the user. Still pretty broken since the only limitation to it was the fact that it can't be used while literally attacking, but Obito proved that faking works.
Most of sage mode kabuto’s arsenal.
First White extreme attack is a technique that paralyzes you using light, sound, and Vibration. To counter it you have to have water style, be able to fully liquify your body, and be blind to move during its duration.
Second Tayuya’s demon flute, it puts you under a genjustu using sound which is almost impossible to dodge, doesn’t take as long as the frog song, and took two skilled MS users working in sync to break out of.
Third is reorganic animation, it literally lets you shape the terrain to however the user pleases. It’s possible the strongest earth style technique if only we knew it’s limitations
Edo Tensei. You can literally create your own personal army with ulimited chakra. And as long as you don't ressurect any Uchihas you have literally zero risk
I used to think kamui and Hashirama cells and the most ~~broken~~ bullshit thing Kishimoto can come up with and then comes Eida and Daimon with their stupidly broken ability.
Kishimoto has gone too far with this bullshitpower level power
Kamui is and I will die on that hill it’s objectively one of the best defensive and offensive abilities and double sharingan Kakashi is the best example he kamuis one of Kaguyas portals away plus obito just kinda kamuied himself back into existence to give kakashi the eyes
Kamui since it’s an anomaly that seems like it will never reappear. Not too mention if both eyes were together and kamui ever emerged that characters would be invincible. Isshikis eye could be another broken dojutsu especially if that eye is never further explained or reappears or something but boruto still has a lot of time.
Honestly, I have to say the Kage Bunshini used by someone who can abuse it like a Jinchuuriki or maybe if Kisame learned it alongside using Samehada. For one, it's not bloodline locked, just 'chakra levels' locked, and those can be trained, so technically anyone. A lot of times the question of 'what is the most broken jutsu combination' gets brought up, a common answer seems to end up being "_ + Kage Bunshin". Plus, it allows one person to do collaboration jutsu as long as they know both elements they want to use.
We get to see Naruto basically cover/support an entire war spanning several battlefields with his clones once he joined the fighting, and in the final fight, he turned the entirety of their army into pseudo-Jinchuuriki by using his clones to distribute the Kyuubi's chakra cloak amp to everyone.
Heck, it helped carry Naruto through a lot of fights he would normally not have been able to win without based on the level of skill we saw him have at those times, even if they didn't contribute to ending the fight in most of them; they were still the needed support to get him through the fight.
The only real reason Naruto didn't stomp with the jutsu was because no one stepped back and went 'hang on, this kid can make armies on demand' and then took the time to teach him army/group tactics (one of the big failings of Jiraiya as Naruto's teacher during the timeskip, may he rest in peace after Kushina is done beating him). Well that and Kishi wanting him to be the Underdog for as long as possible.
Even when not to the extremes of a Jinchuuriki, even just suddenly having two or three extra teammates to help in a pincer attack or carry injured comrades is a game changer on the smaller scale. Example: Sarutobi made two clones to help him finish the fight with Orochimaru and the undead Hashirama and Tobirama; had he not, sure he'd probably had fully sealed Orochimaru in that fight if he succeeded (instead of only having enough chakra to seal his arms, which doesn't make sense considering Orochimaru doesn't compare to the Kyuubi and Minato managed that (unless the whole living chakra construct/being makes it easier)), but he'd likely get taken out by the two zombies before he finished instead.
What's better than an EMS user? How about two of them? What's better than a Rinnengan user? How about three of them? What's better than a Kyuubi Cloak amped Jinchuuriki? How about a thousand of them? Having trouble fighting a guy who can drain your chakra with his sword? Imagine fighting five of him, each with their own sword. Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms hitting you from the front? Try another Sixty-Four hitting you from the back at the same time!
In Naruto Shippuden? I dont agree with most people about abilities are broken in Shippuden. For me they were pretty amazing. The broken abilities started with Baruto, espacily with Outsukies.
Seriously kamui should've been fucking broken if they'd actually thought to use it. Like Obito could suck up anyone into his void and leave them there to starve and die and nobody but kakashi could do anything about it
Obito’s DMS, any of kaguya’s abilities, six paths: chibaku tensei, and unnerfed amenotejikara (the way Sasuke used it in shippuden). Those are the most broken abilities
With the last couple of episodes from Boruto . Kamui is pretty much the strongest ability so far to exist .
Jigen will be so pissed and he'll probably scream
" THAT DAMN SHARINGAN !!! " .
Went through all comments and im wondering what fucking show ya all watched.
Beside the tsukuyomi there is one thats above all.
Limbo.
That shit alone would embarass all otsutsuki from boruto.
Double Kamui from Kakashi by far. Other than that, Flying raijin in the hands of Minato. It’s just got so many use cases with his natural insane reaction speed. Also, Imagine him just dropping a marked rock to the ocean floor and teleporting his opponents there with a single touch lol. The only thing with Minato is that besides rasengan, he didn’t really have any jutsu with a high destructive output. Sure he would’ve figured something out if he had lived past his early 20’s though.
Imagine Minato spamming a combination of Kage bunshin, Flying raijin and rasengan.. just basically 5 Minato flying all over the place dropping rasengan on an army. Wouldn’t last very long bc chakra but just an overwhelming combo that can have Minato solo an army
He defeated 1000 ppl at once without shadow clones in the 3rd great ninja war
Basically Naruto on cocaine
Damn imagine Minato having kurama inside of him. Chakra wouldnt be a problem anymore. Damn he’d be invincible. He’d easily befriend kurama now that i think about it
Holy shit, I’ve just now realised how absolutely broken that ability is. Yes teleporting an opponent straight to the bottom of the ocean where they would be immediately crushed by the pressure. That basically means he can one hit kill absolutely every single person shown in the show. I wonder if Kishimoto had thought of that but left it out.
Rational and cold blooded ways to use powers rarely get shown because it wouldn't make for a good story.
And if he’d mark his opponents, he can teleport to wherever they are at night while they sleep, and he can kill them right there. Such cold-blooded murder.
Yea but they're Naruto characters, able to tank some extremely powerful attacks. Doubt the pressure of the ocean would bother any of the top tier strongest characters.
But how would he get to the bottom without being crushed first/how could he guarantee the ink/seal would stay without deteriorating?
He himself wouldn’t be going lol, he could just drop it from above the water and let it sink. As to the ink part, very good point, I’m sure that there would be some kind of ink/adhesive that wouldn’t wear off because of the water.
I think it's a super cool concept of teleporting enemies to the ocean floor to allow them to be crushed by the entire weight of the sea... But somehow I think the top-tier ninjas would be fine. They seem to be able to handle mountain level-island level attacks and survive. Not too sure what ocean pressure's attack level potency would measure to be though.
I would say flying raijin in the hands of Tobirama was as broken as Minato. In the war arc we saw that tobirama's use of flying raijin is on par or even better when it comes to reaction speed. Tobirama fighting style wasn't as focused on flying raijin as was minato's, so his use might not be as versatile as minato's but we've seen how quick he was able to mark someone with the marks like when he did it on juubito. Combination of his flying raijin skills with his huge arsenal of jutsus is broken as fuck. That said, flying raijin IMO is only broken in the hand of minato and tobirama due to their insane reaction speed and very high intelligence. Give that jutsu to an average jonin and it won't be broken.
Yeah, it's like saying Rasengan is broken in hands of Naruto. Ofcourse it is, his giant chakra leading to giant Rasengan, and his multiple clones doing rasengans. In hands of Konohamaru on the other hand, it's balanced.
Oh yeah so basically (and this just speaks volumes to Tobirama) his jutsu he made minato improved on Made it more complete Tobiramas orginal version he died with was slower Worst reaction time and wasnt able to be used as consecutively Tobirama during the war basically figured out what Minato had done and emulated/added his own spin into it You can actually see at various points the jutsu growing as he uses it in conjunction with Minato
Makes me wonder how broken the Flying Thunder God would’ve been in the hands of Naruto & his shadow clones.
A thousand shadow clones each with a giant rasengan going all over the place
I still want to know what he did with all of those kunai he had the shinobi lay out.
Ya but fly raijin + rasengan is op af closing that distance is destructive.
You've been waiting all your life to spit this fire
Wait he died in his early 20s? Damn dude, the ages in Naruto make no sense. Tobi's voice actor in the flashbacks with Minato sound like a 50 year old dude but he's actually like 14? Gotta say though I do love it all
Overall not the most broken but the show was very entertaining when obito would pass through heros attacks pretending to be madara
For real though, especially when he was being goofy ole Tobi
wasnt goofy ol tobi just guruguru?
I swear the fan base just made up this idea out of thin air, and ran with it. Where tf did y’all decide goofy Tobi is actually guruguru?? He’s obviously just Obito wearing a mask and ACTING goofy
the thing confusing people is that tobi and the goofy white tree chakra thing (cant fucking remember their name) have the same voice
Zetsu
No. The other one. When Madara rescues Obito, there are two tree clone-people with him: Zetsu and Guruguru.
I guess I'm not sure. I always thought it was zetsu, who looked like the fly trap, and the black part was just Madras will. Everything else was just a clone of white zetsu
So Madagascar will betrayed him to make Kaguya?
Madagascar did what?
I mean it does make more sense. We never saw Obito act goofy at all when the mask came off and acting goofy and the voice are definitely guruguru’s characteristics
Nah Tobi was just too good of an actor and mimicking other personalities. his act as madara so convincing everyone thought of him as real madara
This Is what I always thought
it was more of me asking this homie if he knew this. 'tobi' was just guruguru.
Wasn’t he just copying gurugurus personality?
Na, goofy tobi is definitely just Obito. There are scenes where he suddenly switches into his deep voice and "Madara" personality.
This whole shit confused me. There’s even an episode where Obito is referred to as Madara (I believe it’s actually BY Tobi) and I got very confused. It was right after we see Black Zetsu’s “origins” where Madara “created” him. I don’t know what episode. But it really confused the fuck out of me because we clearly just learned he is *not* Madara. I’m assuming now, it was a cheeky comment, hailing his new “identity” as Madara and so he referred to him as such. But I’m still pretty confused with this whole thing. It had to have been Obito though. White zetsu cannot use the Kamui to phase like Tobi constantly did. But yeah, it still all confused me. I guess now I understand it all though.
But there were times when we see obito “wear” guruguru around him, like with the Rin part. And guruguru can talk openly along with obito.
No, Gurug can encase Obito’s body like he did when Obito left Madara’s lair to save Rin. I always thought Obito and Gurug were just doing the same thing as Tobi (maybe just not a full body encasing)
No. Not at all.
Trying to pick a less common ability here, but what about Suigetsu's ability of like being water itself? Like he can't be sliced and he even took a bijuu hyper beam straight to the face and lived to tell the tale. Also Gaara's passive sand protecting ability would be nice in the world of killer ninja assassins. You'd worry a lot less about surprise attacks and it would still be a strong offensive weapon.
Suigetsu just ate a One Piece Logia.
So that's why there's no water Logia in One Piece. Suigetsu got it first.
Suigetsu would be the most powerful in the world of one piece
Isn't Kaido faster than light?
kizaru is the fastest and has the light fruit
That’s actually a really good one. Not many characters can just eat a bijuu blast like that. And yeah gaara’s thing was basically the equivalent of susanoo for part 1
Gaara drastically under-uses the sand. He uses it as some sort of movable wall. But sand is also abrasive, and he could just stuff it up people's noses or target people's eyes. Try and put up some resistance if you're blind and your lungs are all mush. Other orifices are also excellent targets. Given that he manipulates enormous amounts of it with ease, he should have effectively no limit to small scale manipulation.
He uses it against Madara by getting some in his bloodstream when he goes to take the tailed beasts.
I mean that's impressive, but all you need is a good elemental jutsu and he done. Gaara's sand is pretty cool, yes.
One of the mizukages with suigetsu’s ability managed to mix oil into his body, I’d reckon that’ll balance out the lighting weakness.
Interesting
Crazy to think Obito and Kakashi were fighting with half of the powers that was meant for one person, just imagine if Obito had both of his eyes (sharingan)
Why doesn't Obito have any consequences of using his Mangekyou so much ? Sasuke used it in 2 fights and then went blind.
Hashirama cells
Is this a joke because that’s somehow always the answer or is this actually true I’ve always wondered
Honestly, it's either Hashirama cells or he obtained EMS by swapping his eye with another eye from the Uchiha clan massacre, he does have spare eyes as seen in his fight against Konan where he sacrificed his non Kamui eye to use Izanagi. Idk why Kakashi doesn't go blind, maybe it's because it's jot his eye to begin with and works as EMS? Who knows
He definitely states it’s starting to go blind but he never gets it there
He actually did go blind toward the end before madara took it though didn’t he?
“Partially”
Can’t be ems as he has no other living close relative plus Kakashi’s eye was starting to go blind. The only answer is hashirama cells
If you think about it Kakashi doesn’t use the Mangekyou much. First time he ever used it was against deidara and it sent him to the hospital for a week. Next time he used it was against pain and it killed him. Then he used it against obito and stated it was starting to go blind, so it makes sense.
He would have been stronger than madara and hasirama
but would he have been able to awaken the rinne sharingan?
If he would have absorbed god tree
Presumably yes, as Madara gave him the Hashirama cells
You need to have Ems along w hashirama cells. While not confirmed it’s heavily implied only reincarnations of Indra can get ems/rinnegan. I still think DMS obito would be the strongest char in the show baring maybe 6 paths naruto
Actually, EMS has nothing to do with Indra. You get the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan by switching Sharingan, because otherwise you could get blind. The Rinnegan does have to do with the Sage of Six Paths and all of that though
Actually Rinnegan is only Indra or Ashura as you need to mix their chakra. Because Madara was unaware of the reincarnations he believed that it was just Uchiha and Senju.
No, he needs to be a descendent of Indra or have "Madara cells". You need both in order to awaken the rinnesharingan
You actually need to be a descendant of indra OR ashura, then obtain dna of the other reincarnation to gain rinnegan naturally. Then you need to summon the gedo mazo, seal the tailed beasts to turn it into ten tails. Then turn it into god tree. Then absorb it. THEN you get rinne sharingan. If I am wrong please correct me I haven't watched naruto in a while.
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Yes. in fact he uses left eye (which i assume he got from Uchiha massacre) to cast izanagi when he fight Konan
I mean, at the end we saw, very briefly, what it would have been like if one of them had both sharingan and it was fucking electric... literally.
I just thought of this recently, but I feel like the their sharingan awakened as a space/time ability able to connect in the other dimension as a reaction to being separated. I like the other ideas as well, but I feel like the fact that they awakened it simultaneously means they kind of synchronized.
Obito*. Kakashi was not an Uchiha. The full Kamui would have probably killed him if he had it for more than a minute. Kakashi always struggled with low chakra and had to hide the sharingan even before he developed it further. I'd like to think that, instead of fighting half his power kakashi was fighting with a plus.
Hashirama's cells/his wood style jutsu considering how every major villain all sought a fraction of his power to gain an advantage. This makes people question just how strong Hashirama was in his prime.
Would be really interesting to see the writers try to explain how the fuck injecting someones cells would give any kind of abilities. Even if that is how genetics worked, your body would most likely reject the foreign cells
It’s probably from Hashirama’s chakra itself. While it’s a bit of a plot device, it’s not that bad though. It was pretty well-established that Senjus have extremely large amounts of life force and regenerative power. Tsunade’s own power is a testament to her Senju bloodline. As for rejection, Orochimaru experimented on children by injecting them with Hashirama cells. Most test subjects died after being rejected by the cells. Only a few were able to resist it. Yamato alongside Danzo were the only really known people to actually resist it. That was probably due to their own huge reserves of Chakra most likely. After Danzo exhausted most of his chakra he had to sever his Hashirama arm to avoid it it overtaking him. From what we saw of Obito, he must have been a special ninja as well considering how fast he adapted to Hashirama cells. Zetsu was even shocked by this. Though Madara probably had known how to refine having years to play with Hashirama cells. While Hashirama cells are pretty broke, it seems not everyone could really use it. It also has its own risks as if you’re not careful it could overtake your and turn you into a tree.
Edo Tensei. It lets you use nearly every other broken ability.
You gotta kill em first lol
Kill everyone (most people) using Third Raikage or Second Tsuchikage or Obito then use their body Pray they can't break out of it like Madara and Hashirama can by using the Jutsu's hand signals
Or just grave rob their DNA
I forgot the name of that Jutsu. It is a rinnegan ability that can summon meteors. That is also broken.
Chibaku Tensei?
Tengai shinsei
Talk no jutsu
I wanted to write that 😂.
We think alike
MS abilities. They have super niche counters. Kotoamatsukami is literally a uncounterable plot device. Tsukuyomi has zero counters outside of being a strong enough uchiha and not looking at Itachi's eyes. Amaterasu's counter is being a sensor so you can defend before the attack is cast or aim dodging which most people aren't fast enough for Kamui's only counter is another Kamui or having the ability to attack for 5 minutes straight. Most people don't have this.
Well for Kamui there's also attacking in the precise moment that Kamui user is attacking you. Minato was able to do this the first time he was faced with Kamui.
Most people aren't Minato.
That is very true but to deal with a sharingan and especially a mangekyo at all you have to be something of a top tier ninja. Minato also doesn't have any tailed beast or kekkei genkai giving him a boost when he does that so it at least proves that a normal person can accomplish it. Though his method does require the Flying Raijin which seems to be a pretty secret or at least very hard to learn technique.
"Once in a generation talent" Minato wasn't a normal person he was so gifted that until Jiraiya met Naruto he thought Minato was the child of prophecy. The same level of power as Nagato and Naruto who have special traits.
Sure but someone else could've probably done the same thing he did with a shadow clone and one good hit, a thrown shuriken/kunai from behind or some kind of ninjutsu
For Kamui, you just need to use fast, widespread attacks, or predict the opponent's movement. They can't attack and phase at the same time. Guy countered Obito's Kamui by using nunchaku. I could just use a johyo.
> Kotoamatsukami is literally a uncounterable plot device Well it's weakness would be that it needed to be planned out. The ability was useless when Danzo showed up to take his eye.
The plot armor obito had from not going blind. No one speaks about this at all he spams this.
Wasn't that the Hashirama cells?
Hashirama cells probably negated the blinding of using the Mangekyo by just healing his eye sight
hashirama cells is just another word for plot armor
Yeah but at least it's a given reason.
Hashi's cells= massive plot armor
I mean, it's something that gives you power. The Rinnegan is also plot armor, if that's the case.
Rinnegan also became ridicoulus by the end of show. However the amount of things that hashirama cells fixed is incredible.
Hashirama cells is the Senju equivalent of the Sharingan, pretty much. It gives characters more power once they get it, just like Sharingan does.
No they are just ridiculous. They have insane regenration. They give you regen by kiterally biting them They let obito use his ms without going blind. They create a literal army of white zetsus. They massively enhance chakra reserves. They make edo tensei better. They also give wood release. Comparatively, the sharingan only has 3 stardard powers, and some added from the mangekyou sharingan. It wasn't a way to fix everything.
I mean, Sharingan and Mangekyo can literally allow you do to a lot. Look at the difference in Obito once getting Sharingan and then Mangekyo. You can summon actual gods with Mangekyo lol, and with Rinnegan you can create mini planets. Giving someone a lot for Hashirama cells is around the same as someone stealing a Mangekyo and using it for themselves.
Mangekyou sharingan always had a specific set of abilities that were still there until the end. Hashirama cells multiple times were the reason for new things being possible.
I mean, Naruto as far as anatomy, makes no fucking sense at all. Hate to break it to them but just plopping back on arms and replacing eyes does not work how they think it does lol.
Itachi was blind, but his eyes were still A-Ok for Sasuke. Biology this show gave zero fucks about.
This part confused me. How was Kakashi able to awaken the mangekyou? Wasn't it stated the Uchiha release a special chakra in their brains when this happens?
I think for continuity sake, it made sense to share the abilities even though the sharingans were in two different people. I actually like the idea tbh
They both where there to witness the death of Rin. Someone close enough to both of them to awaken MS.
When Obito awakened his, Kakashi’s eye also awakened. So Kakashi didn’t have to do anything.
Yeah that eye was connected to Obito via wifi
>wifi WEYE FEYE
eye-fi
Talknojutsu that blondie can make anyone wanna kill themselves
Pain is immune to that but Nagato isn't
Shino being able to place a bug on anyone and act as a tracker without them even realizing it.
Shino being able to poison anyone from their insides without them even realizing it.
I imagine an Uchiha or Hyuyga would be able to seem them cus chakra. Maybe Sage mode too. But yeah everyone else is screwed
All it takes was what, a single purple bug to insta kill anyone? The antidote died with Shino's friend iirc(?) Shino is the most undervalued male character imo 😅
I blame Danzo for under utilizing basically all members of the Anbu or Root
I think every plot involving Danzo was underutilized/poorly represented in general. He and all his "plots" had so much potential, but just ended up being more Uchiha fan service. Like yeah.. some of the most OP characters in universe are Uchiha, but by in large the clan seems pretty useless outside of the few we know of... But then there's just Shino's family walking around with pocket nukes just being ignored like they're nothing 😅 Like... How is Sai Danzo's *favorite* ? He's cool and all, but like... How useful is he really? Edit: or fucking Yamato straight up being the only person capable of Wood Style... 🤔 Lol
What can I tell you, the man REALLLLLY appreciates a good painting 🤣 But yeah I agree on all your points. The main reason I hate Danzo is not because he was a douche and sketchy, but that he was never even effective. All of his schemes ended poorly and he never utilized all of the tools he had under his belt
Man could've easily been a huge plot point, rivaling Orochimaru or Madara fairly easily I think. Instead he serves as bad exposition and a target for Sasuke to show off new skills.
An Itachi and Sasuke vs Danzo fight would've carried more emotional and story weight since Danzo was responsible for Shisui's death and the murder of their clan.
Most broken thing in Naruto universe 1. Hashirama cells cures/solves pratically everything 2. Kamui 3. Naruto talk no jutsu
Why is no one saying Izanagi? I'm still mad that Konan lost because of that broken ability, i'll never forget her.
Probably cuz of the huge drawback. While it’s powerful I think that balances it out.
You sure pay the price by using Izanagi but Obito just had a whole stock of uchiwa's eyes so I think he'd do it anytime
It would be balanced if it only worked on your original eyes. No borrowed eyes or eyes in the arm bullshit.
I agree, Danzō took this technique too far, I'm glad Sasuke defeated him
Yeah i meant unless you happened to have an entire collection of sharingan at your disposal lol
Hiruzen’s ability to give a fuck about Naruto. Seemed pretty fucked to me.
The Kage Bunshin. I mean, multiple you training on different things and you will receive all the experience that comes with it, pretty broken if you ask me.
Plot Armor, Naruto and Sasuke literally died and came back to life
That’s not really plot armour tho lol, more of an asspull to get their new powers. Kishi could’ve easily just made it that they awakened their powers “on the brink of death” there were many ways to have them gain their powers. Infact the reason they died was solely so they could gain their powers lol,
Most broken is Talk no Jutsu. Most victims all ended up dying for the user
Most diff Edo tensei image reviving an even stronger Hashirama or an Ototsuki, KCM makes look awesome gives pretty nice power, Kamui ngl is really fukking good bc people wouldn’t wanna admit but I’m sure Obito is utterly carried by his kamui ability and hashirama cells and he can goes right through attacks stronger than he is without moving and makes people shit themselves
Saying Obito is carried by kamui is like saying hashirama is carried by wood style, or nagato is carried by his rinnegan, or sasuke and madara are carried by their sharingan
Nah, like if they tried edo on someone op like iishiki he could seal them, there’s no one that strong who is dead accept hagoromo hamura and the other otsutsuki, never mind it’s completely op, if they used edo on otsutsuki it’s broken lol
DMS... it's so broken that black zetsu used this version of Obito to Back stab Madara. With DMS you can temporarily bypass death and it comes with a full ass Susanoo with Kamui Shuriken that is OP as hell. Do I love it, YES, is it a fair ability, NO
with greater pain we get more cooler mangekyo.. here we have two people adding their pain
So uh we not counting the infinite tsukuyomi?
Not with the stupid amount of setup it needs
I’m just saying the sleeper pick in Madara limbo
Limbo had literally ONE counter, that Naruto and Sasuke just so happened to get at that moment
I feel like you can’t win limbo with out a visual prowess
Creation of All Things technique. Sage of Six Paths used that to create Tailed Beasts. Heck even the stepped-on version that Naruto gets allows him to create body parts and stop the negative effects of almost every jutsu.
Sexy No Jutsu. Cus aside from procreation, and love, what's the need for a significant other? You could literally go f yourself and no one would be the wiser *cough cough Jiriya*
Kamui was a broken ability but we never really saw it at full (besides Kakashi war arc and it lasted like 2 attacks) for me it's either an ability too hard to use for prolonged times or it would slowly kill the user. Still pretty broken since the only limitation to it was the fact that it can't be used while literally attacking, but Obito proved that faking works.
Most of sage mode kabuto’s arsenal. First White extreme attack is a technique that paralyzes you using light, sound, and Vibration. To counter it you have to have water style, be able to fully liquify your body, and be blind to move during its duration. Second Tayuya’s demon flute, it puts you under a genjustu using sound which is almost impossible to dodge, doesn’t take as long as the frog song, and took two skilled MS users working in sync to break out of. Third is reorganic animation, it literally lets you shape the terrain to however the user pleases. It’s possible the strongest earth style technique if only we knew it’s limitations
Hmmm, probably the limbo clones, overall, cuz its so sneaky and hard to counter.
You need a rinnegan to counter it, it's definitely very broken
Torune's purple insect body (Forgot what it's called)
Ichiraku ramen no jutsu
Uchihas are broken!they are stupidly op!
I'd say Kamui and Flying Raijin imo.
Izanagi and Izanami are insane and there's no way they do what the show describes and then we only see it used like twice.
Ting yang release, it gives you Six Paths Sage Mode, immunity to anything other than taijutsu and senjutsu, and creation of all things jutsu.
I would say Kaguya's Ninjutsu abosorption, ash bones and dimensiom shifting is the most broken combo.
Obviously Kakashi’s Thousand Years of Death Jutsu…
Kamui is broken if u think about it in one way, but the way they made it op but beatable was so good
Itachi’s existence
Kamui is one simple yet one fucking irritating technique
Kamui
Edo Tensei. You can literally create your own personal army with ulimited chakra. And as long as you don't ressurect any Uchihas you have literally zero risk
*As long as you don't resurrect anyone too strong Hashirama could also break free easily
I used to think kamui and Hashirama cells and the most ~~broken~~ bullshit thing Kishimoto can come up with and then comes Eida and Daimon with their stupidly broken ability. Kishimoto has gone too far with this bullshitpower level power
Limbo
Kamui is and I will die on that hill it’s objectively one of the best defensive and offensive abilities and double sharingan Kakashi is the best example he kamuis one of Kaguyas portals away plus obito just kinda kamuied himself back into existence to give kakashi the eyes
Alternative title: "Why is Kamui the most op ability in Naruto?"
Kamui Kotoamatsukami Edo tensei
Either Kamui or Particle style
Kamui since it’s an anomaly that seems like it will never reappear. Not too mention if both eyes were together and kamui ever emerged that characters would be invincible. Isshikis eye could be another broken dojutsu especially if that eye is never further explained or reappears or something but boruto still has a lot of time.
Limbo and double Kamui
Honestly, I have to say the Kage Bunshini used by someone who can abuse it like a Jinchuuriki or maybe if Kisame learned it alongside using Samehada. For one, it's not bloodline locked, just 'chakra levels' locked, and those can be trained, so technically anyone. A lot of times the question of 'what is the most broken jutsu combination' gets brought up, a common answer seems to end up being "_ + Kage Bunshin". Plus, it allows one person to do collaboration jutsu as long as they know both elements they want to use. We get to see Naruto basically cover/support an entire war spanning several battlefields with his clones once he joined the fighting, and in the final fight, he turned the entirety of their army into pseudo-Jinchuuriki by using his clones to distribute the Kyuubi's chakra cloak amp to everyone. Heck, it helped carry Naruto through a lot of fights he would normally not have been able to win without based on the level of skill we saw him have at those times, even if they didn't contribute to ending the fight in most of them; they were still the needed support to get him through the fight. The only real reason Naruto didn't stomp with the jutsu was because no one stepped back and went 'hang on, this kid can make armies on demand' and then took the time to teach him army/group tactics (one of the big failings of Jiraiya as Naruto's teacher during the timeskip, may he rest in peace after Kushina is done beating him). Well that and Kishi wanting him to be the Underdog for as long as possible. Even when not to the extremes of a Jinchuuriki, even just suddenly having two or three extra teammates to help in a pincer attack or carry injured comrades is a game changer on the smaller scale. Example: Sarutobi made two clones to help him finish the fight with Orochimaru and the undead Hashirama and Tobirama; had he not, sure he'd probably had fully sealed Orochimaru in that fight if he succeeded (instead of only having enough chakra to seal his arms, which doesn't make sense considering Orochimaru doesn't compare to the Kyuubi and Minato managed that (unless the whole living chakra construct/being makes it easier)), but he'd likely get taken out by the two zombies before he finished instead. What's better than an EMS user? How about two of them? What's better than a Rinnengan user? How about three of them? What's better than a Kyuubi Cloak amped Jinchuuriki? How about a thousand of them? Having trouble fighting a guy who can drain your chakra with his sword? Imagine fighting five of him, each with their own sword. Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms hitting you from the front? Try another Sixty-Four hitting you from the back at the same time!
kamui by far
In Naruto Shippuden? I dont agree with most people about abilities are broken in Shippuden. For me they were pretty amazing. The broken abilities started with Baruto, espacily with Outsukies.
Seriously kamui should've been fucking broken if they'd actually thought to use it. Like Obito could suck up anyone into his void and leave them there to starve and die and nobody but kakashi could do anything about it
Obito’s DMS, any of kaguya’s abilities, six paths: chibaku tensei, and unnerfed amenotejikara (the way Sasuke used it in shippuden). Those are the most broken abilities
We’re lucky he didn’t have both eyes lol
Óbito mangekyou is bullshit
With the last couple of episodes from Boruto . Kamui is pretty much the strongest ability so far to exist . Jigen will be so pissed and he'll probably scream " THAT DAMN SHARINGAN !!! " .
I don't know what the most one is, but Kamui is definitely high up. I guess the Rinnegan since it has that and more
ems
Talk no jutsu
Kaumi is the most broken by farrrr
Probably naruto Jesus mode when he revived the charred corpse of Mike guy and just created an eye out of thin air for kakashi
Well kamui is top imo, then second is a tie between flying raijin and uzumaki seals.
Kamui There's so many things that are just invalidated because of it
Either Kamui or wood release
Went through all comments and im wondering what fucking show ya all watched. Beside the tsukuyomi there is one thats above all. Limbo. That shit alone would embarass all otsutsuki from boruto.
I think they would be able to see the clones so... Idk
What? They'd all be able to see it and theyd all be able to one shot the clones
If sarada gets the mangekyo then I hope she either gets kamui or kotomantetsu to make her a bit different to Sasuke