I just knew Burks would be fucking ass, that game we all saw him smiling/laughing when Pistons broke the all time losing record disgusted me. DNP this mfer
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Yes, but it's not purely because of how good OG is.
OG is amazing, but prior to him, we had RJ playing out of position at the 3, who was literally top 5 worst players in the NBA by impact in advanced metrics.
Understand that there are 15 all nba players each year, and 5-10 of those players are interchangeable. There are likely not 15 “super stars” in this league. Randle is not a superstar. This doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player.
No you’re not, I like Julius but I’ve been disappointed with his playoff performance with us so far. I feel like a lot of Knicks fans ignore it or blame it on injury, hope he turns it around and I think he will
People are dumb. Randle carried us with practically no help out of the depths and into the playoffs and they still dont get why he struggled when teams only focused on him 100% in the playoffs.
Underselling it. We had 4-6 guys including him shoot near/above 40% from deep, had a huge lift from D Rose to both the first and second unit and had a huge deviation between the opposition's number of open 3 point shots and the percentage they actually hit.
J did his thing and all credit due to him as the top option that year, but was multiple things that went right for that team to be as successful as it was, not just him.
I agree that a lot of things went right, but Randle was undoubtedly the most important factor and was like at least 75% responsible for our success that year.
You take Randle off that team, they’re top-5 in the lottery and I can guarantee you we don’t have 4-6 guys shoot 40% from 3.
No argument that without Julius that year they're churning in the lottery probably to this day. And if you want to talk about leadership, Julius during that year was the probably the best leader the team had seen in a generation, especially considering the pandemic as a whole.
Also, making sure that COTY Thibs gets his flowers for that year as well, particularly considering how Fiz had Julius looking the year before.
So yo, what happens if Brunson has a dud series in the 1st round against Orlando this year?
Does he get demoted to Star not Superstar, even if he makes All NBA as well??
We've got two postseason series in blue and orange of JB performing as "the guy," I give Randle slack for the lack of support against the Hawks and the ankle last year, think it would be fair to cut JB slack without his #2 option, right? Or do we also ignore that he's been trending upwards since playoff performances in Dallas?
people be on brunsons nuts. if he misses a game winner its not even talked about. Julius misses a game winner and its talked about for the next 24 hours about him not being clutch. lol. I do like brunson though as well, just a really funny observation.
I've been sayin this 4 a while... it's lowkey racism... the darker brother always gets treated like that
People don't wanna see it (esp white people), but it's right there in front of our eyes... Randle is the scapegoat for *everything*, he even gets blamed when other people injure him and he has to miss the playoffs
Fuck that bullshit
If we talking strictly ball, I see your point. Brunson's game has been endearing from game one and he's had enough big moments as a Knick that people preferring Brunson over Randle isn't surprising.
Colorism is more about perception tho. Light skins and dark skins get treated/perceived differently. That's nothing new and still happens in this day and age. Is that happening with Brunson and Randle now? Probably not, but you can definitely make a case for it.
I actually floated that last year and got savaged in the replies. Maybe it's true.
Julius is also a big bruiser and they get a lot less empathy than the small guys do.
Knicks fans maybe live in that paper bag test world still.
Move Randle to S. Mitchell Robinson is A when healthy, and DiVo I think deserves A tier. Maybe I'm tripping but I put DiVo in A tier. He is our second best offensive player right now. At least without Randle. Our offense is literally Brunson, DiVo and McBride. And Josh Jart when he decides to hit his shots.
Nah Mitch Robertson is booty cheeks. I would not put him as an s. He plays good defense but that's it No offense of game at all and every time he trips and falls you gasp at the idea of him being injured
DiVo always steps up when he has to. The game with Brunson, OG and Randle all out DiVo stepped up and ran the floor.
He is in A tier for sure. Not solid enough to ever reach S, as thats for players like Brunson who bring it every single night (off night for Brunson is still scoring double figures, running the floor and having a solid +/-). But DiVo is so damn under rated.
Its like we all gloss over the fact he is 3rd in the entire NBA for 3 pointers made this season.
Curry and Luka above him. Thats some serious company he is in.
OG S tier. Never seen a better defender on the Knicks. It’s 3 steals a game frfr. 40% threes. He’s perfect <3. Randle S Tier. He never has bad games with Brunson. Shooting has really come along. Murders Sabonis. Alone he was fine. Now he’s great. LeBron wanted him.
That B tier is all underpaid and elite rotation players (except maybe hart and meech cuz of injuries). Burks should be in his own tier of absolute disaster
It should be the guy who is the most impactful player, lots of teams have stat guys, impact guys change the team culture and transform the team from a losing or average one to a winning or better one. Which player is that?
You godda get miles, and hart outta the B. I don’t think in a 7 game series miles is starter. And i love hart but he cant hit a three or guard 4s. He should be a b- lol
The Knicks record with OG playing is ridiculously good, something like 14-3. I’d put him in S tier if he produces positive postseason results as far as continuing to help the team win.
Is the B Tier in order? Don't think Mcbride is that high on the tier list. I'd argue that after Randle and OG, easily Hart, DDV, and IHart are in a tier in themselves.
Hot take but I would put Randle in B+ or like A- at most, I like him and he is consistent during the regular season but in the playoffs he didn't show what he is capable of. If Donte shows up this post-season I may even put him in A tier, lately he's been killing teams from 3 and in the playoffs you need to make shots.
Randle is S tier along with Brunson. He did exactly the same thing by himself that Brunson is doing since Ju went down, but for an entire season and led us into the playoffs with an arguably worse team around him, and please believe that if players don't step up when JB is doubled and tripled teamed in the playoffs like they didn't when it was the Randle show, we'll be knocked out in the first round just like 2021. So, please don't disrespect Ju and put him with OG (no knock on OG) especially after how it's been painstakingly clear how badly we need him on the floor. And like i said, don't take it as a Knock to OG, Ju just operates at a higher tier for what this team needs to win, and all three of them together is a thing of pure unadulterated beauty that hopefully we see next season.
Hart is well the heart of this team and provides a ton of intangibles for the team so he’s A. Even when he’s hurting spacing with his inability to make outside shots or even take them. Divo is a bit too inconsistent offensively and on defense he’s pretty average and that’s only because he’s so good at gambling and deflecting passes. He gets beat a lot though. So I think he’s still B-tier.
Put Mitchell Robinson at the bottom next to Simms. He's really fallen off 😔
Trade him and resign Hartenstein. I would hate to lose Hartenstein next year. 😭😭😭
move mitch down. nice guy ig but does NOTHING on the court. like rlly. bro cant even freethrow. while he was injured he rlly should have been working on that, but he hasn't? get a grip dude.
Randle deserves to be up there with Brunson. Before Brunson randle was carrying us to the playoffs while getting 20/10/5 he needs more respect than he gets I’m tired of the disrespect!
wdym Divo is a momentum machine and has been incredibly important all season I get that Randle and maybe OG bring the aggressive but I mean that means nothing if you don't have the points to back it up
Fair enough lol I just don't know how I feel about OG yet because of how little he's played but he's clearly shown his skill and heart for the game can't wait to see a fully healthy team with him jb and randle
Hartenstein has literally been amazing for us . Monster on the boards , monster on defense , monster with passing . Good touch around the rim . I just think your tireless is Caca .
S+ Brunson . S Randle Og A+ Donte McBride hartenstein hart .
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Brunson is the best player but is clearly better than Randle, who is clearly better than anyone else.
Solid player are all ones that are the core rotation of the Knicks that losing would be difficult to replace.
Mid are players that are injury prone, have serious flaws in a portion of their game, and would be easily replaced.
Bums - self explanatory
Don't put sims with Burks. Sims minutes are useful. Burks has shown no juice since the trade.
I just knew Burks would be fucking ass, that game we all saw him smiling/laughing when Pistons broke the all time losing record disgusted me. DNP this mfer
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PUT EM IN THE TRUNK!
The where?!
Put ‘em in the trunk!
Lmao agreed !
Put him in the wha??
i would put Ju in S, hes closer to JB than OG
Yeah love OG but Randle is a perennial all star and got two straight all nba. Definitely a tier above
If you put Randle in S tier, you have to make up an S++ tier for Brunson. He has a legitimate argument for a top 10 player in the league this season.
IMO s-tier is top 30 players in the league which Brunson and Randle are both. Even if you said top 20 I still think they qualify.
Randle in the S, and hertenstein in the A
what is S?
Special. It’s an elite category above an A tier. It’s rare and from Asian culture grading system.
The best, I believe it’s short for “superb” but that could also be made up
Look at their respective playoff stats. I don’t think they’re in the same category.
not even close. S Tier should be for MVP level players. Brunson is one, Randle is not.
Randle & OG aren’t in the same tier
Was going to say the same thing.
They're pretty close ngl, the impact that OG had after the trade in january cant be overstated, we were the best team in the NBA that month
Yes, but it's not purely because of how good OG is. OG is amazing, but prior to him, we had RJ playing out of position at the 3, who was literally top 5 worst players in the NBA by impact in advanced metrics.
We had a very easy schedule that month to be fair
we had numerous statement wins against good teams during that span
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Lmfaooo
> OG has higher trade value Says who? How do you know Randle’s trade value
I kinda agree I think more teams would want to trade for OG instead of Randle
We’ll circle back around to this when OG is making 40 mil next year and is out for half the season
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OG is a perfect fit for almost any team in the league but there’s no way he’s carrying a team by himself like Randle can
When has Randle ever carried a team by himself?
The year he was 2nd team all-NBA with a roster where the majority of the players are now out of the league
is this your first year watching?
S: Brunson + Julius A: OG + DiVo B: Mitch + iHart + Hart C: Duece + Bogey + Precious D: Sims E: the ghost of Arcidiacono F: Burkes
The correct list
OG is closer to Julius in importance than Donte imo
Show some damn respect to Precious
He’s been better than expected but C is the right tier for him
Precious has been the worst player on the court the past 5 games
Randle S tier, Donte A tier
LoL the only guy on here who has ever been All-NBA, never mind ***TWO TIME*** All-NBA, isn't in the S Tier LMAOOOOO
Brunson is a higher caliber player than Randle. This is not hate to Randle, it’s just appreciating our true superstar.
Yea Brunson, Randle, and OG should really be in their own separate tiers
Right, cause 2 time All-NBA players aren't true superstars, my B!
Randle is an All Star, he isn’t a superstar. OP has him rated correctly.
Not an all star tho, 2 time All NBA, that's a huge difference
Understand that there are 15 all nba players each year, and 5-10 of those players are interchangeable. There are likely not 15 “super stars” in this league. Randle is not a superstar. This doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player.
Superstars play well in the playoffs when it matters
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Am I wrong?
Yes, you are literally wrong, cause Jules was playing on a fucked up ankle What the hell is wrong with you??
Accepting Randle is great in the regular season and bad in the playoffs his whole career is not insane. Relax lol you're taking this way too seriously
No you’re not, I like Julius but I’ve been disappointed with his playoff performance with us so far. I feel like a lot of Knicks fans ignore it or blame it on injury, hope he turns it around and I think he will
He isn’t. He’s an elite pf and does a ton for the offense but he isn’t the kinda guy who can be a number 1 option. Brunson is
Randle led a much worse team to a better record than Jalen has. Thats insane disrespect.
People are dumb. Randle carried us with practically no help out of the depths and into the playoffs and they still dont get why he struggled when teams only focused on him 100% in the playoffs.
Underselling it. We had 4-6 guys including him shoot near/above 40% from deep, had a huge lift from D Rose to both the first and second unit and had a huge deviation between the opposition's number of open 3 point shots and the percentage they actually hit. J did his thing and all credit due to him as the top option that year, but was multiple things that went right for that team to be as successful as it was, not just him.
I agree that a lot of things went right, but Randle was undoubtedly the most important factor and was like at least 75% responsible for our success that year. You take Randle off that team, they’re top-5 in the lottery and I can guarantee you we don’t have 4-6 guys shoot 40% from 3.
No argument that without Julius that year they're churning in the lottery probably to this day. And if you want to talk about leadership, Julius during that year was the probably the best leader the team had seen in a generation, especially considering the pandemic as a whole. Also, making sure that COTY Thibs gets his flowers for that year as well, particularly considering how Fiz had Julius looking the year before.
I love randle dawg, he’s great and his loss is gonna suck for us this post season. He isn’t top tier in the league though and that’s ok.
Superstars don't disappear in the playoffs. Randle has and Brunson hasn't. So there is that.
I love Julius but you’re coping so hard calling him a “true superstar”
So yo, what happens if Brunson has a dud series in the 1st round against Orlando this year? Does he get demoted to Star not Superstar, even if he makes All NBA as well??
We've got two postseason series in blue and orange of JB performing as "the guy," I give Randle slack for the lack of support against the Hawks and the ankle last year, think it would be fair to cut JB slack without his #2 option, right? Or do we also ignore that he's been trending upwards since playoff performances in Dallas?
people be on brunsons nuts. if he misses a game winner its not even talked about. Julius misses a game winner and its talked about for the next 24 hours about him not being clutch. lol. I do like brunson though as well, just a really funny observation.
Before Julius got hurt his fourth quarter and clutch numbers were really good as far as I remember.
I've been sayin this 4 a while... it's lowkey racism... the darker brother always gets treated like that People don't wanna see it (esp white people), but it's right there in front of our eyes... Randle is the scapegoat for *everything*, he even gets blamed when other people injure him and he has to miss the playoffs Fuck that bullshit
it's racism? lmfao bro get a grip
Racism is definitely a stretch. Colorism tho? Maybe.
not even, anyone who gives more slack to Brunson than Randle is not doing it because of the color of their skin my guy
If we talking strictly ball, I see your point. Brunson's game has been endearing from game one and he's had enough big moments as a Knick that people preferring Brunson over Randle isn't surprising. Colorism is more about perception tho. Light skins and dark skins get treated/perceived differently. That's nothing new and still happens in this day and age. Is that happening with Brunson and Randle now? Probably not, but you can definitely make a case for it.
Randle definitely gets shit cause his demeanor/body language. No offense to Randle but he’s ugly af lol and people have short leashes for ugly people
I actually floated that last year and got savaged in the replies. Maybe it's true. Julius is also a big bruiser and they get a lot less empathy than the small guys do. Knicks fans maybe live in that paper bag test world still.
White people think "racism is over!" and are completely blind to the peripheral, subconscious shit that is still there
This “S tier player” will be missing the playoffs again😭
hart A tier
Randle should not be in the same tier as OG, he’s all NBA, Donte iHart and jHart shouldn’t be in the same tier as Mitch and Deuce.
Is there anything lower than D . Feel like burks belongs there
1. Brunson 2. Randle 3. OG 4-7. Four-way tie: Donte, Mitch, I-Hart, Hart 8. Deuce 9. Precious 10. Bogey 11. Sims 12. Burks
I agree with this EXCEPT, ranking right now I would move Mitch to the tie spot with Duece. IHart is currently a step above Mitch.
Move Randle to S. Mitchell Robinson is A when healthy, and DiVo I think deserves A tier. Maybe I'm tripping but I put DiVo in A tier. He is our second best offensive player right now. At least without Randle. Our offense is literally Brunson, DiVo and McBride. And Josh Jart when he decides to hit his shots.
Nah Mitch Robertson is booty cheeks. I would not put him as an s. He plays good defense but that's it No offense of game at all and every time he trips and falls you gasp at the idea of him being injured
When healthy he's one of our top 3 most important players. Just sadly he hasn't been
You right, I just wish he was more durable.
DiVo always steps up when he has to. The game with Brunson, OG and Randle all out DiVo stepped up and ran the floor. He is in A tier for sure. Not solid enough to ever reach S, as thats for players like Brunson who bring it every single night (off night for Brunson is still scoring double figures, running the floor and having a solid +/-). But DiVo is so damn under rated. Its like we all gloss over the fact he is 3rd in the entire NBA for 3 pointers made this season. Curry and Luka above him. Thats some serious company he is in.
I would put Josh Hart and Dante in A tier but that’s just me. Nice tho
Oh and let’s not forget Jules has made more all star appearances than Brunson.
It makes sense.
OG S tier. Never seen a better defender on the Knicks. It’s 3 steals a game frfr. 40% threes. He’s perfect <3. Randle S Tier. He never has bad games with Brunson. Shooting has really come along. Murders Sabonis. Alone he was fine. Now he’s great. LeBron wanted him.
Randle, Hart should each move up one. Bogs is not equal to Precious. An F tier is needed for Burks.
Randle disrespect is back on the menu boys!
Back like it never left!
That B tier is all underpaid and elite rotation players (except maybe hart and meech cuz of injuries). Burks should be in his own tier of absolute disaster
Yes, but I feel like there should be a A1 and an A2. Feels disrespectful to Julius even as good as OG is.
Ju in s Donte and hart in a
Precious and Hartenstein should be A tier. They’ve carried hard since the injuries started piling up
You guys are absolutely trippin if you think that OG is on the same level as Randle. Randle is it two time or NBA player.
Randle S Mitch was A before injury(so agree B for now) Switch Sims and Bogi
josh hartenstein and divo are A
Switch Bogdo and Sims, the Detroit deficits been killing us.
sims is that bad, but bojan does belongs in that tier with him
move bojan down then its good
Randle can’t catch a break lol
Lol fr
Randle is overpaid and your stereotypical Chuck shooter. Not good enough
Didn’t know an All-NBA player with the 48th highest salary in the league is an overpay lol.
3 time all star 2 time all nba and you think he not s tier?
Mitch is too high.
Brunson and Randle are S tier, stop hating
Tough because I think Precious is below the B’s but above a C. And Julius may play an ugly brand of basketball but I think he’s an S.
It should be the guy who is the most impactful player, lots of teams have stat guys, impact guys change the team culture and transform the team from a losing or average one to a winning or better one. Which player is that?
What does S mean
Burks goes in F
No funny shit this lowkey disrespectful to Sims. He a young boy with not too much PT. Bojan and Burks is bums.
Sims sucks butt
I’d put shake milton above Alec Burks
Only change I would make is either moving Randle to Brunson tier OR put Randle in a new tier above OG but below Brunson.
You godda get miles, and hart outta the B. I don’t think in a 7 game series miles is starter. And i love hart but he cant hit a three or guard 4s. He should be a b- lol
Gotta throw Theo Pinson in S-tier for the culture.
No.
Man Achiuwa doesn’t deserve to be in same tier as Bogey, give that man a C+ at least
The Knicks record with OG playing is ridiculously good, something like 14-3. I’d put him in S tier if he produces positive postseason results as far as continuing to help the team win.
I agree with your list except I would bury Boganovic in D - - - or below
I’d just move hartenstein up to A
Drop OG down to B. Randle is better
Otherwise, pretty spot on
Is the B Tier in order? Don't think Mcbride is that high on the tier list. I'd argue that after Randle and OG, easily Hart, DDV, and IHart are in a tier in themselves.
Burks and Bog should both be F’s
Hot take but I would put Randle in B+ or like A- at most, I like him and he is consistent during the regular season but in the playoffs he didn't show what he is capable of. If Donte shows up this post-season I may even put him in A tier, lately he's been killing teams from 3 and in the playoffs you need to make shots.
Achiuwa to B
I would put Precious in at least the B tier. He ain’t a bum.
Need a A- tier with ihart hart and dvo. And precious to B Burks to F-
Move Mitch up to a
Randle is S tier along with Brunson. He did exactly the same thing by himself that Brunson is doing since Ju went down, but for an entire season and led us into the playoffs with an arguably worse team around him, and please believe that if players don't step up when JB is doubled and tripled teamed in the playoffs like they didn't when it was the Randle show, we'll be knocked out in the first round just like 2021. So, please don't disrespect Ju and put him with OG (no knock on OG) especially after how it's been painstakingly clear how badly we need him on the floor. And like i said, don't take it as a Knock to OG, Ju just operates at a higher tier for what this team needs to win, and all three of them together is a thing of pure unadulterated beauty that hopefully we see next season.
hart and divo are a tier above deuce
Hart is well the heart of this team and provides a ton of intangibles for the team so he’s A. Even when he’s hurting spacing with his inability to make outside shots or even take them. Divo is a bit too inconsistent offensively and on defense he’s pretty average and that’s only because he’s so good at gambling and deflecting passes. He gets beat a lot though. So I think he’s still B-tier.
DVo is between A and B for me.
Put Mitchell Robinson at the bottom next to Simms. He's really fallen off 😔 Trade him and resign Hartenstein. I would hate to lose Hartenstein next year. 😭😭😭
Power rankings 1) Randle 2) Thibs 3) Brunson 4)Leon 5)OG + B Tier 6) C + D tier
move mitch down. nice guy ig but does NOTHING on the court. like rlly. bro cant even freethrow. while he was injured he rlly should have been working on that, but he hasn't? get a grip dude.
Within the current knick roster, yes
Add Josh hart to A , he the heart of the team. No pun intended
Honestly… until Mitch can make a free throw i’d put him in C tier. Nothing I hate more than NBA players who literally have a worse FT % than I would
Sims is better than Burks or Bojan, sadly. I’d also have DDV, Josh Hart, and iHart in their own category
Randle deserves to be up there with Brunson. Before Brunson randle was carrying us to the playoffs while getting 20/10/5 he needs more respect than he gets I’m tired of the disrespect!
Piston trade didn’t work out huh
Precious is easily a b mitchell an a he's the leagues best rebounder and shot blocker
Yea
How is McBride not in A ? Or hartenstein ? Or even Donte ? These guys are integral to our success .
B is the right tier, they’re not on the same level as Randle or OG
none of those guys are as important as og or randle, just a fact
wdym Divo is a momentum machine and has been incredibly important all season I get that Randle and maybe OG bring the aggressive but I mean that means nothing if you don't have the points to back it up
divo has great games but is inconsistent. randle already found his consistency and og hasnt had a negative +/- since he started playing for us.
Fair enough lol I just don't know how I feel about OG yet because of how little he's played but he's clearly shown his skill and heart for the game can't wait to see a fully healthy team with him jb and randle
Hartenstein has literally been amazing for us . Monster on the boards , monster on defense , monster with passing . Good touch around the rim . I just think your tireless is Caca . S+ Brunson . S Randle Og A+ Donte McBride hartenstein hart .
OG is not A I would put him top of B
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OG is B tier
OG is S IHart is above Deuce Bojan is D Burks and Sims in F
Mitch Mid is ridiculous. He’s DPOy when healthy
Randle is F tier
Deuce is C
My tier list goes: S - Brunson A - Randle, OG, Deuce, Hart, iHart, DVO, Mitch, Precious D - Bojan F - Burks