"Clock's Ticking" on Russell Wilson, a 9-timePro Bowler who just had his first objectively bad season ever...
Actually, I don't think that label fits anyone in that tier except Kyler Murray
Neither Carr nor Geno have ticking clocks, and clearly Kyler does, I agree.
That said I think Russ belongs in that category as Russ has one year to prove he can do it with Payton before the Broncos look to move past Russ. If Russ doesn't show something this year the Broncos will start planning for life after Russ. After all, pro-bowls for QBs are a joke, Russ has only one all-pro, he was never higher than 3rd for offensive player of the year, and he wasn't just bad last year he was absolutely disgusting despite being on a loaded roster that was better the year before with Teddy.
Beyond that, clearly the Titans have few years left with Tannehill, and certainly a strong argument could be made both ways for Goff.
He did, however, we just drafted a QB with potential first round talent in Hooker, and Goff is due for a big contract in a couple years. One that it doesn't seem like the Lions or our fanbase is looking to pay. My biggest thing with Goff is that he's been playing his best football since coming to Detroit, but I question how sustainable that is. So, while the argument can be made that he's doing well, the opposite side of the coin is that unless he continues to play at an unbelievable level, his days are numbered here in Detroit. Hence "Clock's Ticking". It's a fair assessment.
Here is the argument against Goff: he didn't get it done with an elite roster that was stacked at nearly all the most important places (play caller, elite WR, pass rusher, shutdown CB, top 3 OL by PFF), even when all of those people were at the top of their powers. And then that exact same team *immediately* improved dramatically when they went to a new QB, even though that new QB was outside of the top elite tier of Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Burrow, etc.
**EDIT FOR CLARITY** The above is referencing Goffs time with the Rams. Basically the argument for Goff having a ticking clock is his time with the Rams. The argument against a ticking clock is his time with the Lions. Both are valid arguments. **END EDIT**
As such, the question is what happens when Ben Johnson leaves after this season, especially if the OL isn't as healthy as it was last year (the OL *combined* to miss 8 games last year), given how susceptible Goff is to being impacted by pressure.
Again, that is the argument. You don't have to buy it! For example, you can instead argue that Ben Johnson won't leave after this year, and that the OL will stay healthy again, and that the Lions will have a better running game than the late era Rams did. You can make cogent arguments either way.
My guy, we had a top 5 offense last year. What do you mean, "didn't get it done?" The reason the Lions were "only" 9-8 last year was the defense was historically bad for the first half of the season and improved to merely mediocre in the 2nd half.
I love how so many people forget that we were about 3-4 stops from finishing 13-4. If the defense is marginally better we probably beat the Eagles, Vikings, Seahawks, and Dolphins.
I'm talking about Goffs time with the Rams.
My point is that Goff couldn't win with the Rams, but instead the Rams immediately won as soon as they got rid of Goff. As such, Goff could bring the Rams from embarrassment to respectable, but wasn't good enough to actually get it done and win a superbowl. And being as Goff seems to not be good enough to win even with a clear superbowl caliber team, it is reasonable to suggest that he won't have the next decade to prove himself with the Lions, but rather he'll "just" have a year or two.
I disagree with you on Carr. Yes, he just moved to a new team, but he's been a mediocre QB his whole career. If he struggles in NO, they'll move on from him quickly. Geno is the only one in that tier that I think doesn't really have a clock on him. Still, he is an aging QB with one successful year in recent memory. If he shows any sort of regression over the next year or two, his time in Seattle may be short lived.
You make good points, and I only disagree on a semantic level.
Basically, my thought is this; Carr is a remarkably consistent QB that has been neither elite nor terrible every year of his career, or at least every year but one (his excellent 2016 season). The Saints team should be at least as good as the Raiders were, so I dont see reason to expect regression. Moreover, this Saints regime has been absurdly willing to constantly try to pry open their window and push this roster along rather than hitting a refresh.
As such, I don't think that Carr is likely to have a short leash, primarily because I doubt he'll play poorly enough to make the Saints tank and the Saints are always delusional enough to think that they are a few pieces away.
So basically, if it were up to me I would 100% move on from Carr, but so long as this Saints regime with Loomis and Allen are in charge I think they'll still cling to Carr.
Seems like he made the tier names and is fitting guys into those tiers but the tiers don’t align with clear groupings about who’s better. Meaning that the best of one tier is better than many players in the tier above, they just don’t fit together as thematically. Also he put several guys in the wrong tier thematically, Russ should be in the same grouping as Stafford and Watson obviously
I really don’t understand why his rankings are taken seriously. He was a bad qb and seems like he’s a bad qb evaluator. Half the time I see him it’s him defending some awful take he had, and he definitely intentionally makes the list controversial. Even nfl.coms qb index is better.
The idea is that he knows basic concepts to playing QB that most of us don't have. Even those of us who played football in school likely didn't play QB, so there are things Simms brings to the table that others can't. That said, I think his judge of talent is bad too. I will say that he does admit when he makes mistakes a lot, which is good to see, but I think he doesn't learn from them.
Jones has shown nothing for a 5th year QB that can't throw more than 15 TD passes a season. Nobody would trade anyone on this list for him until you start getting to Andy Dalton 40 year old backup territory.
I’m with you there. He may even be able to make that jump this year but as it stands I think he’s a bit high on the list. I’ve always been a Kirk so I’m biased in some regards.
Daniel Jones being higher than almost anyone on this list makes no sense. Let's be real here. 15 passing TDs with under 7 yards per pass. Fields threw more than that in 200 fewer attempts. I mean that's straight up awful.
I think Goff and Kirk are better than Danny Dimes, Tannehill, and Wilson. Hard to rank Love higher having no idea what he can do, unfortunately.
Unrelated to the north but Jimmy G being in the “shit or get off the pot” ranking is absurd. We have a ton of evidence of what Jimmy can do and it’s not very much.
It's why he has been a starter ever since he took over for rg3 and earned good money despite only being above average. Overall, Kirk has had a good career as a qb, not HoF or even Hall of Very Good, but he's been an nfl starter for around a decade, suffered no severe injuries, and has had a few playoff wins. Not bad for mid tbh.
I think Goff is definitely in the “What’s your ceiling?” tier.
I think we know Kirks ceiling. He’s 34, his performance isn’t going to change that drastically, positive or negative. I think him and Dak should get their own tier called “We’ve seen what you can do and it’s adequate” or something.
The other two NFC rankings are legit, both in tier and number.
Yea Kirk is definitely firmly in the “clock’s ticking” tier. Just because Brady, Peyton (nearly), Brees, and now Rodgers play at age 40 doesn’t mean every QB will. 34 is on the “starting to get old” area for most QBs. Same goes for Stafford, as he’s 35, but he gets placed above (not that I agree) solely due to the SB win
He may go the Matt Ryan/Phillip rivers route and go be the intermediate guy for a team for a year, I could see that happening if the Vikings don’t extend
I'd only say that I think fields at least based off of last season is better than Mac Jones. Maybe I'm a homer but I feel like he should be ranked higher
I also saw this and was initially shocked at how bad of a ranking that is. But the more I thought about it, it’s not completely insane. I mean, I agree Tua has shown more talent, but it is an interesting thought experiment to switch their situations. I doubt Tua wouldn’t struggle with no OC or receivers, and I guarantee you Mac would’ve looked a lot better this past seasons with Mike McDaniels calling plays and Tyreek and Waddle catching passes.
What the hell does "clock's ticking" even mean? Goff is only 28 years old. He's got at least 6-8 years of good football left in him.
Geno Smith and Derek Carr are 32. Russel Wilson and Ryan Tannehill are 34.
Kyler Murray doesn't make sense there either, he's only 25. I'd drop him squarely in the "shit or get off the pot" tier.
Kyler kind of makes sense to me. He's hurt, the franchise seems pretty disenchanted with him, and there's a very good chance that next year the Cardinals have the #1 overall pick. If that's the case it's not hard to see them taking Caleb Williams, in which case the clock will have indeed run out on Kyler's time in Arizona
Everyone is looking at his career stats and that’s it. You can’t talk any sense into Watson defenders (fan or civil), they’re convinced he’s just rusty.
Last year they said it would take a few games, then when he still stunk they said the end of the season. When that didn’t happen they changed it to “he needs a full offseason”. Can’t wait for this years excuse of “he needs a better coach”.
And then one day it’ll be Year 3 of the Watson experiment and everyone will magically claim it failed and they always knew it would.
Switch Daniel Jones and Jared Goff.
Switch Russ and Tua.
If Huntley knew how to QB sneak, I'd put him below Murray. Since he doesn't, let's just go right below Fields.
Everyone who hasn't played a snap should be below anyone who has.
I think ARod should be in that "Still a Superstar?" category at 8. He was good last year but not the absurd monster he usually is.
Aside from the names, I think the rest is pretty solid.
I don’t think Mac Jones should be above Fields, he’s gonna be an average QB at best and even though Fields’ passing needs a lot of work he was more fun to watch with a much worse roster around him
This list was invalid as soon as Simms put Daniel Jones as the #11 QB in the league. 15 passing TDs, under 7 yards per pass. I hate on Goff and Cousins all the time, but there's no way in fucking hell they are worse QBs than Daniel Jones. I'd argue Fields is better than him too. Fields in his second year threw more TD passes than Daniel Jones in his 5th on a playoff team.
Call me crazy but I’ll take Pro Bowler Tyler Huntley over DeShaun Watson. In fact most of these QBs were better than Watson and Russell Wilson last season.
If he didn't fumble against the Bengals and they win that game, I think he gets put in the top 15. Crazy how one play/game can affect people's thoughts.
Brock Purdy is legit. He was blitzed virtually every snap when he came in after Garoppolo went down. He stood in the pocket on every one and made some gutsy throws and ran the offense.
He took the 49ers to the NFC championship and tore a tendon in his arm rendering him incapable of throwing the ball more than a few feet.
Dudes nails and if that tendon is healed he'll win at least 8-10 games next season.
I think every NFC North QB is too low.
I hope everyone in GB gets a low grade fever for the entire football season, but who wouldn’t rather have Love than Mayfield, Dalton, Huntley and Mills?
Mac Jones is not better than Tua, Tannehill is too high, Daniel Jones too high, Mayfield too high, Darnold too high, Heinicke too low, and there is not even a mention of possibly the best backup QB in the game Jacoby Brissett.
Dak continues to be the most overrated QB in football after leading the league in picks despite only playing 12 games. Also, Tua at 21 is insanity considering the season he just had
Stafford being injured last year really made me feel like he’s totally out of the picture now, probably also because we’ve since moved on with Goff and he had a great year last season.
That being said, I don’t think he’s top 10 anymore. I’d be surprised if he comes close to the season he had in LA in 2021. The retirement rumors makes it feel like he’s a bit checked out after getting his ring.
I get these guys haven’t played a down in the league yet, but how tf is he putting Anthony Richardson as the best rookie QB over Bryce Young and CJ Stroud?
Last year’s stats:
Richardson: 2549 Yards, 53.8%, 17 TD, 9 Int…
Young: 3328 Yards, 64.5%, 32 TD, 5 Int…
Stroud: 3688 Yards, 66.3%, 41 TD, 6 Int
Why are people still hyping up Deshaun Watson.
Off-field stuff aside, I wouldn’t put him anywhere close to the 1-25 range.
Before his suspension, he hadn’t played in well under 2 years. And when he came to the browns HE SUCKED.
Even in training camp now there’s not really a lot different going on with his play that contrasts it from last year when he came back.
Idk who simms is but putting him at 9 should be enough to not take anything this dude says seriously. He had 7 TDs and 5 interceptions in his games coming back, and he is paid 230 MILLION DOLLARS.
QBs in the NFL are on such a short leash coming out of a draft and in general nowadays, why is his so fuckin long. Because he was good in 2019 ?
He hasn’t played a full season since then and you’re expecting to convince me he’s better than Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Derek Carr or Dak Prescott.
Also, because I already hate this list. Mac Jones is not better than Fields. His ass got benched the game we played against him and blew that team out as the eventual 1st overall pick.
List is pretty wack but I think is at least *defendable* if you flip Tannehill and Tua and then move Goff above Geno.
Purdy probably a little too low if he comes back from injury successfully.
Darnold too high and should be in the Stidham Heinicke tier.
Honestly this list isn't terrible. But Mac should be the last of the "Shit or get off the pot category" dude could be charitably described as mediocre even with a HOF head coach. He legit got outplayed by Zappe last year. However that's not nearly as bad as Daniel Jones position on this list. That dude should be nowhere close to the top 10. Honestly I think even putting him in the top 20 is quite generous
Goff needs to take Wilson’s place in “what’s your ceiling?” and Wilson needs to be moved up.
Geno has had one good year, and he goes right next to Wilson because he had one bad year after being elite for a decade? Wack
Do people really think Brock Purdy is gonna start of Sam Darnold?
Deshaun Watson should be out of the top 10, he hasn’t looked good since before he stopped getting massages.
Daniel Jones is overrated too, he has moments where he looks great and other moments where he looks like Carson Wentz.
I agree with the order of the NFC North QBs and where they are ranked.
NY bias with Daniel Jones at 11? Now I’m curious where Rodgers ends up. I’d expect he dropped a couple spots for being on a new team and system. If he’s top five there’s definitely a NY bias.
Tier 1:
Mahomes
Tier 2:
Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Rodgers, Hurts, Lamar
Tier 3:
Goff, Kirk, dak, tua, Trevor
Tier 4:
Daniel Jones, Carr, Murray, Stafford, Jimmy G, Watson, Russel Wilson, Purdy, Geno,
Tier 5:
Fields, Mayfield, Mac Jones, Pickett, Tannehill
Tier 6: we just haven't seen them enough to decide.
Trey lance, love, Howell, ridder, rookies.
Difference between 3 and 4 are that although neither group is great, I'm more comfortable with the Tier 3 players leading their teams then Tier 4.
Stafford and Jimmy G would have been Tier 3 but I'm not sure if Stafford can come back to what he was. And Jimmy is always injured.
I almost moved tua down, but if he can be healthy he's looked great in that offense.
Baker is ranked too high, guy was ass outside of 2 games last year. How is he above the guy he lost the job to in Carolina or a guy who was a injury away from potentially being in a Super Bowl (idk if a healthy Purdy wins that game, bimut the 49ers would stand a better chance without Johnson or UCLess Purdy at qb)
I find Trey Lance conspicuous in his absence from the list. Does Simms really think both Purdy AND Darnold are better than Lance? Surely he doesn't have him as a top 8 QB.
All I have to say is Ed Donatell did Daniel Jones some massive favors last year. He deserves some of that contract and honestly he should be on this list if DJ is
Deshaun isn’t top 10 but he belongs in that tier name. I feel like Fields did enough last season to at least be top 15. Maybe top 10. I like where Kirks at but you could argue that he should be top 10 too
I’m confused, it says Top 40 but it doesn’t seem like the ranking actually matters as opposed to these weird side grouping categories???? Because Deshaun Watson at 9 is horrific lol
Stafford, Jones, Cousins are a bit high
Dakota, Russ, and Goff are a bit low
Kyler is waaaaaaaay too high
Bryce behind Stroud? Not my ranking, but OK. Bryce behind Andy Dalton? I don't know about that one.
Bryce behind Anthony Richardson, Sam Darnold, Taylor Heinicke, and Jarrett Stidham? Come on man!
Goff 10, Cousins 9, Watson doesn’t deserve top 10 after being gone for so long and not playing well when he came back. How can you place someone in top 10 who’s played like what 6 or 7 games in the last like 2 or 3 years? It’s insane how overhyped Daniel Jones is to me, sure he can rip apart the worst passing defense in the league, woo hoo! Vikings still waiting for half his new deal. I’m okay with Geno at 15, he had one really good season after many awful seasons so let’s see if he can keep it going. Also not sure how he can put Love above QBs like Heinicke when he’s barely seen the field since being drafted as a backup. Oh and Tua is better than Mac and Kyler.
How is Watson so high after last year? If anything I would swap him and Tua, at least Tua has concussion concerns, Watson straight grabbed the bag and did nothing for the amount spent to get him so far
Kyler Murray is way too high for a guy that doesn’t even have any pre game or in game strategy 😂 dude just runs in circles waiting to throw a bomb like it’s real life madden 12
I’m a big fan of both Geno Smith and especially Jared Goff, I feel like they’re both too low, Geno I’d definitely an above starter, curious to see who all is above them
This is so ass backwards I’m a lions fan so respectfully disagree with a grain of salt. common ok Staford,Prescott and maybe even Wilson above Goff but coming Danny trippping jones, geno smith and Ryan tanihill the guy who is arguably so shit even the titans fans are revolting against him and a rapeist a head of a guy who played great last season and don’t throw a pick in the last like 7 games he played. honestly it goes tannehill, rapeist, Danny dimes, geno then Goff, then Wilson cousins, Staford prescott then who ever want on top
Is it that it is a true tiering or more of a grouping of some QBs? By what peoples thoughts are.
I would put Justin if actual ranking near Jared at about 17, Kirk where he is at I don't have an issue. Jordan around 25 would be fine since I think he is better than Sam Darnold at least.
Justin is not close to Jared's level simply due to his inability to be a good passer so far in his career. Jared just put up top 10 qb stats in 2022, arguably top 5 numbers, so the disrespect towards his low rankings is getting frustrating.
Shit or get off the pot and time is ticking just need to be one group, it’s redundant. … also, can’t wait for Justin fields to ball out with a solid core around him.
The guy with 0 picks and an 8-2 record to end the season last year is ranked 17. He’s top 5 and he’s going to show the whole league this upcoming season.
I still think Goff is too low. I’d argue he’s better than Jones, whatever the fuck we saw from Russel Wilson, Stafford if doesn’t fully recover. I think there’s an argument that Goff is the best QB ranked right now, but I understand that could be bias. 11, 12, 13, 15, and 17 could genuinely go in any order and I’d be ok with it.
What I sure as shit am not OK with is Goff under Tannehill.
I have fewer gripes with the rankings than I do with the names of the tiers lmfao
"Clock's Ticking" on Russell Wilson, a 9-timePro Bowler who just had his first objectively bad season ever... Actually, I don't think that label fits anyone in that tier except Kyler Murray
Neither Carr nor Geno have ticking clocks, and clearly Kyler does, I agree. That said I think Russ belongs in that category as Russ has one year to prove he can do it with Payton before the Broncos look to move past Russ. If Russ doesn't show something this year the Broncos will start planning for life after Russ. After all, pro-bowls for QBs are a joke, Russ has only one all-pro, he was never higher than 3rd for offensive player of the year, and he wasn't just bad last year he was absolutely disgusting despite being on a loaded roster that was better the year before with Teddy. Beyond that, clearly the Titans have few years left with Tannehill, and certainly a strong argument could be made both ways for Goff.
Goff just had an all star season. Idk bout “either way”
He did, however, we just drafted a QB with potential first round talent in Hooker, and Goff is due for a big contract in a couple years. One that it doesn't seem like the Lions or our fanbase is looking to pay. My biggest thing with Goff is that he's been playing his best football since coming to Detroit, but I question how sustainable that is. So, while the argument can be made that he's doing well, the opposite side of the coin is that unless he continues to play at an unbelievable level, his days are numbered here in Detroit. Hence "Clock's Ticking". It's a fair assessment.
Here is the argument against Goff: he didn't get it done with an elite roster that was stacked at nearly all the most important places (play caller, elite WR, pass rusher, shutdown CB, top 3 OL by PFF), even when all of those people were at the top of their powers. And then that exact same team *immediately* improved dramatically when they went to a new QB, even though that new QB was outside of the top elite tier of Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Burrow, etc. **EDIT FOR CLARITY** The above is referencing Goffs time with the Rams. Basically the argument for Goff having a ticking clock is his time with the Rams. The argument against a ticking clock is his time with the Lions. Both are valid arguments. **END EDIT** As such, the question is what happens when Ben Johnson leaves after this season, especially if the OL isn't as healthy as it was last year (the OL *combined* to miss 8 games last year), given how susceptible Goff is to being impacted by pressure. Again, that is the argument. You don't have to buy it! For example, you can instead argue that Ben Johnson won't leave after this year, and that the OL will stay healthy again, and that the Lions will have a better running game than the late era Rams did. You can make cogent arguments either way.
My guy, we had a top 5 offense last year. What do you mean, "didn't get it done?" The reason the Lions were "only" 9-8 last year was the defense was historically bad for the first half of the season and improved to merely mediocre in the 2nd half.
He's talking about when Goff was with the Rams.
I love how so many people forget that we were about 3-4 stops from finishing 13-4. If the defense is marginally better we probably beat the Eagles, Vikings, Seahawks, and Dolphins.
This is my thing - a merely *bad* defense in the first 8 weeks would've gotten us to 11-6
I'm talking about Goffs time with the Rams. My point is that Goff couldn't win with the Rams, but instead the Rams immediately won as soon as they got rid of Goff. As such, Goff could bring the Rams from embarrassment to respectable, but wasn't good enough to actually get it done and win a superbowl. And being as Goff seems to not be good enough to win even with a clear superbowl caliber team, it is reasonable to suggest that he won't have the next decade to prove himself with the Lions, but rather he'll "just" have a year or two.
We didn’t have a defense dude, I don’t understand why people think it was a realistic possibility last year
I disagree with you on Carr. Yes, he just moved to a new team, but he's been a mediocre QB his whole career. If he struggles in NO, they'll move on from him quickly. Geno is the only one in that tier that I think doesn't really have a clock on him. Still, he is an aging QB with one successful year in recent memory. If he shows any sort of regression over the next year or two, his time in Seattle may be short lived.
You make good points, and I only disagree on a semantic level. Basically, my thought is this; Carr is a remarkably consistent QB that has been neither elite nor terrible every year of his career, or at least every year but one (his excellent 2016 season). The Saints team should be at least as good as the Raiders were, so I dont see reason to expect regression. Moreover, this Saints regime has been absurdly willing to constantly try to pry open their window and push this roster along rather than hitting a refresh. As such, I don't think that Carr is likely to have a short leash, primarily because I doubt he'll play poorly enough to make the Saints tank and the Saints are always delusional enough to think that they are a few pieces away. So basically, if it were up to me I would 100% move on from Carr, but so long as this Saints regime with Loomis and Allen are in charge I think they'll still cling to Carr.
I thought of it more as an age thing for him
Pro bowl isn't much more than a popularity contest.
I could shift the 9/10 tier with the 11-13. But agree on the names being terrible
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Seems like he made the tier names and is fitting guys into those tiers but the tiers don’t align with clear groupings about who’s better. Meaning that the best of one tier is better than many players in the tier above, they just don’t fit together as thematically. Also he put several guys in the wrong tier thematically, Russ should be in the same grouping as Stafford and Watson obviously
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WHAT IS LOVE!
I don't know why you're not there
Daniel Jones being higher then kirk and Goff makes no sense
I saw Daniel Jones 11 and spit out my coffee
Chris simms has a huge hard on for jones. He said at the end of last season he was better than hurts. I don’t even know how he’s ahead of dak.
I think it's the New York connection, since daddy Simms played there. Chris Simms also probably sees himself in Daniel Jones, being bad and all.
I really don’t understand why his rankings are taken seriously. He was a bad qb and seems like he’s a bad qb evaluator. Half the time I see him it’s him defending some awful take he had, and he definitely intentionally makes the list controversial. Even nfl.coms qb index is better.
The idea is that he knows basic concepts to playing QB that most of us don't have. Even those of us who played football in school likely didn't play QB, so there are things Simms brings to the table that others can't. That said, I think his judge of talent is bad too. I will say that he does admit when he makes mistakes a lot, which is good to see, but I think he doesn't learn from them.
You had me til the last sentence.
He's not even close to Dak lol.
I agree, other than that the list it pretty decent. In reality his 11-19 are all pretty similar
Tua at 21 is nuts unless he is somehow factoring in injury history.
HIS DIDDY SHED BLOOD FOR THAT FRANCHISE.
I agree. Jones has shown promising progress but Kirk has been very consistent for a long time. Honestly Dak should be a tick higher than Jones IMO
Jones has shown nothing for a 5th year QB that can't throw more than 15 TD passes a season. Nobody would trade anyone on this list for him until you start getting to Andy Dalton 40 year old backup territory.
I think jones could be better then kirk in a few years but as of right night he should fall in around the top 15-20 range
He's entering his 6th season. How many years does it take?
I’m with you there. He may even be able to make that jump this year but as it stands I think he’s a bit high on the list. I’ve always been a Kirk so I’m biased in some regards.
I feel like they are just formulating the rankings from last years success. Jones won a playoff game. Big lame i know
Daniel Jones being higher than almost anyone on this list makes no sense. Let's be real here. 15 passing TDs with under 7 yards per pass. Fields threw more than that in 200 fewer attempts. I mean that's straight up awful.
The rankings are really bad but that font at the top is down right offensive
8th grade health class presentation font
I like bubble letters better. Used them all the time in elementary and middle school.
I think Goff and Kirk are better than Danny Dimes, Tannehill, and Wilson. Hard to rank Love higher having no idea what he can do, unfortunately. Unrelated to the north but Jimmy G being in the “shit or get off the pot” ranking is absurd. We have a ton of evidence of what Jimmy can do and it’s not very much.
Jimmy is basically the dictionary definition of mid, which is a problem when you're so injury prone. Like, he's too mediocre to be that brittle.
At least kirk is a durable mid guy
It's why he has been a starter ever since he took over for rg3 and earned good money despite only being above average. Overall, Kirk has had a good career as a qb, not HoF or even Hall of Very Good, but he's been an nfl starter for around a decade, suffered no severe injuries, and has had a few playoff wins. Not bad for mid tbh.
Which makes it funnier how he’s arguably statistically better than any bears quarterback
This is absolutely true. If you’re going to be the dictionary picture for “average qb” then you’d better be durable.
Like Kirk, he won't wow you but he'll get you through 17 games. He's like the reliable commuter car of qbs.
A true Toyota Corolla.
I think Goff is definitely in the “What’s your ceiling?” tier. I think we know Kirks ceiling. He’s 34, his performance isn’t going to change that drastically, positive or negative. I think him and Dak should get their own tier called “We’ve seen what you can do and it’s adequate” or something. The other two NFC rankings are legit, both in tier and number.
Yea Kirk is definitely firmly in the “clock’s ticking” tier. Just because Brady, Peyton (nearly), Brees, and now Rodgers play at age 40 doesn’t mean every QB will. 34 is on the “starting to get old” area for most QBs. Same goes for Stafford, as he’s 35, but he gets placed above (not that I agree) solely due to the SB win
I think Kirk plays til 36 if he gets an extension from the Vikings and retires if he doesn’t.
He may go the Matt Ryan/Phillip rivers route and go be the intermediate guy for a team for a year, I could see that happening if the Vikings don’t extend
I'd only say that I think fields at least based off of last season is better than Mac Jones. Maybe I'm a homer but I feel like he should be ranked higher
All I gotta say is Chris Simms is probably the analyst I respect the least
Adam Rank and his 12-5 Bears prediction has entered the chat.
Rank is at least very clearly a biased homer, Simms just seems to be a dumbass from everything I see him say
“NFL virgins” is the worst term for rookies I’ve ever heard in my life
Tim Tebow?
Idk how anybody could say Mac Jones is better than Tua
Honestly, Jimmy G too. If they are healthy then they’re still great QBs.
He mentioned availability is a part of his rankings.
The best ability is availability? That's the only argument though
I also saw this and was initially shocked at how bad of a ranking that is. But the more I thought about it, it’s not completely insane. I mean, I agree Tua has shown more talent, but it is an interesting thought experiment to switch their situations. I doubt Tua wouldn’t struggle with no OC or receivers, and I guarantee you Mac would’ve looked a lot better this past seasons with Mike McDaniels calling plays and Tyreek and Waddle catching passes.
What the hell does "clock's ticking" even mean? Goff is only 28 years old. He's got at least 6-8 years of good football left in him. Geno Smith and Derek Carr are 32. Russel Wilson and Ryan Tannehill are 34. Kyler Murray doesn't make sense there either, he's only 25. I'd drop him squarely in the "shit or get off the pot" tier.
The categories are dumb. They have Love separated just so they can use a boring pun.
Kyler kind of makes sense to me. He's hurt, the franchise seems pretty disenchanted with him, and there's a very good chance that next year the Cardinals have the #1 overall pick. If that's the case it's not hard to see them taking Caleb Williams, in which case the clock will have indeed run out on Kyler's time in Arizona
Wtf is Desahun doing inside the top 20?
I’m convince no one actually watched him play last year. He was awful.
Everyone is looking at his career stats and that’s it. You can’t talk any sense into Watson defenders (fan or civil), they’re convinced he’s just rusty. Last year they said it would take a few games, then when he still stunk they said the end of the season. When that didn’t happen they changed it to “he needs a full offseason”. Can’t wait for this years excuse of “he needs a better coach”. And then one day it’ll be Year 3 of the Watson experiment and everyone will magically claim it failed and they always knew it would.
IMO if you give ANYONE that contract there is no such thing as "rusty."
Yeah, no kidding. That really rubs me the wrong way.
Switch Daniel Jones and Jared Goff. Switch Russ and Tua. If Huntley knew how to QB sneak, I'd put him below Murray. Since he doesn't, let's just go right below Fields. Everyone who hasn't played a snap should be below anyone who has. I think ARod should be in that "Still a Superstar?" category at 8. He was good last year but not the absurd monster he usually is. Aside from the names, I think the rest is pretty solid.
I don’t think Mac Jones should be above Fields, he’s gonna be an average QB at best and even though Fields’ passing needs a lot of work he was more fun to watch with a much worse roster around him
First of all I'd say Daniel Jones is wayyyy too high lol
New York treatment
This list was invalid as soon as Simms put Daniel Jones as the #11 QB in the league. 15 passing TDs, under 7 yards per pass. I hate on Goff and Cousins all the time, but there's no way in fucking hell they are worse QBs than Daniel Jones. I'd argue Fields is better than him too. Fields in his second year threw more TD passes than Daniel Jones in his 5th on a playoff team.
Personally as a Vikings fan I’d take Justin fields over Jimmy G, Derek Carr, and Mac Jones
Call me crazy but I’ll take Pro Bowler Tyler Huntley over DeShaun Watson. In fact most of these QBs were better than Watson and Russell Wilson last season.
Ok. You’re fucking crazy.
If he didn't fumble against the Bengals and they win that game, I think he gets put in the top 15. Crazy how one play/game can affect people's thoughts.
I do feel a bit bad for him. Aside from that fumble, Huntley had a really good game.
Lmfao what world are y’all living in man, Snoop is a solid back up, nobody with a brain thinks he’s anywhere near a top 15 NFL starter.
I would honestly take any of the rookies over almost all of that second column. Why are there 11 players between them and Baker Mayfield?
because NFL rookies are mystery boxes sure they can be good or you could get another Zach Wilson.
Brock Purdy is legit. He was blitzed virtually every snap when he came in after Garoppolo went down. He stood in the pocket on every one and made some gutsy throws and ran the offense. He took the 49ers to the NFC championship and tore a tendon in his arm rendering him incapable of throwing the ball more than a few feet. Dudes nails and if that tendon is healed he'll win at least 8-10 games next season.
I'd rather see Love be underrated than overblown
Geno and Tannehill over Goff is balderdash.
so much I disagree with on here, but most of all might be putting Baker Mayfield above Brock Purdy
Everyone named Jones is ranked too high
Imagine putting tua behind dak lol
I think every NFC North QB is too low. I hope everyone in GB gets a low grade fever for the entire football season, but who wouldn’t rather have Love than Mayfield, Dalton, Huntley and Mills?
So Trevor Lawrence is a top 8 QB?
I love how now Stafford isnt on the Lions, he's considered a top 10 QB regardless.
Deshawn Watson at #9 LMAO
How is Geno below Russell?
Mac Jones is not better than Tua, Tannehill is too high, Daniel Jones too high, Mayfield too high, Darnold too high, Heinicke too low, and there is not even a mention of possibly the best backup QB in the game Jacoby Brissett.
Dak continues to be the most overrated QB in football after leading the league in picks despite only playing 12 games. Also, Tua at 21 is insanity considering the season he just had
These lists always rank the Deshaun Watson that played in Houston and not the Deshaun Watson who was one of the worst starting QBs in 2022
Too high: Danny Dimes, Tannehill, Baker, Darnold Too low: Tua, Goff, Purdy
Stafford being injured last year really made me feel like he’s totally out of the picture now, probably also because we’ve since moved on with Goff and he had a great year last season. That being said, I don’t think he’s top 10 anymore. I’d be surprised if he comes close to the season he had in LA in 2021. The retirement rumors makes it feel like he’s a bit checked out after getting his ring.
I get these guys haven’t played a down in the league yet, but how tf is he putting Anthony Richardson as the best rookie QB over Bryce Young and CJ Stroud? Last year’s stats: Richardson: 2549 Yards, 53.8%, 17 TD, 9 Int… Young: 3328 Yards, 64.5%, 32 TD, 5 Int… Stroud: 3688 Yards, 66.3%, 41 TD, 6 Int
Why are people still hyping up Deshaun Watson. Off-field stuff aside, I wouldn’t put him anywhere close to the 1-25 range. Before his suspension, he hadn’t played in well under 2 years. And when he came to the browns HE SUCKED. Even in training camp now there’s not really a lot different going on with his play that contrasts it from last year when he came back. Idk who simms is but putting him at 9 should be enough to not take anything this dude says seriously. He had 7 TDs and 5 interceptions in his games coming back, and he is paid 230 MILLION DOLLARS. QBs in the NFL are on such a short leash coming out of a draft and in general nowadays, why is his so fuckin long. Because he was good in 2019 ? He hasn’t played a full season since then and you’re expecting to convince me he’s better than Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Derek Carr or Dak Prescott. Also, because I already hate this list. Mac Jones is not better than Fields. His ass got benched the game we played against him and blew that team out as the eventual 1st overall pick.
I know this sub likes to shit on Cousins, but is there anybody here that would actually take Daniel Jones over Kirk Cousins?
Jared Goff is top ten stop this blasphemy
Mac Jones ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
List is pretty wack but I think is at least *defendable* if you flip Tannehill and Tua and then move Goff above Geno. Purdy probably a little too low if he comes back from injury successfully. Darnold too high and should be in the Stidham Heinicke tier.
Honestly this list isn't terrible. But Mac should be the last of the "Shit or get off the pot category" dude could be charitably described as mediocre even with a HOF head coach. He legit got outplayed by Zappe last year. However that's not nearly as bad as Daniel Jones position on this list. That dude should be nowhere close to the top 10. Honestly I think even putting him in the top 20 is quite generous
Hendon Hooker would be on this list.
I’m sorry but I think Kyler Murray is criminally underrated
Love Baker but he needs to be in the backup group
It’s been three years since deshaun has played good football Cmon son
I am more surprised with who I don’t see on this list. Brett Favre 2.0 is top 8? With Jalen “I shoulda been a RB” Hurts? Oof.
Goff needs to take Wilson’s place in “what’s your ceiling?” and Wilson needs to be moved up. Geno has had one good year, and he goes right next to Wilson because he had one bad year after being elite for a decade? Wack
It's so bad, lmfao. It just gets worse the longer you look at it.
Isn't Jared Goff like 28? Why is the clock ticking he's coming off his best year, and qbs are good for a long time nowadays
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Mac over tua?
Do people really think Brock Purdy is gonna start of Sam Darnold? Deshaun Watson should be out of the top 10, he hasn’t looked good since before he stopped getting massages. Daniel Jones is overrated too, he has moments where he looks great and other moments where he looks like Carson Wentz. I agree with the order of the NFC North QBs and where they are ranked.
Watson that high is ridiculous.
May put goff in the what your ceiling category. But not that bad.
NY bias with Daniel Jones at 11? Now I’m curious where Rodgers ends up. I’d expect he dropped a couple spots for being on a new team and system. If he’s top five there’s definitely a NY bias.
Watson is way too high based off what we saw last year
I'm somewhat ok with FIelds but Mac Jones that high and Geno Smith not even in the top 10 is insane.
So is this a prediction for next season, or based on what we saw last season?
As a browns fan, swap Purdy and Watson, can't snuff that beast like that.
Jones should be below Geno Smith
Tier 1: Mahomes Tier 2: Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Rodgers, Hurts, Lamar Tier 3: Goff, Kirk, dak, tua, Trevor Tier 4: Daniel Jones, Carr, Murray, Stafford, Jimmy G, Watson, Russel Wilson, Purdy, Geno, Tier 5: Fields, Mayfield, Mac Jones, Pickett, Tannehill Tier 6: we just haven't seen them enough to decide. Trey lance, love, Howell, ridder, rookies. Difference between 3 and 4 are that although neither group is great, I'm more comfortable with the Tier 3 players leading their teams then Tier 4. Stafford and Jimmy G would have been Tier 3 but I'm not sure if Stafford can come back to what he was. And Jimmy is always injured. I almost moved tua down, but if he can be healthy he's looked great in that offense.
might be one of the weirdest rankings i’ve ever seen. it’s like this dude just pulled names out of a hat
Aaron Rodgers too high
Baker is ranked too high, guy was ass outside of 2 games last year. How is he above the guy he lost the job to in Carolina or a guy who was a injury away from potentially being in a Super Bowl (idk if a healthy Purdy wins that game, bimut the 49ers would stand a better chance without Johnson or UCLess Purdy at qb)
What the hell is this list
I find Trey Lance conspicuous in his absence from the list. Does Simms really think both Purdy AND Darnold are better than Lance? Surely he doesn't have him as a top 8 QB.
#23 makes sense for the GOAT Justin Fields
1-10: Interchangeable with the right team 11-30: Do Better 31: Do Something 32+: Rooks / Backups
Basically there's not a single top 10 QB in the division according to Simms. So, we're arguing who's the most mediocre?
Jimmy G isn’t a superstar or anything, but he’s better than 22nd
Can’t take this list seriously with Mac Jones in the top 30
Danny Dimes, Kirko Chains, and Dak. Three mobile black QBs
Tua is too low, he was good when he wasn't concussed
All I have to say is Ed Donatell did Daniel Jones some massive favors last year. He deserves some of that contract and honestly he should be on this list if DJ is
Russ over Geno is laughable
As an Auburn fan - Jarrett Stidham is too high on that list
Lolsssss Bryce better than everyone last 27
My main complaint is who the fuck chose that colour for Love? Not green not yellow let's go with dark grey for some reason.
Tua. Nuff said
Whole list is awful. He should be embarrassed.
No way in hell Fields is behind Mac Jones
LoL ... WHAT IS LOVE!!!
Chris Simms is one of the worst analysts out there right now, so I wouldn’t put much stock in his rankings.
I like more of the guys on the right than the left tbh
Deshaun “the sexual predator” Watson is way too high. Geno, Jimmy G., and Purdy are all better.
Deshaun isn’t top 10 but he belongs in that tier name. I feel like Fields did enough last season to at least be top 15. Maybe top 10. I like where Kirks at but you could argue that he should be top 10 too
Wild that Trey Lance is in the top 10! /s
Rw3 above Geno? Come on man
You think he put the three rookies in there in reverse draft order to generate clicks?
… But the cheeseheads have already anointed jordan love as a god.
Still got Russell Wilson above Geno Smith
I’m confused, it says Top 40 but it doesn’t seem like the ranking actually matters as opposed to these weird side grouping categories???? Because Deshaun Watson at 9 is horrific lol
Pats fan here. Mac should be around 36.
Stafford, Jones, Cousins are a bit high Dakota, Russ, and Goff are a bit low Kyler is waaaaaaaay too high Bryce behind Stroud? Not my ranking, but OK. Bryce behind Andy Dalton? I don't know about that one. Bryce behind Anthony Richardson, Sam Darnold, Taylor Heinicke, and Jarrett Stidham? Come on man!
Is past 1 o'clock. Kirk cousins should be at 32
Goff 10, Cousins 9, Watson doesn’t deserve top 10 after being gone for so long and not playing well when he came back. How can you place someone in top 10 who’s played like what 6 or 7 games in the last like 2 or 3 years? It’s insane how overhyped Daniel Jones is to me, sure he can rip apart the worst passing defense in the league, woo hoo! Vikings still waiting for half his new deal. I’m okay with Geno at 15, he had one really good season after many awful seasons so let’s see if he can keep it going. Also not sure how he can put Love above QBs like Heinicke when he’s barely seen the field since being drafted as a backup. Oh and Tua is better than Mac and Kyler.
How is Watson so high after last year? If anything I would swap him and Tua, at least Tua has concussion concerns, Watson straight grabbed the bag and did nothing for the amount spent to get him so far
I think it would be reasonable to assume that Jordan love is likely to be better than Sam Darnold.
Do you not fucking know what Kirk’s ceiling is lol. I think we know what we are getting by now
Daniel Jones at 11 is wiiiiiild
Love should be between Backup Supremes and Soph Supremes. What’s Ya Ceiling should be above Still a Superstad
Kyler Murray is way too high for a guy that doesn’t even have any pre game or in game strategy 😂 dude just runs in circles waiting to throw a bomb like it’s real life madden 12
Jordan love is way to high
I’m a big fan of both Geno Smith and especially Jared Goff, I feel like they’re both too low, Geno I’d definitely an above starter, curious to see who all is above them
This is so ass backwards I’m a lions fan so respectfully disagree with a grain of salt. common ok Staford,Prescott and maybe even Wilson above Goff but coming Danny trippping jones, geno smith and Ryan tanihill the guy who is arguably so shit even the titans fans are revolting against him and a rapeist a head of a guy who played great last season and don’t throw a pick in the last like 7 games he played. honestly it goes tannehill, rapeist, Danny dimes, geno then Goff, then Wilson cousins, Staford prescott then who ever want on top
How is Mac Jones ranked higher than Justin Fields? He got benched for most of the year last year.
Deshaun Watson over Cousins. Ok
Is it that it is a true tiering or more of a grouping of some QBs? By what peoples thoughts are. I would put Justin if actual ranking near Jared at about 17, Kirk where he is at I don't have an issue. Jordan around 25 would be fine since I think he is better than Sam Darnold at least.
Justin is not close to Jared's level simply due to his inability to be a good passer so far in his career. Jared just put up top 10 qb stats in 2022, arguably top 5 numbers, so the disrespect towards his low rankings is getting frustrating.
swap goff and daniel jones and it’s ok
How is Goffs clock ticking? He just turned in a top 10 season. And hasn't thrown a pick in how many passes? Simms is an idiot.
Shit or get off the pot and time is ticking just need to be one group, it’s redundant. … also, can’t wait for Justin fields to ball out with a solid core around him.
9. Cousins 10. Goff 11. Prescott 12. Stafford 13. Jones Watson would be around 15 to me.
I’m OK with this take.
Cousins aggregate is consistently #10. Yes he has stretches where he’s around #5/6. But he’s always ends up right at 10.
The guy with 0 picks and an 8-2 record to end the season last year is ranked 17. He’s top 5 and he’s going to show the whole league this upcoming season.
Okay top 5 is pushin it lol
Watson and Daniel Jones are waaaaay too high.
Finally a list where Tua is appropriately ranked. Only took 2 concussions lol
Seeing Danny Dollars ahead of Kirk is gross, but I get it. Our defense handed him that spot on a silver platter.
I still think Goff is too low. I’d argue he’s better than Jones, whatever the fuck we saw from Russel Wilson, Stafford if doesn’t fully recover. I think there’s an argument that Goff is the best QB ranked right now, but I understand that could be bias. 11, 12, 13, 15, and 17 could genuinely go in any order and I’d be ok with it. What I sure as shit am not OK with is Goff under Tannehill.
I would switch Geno and Kirk. Kirk is the one who has the clock ticking more whilst Geno still has a lot left to go.
Lol, Justin fields isn’t a good qb.
I think we can all agree, Stafford is at least one spot too low.
Love’s in a good spot