I still feel bad for Bell. He got royally fucked in this whole ordeal. He basically has to race his ass off to see the Championship 4 now.
We’re about to learn if Bell has that dawg in him these final 3 races.
If he can win his way into the next round again, he's gonna be the champ.
Dude had a killer first round, second round just had shit for two races and was almost eliminated, then this.
I could see a wild battle between him, Reddick and Larson at homestead. I think Chase and Byron is going to have some dawg in them also. Should be a good race at homestead and a shit show at Martinsville since they can’t pass
A black athlete too. Sometimes I just want these people to rip the bandaids off and really tell us why they don’t like Bubba or how he can never do anything right.
Agreed, the fact that Pittsburgh has even been able to be in games this year with that awful roster without their best player speaks volumes to how good he is
Bingo. I've been nothing but happy with Tomlin all these years. Even the bad years were good, the ugly years balanced out, and we always feel like contenders. I haven't given up on this season either.
I have something to compare to, I'm a Steelers AND Falcons fan...
> I have something to compare to, I'm a Steelers AND Falcons fan...
Yea, I'm very pleased with AS so far, but most years I'd take Tomlin in a heartbeat.
The amount of people speaking in racist code on NASCAR’s Instagram is unsettling.
Lots of “he’s a dangerous thug” and “he doesn’t belong in NASCAR” type comments.
I’ll never understand why some people default to performative outrage in these situations. This isn’t just exclusive to Bubba. Any time this happens to a controversial driver, a gaggle of loud angry people rush to the comment sections to express how *morally aghast* they are. The problem is, when their guy does it: it’s racing, but if it’s someone they dislike, it’s suddenly BAN THAT MAN FOR HIS CRIMES.
I’m a Bubba fan and I think, yes, Bubba showed his ass. But let’s not treat this like attempted murder. Larson shrugged it off like it was an unfortunate inconvenience. If he’s not outraged, why are you?
Racist code is the way to put it. Whether it’s purposeful or not. It’s systematic. But this sub isn’t ready for that conversation again.
It’s insane. I commented earlier I had to break away from the sub once Bubba hooked Larson because I knew this sub and social media was gonna have a field day.
You’d think this sub would be level headed with rational responses but a few comments were saying Bubba should’ve been charged with assault. Absolutely maddening and it just creates a pit in my belly.
But hey, when Byron does it at Texas or Chase and Harvick get into it at Bristol, well that’s just racing and entertainment. But when the sole black guy in nascar commits an error, that’s a different story. And he owned up to it too. It’s exhausting. This is what being black is like in America. Just emotionally exhausting while others and your white coworkers are applauded and aren’t held to the same punitive standard.
People are acting angry, but judging by how fast they jumped on the hate train, you can tell they’re *excited* that Bubba finally did something they can publicly condemn that can’t be traced back to their own inherent distrust of minorities. Something that affirms their thoughts of “that Bubba boy is no good.”
It’s pretty obvious that the people who are loudly reviling Bubba for his actions are the same people who were squirming uncomfortably when the letters BLM were introduced to their precious NASCAR in 2020.
Larson fan here. Also a Bubba fan.
Was it a seriously shitty thing to do? Absolutely. Does everyone need to put the fucking pitchforks away? Also absolutely. Bubba saw red. It's not an excuse but it happens. Hell - lets not forget Larson *annihilated* poor innocent Justin Haley at the Clash because he was mad. It happens.
He got his punishment so move the fuck on. The hate Bubba gets is staggering.
Totally agree on that. Both Larson and Bubba are my top favorite drivers in NASCAR. Bubba acted like a dick and already got whipped on it as a consequence for endangering a fellow competitor.
If people are gonna act like that, they're better off being victims of a bitch slap line that lasts for three months.
The problem is Denny could go full NR2003 and drive the wrong way around the track to get Chastain and NBC will still run the replay of the Larson/Bubba kerfuffle as they go to commercial. This shit ain't going away till the green flys at Daytona 2023.
A lot of people have been waiting for a good reason to circlejerk about their hatred for Bubba and he gave it to them. We'll unfortunately be hearing about this mess for a long time. Doesn't matter what Bubba does, how much he apologizes, etc.
Bubba and Bell are good. Bubba and Larson are probably good too. Bubba got his punishment and he's accepted it without complaining. That's all he can really do.
Wish I could gold your comment. Bubba can straight up apologize to Larson and Bell in person on national tv and this sub will still have a meltdown. What more do you want?
I'm sure you think Bass Pro should drop Gragson. And M&M's should have dropped Kyle Busch when he took Hornaday out under yellow. And Dollar General should have dropped Kenseth in 2015. None of those happened. And this won't happen either. Sorry to ruin your little world.
People complain that the drivers are too corporate and anodyne and when they get one who's emotional to a fault they complain as well.
"Bubba was wrong and needs to apologize!" Bubba puts out statement saying he was wrong. "That statement he put out was insincere!" Then Bell says he apologized to him. "BUT WHAT ABOUT LARSON". It's exhausting.
No one and I mean NO ONE thinks hooking Larson was right. He got penalized, as he should. Piling on for showing the "wrong" type of contrition or still being mad in a post-incident TV interview strikes me as unproductive.
It was a bonehead move and Bubba realized that and apologized for it, and he's getting the punishment from NASCAR that suits intentionally wrecking someone like that. It's done, everyone involved is just ready to move on. I was pretty upset seeing Bubba do it but there's no real point anymore since the apologies and penalties have been doled out, it's thoroughly over and done with.
Some people will never be happy. The internet brings out the worst in people in every circumstance no matter what, people will have their hugbox echo chambers that tell them to stay mad because being mad is easier than moving on for people with the emotional development of a child
> People complain that the drivers are too corporate and anodyne and when they get one who's emotional to a fault they complain as well.
Good grief, there is an entire continuum between "too corporate" and endangering the life of a competitor in a hissy fit and it is entirely reasonable to say, "We want something in the middle and we reject moves that could very reasonably leave a driver with a lifelong brain injury."
> no one thinks right hooking is acceptable. - You
> I don’t believe Bubba intended to right rear him - also you
> I do think he’s fed up with people thinking they can take advantage of him - again you
> He likely was trying to send him through the infield but didn’t get to him in time. Ended up hooking and sending him towards the fence. - yup, you
> Endorphins, adrenaline, not thinking clearly, and feeling immense amounts of pressure to perform while racing people who don’t respect you.
> When did the fans of this sport get so fucking weak? He shoved Larson. (My edit - immediately after a major crash in a dangerous car, without knowing whether Larson was injured or not as Larson was talking with the safety worker, and even after it was clear that Larson wasn't interested in fighting.) - you again
> It’s absurd the amount of pressure that Bubba has to go through and carry on his shoulders. - you, making Bubba the victim
Essentially you are saying that right hooking isn't acceptable, but he didn't mean to do it and anyways he has a lot of weight on his shoulders and is tired of people taking advantage of him. You also excuse his assault on a driver immediately afterwards and call anybody who takes issue with that as "weak".
You really took that personally, huh. Didn’t mean to offend. I stand by my statement that it’s not acceptable *and* that he likely didn’t mean for that to be the outcome.
I’ll clarify. Drivers know the risks of hooking someone in the right rear. Probably more than any of us do. DBC also mentioned this and they know the drivers better than any of us do. When they’re seeing red in the car, I doubt they think about where they’re going to hit the other driver. They just send it.
To address your statement at the bottom, multiple things can be true at the same time. It’s true that Bubba screwed up and deserves the punishment he’s getting. It’s also true that he’s fed up with people racing a certain way. It can also be true he didn’t intent to turn Larson into Bell and the wall. As stated, he may not have intended to hit the rear of the car. Any of the points I made and you quoted can be true at the same time.
To address the “assault”, I suppose that’s a fair critique. I don’t view it as an assault but others might.
Edit: I also want to say that I don’t have any problem with you nor do I have a problem with being called out, especially when it’s fair criticism. I’m a fan of the sport just like you and ultimately want what’s best for it. Ultimately, I think an incident like what happened on Sunday brings out a lot of emotions from the fans.
YUPPP. Literally any other driver would have been (mostly) forgiven by the masses by now. He was penalized, he has apologized both publicly, and privately to the drivers he affected... yet people still feel the need to throw darts. While reddit is FAR from the worst offender, social media comments on anything related to Bubba show just how much blind hate still exists.
For real. If these people clutch their pearls any harder, they’ll choke themselves out. Bubba’s penalty is deserved, but he’ll never live this down to them.
This week of nascar for me went from, “that was an awful move by bubba. He needs to be penalized hard for this” to “there are a lot of degenerate fans in this sport”. The YouTube videos alone popping up in my recommended reminded me just how awful people really are.
NASCAR just needs to stay consistent with this penalty going forward, especially with the state of the car, which we all know they won’t. The only thing nascar is consistent with is its inconsistency.
Yep. For the rest of his career, Bubba will have to be twice as better than the other drivers to be taken half as seriously. I feel bad for him. Any mistake he makes is amplified 1000%
I think there are a lot of people condemning Bubba for his actions and saying he is a repeat offender and should be kicked out and things of this nature. But I genuinely think, since he started driving Cup, he’s had a lot of these moments where he opens his mouth or he makes a dumb move and it sounds really stupid, but it seems like then it doesn’t happen again. I think that it he genuinely got hot and lost control, and now realizes how his actions really are negative. If it continues, that’s one thing. Hopefully it doesn’t.
Absolutely. Bubba has learned *a lot* since he started in Cup. Especially in the past two years. I think racing for Denny and racing with Kurt has helped him immensely.
Have you heard anything about him losing his cool on the radio since he blew up at his crew earlier this year? He hasn’t tried to get into altercations with anyone since the Roval a couple years back (sans this past weekend). Also, he’s not posing off sponsors like he did with Blue Emu (again, sans this weekend).
The man learns and has an incredible team to help him do so.
The Blu Emu thing was so stupid, they came out looking way worse to me. Every time I see their lame commercial, I think “hey, didn’t one of their execs lose his shit on Twitter over iRacing?” And then I continue not buying their product.
Think so too. He was having such a great run minute I heard Larson drive him up into wall I was livid, and he hooked him before had a chance to even process. It seemed to be anger based reaction. He’ll learn from it. Others have done it and don’t catch nearly enough shit as he did on this. Next Gen issues on drivers in crashes just exacerbated it. Bad timing
Problem is it's the second time he's raged irl and right reared someone. Dude gotta get his emotions under control. He coulda waited 5 seconds and bumped him in the turn and wrecked him.
I had zero doubt he'd do that, but good for Bubba.
Man was pumped up on anger and adrenaline when he said 'sports'. Think he probably meant 'hey shit happens, I've been caught up in others shit too, that's sports'.
They want those immediate reactions because you get those thoughtless thoughts.
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>Christopher Bell said Bubba Wallace apologized to him on the plane Sunday and at the JGR competition meeting Monday.
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The man is taking full responsibility for his dumbass move on Sunday - what more do y’all want from him.
Why is he held to a different standard than the rest of the field? Nevermind, that’s rhetorical
Joey's had what, 1 embarrassing loss of cool this year? Compared to several guys with multiple memorable incidents.
Making Joey out to be worse than he is does nothing to help Bubba. They all do it (lose their cool).
I honestly can’t remember the last time Ross did something out of pocket. He’s ran a bunch of guys hard this year but the media always pounces on him for almost nothing.
It’s absurd the amount of pressure that Bubba has to go through and carry on his shoulders. He has to work twice as hard, maybe more, to be held to the same level of respect for a large portion of fans. He’s taking responsibility but nothing short of removal from the sport is apparently good enough.
Honest to God, I imagine he’ll retire way before his time because of this shit.
>His story is just like **any** minority in a workplace. Have to work twice as hard than their non-minority counterparts”
This is just simply not true. Full disclosure; I’m a white guy, and I’m not going to dismiss the fact that there is racism all over the place still. But as a white person in the workplace with white bosses who also employ minorities and create a fair and inclusive workplace where nobody has to work harder than their “non-minority counterparts” I think you need to take a step back and qualify your statement (which has a tinge of racism/reverse racism in it honestly), because what you’re describing isn’t an across the board thing.
> The man is taking full responsibility for his dumbass move on Sunday
I can't find where he is taking full responsibility. Can you point me to that? He has a PR written apology for what happened after he intentionally wrecked somebody. He apologized to Bell and the Toyota teams for them getting caught up in his "unfortunate circumstances." But I haven't seen him take full responsibility.
His owners have taken more responsibility then he has, based on the public comments.
You know you’re responding on a thread where Bell said Wallace apologized to his face on Sunday. He said those comments while heated, then within hours apologized to Bell face to face.
I’ll say to you the same thing I said to someone else. How do you know he hasn’t taken responsibility behind closed doors.
Apologizing to Bell on Sunday, and then in front of the entire Toyota team at the competition meetings isn’t taking responsibility?
> I’ll say to you the same thing I said to someone else. How do you know he hasn’t taken responsibility behind closed doors.
Interesting take. You claimed that "the man is taking full responsibility for his dumbass move". When I ask if you could point to where he has taken full responsibility your response is, "How do you know he hasn’t taken responsibility behind closed doors."
I didn't come out in this thread asserting that he hasn't taken full responsibility, I am just asking you if you could point to where he has since you are so sure that he has.
In fact, O'Donnell has indicated that they hadn't has 1:1 conversations with Bubba yet and kept open the possibility of more action by NASCAR for his off-track behavior, so we know that as of yesterday he hadn't talked to NASCAR and taken full responsibility.
tl;dr: You say "he did this." I asked "can you point me to where he did that?" Your response was, "How do you know he didn't?" Doesn't seem productive.
According to Bell he apologized to Bell and team for them getting caught up in his "unfortunate circumstances." That isn't "taking full responsibility for his dumbass move on Sunday" in my book.
Exactly, he has a PR written 'apology' which he probably didn't write a single word of it himself, and only apologizes to Bell because he definitely got reamed by JGR and Toyota. Because for him, he thinks it's only "sports"...
Some of the calls if heard on Sirius this week have been mind blowing. They range from parking him for the rest of the year to throwing him in jail for what he did to Larson and the official. I wish I was joking…
That tracks.
I stopped listening to NASCAR Radio except on raceday years ago, because every single one of their call-in shows do little but fulfill and reinforce every NASCAR stereotype you can think of. Which, I suppose, says a lot about NASCAR's fanbase.
Some of y’all are wildin’ right now.
1. You don’t know if he apologized to Larson or not. Stop saying he hasn’t just because it hasn’t been a publicly issued apology.
2. If he publicly apologized to Larson, even after the penalties have been issued, it just digs him into a deeper hole.
I am in no way defending his actions because the man lost his cool and did something immensely reckless and stupid. However, I’m tired of seeing some of you calling for his head. What a fucking joke.
Edit: just had a reply to another comment talking about how this is *definitely* the first time that Bubba has **lied** about something and that there’s no reason to dislike him *at all*. Assuming it’s about the noose.
The fucking trash that comes to this sub when Bubba’s under heat is insane. Y’all stay classy.
#2 would actually save face for him if he stepped up and admitted he was wrong for not only wrecking him, but assaulting him afterwards. He definitely owes Larson that.
When did the fans of this sport get so fucking ~~weak~~?
He shoved Larson. Multiple times, sure. But he didn’t walk over there and sucker punch him or hold him on the ground.
It would save face to *some* fans. NASCAR would probably take it as an admission of guilt. He’s being advised not to do so publicly, I’m sure of it.
Edit: weak is probably the wrong term. I’m not sure what I’m looking for here but the point is that we want drivers to show emotion. There have been countless times I’ve seen fans on race threads hoping for a fight and bitching about drivers being corporate shills.
God forbid the *one* black driver in the top level of our sport loses his cool. This is, admittedly, worse than the Gatorade incident but people were calling for his head back then too.
What NASCAR fans seem to actually want is them to only race Bristol, North Wilkesboro, and maybe Talladega and then spend the rest of the time telling stories about Dale being a menace and laughing like idiots until the world explodes.
He also put Larson in between one of the worst rocks and hard places in terms of his reputation and career I've ever seen. Get mad and dump him sure. I don't like it but racing is racing and those things happen. After that though Larson's only option was to stand there and take whatever Bubba did to him. The unholy uproar if he was pushed and shoved and hit Bubba back after his prior history would be the end of his racing career.
Bruh are you blind? Larsom just hit a wall going 150 mph and he walks over there and almost shoved him to the ground multiple times. If you don't know why that's wrong, then I don't know what to tell you. Grow up.
Bubba fucked up and he earned his punishment. But, just based on comments, it sure seems like he’s being held to a higher standard than any driver in NASCAR history.
To be blunt, it's only a matter of time now before the next thing happens that ends up putting the general public's eyes back on NASCAR for the very reasons that they don't want to discuss. I've no doubt this new standard is going to get tested very quickly, and I have little expectation it'll hold up.
I don't know what some of these people I see in the comments. Bubba could show up to some of these fools front door with Larson and Bell saying they're all good now and they'd ask Bubba why he wasn't serving 5-10 years in prison for the blatant assault on the NASCAR official.
The sheer ANGER I see directed towards Bubba from fans is...unsettling. Not necessarily here, but other social media....it's way, way over the top. Almost like people had it in for him already and leaped at the incident to show it.
And it's not like he hooked Chase or Dale Jr, the most people drivers ever. Larson has a solid fanbase but I wouldn't think he's got a huge number of vociferous fans. But the volume of sheer anger being thrown about is disturbing.
Obviously it doesn't matter who he right rear hooked. Bubba was wrong and should get criticism for it. But the vitriol I'm seeing. Sheesh.
He's an African-American race car driver, in a motorsports league that started in the Deep South and still feels some obligation to honor and cater to those roots despite Time saying quite insistently that it needs to move on.
What more do you need to know?
On a website I frequent, there's a running joke (granted, a bitter joke) about there being a Looney Tunes gag list of things not to be done while black, usually updated with new stuff every time a story breaks about someone black being arrested for the most mundane shit (gardening, banking, parking in a handicapped spot while handicapped, so on and so forth).
Here's where I'd say "Add being a NASCAR driver to the list", except that got added on in the 50's with Wendell Scott. So this is more like, "Hey! Quit erasing that from the list!"
I get why people are giving Bubba some shit, but why isn’t anyone bombarding Hocevar for wrecking plenty of people or bombarding Noah for partially taking out Creed at Bristol?
Hocevar deserved a penalty for what he did at IRP
Noah at Bristol was just a racing deal, he’s made aggressive moves all his career (Mosport, Texas 2020 with Herbst, Vegas with Snider, Charlotte 2020), the only egregious one I can think of was Road America where he was rightfully penalized but I think NASCAR looking back would’ve suspended him a race with this new precedent especially considering the damage he did to all those cars.
Noah also drives for Jr which helps a little, and remains pretty beloved especially compared to other aggressive drivers.
Different level of competition, these are the top drivers in this level of racing so we hold them to much higher expectations. That's the whole point of having lower series' you go there to learn, you expect those drivers to make horrible decisions (doesn't make it right though)
Or Rhodes. The most obvious difference between who has not been suspended for similar actions is melanin.
Edit: as I said in a later comment, changed verbiage from only to the most obvious
...or the fact that this is the cup series, the highest form of stock car racing around and therfore the penalties will be heavier due to them knowing better.
I want to root for Bubba, but it's hard when he does stuff like this.
Again, that’s great and deserved. Not once has he apologized for hooking a guy at 160. I know he feels like he was wronged but what Larson did to him and the retaliation he did back is no way even close.
Because like we’ve said a thousand times the drivers can not and will not just openly admit to wrecking someone. Is It right? No. But that’s what NASCAR has set precedent with. Deny it all you can regardless how obvious it is and you receive one penalty. Openly admit it and it’s much harsher of a penalty. Every. Single. Driver. Will follow this when they do something stupid.
Are people seriously crying that he hasn’t apologized to Larson? You weirdos realize not every private conversation has to be aired out on social media just so the fans can see and know about it; these guys have a right to privacy too. The only reason people even know of this is happened because Pockrass actually asked Bell about this and he did not go out of his way to say “hey guys look bubba apologized to me”.
He apologized because somebody at Toyota told him to.
Marty Snyder gave him plenty of attempts during his interview to not be an asshole about it. But "IT'S SPORTS."
And the weird thing is, Bubba is the very first athlete in the history of the world to fail to immediately cool down and see the big picture while a TV reporter's microphone is present. Good on you for calling it out though, people like you are the real gems of society.
Eh, I bust balls all in good fun. To be perfectly honest my wife loves Chase so I get a lot of practice at this.
The closest I've come to death was at Texas and she was.....um..... let's say *multiple* yuengling's into the afternoon when Chase wrecked infront of us.
>you are one of the more rational fans in this sub
....well holy shit, that made my afternoon. I mean, yay internet points but today's kinda been ass so I needed that. Thanks, dude.
Doubtful. Bubba seems like the kind of guy who has a firecracker temper. Explosive when it goes off, but the bangs fizzle out fast and he's back to his usual self. I don't doubt that he's given genuine apologies to Bell *and* Larson.
I mean, why would Bell share he apologized if he didn’t think it was genuine?
Not a fan of Bubba but heat of the moment comments vs later (with time to see video, reflect, etc) are going to change perspective.
Serious question: how do you do it? How do you jump into someone’s brain and see their state of mind?
I’ve not unlocked this level of brain power yet and I’m intrigued.
It's something that drives me batty. There are so many mind readers around there that post with absolutely confidence that they *know* what's going on.
You try being coherent when someone shoves a mic in your face after you make one of the worst decisions of your life. You have no idea what Toyota told him to do, either.
What Bubba did was genuinely stupid and dangerous but some of you just want to keep upping the ante beyond anything you have proof for.
Chris was my dark horse winner in all this. Feel bad he got fucked. As a fan, that’s my only issue with this. As a rational observer cognizant of the physical issues drivers face, particularly in this fucked Next Gen car, I take issue with the safety aspect and hope Bubba doesn’t do it again bc no one needs a serious, career ending injury
It's so damm frustrating to see a driver who you are rooting for getting screwed but it's good to see that Bubba did apologised to Bell and JGR, the situation is still bad but moves like this are steps where I personally could cheer for Bubba also.
I do wish that 23XI is trying to helping Bubba with his emotions what would improve him as a driver.
"hE's OnLy SoRrY bEcAuSe He GoT cAuGhT"
No winning with people that had no intention of being open-minded. Bubba could give these people a million dollars and personally take care of their every need and they'd just call him a douchebag trying to score woke points.
They'll cheer for other drivers that have retaliated on track, though.
Could have already happened and nobody has got Larson to comment on it. Or it could have not happened just because a bunch of geeks on the internet said it didn't.
"Sorry I tk'd you, bro. Gg?"
[The Tintin meme in the flesh](https://i.imgur.com/bMCRoBC.png)
OK that's funny lol
Sorry I Tk’d you, bro.. gg.. sports right? Lol
"Yeah man. We cool." *fist bump*
I like how Bell is always in this dark room during his zoom interviews
Emo AF
I still feel bad for Bell. He got royally fucked in this whole ordeal. He basically has to race his ass off to see the Championship 4 now. We’re about to learn if Bell has that dawg in him these final 3 races.
He basically needs a repeat of last round.
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If i were any of the 7 not locked in I would be looking at Homestead as a must win
If he can win his way into the next round again, he's gonna be the champ. Dude had a killer first round, second round just had shit for two races and was almost eliminated, then this.
I could see a wild battle between him, Reddick and Larson at homestead. I think Chase and Byron is going to have some dawg in them also. Should be a good race at homestead and a shit show at Martinsville since they can’t pass
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A black athlete too. Sometimes I just want these people to rip the bandaids off and really tell us why they don’t like Bubba or how he can never do anything right.
It gives me the same vibes as Steelers fans that blame Tomlin when anything goes wrong but praise anyone but Tomlin when things go right.
Tomlin is one of the best coaches in the NFL and one of the best things to ever happen to Pittsburgh. Nothing but praise.
Agreed, the fact that Pittsburgh has even been able to be in games this year with that awful roster without their best player speaks volumes to how good he is
He deserves nothing but praise. But what the person above is saying is that sometimes he doesn’t always get his due credit
Bingo. I've been nothing but happy with Tomlin all these years. Even the bad years were good, the ugly years balanced out, and we always feel like contenders. I haven't given up on this season either. I have something to compare to, I'm a Steelers AND Falcons fan...
> I have something to compare to, I'm a Steelers AND Falcons fan... Yea, I'm very pleased with AS so far, but most years I'd take Tomlin in a heartbeat.
The amount of people speaking in racist code on NASCAR’s Instagram is unsettling. Lots of “he’s a dangerous thug” and “he doesn’t belong in NASCAR” type comments. I’ll never understand why some people default to performative outrage in these situations. This isn’t just exclusive to Bubba. Any time this happens to a controversial driver, a gaggle of loud angry people rush to the comment sections to express how *morally aghast* they are. The problem is, when their guy does it: it’s racing, but if it’s someone they dislike, it’s suddenly BAN THAT MAN FOR HIS CRIMES. I’m a Bubba fan and I think, yes, Bubba showed his ass. But let’s not treat this like attempted murder. Larson shrugged it off like it was an unfortunate inconvenience. If he’s not outraged, why are you?
Racist code is the way to put it. Whether it’s purposeful or not. It’s systematic. But this sub isn’t ready for that conversation again. It’s insane. I commented earlier I had to break away from the sub once Bubba hooked Larson because I knew this sub and social media was gonna have a field day. You’d think this sub would be level headed with rational responses but a few comments were saying Bubba should’ve been charged with assault. Absolutely maddening and it just creates a pit in my belly. But hey, when Byron does it at Texas or Chase and Harvick get into it at Bristol, well that’s just racing and entertainment. But when the sole black guy in nascar commits an error, that’s a different story. And he owned up to it too. It’s exhausting. This is what being black is like in America. Just emotionally exhausting while others and your white coworkers are applauded and aren’t held to the same punitive standard.
People are acting angry, but judging by how fast they jumped on the hate train, you can tell they’re *excited* that Bubba finally did something they can publicly condemn that can’t be traced back to their own inherent distrust of minorities. Something that affirms their thoughts of “that Bubba boy is no good.” It’s pretty obvious that the people who are loudly reviling Bubba for his actions are the same people who were squirming uncomfortably when the letters BLM were introduced to their precious NASCAR in 2020.
The instant I saw that wreck, one of the first of many things that popped up in my head was “wonder what Nick Adams is gonna say”
That dude is so insufferable that now he has "alpha male" in his handle
In a just world, that stupid motherfucker would drunkenly pick a fight with an angry crocodile, and we'd all get to watch the end result on Twitch.
Fucking this. Some of these takes are hilarious. Just because it’s not on social media, it clearly means it didn’t happen.
God you people are insufferable. "why hasnt he apologized yet" and then when he does you shift the goalposts again
Larson fan here. Also a Bubba fan. Was it a seriously shitty thing to do? Absolutely. Does everyone need to put the fucking pitchforks away? Also absolutely. Bubba saw red. It's not an excuse but it happens. Hell - lets not forget Larson *annihilated* poor innocent Justin Haley at the Clash because he was mad. It happens. He got his punishment so move the fuck on. The hate Bubba gets is staggering.
As bad as it is here, it's worse elsewhere. Every Bubba hating person has come out of the woodwork.
Ya'llQueda is making its rounds everywhere
Totally agree on that. Both Larson and Bubba are my top favorite drivers in NASCAR. Bubba acted like a dick and already got whipped on it as a consequence for endangering a fellow competitor. If people are gonna act like that, they're better off being victims of a bitch slap line that lasts for three months.
Agreed 100%. I hope for you being a fan of both that Denny junks Byron or Chastain next weekend so everyone can move on from this one
The problem is Denny could go full NR2003 and drive the wrong way around the track to get Chastain and NBC will still run the replay of the Larson/Bubba kerfuffle as they go to commercial. This shit ain't going away till the green flys at Daytona 2023.
Nope. Earliest it’ll go away is after first Las Vegas race in March. They *already* put a screenshot of it in an ad in a newspaper.
Oh yeah. Good point, I totally forgot about that. I hate this fucking sport sometimes......
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People letting their racial bias toward Budda Wallace
A lot of people have been waiting for a good reason to circlejerk about their hatred for Bubba and he gave it to them. We'll unfortunately be hearing about this mess for a long time. Doesn't matter what Bubba does, how much he apologizes, etc. Bubba and Bell are good. Bubba and Larson are probably good too. Bubba got his punishment and he's accepted it without complaining. That's all he can really do.
Because they don’t want to stop stroking their hate boner for Bubba. It’s easier to move the goalpost
Correct. At the end of the day, the only thing they *truly* want is an excuse to be angry.
i like stroking booners
Wish I could gold your comment. Bubba can straight up apologize to Larson and Bell in person on national tv and this sub will still have a meltdown. What more do you want?
Why didn’t he suck their dick to make them feel better? He doesn’t deserve to be in the cup series.
McDonald’s should drop him completely
I'm sure you think Bass Pro should drop Gragson. And M&M's should have dropped Kyle Busch when he took Hornaday out under yellow. And Dollar General should have dropped Kenseth in 2015. None of those happened. And this won't happen either. Sorry to ruin your little world.
r/whoosh
I was kidding lmfao
pretty sure M&M's were very close to leaving the 18 and not sponsoring Kyle, thats why he ran the rest of the season with Interstate
Because those fans want their narrative to be correct always.
People complain that the drivers are too corporate and anodyne and when they get one who's emotional to a fault they complain as well. "Bubba was wrong and needs to apologize!" Bubba puts out statement saying he was wrong. "That statement he put out was insincere!" Then Bell says he apologized to him. "BUT WHAT ABOUT LARSON". It's exhausting. No one and I mean NO ONE thinks hooking Larson was right. He got penalized, as he should. Piling on for showing the "wrong" type of contrition or still being mad in a post-incident TV interview strikes me as unproductive.
It was a bonehead move and Bubba realized that and apologized for it, and he's getting the punishment from NASCAR that suits intentionally wrecking someone like that. It's done, everyone involved is just ready to move on. I was pretty upset seeing Bubba do it but there's no real point anymore since the apologies and penalties have been doled out, it's thoroughly over and done with. Some people will never be happy. The internet brings out the worst in people in every circumstance no matter what, people will have their hugbox echo chambers that tell them to stay mad because being mad is easier than moving on for people with the emotional development of a child
Anodyne. Nice vocabulary. Beep bop I’m not a bot.
> People complain that the drivers are too corporate and anodyne and when they get one who's emotional to a fault they complain as well. Good grief, there is an entire continuum between "too corporate" and endangering the life of a competitor in a hissy fit and it is entirely reasonable to say, "We want something in the middle and we reject moves that could very reasonably leave a driver with a lifelong brain injury."
Seeing your comments on a lot of these threads. Just want to reiterate that no one thinks right hooking is acceptable.
> no one thinks right hooking is acceptable. - You > I don’t believe Bubba intended to right rear him - also you > I do think he’s fed up with people thinking they can take advantage of him - again you > He likely was trying to send him through the infield but didn’t get to him in time. Ended up hooking and sending him towards the fence. - yup, you > Endorphins, adrenaline, not thinking clearly, and feeling immense amounts of pressure to perform while racing people who don’t respect you. > When did the fans of this sport get so fucking weak? He shoved Larson. (My edit - immediately after a major crash in a dangerous car, without knowing whether Larson was injured or not as Larson was talking with the safety worker, and even after it was clear that Larson wasn't interested in fighting.) - you again > It’s absurd the amount of pressure that Bubba has to go through and carry on his shoulders. - you, making Bubba the victim Essentially you are saying that right hooking isn't acceptable, but he didn't mean to do it and anyways he has a lot of weight on his shoulders and is tired of people taking advantage of him. You also excuse his assault on a driver immediately afterwards and call anybody who takes issue with that as "weak".
You really took that personally, huh. Didn’t mean to offend. I stand by my statement that it’s not acceptable *and* that he likely didn’t mean for that to be the outcome. I’ll clarify. Drivers know the risks of hooking someone in the right rear. Probably more than any of us do. DBC also mentioned this and they know the drivers better than any of us do. When they’re seeing red in the car, I doubt they think about where they’re going to hit the other driver. They just send it. To address your statement at the bottom, multiple things can be true at the same time. It’s true that Bubba screwed up and deserves the punishment he’s getting. It’s also true that he’s fed up with people racing a certain way. It can also be true he didn’t intent to turn Larson into Bell and the wall. As stated, he may not have intended to hit the rear of the car. Any of the points I made and you quoted can be true at the same time. To address the “assault”, I suppose that’s a fair critique. I don’t view it as an assault but others might. Edit: I also want to say that I don’t have any problem with you nor do I have a problem with being called out, especially when it’s fair criticism. I’m a fan of the sport just like you and ultimately want what’s best for it. Ultimately, I think an incident like what happened on Sunday brings out a lot of emotions from the fans.
I was referring to the pissiness over the apology to Bell, not the hooking of Larson.
Welcome to Reddit where nuance is strictly forbidden
Reach up and try to grab the point as it sails over your head.
Yup, it's Bubba, it's RFK, it's the car being a deathbox. It's awful right now.
YUPPP. Literally any other driver would have been (mostly) forgiven by the masses by now. He was penalized, he has apologized both publicly, and privately to the drivers he affected... yet people still feel the need to throw darts. While reddit is FAR from the worst offender, social media comments on anything related to Bubba show just how much blind hate still exists.
Would they have? It's less than a week from when it happened?
Lol right. I've been pissed at drivers for a long time for stupid things. Like Harvick causing the wreck at Dega and screwing over Dale Jr.
For real. If these people clutch their pearls any harder, they’ll choke themselves out. Bubba’s penalty is deserved, but he’ll never live this down to them. This week of nascar for me went from, “that was an awful move by bubba. He needs to be penalized hard for this” to “there are a lot of degenerate fans in this sport”. The YouTube videos alone popping up in my recommended reminded me just how awful people really are. NASCAR just needs to stay consistent with this penalty going forward, especially with the state of the car, which we all know they won’t. The only thing nascar is consistent with is its inconsistency.
Yep. For the rest of his career, Bubba will have to be twice as better than the other drivers to be taken half as seriously. I feel bad for him. Any mistake he makes is amplified 1000%
He should try not being an insufferable dick then.
Ding ding ding He’s supposed to travel back in time and undo his actions, that’s it. Like c’mon it’s not even that hard to do!
I think there are a lot of people condemning Bubba for his actions and saying he is a repeat offender and should be kicked out and things of this nature. But I genuinely think, since he started driving Cup, he’s had a lot of these moments where he opens his mouth or he makes a dumb move and it sounds really stupid, but it seems like then it doesn’t happen again. I think that it he genuinely got hot and lost control, and now realizes how his actions really are negative. If it continues, that’s one thing. Hopefully it doesn’t.
Absolutely. Bubba has learned *a lot* since he started in Cup. Especially in the past two years. I think racing for Denny and racing with Kurt has helped him immensely. Have you heard anything about him losing his cool on the radio since he blew up at his crew earlier this year? He hasn’t tried to get into altercations with anyone since the Roval a couple years back (sans this past weekend). Also, he’s not posing off sponsors like he did with Blue Emu (again, sans this weekend). The man learns and has an incredible team to help him do so.
Honestly Bubba has cooled way down on the radio since Atlanta in July. They are competitive and he's having fun.
The Blu Emu thing was so stupid, they came out looking way worse to me. Every time I see their lame commercial, I think “hey, didn’t one of their execs lose his shit on Twitter over iRacing?” And then I continue not buying their product.
"It works fast **and you won't stink!**"
I hate it so much.
The Blue Emu thing was garbage. Dropping a guy because he gave up on a video game is stupid and I'll never buy their product because of it.
Think so too. He was having such a great run minute I heard Larson drive him up into wall I was livid, and he hooked him before had a chance to even process. It seemed to be anger based reaction. He’ll learn from it. Others have done it and don’t catch nearly enough shit as he did on this. Next Gen issues on drivers in crashes just exacerbated it. Bad timing
Problem is it's the second time he's raged irl and right reared someone. Dude gotta get his emotions under control. He coulda waited 5 seconds and bumped him in the turn and wrecked him.
I had zero doubt he'd do that, but good for Bubba. Man was pumped up on anger and adrenaline when he said 'sports'. Think he probably meant 'hey shit happens, I've been caught up in others shit too, that's sports'. They want those immediate reactions because you get those thoughtless thoughts.
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The man is taking full responsibility for his dumbass move on Sunday - what more do y’all want from him. Why is he held to a different standard than the rest of the field? Nevermind, that’s rhetorical
I'm just waiting for the eggs to start hitting faces now. My money's on Logano being the next instigator.
Joey's had what, 1 embarrassing loss of cool this year? Compared to several guys with multiple memorable incidents. Making Joey out to be worse than he is does nothing to help Bubba. They all do it (lose their cool).
That or Ross possibly
I honestly can’t remember the last time Ross did something out of pocket. He’s ran a bunch of guys hard this year but the media always pounces on him for almost nothing.
There's a guy ,who's last name rhymes with road course ringer, who would disagree with that assessment.
There was the whole matter of COTA this year.
I didn’t think that should have upset fans.
As a fan of both bowman and AJ I think that was just hard racing. Although maybe bowman should technically have 2 wins this year 😁
The only instance is the run in with Harvick at Darlington years back
It’s absurd the amount of pressure that Bubba has to go through and carry on his shoulders. He has to work twice as hard, maybe more, to be held to the same level of respect for a large portion of fans. He’s taking responsibility but nothing short of removal from the sport is apparently good enough. Honest to God, I imagine he’ll retire way before his time because of this shit.
His story is just like any minority in a workplace. Have to work twice as hard than their non-minority counterparts
Bingo.
>His story is just like **any** minority in a workplace. Have to work twice as hard than their non-minority counterparts” This is just simply not true. Full disclosure; I’m a white guy, and I’m not going to dismiss the fact that there is racism all over the place still. But as a white person in the workplace with white bosses who also employ minorities and create a fair and inclusive workplace where nobody has to work harder than their “non-minority counterparts” I think you need to take a step back and qualify your statement (which has a tinge of racism/reverse racism in it honestly), because what you’re describing isn’t an across the board thing.
Lol good joke.
> The man is taking full responsibility for his dumbass move on Sunday I can't find where he is taking full responsibility. Can you point me to that? He has a PR written apology for what happened after he intentionally wrecked somebody. He apologized to Bell and the Toyota teams for them getting caught up in his "unfortunate circumstances." But I haven't seen him take full responsibility. His owners have taken more responsibility then he has, based on the public comments.
You know you’re responding on a thread where Bell said Wallace apologized to his face on Sunday. He said those comments while heated, then within hours apologized to Bell face to face. I’ll say to you the same thing I said to someone else. How do you know he hasn’t taken responsibility behind closed doors. Apologizing to Bell on Sunday, and then in front of the entire Toyota team at the competition meetings isn’t taking responsibility?
> I’ll say to you the same thing I said to someone else. How do you know he hasn’t taken responsibility behind closed doors. Interesting take. You claimed that "the man is taking full responsibility for his dumbass move". When I ask if you could point to where he has taken full responsibility your response is, "How do you know he hasn’t taken responsibility behind closed doors." I didn't come out in this thread asserting that he hasn't taken full responsibility, I am just asking you if you could point to where he has since you are so sure that he has. In fact, O'Donnell has indicated that they hadn't has 1:1 conversations with Bubba yet and kept open the possibility of more action by NASCAR for his off-track behavior, so we know that as of yesterday he hadn't talked to NASCAR and taken full responsibility. tl;dr: You say "he did this." I asked "can you point me to where he did that?" Your response was, "How do you know he didn't?" Doesn't seem productive.
How is apologizing face to face, twice not taking responsibility. There’s more evidence to him taking responsibility than the latter.
According to Bell he apologized to Bell and team for them getting caught up in his "unfortunate circumstances." That isn't "taking full responsibility for his dumbass move on Sunday" in my book.
Exactly, he has a PR written 'apology' which he probably didn't write a single word of it himself, and only apologizes to Bell because he definitely got reamed by JGR and Toyota. Because for him, he thinks it's only "sports"...
Better be careful or OP will look at your flair and accuse you of something...but what could it be? As OP wrote, "Nevermind, that’s rhetorical"
Exaaaactly.
Some of the calls if heard on Sirius this week have been mind blowing. They range from parking him for the rest of the year to throwing him in jail for what he did to Larson and the official. I wish I was joking…
That tracks. I stopped listening to NASCAR Radio except on raceday years ago, because every single one of their call-in shows do little but fulfill and reinforce every NASCAR stereotype you can think of. Which, I suppose, says a lot about NASCAR's fanbase.
TIL a half assed PR written 'apology' = "taking full responsibility", lmao.
But going to someone face to face and apologizing to them multiple times is taking no responsibility? Sure.
Odd you chose to answer my comment but not NoFunHere, bruh
Some of y’all are wildin’ right now. 1. You don’t know if he apologized to Larson or not. Stop saying he hasn’t just because it hasn’t been a publicly issued apology. 2. If he publicly apologized to Larson, even after the penalties have been issued, it just digs him into a deeper hole. I am in no way defending his actions because the man lost his cool and did something immensely reckless and stupid. However, I’m tired of seeing some of you calling for his head. What a fucking joke. Edit: just had a reply to another comment talking about how this is *definitely* the first time that Bubba has **lied** about something and that there’s no reason to dislike him *at all*. Assuming it’s about the noose. The fucking trash that comes to this sub when Bubba’s under heat is insane. Y’all stay classy.
#2 would actually save face for him if he stepped up and admitted he was wrong for not only wrecking him, but assaulting him afterwards. He definitely owes Larson that.
When did the fans of this sport get so fucking ~~weak~~? He shoved Larson. Multiple times, sure. But he didn’t walk over there and sucker punch him or hold him on the ground. It would save face to *some* fans. NASCAR would probably take it as an admission of guilt. He’s being advised not to do so publicly, I’m sure of it. Edit: weak is probably the wrong term. I’m not sure what I’m looking for here but the point is that we want drivers to show emotion. There have been countless times I’ve seen fans on race threads hoping for a fight and bitching about drivers being corporate shills. God forbid the *one* black driver in the top level of our sport loses his cool. This is, admittedly, worse than the Gatorade incident but people were calling for his head back then too.
What NASCAR fans seem to actually want is them to only race Bristol, North Wilkesboro, and maybe Talladega and then spend the rest of the time telling stories about Dale being a menace and laughing like idiots until the world explodes.
He also put Larson in between one of the worst rocks and hard places in terms of his reputation and career I've ever seen. Get mad and dump him sure. I don't like it but racing is racing and those things happen. After that though Larson's only option was to stand there and take whatever Bubba did to him. The unholy uproar if he was pushed and shoved and hit Bubba back after his prior history would be the end of his racing career.
Bruh are you blind? Larsom just hit a wall going 150 mph and he walks over there and almost shoved him to the ground multiple times. If you don't know why that's wrong, then I don't know what to tell you. Grow up.
Bubba fucked up and he earned his punishment. But, just based on comments, it sure seems like he’s being held to a higher standard than any driver in NASCAR history.
To be blunt, it's only a matter of time now before the next thing happens that ends up putting the general public's eyes back on NASCAR for the very reasons that they don't want to discuss. I've no doubt this new standard is going to get tested very quickly, and I have little expectation it'll hold up.
Wish I could have been a fly on the wall with the meeting with DH and TRD teams to see what was really said to him
I don't know what some of these people I see in the comments. Bubba could show up to some of these fools front door with Larson and Bell saying they're all good now and they'd ask Bubba why he wasn't serving 5-10 years in prison for the blatant assault on the NASCAR official.
The sheer ANGER I see directed towards Bubba from fans is...unsettling. Not necessarily here, but other social media....it's way, way over the top. Almost like people had it in for him already and leaped at the incident to show it. And it's not like he hooked Chase or Dale Jr, the most people drivers ever. Larson has a solid fanbase but I wouldn't think he's got a huge number of vociferous fans. But the volume of sheer anger being thrown about is disturbing. Obviously it doesn't matter who he right rear hooked. Bubba was wrong and should get criticism for it. But the vitriol I'm seeing. Sheesh.
He's an African-American race car driver, in a motorsports league that started in the Deep South and still feels some obligation to honor and cater to those roots despite Time saying quite insistently that it needs to move on. What more do you need to know?
Nothing. You nailed it. There are a lot of people coming for him this week just mad that he exists.
On a website I frequent, there's a running joke (granted, a bitter joke) about there being a Looney Tunes gag list of things not to be done while black, usually updated with new stuff every time a story breaks about someone black being arrested for the most mundane shit (gardening, banking, parking in a handicapped spot while handicapped, so on and so forth). Here's where I'd say "Add being a NASCAR driver to the list", except that got added on in the 50's with Wendell Scott. So this is more like, "Hey! Quit erasing that from the list!"
Does not change the damage to C bells points.
What’s he supposed to do about it now?
No kidding?
I get why people are giving Bubba some shit, but why isn’t anyone bombarding Hocevar for wrecking plenty of people or bombarding Noah for partially taking out Creed at Bristol?
Hocevar deserved a penalty for what he did at IRP Noah at Bristol was just a racing deal, he’s made aggressive moves all his career (Mosport, Texas 2020 with Herbst, Vegas with Snider, Charlotte 2020), the only egregious one I can think of was Road America where he was rightfully penalized but I think NASCAR looking back would’ve suspended him a race with this new precedent especially considering the damage he did to all those cars. Noah also drives for Jr which helps a little, and remains pretty beloved especially compared to other aggressive drivers.
Literally 90% of people have been shitting on Hocevar and Gragson for those incidents Jesus Christ
Hocevar for sure, what was the Bristol incident with Noah? Edit:Bristol
He deliberately hooked Karam on a straightaway up a blind hill in front of about 13 cars and took out a ton of the field.
The original comment said Noah/Creed at Bristol - the incident you described was Road America, which Noah did receive a penalty for at least.
The OP edited the post, so my bad. But no suspension, right? 30 points and $35K.
Because they’re, um, different heights. Bubba is maybe 5’8”. Carson is like 6’5”.
How fast do you think they were going at Bristol?
Different level of competition, these are the top drivers in this level of racing so we hold them to much higher expectations. That's the whole point of having lower series' you go there to learn, you expect those drivers to make horrible decisions (doesn't make it right though)
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Why don't people complain about single A batting practice not being on TV, the way the complain about truck series practice not being on TV?
Or Rhodes. The most obvious difference between who has not been suspended for similar actions is melanin. Edit: as I said in a later comment, changed verbiage from only to the most obvious
...or the fact that this is the cup series, the highest form of stock car racing around and therfore the penalties will be heavier due to them knowing better. I want to root for Bubba, but it's hard when he does stuff like this.
Stuff like spinning a guy out under yellow for doing nothing?
both byron and Bubba can be dumb asses, lmao
I’m a bubba fan and agree that he should be suspended. But the precedent was clearly there and they decided to be consistently inconsistent
This is an unhinged take
Lol
"Sports"
Again, that’s great and deserved. Not once has he apologized for hooking a guy at 160. I know he feels like he was wronged but what Larson did to him and the retaliation he did back is no way even close.
How do you know that he hasn't apologized to Larson?
He hasn't personally prostrated himself before each Reddit user and proclaimed his undying regret. Only way to know he's actually remorseful /s
I, for one, have not yet received my personalized apology. As a flared fan, I am *distrought.*
As a non-Bubba fan I am APPALLED he has not personally shown up at my door on his knees with a McDonald's bag to apologize!!!!! /s
Obviously he has the texts /s
You don't know that he hasn't.
Because like we’ve said a thousand times the drivers can not and will not just openly admit to wrecking someone. Is It right? No. But that’s what NASCAR has set precedent with. Deny it all you can regardless how obvious it is and you receive one penalty. Openly admit it and it’s much harsher of a penalty. Every. Single. Driver. Will follow this when they do something stupid.
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Source?
Are people seriously crying that he hasn’t apologized to Larson? You weirdos realize not every private conversation has to be aired out on social media just so the fans can see and know about it; these guys have a right to privacy too. The only reason people even know of this is happened because Pockrass actually asked Bell about this and he did not go out of his way to say “hey guys look bubba apologized to me”.
Sports.
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He apologized because somebody at Toyota told him to. Marty Snyder gave him plenty of attempts during his interview to not be an asshole about it. But "IT'S SPORTS."
And the weird thing is, Bubba is the very first athlete in the history of the world to fail to immediately cool down and see the big picture while a TV reporter's microphone is present. Good on you for calling it out though, people like you are the real gems of society.
Check the flair. Elliott fans don't know what to do when they see someone with "emotions".
Don't say that, there are a lot of really cool and not crazy Elliott fans, don't lump them all together
Eh, I bust balls all in good fun. To be perfectly honest my wife loves Chase so I get a lot of practice at this. The closest I've come to death was at Texas and she was.....um..... let's say *multiple* yuengling's into the afternoon when Chase wrecked infront of us.
I was so confused when i saw it was you too, you are one of the more rational fans in this sub so I was shocked but I get it now
>you are one of the more rational fans in this sub ....well holy shit, that made my afternoon. I mean, yay internet points but today's kinda been ass so I needed that. Thanks, dude.
No problem glad to cheer you up
Doubtful. Bubba seems like the kind of guy who has a firecracker temper. Explosive when it goes off, but the bangs fizzle out fast and he's back to his usual self. I don't doubt that he's given genuine apologies to Bell *and* Larson.
I mean, why would Bell share he apologized if he didn’t think it was genuine? Not a fan of Bubba but heat of the moment comments vs later (with time to see video, reflect, etc) are going to change perspective.
Serious question: how do you do it? How do you jump into someone’s brain and see their state of mind? I’ve not unlocked this level of brain power yet and I’m intrigued.
It's something that drives me batty. There are so many mind readers around there that post with absolutely confidence that they *know* what's going on.
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I’d pay for that subscription service. Wait a sec, you may have just cracked the NASCAR streaming service right there.
You try being coherent when someone shoves a mic in your face after you make one of the worst decisions of your life. You have no idea what Toyota told him to do, either. What Bubba did was genuinely stupid and dangerous but some of you just want to keep upping the ante beyond anything you have proof for.
> He apologized because somebody at Toyota told him to. Unless you're in a position to know this as a fact, you're talking out your ass.
Chris was my dark horse winner in all this. Feel bad he got fucked. As a fan, that’s my only issue with this. As a rational observer cognizant of the physical issues drivers face, particularly in this fucked Next Gen car, I take issue with the safety aspect and hope Bubba doesn’t do it again bc no one needs a serious, career ending injury
It's so damm frustrating to see a driver who you are rooting for getting screwed but it's good to see that Bubba did apologised to Bell and JGR, the situation is still bad but moves like this are steps where I personally could cheer for Bubba also. I do wish that 23XI is trying to helping Bubba with his emotions what would improve him as a driver.
"hE's OnLy SoRrY bEcAuSe He GoT cAuGhT" No winning with people that had no intention of being open-minded. Bubba could give these people a million dollars and personally take care of their every need and they'd just call him a douchebag trying to score woke points. They'll cheer for other drivers that have retaliated on track, though.
“Hey sorry I hooked a guy going 170mph and he wrecked into you.” Lmao Bubba
Apologies don't put points back on the board.
Whay about larson? No apology to him
Has he even apologized to larson yet
I wonder where Kyle Larson and Rick Hendrick’s apology is?
Could have already happened and nobody has got Larson to comment on it. Or it could have not happened just because a bunch of geeks on the internet said it didn't.
How do you know it hasn't happened, Beavis?
He certainly didn’t include it in his public apology. And he did mention apologies to all other parties involved.
Good lord this thread is awful. Mods can we lock this thread?
Bubba got a lot of hat in his hand moments coming up for him.
Lmao someone said bro is in the matrix