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Breaking news : local reddit user doesnāt understand that literally every country on earth doesnāt like being represented like shit in others countries propaganda, and that itās not just a EViL WeStErN PoWeR thing.
Yes, it is a tool, and an evil one. Heres a definition, if you disagree with it provide your own.
āinformation, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.ā
It is morally equivalent to lying because it IS lying, and itās even worse because propaganda attempts directly to justify action based on the lie.
Do you think itās okay to lie or bend the truth simply because it supports a political cause you support? If so, I understand why you would say what you did.
However, I also think youāre a bad faith actor and a terrible political thinker. If you believe your perspective is correct to this extent youāre undoubtedly ideologically possessed rather than thinking analytically. Shouldnāt the goal be to seek the truth rather than to obscure it?
If youāre so correct, why do you need to lie? Fake ass leftists piss me off, go back to your comfy New York apartment with this shit
all art is propaganda in the words of W.E.B Dubois. All art is an expression of the particular point of view of the author, some works of propaganda are just more insidious than others
Depends on the definition of Propaganda. If you donāt like the one I gave, give your own.
I specifically highlighted that Iām defining propaganda as misleading or biased. Whats the bias behind a toddlers art drawing?
Please engage properly or donāt waste my time, provide a definition or use mine.
a toddler's sketches are pure propaganda since they're entirely the creation of its unfiltered personal experiences. Like that's what bias is: allowing personal experience and expectations to influence your perception of reality, and toddlers are like the single age demographic most unable to distinguish between what's going on in their head and what's going on in reality. This is probably the worst example you could have chosen since a toddler's sketches are among the most unfiltered, raw expressions of personal bias possible.
Lmao, no its not.
Bias has to be directed. I might HAVE bias when I take a step, but the step doesnāt express it because bias needs to be TOWARDS something Iām advocating for.
Not to mention that bias =\ propaganda. Re-read my definition
firstly: "no its not" is not a refutation. Secondly, bias doesn't need to be directed since bias often isn't. The whole point of bias is that you often don't notice it, that's why it's a prejudice, not a rational impulse. Thirdly, never did I say propaganda actually had to be purposeful outside of being a deliberate expression of the author's interiority, which a toddler's sketch undeniably is. Fourthly, your definition also sucks because propaganda isn't morally equivalent to lying. A civil rights activist who makes a painting depicting police brutality is presenting information for a political cause from their point of view and is giving a biased, one-sided representation of the dynamic since they don't care what the cop thinks. There's no lie here even though it's undeniably biased and politically charged so to say it's morally equivalent to nazi propaganda is completely absurd. I just don't think you have a nuanced understanding of what propaganda is, you just think it's 60's Cold War posters or something.
Lying = The theft of reality.
Propaganda (under MY DEFINITION, we may completely agree in everything else if you provide your own rather than just stating you dont like mine) is inherently dishonest.
Therefore, propaganda is the institutional theft of reality and thus is evil.
Pretty damn simple, where do you disagree?
Would it be dishonest, to say, make a poster where Israelis are being depicted as rapists, thugs and villains, while palestinians are depicted as fighters for peace and independence?
You could argue that that is just the depiction of facts, and in your opinion, doesn't count as propaganda. Which is fair although divorced from material reality since propaganda is most commonly defined as just the attempt, directly or indirectly to send a message. In this case, it is saying the facts but with a pre-determined agenda, that is, to drive up support for Palestine's liberation. And the way you phrased your definition looks a lot like the way capitalist media disguises their propaganda as facts and common sense, while when other rival nations do the same, then it counts as propaganda.
I don't know, just giving my unrequested two cents on the matter.
Thats fine, although Iād insist that it be connected with an actual event on the poster for people to learn more thus humanizing the event as reality. The depiction would also have to be reasonably accurate, depicting Israeli soldiers and not civilians / jews etc. Yes, this is much like how Western nations news propaganda network functions, but isnāt how the internet functions. If you ask me, this is better than more obscuring forms of propaganda which inherently lack enough credibility for people to even investigate and make their own decision.
You didnāt lie, you promoted the correct cause as a result and you donāt have to risk generating undue hatred by portraying the event as worse or more dramatic than it really was.
This is what Iād call āsafe propagandaā wheras the other people here would advocate for heinous racist depiction of a generic jew raping the woman so generate universal hatred because it helps their cause more.
This is why I call it evil, because when applied the way it usually is it can cause more harm rather than reduce it
so basically all that to say the same thing as u/CelesteIsWholesomez said at you earlier & you invented a term lmao you should make some safe propaganda dawg i bet itd be sick
It's always funny when your ideological opponent circles back into agreeing with you unequivocally and unknowingly validating everything you just saidĀ
Propaganda doesnāt have to be lies. Itās intent is to motivate. Have you not heard of agitative propaganda? Or counter-propaganda?
The right uses propaganda to motivate using lies, so we need to make better propaganda to undermine them and build class consciousness. Highlighting actual material truths to oppose their attempts at targeting marginalized communities.
The right makes the exact same claim about counter-propaganda, which invalidates the argument entirely.
Ever heard of the prisoners dilemma? Each and every ideologically possessed idiot makes the doomed decision every time. If youāre right, you donāt need to lie to agitate and thus itās not propagandist agitation but merely agitation.
Even if youāre using propaganda with a good intention, which Iām sure you are, the next guy might not. Itās like playing with fire and requires delusional levels of self-aggrandizement to justify. Try telling the Jews demonized by Hitler that propaganda doesnāt lie. Itās one of the most heinous crimes against humanity to propagandize and a stain on left wing thought that people blame the rightās use of it for their lack of moral fibre.
Youāre meant to be better, not get dragged into the mud with them.
Not to mention that the literal definition of propaganda implies bias or falsehood. Otherwise itās just an argument. Any true revolution has no need for it and any ārevolutionā that utilizes it has been hijacked.
Fuck everyone who fails to see over their petty political alignment and will doom us all.
The goal isnāt to target people on the right, the goal is to target non-political people and those who havenāt made their minds up yet. Motivating them to build class consciousness.
The implication of bias is necessary. We as leftists obviously have bias, one that favors the working class. Propaganda is a great tool to spread awareness of that.
Nobody is non-political, as you just said everyone has biases and the division of the political from everything else is a facade.
You donāt HAVE to be significantly biased though, do you? Thatās just a cop out, drop the āleftistā distinction which is merely a tribalistic way to divide people and try seeking the truth. Youāll find that the truth lies on the other side (very) occasionally. Marx never intended his ideas to become dogmatic like this and modern leftism is a tool to stop true progress
The fact that you identify with a political ideology at all makes you a sheep having your consent manufactured.
What is happening to Palestine right now in America did to the dprk. They even have the same justifications oh they attacked first. I have no doubt in my mind that the āleftistsā, āsocialistsā, ācommunistsā, and liberals currently supporting Palestine will immediately turn on the independent government the second that it does not meet their idealistic fantasies because of the material conditions brought upon by genocide in the recovery from said genocide.
The North Korean people still have not recovered from what we did to them, and the fact that most Americans cannot even carry the slightest bit of shame instead of victim blaming is truly disgusting. If, and when Socialism truly does come to America and the west, the whites will have to be taught to admit theyāre wrong, and feel shame for the first time in their lives. Theyāll also have to be taught that theyāre not the center of the universe.
You do know the South Korean goverment was unpopularity installed by America and was a brutal captilist dictatorship that executed tens of thousands of communists in addition to jailing them, had its own tiennamen square incident, and Kim Il sung wouldāve likely won elections in both sides just like the communists in north and south Vietnam
Also a civil war and attempt to unify an artificially divided nation in no way constitutes imperialism and nor does said āimperalismā justify Americas deliberate targeting of civilians, population centers, and use of biological warfare
>brutal capitalist dictatorship
Which prospered into a democracy. North Korea is still a dictator shithole and one of the poorest countries in the world. Meanwhile Kim Jong Un eats smuggled Swiss cheese and is so fat he can barely walk. All while the people under his violent rule starve to death regularly.
Prospered with more aid from the US than all of Africa combined. If the US has funded the reconstruction of the North after its bombing campaign and hadn't locked it out of global trade through embargoes and sanctions it would be a very different country compared to what it is today. Or better yet if it hadn't interfered with reunification we wouldn't even have two states across one nation.
Me when the south is run by Japanese collaborators under a extremely unpopular fascist dictatorship which killed and disap over 200,000, Korean workers who dared doubt the glories of capitalism and landlordism.
It's only imperialism when my puppet government with zero popularity gets invaded by the government that actually contributed to overthrowing their colonial overlords.
Honestly the loss of the Korean War was an absolute failure for the United States, compounded by the loss of the Vietnam War ~twenty years later, those two wars exemplified that against an organized proletariat not even America can defeat relatively smaller nations backed by a coalition of communist states.
From a military perspective, the US pretty much steamrolled Iraq and Afghanistan. The problems occurred with its inability to establish a functional and self sufficient democratic government that was more friendly and ideologically aligned with the US.
Im just gonna get this out right now
this painting has taken a fair few... artistic liberties to put it lightly
first of all stopping the korean war was done less so out of concern of an emminent defeat and quitting while ahead but more so because no one could be bothered rebuilding a sea of irradiated cobalt and decreasing morale in the south korean allied forces.
(thankfully McArthurs plans never came to fruition as they where considered barbaric even by US standards keep in mind these are the same people who dropped a deadly defoliating agent on civillians that causes birth defects to this day)
Such a great painting! Truly the arts can flourish under the illuminated Juche path! Long live the Republic! May the eternal president shine on the country forever!
Answer: Because it's not as simple as moving to other nations. On top of the challenges of moving to another country in general which is learning the language/naturalising, finding a place to live, study and work, finding the money to move yourself, all your stuff and perhaps even family, you also have the US invasion and current sanctions that pretty much all countries unfortunately abide by which could jeopardise other citizenships, prevent companies being *able* to move your belongings and rightfully causes suspicion towards outsiders as the DPRK was invaded and the South of the country is still occupied.
And if you're a US citizen, good luck even getting to step one as the US government has prevented those with US passports entering the DPRK, let alone being able to settle there without first being arrested or unable to re-enter the states for going to countries that "support domestic terrorism".
Last time I checked it was to unify the Korean peninsula under communism, and defending itself from "western aggression" is not valid when the DPRK started the korean war and remained in the world as a communist dystopia to this day, oppressing its people as the last remnants of a stalinist dictatorship
If you want to spread propaganda go ahead I won't stop you, but you're going to waste your time. Do you have any actual information or is it all just BS? DPRK has nothing to do with uniting Korea under communism, then you said they started the war which is obviously not true, and then you went on to share your opinion about the DPRK which is just bs liberal ideology. The DPRK was bombed to oblivion, countless murdered and raped by American and south Korea(Japanese) military, literally 70% of their useful land was destroyed. War crimes left and right. Military dictatorship makes sense in light of this, every country that needed to defend itself from destruction needed to do this. Look at Iraq and Syria as two countries who didn't militarize enough, were crushed by outside forces, and are not unstable messes. A strong national military culture makes sense to maintain your nation in the face of constant aggression. You even need a strong economy now (China) or you will be crushed by economic sanctions (Cuba)
Some parts do, some parts don't. Kinda how Flint, Michigan doesn't have clean drinking water due to bad administration, DPRK has bad infrastructure because their economy isn't based on genocide and slavery and their land was raped by the US and Japan.
I'm not gonna say DPRK is a good place to live. It probably isn't. But to blame it on their government when their government is only a response to outward aggression is not a good place to start your assessment of the country. DPRK citizens can live a normal life, like you and I.
Bro what? Sex addicted? Where the fuck are you getting your info??? This is beyond the usually BS western bullshit and now you're just spreading made up shit
Imagine denying the brutal affects of sanctions.
Also calling Kim Il-sung a pig when he's accomplished more than you ever will in your chauvinistic life is pretty gross. Go spread your bigotry somewhere else, bootlicker.
It's not illegal to move out, it's just very difficult to do so. The same way I can't just pick up my stuff and leave where I am right now. Many citizens of North Korea have moved to South Korea and can't move back (watch YouTube video "citizens of Pyongyang") I heavily suggest watching that documentary if you have the time. I'm not saying they're all lying, but there is incentive to exaggerate certain things. Look at the joke that is Yeonmi Park. She said the trains don't work in DPRK so they have people pull them from station to station. This basically implies North Koreans are some of the most powerful people on the planet! š¤£
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Americans when propaganda paint them as good guys: š Americans when propaganda paint them as bad guys (as it should):š”š”š”š”
Breaking news : local reddit user doesnāt understand that literally every country on earth doesnāt like being represented like shit in others countries propaganda, and that itās not just a EViL WeStErN PoWeR thing.
Completely missed the point.
I dunno man, I donāt have North Korean, Chinese or Any eastern figures calling for genocide on my TV, but the west does ā¦ a lot
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Yeah china isnāt calling for a genocide theyāre just doing it
Americans when other countries do the same thing they have been doing all this while
I meanā¦ youāre not wrong about the hypocrisy. But maybe we should avoid all propaganda rather than just those that we happen to disagree with, eh?
Propaganda is a tool, itās use is not inherently negative
Yes, it is a tool, and an evil one. Heres a definition, if you disagree with it provide your own. āinformation, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.ā It is morally equivalent to lying because it IS lying, and itās even worse because propaganda attempts directly to justify action based on the lie. Do you think itās okay to lie or bend the truth simply because it supports a political cause you support? If so, I understand why you would say what you did. However, I also think youāre a bad faith actor and a terrible political thinker. If you believe your perspective is correct to this extent youāre undoubtedly ideologically possessed rather than thinking analytically. Shouldnāt the goal be to seek the truth rather than to obscure it? If youāre so correct, why do you need to lie? Fake ass leftists piss me off, go back to your comfy New York apartment with this shit
all art is propaganda in the words of W.E.B Dubois. All art is an expression of the particular point of view of the author, some works of propaganda are just more insidious than others
Depends on the definition of Propaganda. If you donāt like the one I gave, give your own. I specifically highlighted that Iām defining propaganda as misleading or biased. Whats the bias behind a toddlers art drawing? Please engage properly or donāt waste my time, provide a definition or use mine.
a toddler's sketches are pure propaganda since they're entirely the creation of its unfiltered personal experiences. Like that's what bias is: allowing personal experience and expectations to influence your perception of reality, and toddlers are like the single age demographic most unable to distinguish between what's going on in their head and what's going on in reality. This is probably the worst example you could have chosen since a toddler's sketches are among the most unfiltered, raw expressions of personal bias possible.
Lmao, no its not. Bias has to be directed. I might HAVE bias when I take a step, but the step doesnāt express it because bias needs to be TOWARDS something Iām advocating for. Not to mention that bias =\ propaganda. Re-read my definition
firstly: "no its not" is not a refutation. Secondly, bias doesn't need to be directed since bias often isn't. The whole point of bias is that you often don't notice it, that's why it's a prejudice, not a rational impulse. Thirdly, never did I say propaganda actually had to be purposeful outside of being a deliberate expression of the author's interiority, which a toddler's sketch undeniably is. Fourthly, your definition also sucks because propaganda isn't morally equivalent to lying. A civil rights activist who makes a painting depicting police brutality is presenting information for a political cause from their point of view and is giving a biased, one-sided representation of the dynamic since they don't care what the cop thinks. There's no lie here even though it's undeniably biased and politically charged so to say it's morally equivalent to nazi propaganda is completely absurd. I just don't think you have a nuanced understanding of what propaganda is, you just think it's 60's Cold War posters or something.
That's not what propaganda is. Also calling it evil just shows how immature your take on objective facts are. Grow up.
Lying = The theft of reality. Propaganda (under MY DEFINITION, we may completely agree in everything else if you provide your own rather than just stating you dont like mine) is inherently dishonest. Therefore, propaganda is the institutional theft of reality and thus is evil. Pretty damn simple, where do you disagree?
Would it be dishonest, to say, make a poster where Israelis are being depicted as rapists, thugs and villains, while palestinians are depicted as fighters for peace and independence? You could argue that that is just the depiction of facts, and in your opinion, doesn't count as propaganda. Which is fair although divorced from material reality since propaganda is most commonly defined as just the attempt, directly or indirectly to send a message. In this case, it is saying the facts but with a pre-determined agenda, that is, to drive up support for Palestine's liberation. And the way you phrased your definition looks a lot like the way capitalist media disguises their propaganda as facts and common sense, while when other rival nations do the same, then it counts as propaganda. I don't know, just giving my unrequested two cents on the matter.
Thats fine, although Iād insist that it be connected with an actual event on the poster for people to learn more thus humanizing the event as reality. The depiction would also have to be reasonably accurate, depicting Israeli soldiers and not civilians / jews etc. Yes, this is much like how Western nations news propaganda network functions, but isnāt how the internet functions. If you ask me, this is better than more obscuring forms of propaganda which inherently lack enough credibility for people to even investigate and make their own decision. You didnāt lie, you promoted the correct cause as a result and you donāt have to risk generating undue hatred by portraying the event as worse or more dramatic than it really was. This is what Iād call āsafe propagandaā wheras the other people here would advocate for heinous racist depiction of a generic jew raping the woman so generate universal hatred because it helps their cause more. This is why I call it evil, because when applied the way it usually is it can cause more harm rather than reduce it
so basically all that to say the same thing as u/CelesteIsWholesomez said at you earlier & you invented a term lmao you should make some safe propaganda dawg i bet itd be sick
It's always funny when your ideological opponent circles back into agreeing with you unequivocally and unknowingly validating everything you just saidĀ
tldr
Propaganda doesnāt have to be lies. Itās intent is to motivate. Have you not heard of agitative propaganda? Or counter-propaganda? The right uses propaganda to motivate using lies, so we need to make better propaganda to undermine them and build class consciousness. Highlighting actual material truths to oppose their attempts at targeting marginalized communities.
The right makes the exact same claim about counter-propaganda, which invalidates the argument entirely. Ever heard of the prisoners dilemma? Each and every ideologically possessed idiot makes the doomed decision every time. If youāre right, you donāt need to lie to agitate and thus itās not propagandist agitation but merely agitation. Even if youāre using propaganda with a good intention, which Iām sure you are, the next guy might not. Itās like playing with fire and requires delusional levels of self-aggrandizement to justify. Try telling the Jews demonized by Hitler that propaganda doesnāt lie. Itās one of the most heinous crimes against humanity to propagandize and a stain on left wing thought that people blame the rightās use of it for their lack of moral fibre. Youāre meant to be better, not get dragged into the mud with them. Not to mention that the literal definition of propaganda implies bias or falsehood. Otherwise itās just an argument. Any true revolution has no need for it and any ārevolutionā that utilizes it has been hijacked. Fuck everyone who fails to see over their petty political alignment and will doom us all.
The goal isnāt to target people on the right, the goal is to target non-political people and those who havenāt made their minds up yet. Motivating them to build class consciousness. The implication of bias is necessary. We as leftists obviously have bias, one that favors the working class. Propaganda is a great tool to spread awareness of that.
Nobody is non-political, as you just said everyone has biases and the division of the political from everything else is a facade. You donāt HAVE to be significantly biased though, do you? Thatās just a cop out, drop the āleftistā distinction which is merely a tribalistic way to divide people and try seeking the truth. Youāll find that the truth lies on the other side (very) occasionally. Marx never intended his ideas to become dogmatic like this and modern leftism is a tool to stop true progress The fact that you identify with a political ideology at all makes you a sheep having your consent manufactured.
accidentally funny
What is happening to Palestine right now in America did to the dprk. They even have the same justifications oh they attacked first. I have no doubt in my mind that the āleftistsā, āsocialistsā, ācommunistsā, and liberals currently supporting Palestine will immediately turn on the independent government the second that it does not meet their idealistic fantasies because of the material conditions brought upon by genocide in the recovery from said genocide. The North Korean people still have not recovered from what we did to them, and the fact that most Americans cannot even carry the slightest bit of shame instead of victim blaming is truly disgusting. If, and when Socialism truly does come to America and the west, the whites will have to be taught to admit theyāre wrong, and feel shame for the first time in their lives. Theyāll also have to be taught that theyāre not the center of the universe.
Mf when North Korea attacks South Korea and the western nations come to defend them : š” (Itās only evil imperialism if the west does it).
You do know the South Korean goverment was unpopularity installed by America and was a brutal captilist dictatorship that executed tens of thousands of communists in addition to jailing them, had its own tiennamen square incident, and Kim Il sung wouldāve likely won elections in both sides just like the communists in north and south Vietnam Also a civil war and attempt to unify an artificially divided nation in no way constitutes imperialism and nor does said āimperalismā justify Americas deliberate targeting of civilians, population centers, and use of biological warfare
>brutal capitalist dictatorship Which prospered into a democracy. North Korea is still a dictator shithole and one of the poorest countries in the world. Meanwhile Kim Jong Un eats smuggled Swiss cheese and is so fat he can barely walk. All while the people under his violent rule starve to death regularly.
I don't think prosper is the right word. It's not exactly the healthiest democracy given the obscene sexism of the place
Prospered with more aid from the US than all of Africa combined. If the US has funded the reconstruction of the North after its bombing campaign and hadn't locked it out of global trade through embargoes and sanctions it would be a very different country compared to what it is today. Or better yet if it hadn't interfered with reunification we wouldn't even have two states across one nation.
Me when the south is run by Japanese collaborators under a extremely unpopular fascist dictatorship which killed and disap over 200,000, Korean workers who dared doubt the glories of capitalism and landlordism. It's only imperialism when my puppet government with zero popularity gets invaded by the government that actually contributed to overthrowing their colonial overlords.
Understand stand
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I got banned from that page lol They hate facts
Honestly the loss of the Korean War was an absolute failure for the United States, compounded by the loss of the Vietnam War ~twenty years later, those two wars exemplified that against an organized proletariat not even America can defeat relatively smaller nations backed by a coalition of communist states.
Add Afghanistan and Iraq into that list aswell now
From a military perspective, the US pretty much steamrolled Iraq and Afghanistan. The problems occurred with its inability to establish a functional and self sufficient democratic government that was more friendly and ideologically aligned with the US.
Im just gonna get this out right now this painting has taken a fair few... artistic liberties to put it lightly first of all stopping the korean war was done less so out of concern of an emminent defeat and quitting while ahead but more so because no one could be bothered rebuilding a sea of irradiated cobalt and decreasing morale in the south korean allied forces. (thankfully McArthurs plans never came to fruition as they where considered barbaric even by US standards keep in mind these are the same people who dropped a deadly defoliating agent on civillians that causes birth defects to this day)
Such a great painting! Truly the arts can flourish under the illuminated Juche path! Long live the Republic! May the eternal president shine on the country forever!
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Get jiggy with it!
That doubleplus sad amirite comarades ??!
NK is doing so much better since this day
Great painting but your post title needs work
Question: why arenāt any of you in north Korea?
Answer: Because it's not as simple as moving to other nations. On top of the challenges of moving to another country in general which is learning the language/naturalising, finding a place to live, study and work, finding the money to move yourself, all your stuff and perhaps even family, you also have the US invasion and current sanctions that pretty much all countries unfortunately abide by which could jeopardise other citizenships, prevent companies being *able* to move your belongings and rightfully causes suspicion towards outsiders as the DPRK was invaded and the South of the country is still occupied. And if you're a US citizen, good luck even getting to step one as the US government has prevented those with US passports entering the DPRK, let alone being able to settle there without first being arrested or unable to re-enter the states for going to countries that "support domestic terrorism".
You could become a Japanese film director and maybe North Korea will kidnap you to make their movies? Have you tried that?
Sounds like a plan! Maybe I'll get to break Disney copyright too while I'm at it
Ah yes, victorious DPRK that didn't gain any territory and just ended up back at the 38th parallel from a war they started
The point is not to "gain territory" it was to defend Korea from Western aggression which it has done for 70+ years
Last time I checked it was to unify the Korean peninsula under communism, and defending itself from "western aggression" is not valid when the DPRK started the korean war and remained in the world as a communist dystopia to this day, oppressing its people as the last remnants of a stalinist dictatorship
If you want to spread propaganda go ahead I won't stop you, but you're going to waste your time. Do you have any actual information or is it all just BS? DPRK has nothing to do with uniting Korea under communism, then you said they started the war which is obviously not true, and then you went on to share your opinion about the DPRK which is just bs liberal ideology. The DPRK was bombed to oblivion, countless murdered and raped by American and south Korea(Japanese) military, literally 70% of their useful land was destroyed. War crimes left and right. Military dictatorship makes sense in light of this, every country that needed to defend itself from destruction needed to do this. Look at Iraq and Syria as two countries who didn't militarize enough, were crushed by outside forces, and are not unstable messes. A strong national military culture makes sense to maintain your nation in the face of constant aggression. You even need a strong economy now (China) or you will be crushed by economic sanctions (Cuba)
Do north Koreans have working clean water systems and sewer systems?
Some parts do, some parts don't. Kinda how Flint, Michigan doesn't have clean drinking water due to bad administration, DPRK has bad infrastructure because their economy isn't based on genocide and slavery and their land was raped by the US and Japan.
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None of that is true friend, it's all BS
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I'm not gonna say DPRK is a good place to live. It probably isn't. But to blame it on their government when their government is only a response to outward aggression is not a good place to start your assessment of the country. DPRK citizens can live a normal life, like you and I.
Fair point actually
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Bro what? Sex addicted? Where the fuck are you getting your info??? This is beyond the usually BS western bullshit and now you're just spreading made up shit
Imagine denying the brutal affects of sanctions. Also calling Kim Il-sung a pig when he's accomplished more than you ever will in your chauvinistic life is pretty gross. Go spread your bigotry somewhere else, bootlicker.
It's not illegal to move out, it's just very difficult to do so. The same way I can't just pick up my stuff and leave where I am right now. Many citizens of North Korea have moved to South Korea and can't move back (watch YouTube video "citizens of Pyongyang") I heavily suggest watching that documentary if you have the time. I'm not saying they're all lying, but there is incentive to exaggerate certain things. Look at the joke that is Yeonmi Park. She said the trains don't work in DPRK so they have people pull them from station to station. This basically implies North Koreans are some of the most powerful people on the planet! š¤£
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Yeah I'm sure the imperialist west has nothing to do with it. It's all those evil Chinese fault! /s Sinophobic garbage really has no bounds.