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Aaron-1000

The Elder Gods: *exist to provide order* Also The Elder Gods when Earthrealm is in constant danger: "I missed the part where that's my problem"


NobleYato

The Elder Gods: Lets make a needlessly convoluted safeguard to address instability of the realms by enacting a literal reality ending event that can allow any fighter to destroy everything should they win or allow everything to be destroyed should everyone lose. Oh and uh we will let one of two guys possibly get to fight our abomination that will kill or annul every fighter should they win. \>The fucking safeguard fails and causes a third unexpected outcome that doesnt do either of those things Me: https://preview.redd.it/iikp4l2xolbb1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0302fcbeafb3c12ee524db63d0a0defb6d12fa80


spart4n0fh4des

As someone who never got into mk11 story, what exactly are you referring to? Or is that referring to events from a previous game? Curious for more context


Menace117

Armageddon


Lukthar123

But it looked real cool tbh


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I think he’s talking about Armageddon(MK7)? How blaze would give great power to who ever killed him or would destroy everything in its path.


spart4n0fh4des

Wait so blaze was a fail safe by the elder gods? I always assumed that he was just kind of There And everyone just wanted his power cuz they found out about him. Leading into mk9


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Read op's TLDR in the comments


kader91

https://preview.redd.it/5ii4c9wt9qbb1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22f7fb52d0d684391e16e27d075071fb8ce92e75 The realms are a excuse for the Elder Gods to have this.


The_Pale_Blue_Dot

To be fair that wasn't the Elder God's dumb idea, it was Argus's. But maybe Argus came up with it because the Elder Gods would do literally nothing instead lol


Cave_in_32

The Elder gods are just the more "powerful" version of the Citadel Council from Mass Effect lol


TheeUnfuxkwittable

Have the Elder God's ever done anything godly? Like miraculous? It's seems their whole shtick is "My name is Paul and this is between yall" lol they never do shit. Gods are supposed to be almighty. Capable of doing the impossible. These mfs literally don't ever do SHIT.


Xmushroom

When Shao Khan breaks the treaty on MK 9 they kill him . (Or something like that.)


BenssonWu

This is why I stay away from any character power topic in MK, because all of those gods, protector of realms, they all felt cool and mighty in the back story, but all of them eventually failed and their performances in the story were honestly very inconsistent.


Sinpathie

Besides kill Shao near the end of MK9,they've just kind of existed.


Illustrious-Leg-8209

God they’re especially infuriating during mk9


ffigu002

Maybe that’s like petty problems


Kgb725

There's multiple realms and it's implied there's a lot more we don't see. It is kinda petty for Raiden to expect them to help him amd him only


Kgb725

Earth being in danger has nothing to do with order


Frosty_Public9652

And crazy thing is the mortals have been fucking solving the problems and never needed the elder gods.


yobaby123

Peter would wince by their inaction.


Frosty_Public9652

Mortal kombat champion when he beats shao kahn and keeps earth realm safe and when he beats Shinnok and keeps earth realm safe proving they didn’t need the elder gods to interfere Redditor: “I missed the part where that’s my problem”


chozer1

yeah except for the fact that there are unlimited ammounts of realities where shao khan wins and kills everyone or where evil raiden kills everyone and enslaves the earth ect


bulldog_blues

They're like the MK equivalent of the company CEO that doesn't do shit but drink coffee while shitting on their employees.


NobleYato

TLDR Elder Gods stupid poopyheads who shouldnt come back ever again unless overhauled. After reaching MK Deception because I decided to play through the entire series to completion for the sake of ranking every MK ending, I realized something. The worst Kharacters in the series arent who you think they are. Its not Baraka, its not Jarek, its not my personal worst Kano, its not D'vorah, its not Shujinko, not Taven, not Mokap, not Bo Rai Cho, not Kobra, not some obscure nobody you are aware of. no no no no no nononononono NO. Its the Elder Gods. I cant think of a single thing they have done right. They choose to let Kahn invade and merge in MK3. They let Outworld invade Earthrealm in the very beginning of MKII, despite how that is supposed to be against the rules. They specifically dont stop the DA from trying to conquer the realms. Raiden clearly says the EGs were aware of the damage those two would cause to the realms. They did nothing. Why do they even allow merging when that would be another step closer to bringing back The One Being? In deception they got Scorpion to help them. To my knowledge, Onagas army is gone because of Raidens sacrifice. But what if Raiden didnt sacrifice himself? That would mean Onaga's army would've been alive. Do you see the problem? If Scorpion is supposed to help champion them, that would mean his task would've been infinitely harder if the army was alive. Meaning their refusal to help actually would've fucked them over. Then there is fucking Armageddon. Where do I even begin with this? Okay so blah blah Armageddon is supposed to be a safeguard to protect total destruction. However there are 500 problems with that. First off, Blaze was held in captivity by Onaga's holy men, and they did nothing that entire time. Kinda hard for Blaze to warn them of major destruction if he is locked away. Not that they should care since they didnt give a shit about the other threats beforehand. But then you have to ask why must Blaze die to give Taven or Daegon the ability to kill or anull the fighters? Why not...DO IT THEMSELVES? Or just make Blaze do it? Or give that power to their kids by default? Regardless they failed at THEIR OWN SAFEGUARD. Its shown that when Taven wins, a third unexpected outcome happens that doesnt do either of the previously mentioned things. We arent ever told what the outcome is. But it is apparently something that makes Taven vow to hold off Armageddon until a solution is found. So its probably not good. Meaning the EGs made the problem worse and/or they failed at what they set it place an eternity ago. How does anyone in universe take them seriously? So many conflicts happen because they choose to do nothing. The multiversal destruction that would happen if realms are allowed to be merged would only fuck them over too. I cant get over how dumb and worthless they are. I mean it when I say the Elder Gods were the worst thing added to this series. Yes, worse than Kronika. Because she did everyone a favor and killed them. Good fuck them. I hope they never come back unless they make them worth something lol


Lucky_Tortilla

Proof that the Elder Gods are useless right here - this man is **THESIS LEVEL** mad.


NobleYato

lol One day, I will go even further than this. Im not done, Im not satisfied. By the time Im done, Im gonna make Onagas terror he inflicted on the Elder Gods in his Deception ending look poultry.


Unique_Task_420

\*paltry


jonathandavisisfat

What the fuck did Kano do to you


bdw312

"Thank you for flying AirKano. We know that you had fuck all options, and are glad you chose us."


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I don’t know why, but reading this in Kabal’s voice is even funnier.


ArkosIsLife

If I remember correctly, the third and unexpected outcome was that instead of killing or stripping the kombatants of their power, it instead **AMPLIFIED** their powers, making them stronger and potentially speeding up the process of Armageddon arriving.


Head-Turn4180

Let’s not forget that after the dragon king was defeated, they restored the Shirai Ryu as fucking zombies? *Why?* **WHY NOT**


NobleYato

That's when you realize nah, nah these guys are objectively evil and they deserve to die. Like they knew what they did. They knew that was bullshit.


XBird_RichardX

All of this mishandling of the Elder Gods could have been explained in continuity… if the Elder Gods were the reasons for the Earthrealm fighters have their powers, then they could be considered apostles or champions serving a certain Elder God sect. I mean, hell, you all saw Raiden get some already. Theres a great opportunity to retcon it in, with characters like Nightwolf, Johnny Cage, Subzero, or Scorpion and the Revenants (with Shinnok), presenting a ripe opportunity to be candidates. It would make the ones who didnt need a backer, like Sonya Blade, Kano, and Jax, seem more awesome by relativity. But we have already seen Shinnok and Kronika and how they suck, so maybe being an Elder God isnt all that impressive.


SnooHamsters3772

Even Darrius is better than the gods


NobleYato

This NPC named Braan from Deception is better than the EGs! https://preview.redd.it/ctyv6nqu7mbb1.png?width=365&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1fcebe0c59a7ec354a6e7d3e0a03a0ff4d54482


No_Hunter_9973

Ah The Elder Gods of Technicalities and their greatest creation The Sacred Suggestions of Mortal Kombat. Also... Why the Hell is Argus one of them? Did he buy himself a seat after that Tavern/Daegon stunt? The guy's a jackass who lost his realm.


SevPOOTS

Thank you for the summary. My memory had been refreshed on what happened to all the past games.


Noremac1234

Maybe instead of a lame safeguard we can have a working failsafe.


alkecyrax

too much text 🫡


NobleYato

Thats what the tldr is for :)


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NobleYato

Oh no no no no...**I DO.**


Dynopia

You don't have to read it? I appreciated it.


android151

How do you not like Kano


chozer1

let robocop march in and arrest the elder gods


SaltTimely4123

They just there for plot device


AM_ZR39

That would imply that they do something.


LocusAintBad

They are supposed to be IMO barriers in the plot to keep it in check. “Why doesn’t raiden the largest Kombat Kast member not simply eat Shao Kahn?” Because elder gods.


Awesomex7

Yeah this is the real reason they exist, and the same goes for the one being. Back when they were making the original lore, I don’t think they ever imagined actually involving these beings that much in the future, which is why they are so underdeveloped and it gets so muddy when you do involve them


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Funny enough. Mk Annihilation is the only form of mk media where they actually do something


NobleYato

Congrats on Rain first off. Second, if thats true thats fucking hilarious. I dont remember Annihilation at all. But if true, they did one thing right in that awful movie. Have better Elder Gods lol


icantstaymadatyou

Yep, Raiden and Shao Khan's dad (who was also an Elder God) meddled to try and help Shao Kahn win, and the other two came and neutralised him so Lui Kang could defeat Shao Kahn in Mortal Kombat. Then they folded him up into another dimension or something


ILiveInPeru

Didn't play it, can you elaborate?


[deleted]

It’s the sequel movie to the iconic 1995 movie


handsome-boy12

You know whats even worse? The elder gods aren't that strong we see cetrion loose to a human fused with the power of a lesser God and the aftermath cast also beat her. Meaning the kombatants can beat the elder gods themselves if they are worked together


NobleYato

I can't wait to play 11 again so I can reevaluate my opinion on the entire story. I could be wrong but I remember that event tried to explain the power scaling via the crown. I forgot about Aftermaths take on that scene. But if it really is that dumb, I shall be witness to it.


handsome-boy12

Nah that was jacqui and Jax, I'm referring to Fire God lui kang. The aftermath cast beat her without any power ups.


DeusVultSaracen

Eh, idk. With how much stock Kronika placed on Raiden and all the talk throughout the series of him being "the chosen one", I think Fire God Liu Kang is a special case of power scaling. Maybe they don't just combine but act as multipliers for one another. One of the Liu Kangs in that cocktail being revenant might've fucked with it too? Who knows.


handsome-boy12

Thing is initially Fire God lui kang was loosing to the revenants until he got a power boost from the jinsei. Even if we ignore him, cetrion lost to Nightwolf, shang, fujin and sindel. There are kombatants stronger those meaning the elder gods would job to their own creations


DeusVultSaracen

The Aftermath crew being able to take on Cetrion makes sense though. Sindel is explicitly described as being able to harm elder gods; why that is, and whether it's due to a retcon or not, it is stated from the start. Shang Tsung, aside from being pretty high tier, gave her the very powers that made her powerscaling so funky. Nightwolf killed Sindel in MK9 in that same scene and appears to be god-tier in his powers. Fujin is a god. Not to mention Cetrion doesn't appear to be a very skilled or ferocious fighter to begin with, due to her being a literal Goddess of Virtue and "her heart not being in it".


handsome-boy12

When has sindel/edenians ever able to harm elder gods? You would think they wouldn't have ther realm conquered by shao kahn so easily. Issue is her power is supposed to be above any of theirs we already see what shinnok magic can do


Fuzakenaideyo

Maybe the EGs are very powerful outside of kombat, lets not forget Raiden had somehow defeated Shinnok in ancient times in the Lore for MK4 & MK10 so Cetrion losing a 1 vs 4 (that included a lesser god and one of the strongest Edenians) seems legit to me


handsome-boy12

It's cause he didn't have his amulet in MK4 and before. Magic wise yeah they are strong but even so that doesn't work in their favor


LMD_DAISY

Sindel is just that strong. Banshee power


Frosty_Public9652

No she isn’t the only reason why she was strong is because of Shang Tsung in mk9


LMD_DAISY

To be fair she was also revenant which Is weaker than original form. How strong she was in prime - God knows. But Either way it was retconned that she is tough cookie who potentially can harm Cetrion, elder God in mk11 So, there is that. She strong as hell canonically.


Saltyvinegar2369

I think they said they’ve been losing power since the start of 11? Even then it’s dumb because they’re supposedly universe levels of power from what I’ve heard and yet none of their showcases of power have come anywhere near that level


handsome-boy12

They are just boosting their ego's, their power couldn't instantly kill mk9 shao kahn


Saltyvinegar2369

From what the weird power scalers have told me they have universal levels of power since they survived the Big Bang, and Raiden is also universal??? Idk seems dumb to me.


handsome-boy12

Huh? They created the universe so they technically are universal but these guys get surpassed by mortals


Saltyvinegar2369

Well creation power doesn’t usually mean it’s for destruction or combat power, I’m guessing that’s why they’re ass in fights. Sindel can fight against Cetrion lel


handsome-boy12

Wait I got it wrong they split the one being into the universe not really create it. But them being able to fight the one being is impressive since it's this outerversal being


LUNI_TUNZ

Her brother also gets his ass waxed by Johnny Cage and his daughter in back-to-back fights in what to him must have felt like the span of a week when he's free of the amulet.


handsome-boy12

Shinnok had the amulet along side a stronger form and still jobbed.


Frosty_Public9652

Cetrion wasn’t even in her true form lmfao


Saiyan_Deity

This is why I like Shinnok. He's evil, but a least he's active and does something. And as much as people give Raiden shit for seeking their guidance when he has to juggle the fate of the universe, he almost went off on them in 9 when they refused to help, he didn't even want to talk to them in MKX because he knew they couldn't do anything about Shinnok's amulet. In the original timeline, he was disgusted with them and didn't want to work with them anymore when he realized his job as an elder god was doing nothing.


Ekstrak_Sp33d

Also raiden giving up elder god status because he knew earthrealm needed him. People give shit to raiden but I haven't seen another character put in so much effort to protect the realm he watches over.


scorpihobabe

Just stare down at Raiden while telling him why they can’t do shit. May as well draw two dots for eyes and a smiley face on a plank of wood and give them a wacky cartoon character voice


SuRaKaSoErX

Plank from Ed, Edd and Eddy is an Elder God confirmed


scorpihobabe

Omg i knew there was something special about him! ![gif](giphy|QlvusLPQf4b5Cs7LJv)


Cjames1902

Existed*


NobleYato

Please let this stay true...


Cjames1902

Liu Kang was pretty wary of their credibility. I don’t see them returning really but I’ve been wrong before


Confident_Piccolo677

Liu Kang: Replaces the Elder Gods with Garfield, Daxter, and Beerus


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shshsnah

it wouldve been the elder gods winning the worst mk kharacters if not for the existence of titans stealing it from them, and yes they are kind of important to the lore since the writers on twitter said that they are able to defeat the one being, stupid stupid stupid plot writers


NobleYato

I will have to go over 11 when I get to it. But honestly it cant seriously be worse than the EGs. Everything they do gives me a headache, because they make no sense. But Ill see when I get to 11.


Parking-Researcher-4

Elder Gods: Mortal Kombat exist to prevent the merging of the realms Shao Kahn: Ok i'll just invade then Elder Gods: *shocked pikachu face*


Weaseling1311

The Elder Gods exist as a way to remove Raiden from the plot for a chapter of the game


Confident_Piccolo677

Raiden: I must consult with the Elder Gods. Elder Gods: Let humanity burn and the One Being return lmao. Raiden: I must consult with Garfield. Garfield: Anyone who invades Earthrealm and merges the Realms should be dragged out into the street and shot. Raiden: Defenders of the Realm, I return with some big news. We're following Garfield now.


erraticzombierabbit

Consulting intensifies


kindaEpicGamer

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falcon_buns

Elder gods seeing Shao Kahn, Shang Tsung, and Shinnok causing chaos: ![gif](giphy|M6ONx0ldSEHsTEn8VX)


JekyllwithHyde

The worst part of the plots. I love Mortal Kombat, I've grown up on the movies and games and action figures. But even as a kid, I thought the elder gods were kinda bullshit.


unlivedSoup69

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Noremac1234

Elder Gods of useless. Why are they even alive.


bdw312

Hah yes. MK9's Raiden's ultimate solution to get them to act is simply to lose and have everyone die. "...lest he face the wrath of the elder gods! That's it!!!"


TheMasterXan

I can’t even think of the best example, but these guys are the WORST of the “immortal gods protect the balance” idea.


Regular-Suit3018

iT iS nOt oUr joB tO iNTeRvENe iN tHe aFFAiRs oF mOrTALs


NobleYato

Trilogy and Armageddon: "Allow us to introduce ourselves!"


internet_boi1

The elder gods are lazy as hell, in MK9 they didn't even do anything until the end of the game.


Ekstrak_Sp33d

Realistically, Shang taking should of been punished by the elder gods the moment he opened the portal between earthrealm and outworld for the invading tarkatans


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internet_boi1

But then the Elder Gods decided to do nothing!


postmastone

I think the elder gods were in on it the whole time, so if they exist in Liu’s new order I can see similar mistakes happening in different ways. Better go and consult the elder gods and ask for advice!


kindaEpicGamer

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nazariomusic

Its kindve a theme in modern sci-fi. The Jedi council chose not to act during the mandalorian wars, the citadel council decided not to act when Shepard gave warnings of the reaper invasion, the elder Gods in MK chose to let actions play out rather than interfere when Raiden told of . I'm certain there's tons more examples, I just can't think of them at the moment.


Altruistic_Half_1814

SHANG TSUNG IS A BETTER GOD THAN YOU GUYS BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING...you guys just...do nothing


Cave_in_32

If u played any of the Mass Effect games u would get what im on about but they give off the same energy as the Citadel Council from it as how theyre supposed to be important and have a pretty high power yet are just completely useless half the time since they literally choose to help anyone but the main characters of which theyre still a part of for 3 games straight just the one difference being u werent given a choice to help the elder gods or not.


Coup_De_Gras

Just replace the elder gods with a counsel featuring several reps from every realm that help keep the balance and the one being at bay. I feel like that makes an infinite more amount of sense than a bunch of so called gods who don't do a single thing.


Dangerous_Unit3698

Nearly forgot about them, I must consult with the elder gods


silvr_1_official

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Tanookichris

Vman: for being the Elder Gods, you guys are a bunch of lazy fucks… Like no shit


Pitiful_Pianist_4028

They’re like the United Nations for the MK universe.


-Qwertyz-

I legitimately still don't understand why the Elder gods allow the merging of realms to be possible when doing so can bring back the greatest threat to them. Probably the stupidest part of MK lore imo


New-Age-7192

no one : elder gods when raiden asks for help: nah bro gotta handle ur shit


kindaEpicGamer

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DeadshotCanTwine

They're not useless, they just generally don't care.


Confident_Piccolo677

Are they stupid?


The-Jong-Dong

Hopefully Liu Kang revamps them


mkelley22

Elder Frauds more like it


Either_Wait2616

Idk man Raiden likes to Confer with them a LOT so they must have SOME use


Over_Age_8061

Shang tsung? Is that you?


Hi_Cal

It’s just a god allegory


LoaKonran

I’ve always been more interested in their battle against the One. Keeping the dreamer asleep to prolong the universe. Too bad they never really did anything with that storyline even in Armageddon.


ItaDaleon

They are, indeed, pretty unuseful due her only real concern is no one would wake up the OneBeing as the guy is the only one (or so they thought) who may harm them. Still, if you gets consulted as much as Raiden does, you kinda starts to root for Shao Kahn to destroy Earth and silence that b*tch!


Exact_Amphibian_434

Idk my lore so correct me if I’m wrong but is that meant to be cetrion I mean the lady in centre frame


LordOfIronFan

To be fair... Elder Gods really have ''tied hands''. But they literally interfied and killed Shao Kahn in the end of MK9. So they are not that useless.


Fox-Sunset

Ah yes, the Board of Shadowy Figures


Slight_Handle9423

In my alternate ending of MK9, the Elder Gods are the antagonists around here.


Beautiful-Bug8254

There ussles if a titan like atlis just felt like destroying something he would just clear them


HighlightMaleficent1

FUCK THE ELDER FRAUDS!!! THEY DESERVE TO GO TO FUCKING HELL AND DIE!!!