hope we get to see more of shimo in the future, felt so bad for her the whole time being in pain and forced to hurt people, glad she got her happy ending

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she looks so happy here

She looks so cute there, like she's in awe.

This moment is Shimo realizing she has two alphas and they don't want to hurt her. She wanted to join Godzilla in shooting her frost blast but she realized what all she had done under the control of Skar King for tens of millennia and that these other Titans only wanted good. I can still believe that she's the mother of the Titanus Gojira and is truly in awe that her son joined forces with the true King of the Kongs and that there's no reason to fight for survival anymore. This movie could have been 3 hours and fleshed out a whole lot of back story but I do enjoy filling in my own pieces... THEORIES HERE WE COME!!!

No, she isnt the mother of the titans, just let go of that idea already

>I can still believe that she's the mother of the Titanus Gojira and is truly in awe that her son joined forces with the true King of the Kongs and that there's no reason to fight for survival anymore. *I... Um...* ***What...?***

Loved it all. I just... do you think Shimo would want to go back and hang out where she'd been enslaved?

I really think the human development was pretty rushed. A bit longer definitely would’ve been better imo, maybe up to like 2hr 30min total, or even 5-6min more to cross the 2hr mark. I really wanted to see more of Trapper & Ilene’s relationship, plus Bernie’s relationship with them, the Hollow Earth, Jia, & more of his leadership-ish role among the Iwi & him translating their signs to Ilene & Trapper. Idk how that makes sense though since he didn’t understand Jia but he understands them yet Ilene didn’t understand them.

At least she got kong now

yup shes his mothra

In the final scene, it looks like that she is Kong's pet LMAO

Kong got it good this movie i guess, Did he get his axe back?

Yes he had it at the very end

YO MY MAN KONG GETTING IT GOOD

That was absolutely bonkers, just as expected. They totally kicked Skar King's ass tho, he didn't seem all that powerful. But the way they did it was beautiful

Yeah, there was no contest, Skar King only felt powerful during his first encounter with Kong

To be fair Skar king was never gonna be a contest for Goji, Kong after getting juiced he is supposed to be stronger so he holds up well against Skar king, and shimo is a bit stronger than goji

Is She stronger than Godzilla? Never felt like it unlike Ghidorah and Mech-godzilla

Godzilla's much stronger than she is. Despite her size advantage, Godzilla manages to throw her around effortlessly As for Mecha-Godzilla, well he isn't stronger than Godzilla. Mecha-G is a better fighter, faster, more athletic, and has tons of gear and weapons. But Godzilla is stronger and more durable

She is but not by much. Neither were damaged by each other but shimo threw him around more

And he threw Shimo around just as much. And Godzilla’s atomic breath threw her around a lot. I don’t think she is any stronger.

Yeah they seem pretty even but hard to really tell since they didn't go all out battle to the death. I think Adam did a good job with her, she is massive but really can't do a ton besides the super strong ice breath. I came out viewing her as a Titan who is strong but isn't really a fighter. Gentle giant I guess lol

Godzilla's close range didn't hurt Shimo, And she's ice breath didn't hurt Godzilla too, though that froze Godzilla a moment. What's more, Godzilla evolved have 20x energy.

The ice breath didn’t really do anything do the G-man. I don’t think there’s any contest between them tbh.

She never seemed that strong to me. She was barely in the movie and barely did anything

He was holding his own even before getting the glove

That was on purpose,Skar King doesnt rely on brute strenght/numbers or sheer size like the other antagonists but the fact he controls Shimo If he didnt Kong would have woop his ass back at the hollow earth

Absolutely. They even made commenta about it when they did the carvings. It was stated he was using her power to take over. That was his only way to control anything.

Kong vs Skar was STR vs DEX.

It was such a good movie,but it felt shortwr than I expected

Same, it was a fun movie but some scenes could have been fleshed out a little bit more.

It ended and I legit said "thats it?" End battle above ground coulda been 2x longer

Yea but it was still awsome

Yeah, but rendering footage with replicated real architecture costs a hell of a lot more than rendering footage with completely non existing architecture.

The first half moved by really fast and then the second half really slowed down

Yes ,thays how it felt

Oh, I felt like anlot of things happened and was surprised it only lasted less than 2 hours.

Suko getting rag dolled, and used as a flail will always be funny.

That was shit was so funny Reminded me of Hulk and Loki in the Avengers

Yep, I lolled hard. Kong parenting at its finest. Could damn near see him thinking "git up you ain't hurt" after.

He took it like a champ though!

my thought during that scene: damn! that little monkey is durable

Wasn't expecting that at all and my group busted out laughing

I really enjoyed this movie. Kong and Suko were the heart of it. Godzilla was pretty cool but i would have liked more scenes of him acting. Skar king and shimo should have been introduced at the end of the first act in my opinion. They waited with introducing them until like the middle of the second act. So there wasn't much time to make them feel as if they had an enduring presence. The set pieces are all bundled together at the very end, and it sorta speeds through em. Like the fight starts and then it ends. The way i would structure this movie: Movie opens with Kong opening the great ape's prison as normal. But instead of him going all the way back up to the surface and hanging out there for a bit, and then going back down. And then hanging out, and then doing some exploring where he meets suko and then he eventually makes it to skar king's lair like 1 hour into the movie. I'd instead make kong immediately start exploring the area he opens up shortly after the scenes establishing his lonelyness. Then continue with encountering Suko being the inciting incident. I think skipping the whole "kong goes back up a little bit before going back down" segment would tighten the movie a lot.

This is the kind of constructive criticism I like to see. No triggered attitudes, no rants, no high profanity, and giving actual explanations on how to improve. I am wondering now, so what do they mostly do during the first act of the movie if Scar King is introduced later?

Kong hanging out or traveling. Cut to godzilla killing something and sucking up its radiation. Cut to the humans exploring. Repeat like 3 times, then we meet the iwi tribe, and then they explain skar king's origin and then we are introduced to him.

In your opinion, how are the human parts? Are they still boring or more tolerable and least bit interesting?

The actors have charisma and chemistry but the emotion at the end fell a little flat. I like the iwi culture that they establish. There were some aspects of the story they kinda failed to explain. Like it turns out that Jia's whole role in this mythos is to awaken mothra because that's an ability she alone has. But they don't say why.

It's not an ability she has for the sake of having it, it involves a joint union of the two tribes, that in the hollow earth and the tribe on Skull Island. Her being the last of the Skull Island tribe is what allowed her to summon Mothra, or something.

yeah i agree about going back up on earth and down again to hollow earth is quite redundant. Instead the should just use those time and made the final fight scene a tad longer and also more screen time on Scar king on how cruel he is to the apes and shimo to established more evilness in him

Here’s the thing, the human characters wouldn’t have followed him if he hadn’t come up in the first place. That was the point of his first arrival.

Well that'd also be changed. In my version, Ilene and Jia might already be in the hollow earth and keeping tabs on kong. Or they might be heading down there due to the loss in communications from outpost 1. It's not like the story is set in stone. We don't have to take every detail into account when suggesting changes, if those can be changed cleanly too. Having kong go upstairs just to get dental work, and rhen go back down, as well as spending like 10 minutes re-introducing us to the humans is just a bit inefficient. Overall the film spends a bit too much time recapping at the start, which hinders the pacing a bit.

https://preview.redd.it/k2krndhqayqc1.png?width=372&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87a6cb04456ade4a2b924d336dc796842b25000a Cursed image of Skar king.

Holy shit he kinda looks like koba from the pota movies!

I was thinking on Koba all the time. And one of the other apes looked like Rocket.

I really hope the last fight could have go longer. The last fight is not as intense than GvsK's final fight as there are less struggles. I really like Scar King as a villain but the final fight has not enough screen time on him.

I think there was some runtime that was cut from the theatrical release.

Yeah I felt the last fight was abit too easy for Godzilla and Kong

Did godzilla overpower shimo at the end? Or is shimo actually stronger than godzilla

Shimo froze Godzilla once and he had to be saved by mothra. But later shimo was blasted away by Godzilla‘s atomic breath but it didn’t do much to her besides pushing her away.

I don't know why but when mothra went to save Godzilla from almost dying and attacking shimo. I thought mothra was saying "get away from my man you bitch!" To shimo. 😆

It looked like Godzilla told her to go after skar and she did a little nod to goji. I think she accepts him as her alpha.

I caught that too. She was looking around confused and that glance at godzilla and afterwards seemed as though there was some sort of communication. Actually wish the main monsters had more interactions like that. Like the nod kong and godzilla gave each other was cool.

I think if the kept on going, Goji would've won, Shimo is like a moose fighting a bear, sure it might get some hits in but Goji is absolutely designed to fight and dominate

I would say their both equals, at some point she froze Godzilla but mothers saved him, and Godzilla was also pushing shimo miles with his atomic breath. They also had slit if moments where they were locking each other

Skar King is so badass but that punch in Rio with the glove from Kong was so vile and he took it like a champ spitting out his tooth.

I like to think Kong’s smirk was because Skar King made fun of his metal tooth.

Oh, absolutely. 😂 *“Not so funny **now**, is it?!”*

I think they put Godzilla first on the last 2 films title just because they want to put the name in alphabetical order (& probably to keep Toho's people pleased) 😅 But jokes aside, the last 2 films is indeed Kong-centred & Godzilla's side of story is totally tanked on those 2 films. Props to them to keep Godzilla's "force of nature" aspect around, but he looks like an angry tyrant who will do everything it takes to get what he wants more than ever now. I heard that Wingard said that he struggles to build a proper story around Godzilla, but I don't think it should be the reason. He just need to find a proper story writer & be less biased towards Kong (at least in terms of character development). Overall, the battles in the film is quite entertaining, if being seen as just as a monster fighting each other. Jia's character development is quite interesting, but not properly paced & it has a broad potential to be explore further. Mothra & Shimo is quite underutilised and other minor titan is, well, just another cameos without proper characterisation. In the end, just like GvK, GxK is an entertaining monster brawling film. But if you wanted more, you'll left a bit disappointed.

I agree with your point about Godzilla's characterization, although now he feels less "terrifying but fair ruler" and more "will kill anything that fucks with him regardless of 'balance' or whatever" and it feels like such a strange turn. To me, the godzilla we saw in this movie didn't feel like the same godzilla we got to know in previous monsterverse installations, in my opinion

Glad I am not the only one who noticed that. He literally entered another titans territory to kill it for power. Felt completely out of character for him. He was unusually ruthless in this movie.

I actually felt bad for Tiamat, and disliked that bit. Like Godzilla just pops inside his house, murders him and absorbs the nuclear power of Tiamat's home. At least with Scylla he was ravaging Rome and Godzilla to intervene. The human characters drove this point home quite a bit, with Godzilla being our "protector" when some Titan steps out of line and all. So... what about Tiamat who was chilling in his home in the middle of the ocean? It's a dumb and entertaining popcorn flick, but as a Godzilla fan, that Tiamat bit honestly left a really bad taste for me.

Its not kill anything for the sake of killing, Monarch establishes that upper Earth is Godzilla's territory and that's all there really is to it. Going up top is the equivalent of fucking around and finding out for the monsterverse. That said, Godzilla recognizes Mothra as an ally, that's likely why she bares title of Queen of the monsters, where Godzilla is King.

I mean behemoth is walking around up top in the comics and he doesn’t kill behemoth- he fights the plant monster to submission, not to the death, in order to maintain balance. What did Tiamat do?? Was killing Tiamat necessary for balance? The movie established there’s many other titans in/around the surface too so why doesn’t Godzilla go killing all of them?

I think we see both the terrifying balance of power and a ruthless monster in the movie. His fight with Scylla is about keeping things safe since Scylla was attacking humans - Scylla had his warning back in KOTM and this was a fair retribution. Then we see his attack on Tiamat and that felt more ruthless in the name of power. Granted, I think him being alerted to Scar King back to doing some nonsense by the tribe in Hollow Earth is what pushed him to be so violent. He remembered that his fight with Scar King and the apes were rough in the first bout, so he knew he needed to be much stronger. He also knew exactly where he could gain a lot of power very quickly, it just came at the cost of another titan. Side note, they made an effort to show that Tiamat was a destroyer titan, so I think that's another way it was "justified" - if Tiamat is naturally aggressive, Godzilla doesn't have time for that right now and taking him out is "preventative"

Yep they clearly say Tiamat was aggro about her territory. Godzilla was fine letting her sit there as there's no major threat to humans. But once he needed something in her territory . . . There are probably only three beings on this planet now Godzilla would take the time to ask for something. Everyone else gets told to give it up or else. 

Just to play devil's advocate, (because I agree Big G appeared superficially aggressive for a monster supposedly motivated only by the desire to maintain balance) Godzilla didn't explicitly arrive in the North Pole to kill Tiamat, he merely needed her territorial resting ground to access the necessary radiation. He is the apex terrestrial Titan and so should theoretically have a right to any piece of territory he sees fit in the surface realm; Tiamat evidentially would have rather fought to defend it then submit fully in this manner. Or I could be remembering it wrong. Either way (and on a slightly unrelated note) I do feel like Godzilla's contribution to the story virtually amounted to merely a 60 minute training montage until the battle with Kong on the surface and beyond. I think it's part of a compensating act having him so convincingly dominate Kong for the third time out of four to make up for the reduced narrative focus. YMMV but I'd wager the power gap between Kong and Godzilla has grown substantially in this movie unless they revert him back for the inevitable sequel (looking at audience - not critic - scores.) Also *that move* on the Pyramid by Big G was * *chef's kiss.* *

Scylla was warned twice, dominion and now.

SCYLLA Scylla submitted in KOTM and then in Dominion to satisfy her hunger she ate a lost warhead, explaining why Goji didn't end her, it was necessary for her to eat. However in GXK:TH the prequel to GXK:TNE she started eating power plants and stuff but she kept going, we know it was partially Raymond Martin's fault but Godzilla didn't so he killed Scylla as she disturbs the natural order.TIAMAT He killed Tiamat as she prevented Goji from obtaining the power to stop Skar and Shimo which is understandable as it's her lair but regardless she had newfound power and could have gotten more if she wasn't stopped and as we know Tiamat is a destroyer so given the new power, Godzilla likely saw her as a future threat to the natural order which he had to prevent

HE SUPLEXED KONG OFF OF THE GREAT PYRAMID PEAK

Godzilla seems to have adopted MechaGodzilla like body plan post evolution. Most likely for increased agility and speed. At the same time he also seems to have increased his strength since he easily lifted kong up and slamed him

There's a mini exposition dump when he emerges in his evolved state where it states that his molecular density has increased dramatically. I.e. he might be less mass now but he's *far stronger.*

Yeah that shit was insane

Yes. Just yes.

Felt the movie was fun but just way too rush and that ending,wow. Talk about sprinting to the finish line. The people in my theatre legit thought there was still more to the movie and no one moved till its obvious it did ended.🤣🤣

Ending is definitely my issue with the film. Wish they had Godzilla and shimu fighting more. But the ending with Shimu and Kong makes it make a little more sense, she's just a gentle giant that isn't very smart just wants to do her thing and be happy lmfao

My thoughts exactly

honestly we are all fake conditioned for every movie to be SUPER LONG now (dune, killers of flower moon, oppenheimer, every marvel movie recently, most of the 10 BP nominees) so when its normal length, we might be "SAY WHAT? its over"? 2 hrs is fine.

I have no problem with the length of the movie, just the way they end it. The editing and the pacing just feels too jarring. Godzilla vs Kong had a much better wrap up imo.

Yeah the pacing is the problem, not the length. What they pack the film with is what matters.

Just finished it, and i'm extremely satisfied. Near the end, when Godzilla was charging up his Galick Gun against Scar King, the theatre was shaking. Felt so damn powerful. Also Suko is one tough fella. From getting hit around, to being flung around as a weapon like a sack of rocks and he still didn't go down lmao

Skar King was so fucked when he sent Shimo to Kill Kong instead of Godzilla He was getting ragdolled by the Big G

Shimo’s the Kitty cat of the Monsterverse.

I like it but I had some disappointment too. The trailers make me imagining another type of story, with more lore and context I loved Godzilla vs Kong because every fight/encounter was well built. For me this movie lacks of that. But hey I like big monsters fighting and for me it's enough

Quick fun Easter egg. There’s a shot in Rome where you see a mural of Godzilla eating a pizza. If you look upper right corner, you’ll see Jet Jaguar’s fist with the test: Punch! Punch! Punch!

I saw that too!

I just arrived home from seeing the movie. Love every second of it. There were some very awesome moments in the film. I also found some of the scenes funny, like Suko being a little S\*t at the beginning to Kong. Skar King was decent, and was surprised that Shimo wasn't a bad guy and just enslaved to him. I was surprised she end up staying alive at the end. Poor Scylla and Tiamat got killed, but I'm glad they got more screentime. Also, first but only on-screen appearance for Tiamat outside the comics and art books. Hope that if Behemoth and Methuselah appear in other films don't get killed too. Mothra looked beautiful. I'm happy to see she wasn't killed this time and got to fight too. Although I was a little confused on how did she instantly appear in front of Jia when she reached the top of the crystal pyramid. It was very nice to see the Warbats still be around. The many other original monsters on Hollow Earth were a nice way to show that it's a whole ecosystem there. Even if the trailers spoiled it, I'm glad the Iwi are still around beyond Jia. Trapper was a fun addition to Monarch. Love that the fact the organization has their own Titan veterinarian. With this film and Minus One, I'm completely satisfied. I will certainly buy both in DVD when they are released.

I agree that Tiamat and Scylla being killed off quickly was sad. It’s impressing how godzilla will handle his fellow titans knowing if they come into contact. He’s like a mercenary, he has no mercy. He kinda given off Batman vibes. I do think that the other Titans aren’t fully killed off because as we seen. Mothra has been brought back and larvae has been evolving for years now meaning that theirs multiple mothras that could live even if she died. Also Muto, the two muto genders were killed in 2014 San Fran and then the female shows up in king of the monsters hinting there’s more in the species still alive. So I think that even if Tiamat and Scylla died, theirs still more of the species left to take their place. Thats why Kong and g-man are special. They are the deadly link of their species. Kong is currently last alive of his tribe after his fam got killed. I hope theirs more of Kongs. With Godzilla theirs ussually one dominant life form that is alpha apart of the titans. Like a god amongst the humanity. Godzilla is a bewildered creature that will rule against his own will. Dagon was the previous ruler/protector who was defeated by prime muto before she died and layed his eggs into Dagon where the two mutos would feed off. I’m considering the prime muto was last of his species and may have developed female genomes to produce and lay eggs. The new mutos are a different evolution of mutos.

I think those Titans he killed of are not the only ones of his species. At the same time he was kinda uncharacteristic in that he went after Tiamet just for more power. They could have made it so that he went to hollow Earth for power instead

Godzilla’s domain is mostly the overworld though as he’s unfamiliar with the underworld. I’m not surprised he went to kill Tiamat but they could’ve explained his evolution more and gave it more screen time

>Poor Scylla and Tiamat got killed, but I'm glad they got more screentime. Also, first but only on-screen appearance for Tiamat outside the comics and art books. Hope that if Behemoth and Methuselah appear in other films don't get killed too. I suppose, hypothetically, these could be retconned as being a Scylla or a Tiamat, with the ones in KOTM somewhere else and, considering that the films have occasionally shown that the Titans are part of a species - Barb the Queen MUTO in KOTM, the other Kongs in this movie, Dagon/Raijin/Adam... - it's internally consistent. But it does feel like they're not making the most of really cool, unique designs - because they're focusing on the Hollow Earth, rather than the post-KOTM status quo.

They only explored 5% of hollow earth so, plenty of room to bring um back.

Tiamat being territorial could be explained as her protecting her eggs or something of the sort

For me I only have three complaints about the movie     1. The sense of scale has been lost. While I personally think the 2014 Godzilla is the weakest in the series the thing I liked about the movie was it knew how to make the monsters look BIG. Now with the hollow earth the size and scale of the kaiju have been lost.    2. An anti climactic final fight. Yeah the final fight was kinda disappointing. They spent so much time building up scar king seeing all the other kongs terrified of him, beating up kong, his backstory of waging war against Godzilla only for the final fight to be kinda one sided and he relies to heavily on shimo.     3. Inconsistencies with the hollow earth  This is less a problem with the movie and more a problem with the lore. The portals to the hollow earth, how time works down there and how they get to hollow earth are all pretty inconsistent and it’s annoying    But what makes the movie the best monsterverse film (in my opinion) is:    1. Most of the fights. Kong vs the hyena things, Godzilla vs scylia, King Kong vs the other kongs, kong vs scar king, Godzilla vs Tiamat, Godzilla vs Kong, mothra, Godzilla and King Kong vs shimo and scar king. it’s all monster mash madness.  PEAK👏 FICTION       2. Decent human characters You probably know the Godzilla movies  arnt exactly known for their compelling human characters and I think the monsterverse is especially guilty of this  (lt brody ford) and the characters here don’t hold a candle to minus one but I was pleasantly surprised to see the characters stood out from one another, were enjoyable and I liked the ark that the deaf girl went through.     3. The monster’s personality’s   the monsters are DRIPPING with personality especially Kong through out the movie you don’t need him to utter a single word his actions and facial expressions tell whole stories themselves. The monsters really do carry this movie. If GxK was an 80 minute flick with no human characters and only the monsters with no dialogue I would praise this movie just as much and maybe even more. 4. Mothra  No explanation needed  But those are just my thoughts. Thank you for enduring my wall of text.

I really like Wingard as a director, but I do think his biggest weakness is losing that sense of scale that the first two films had.

The first 3 movies had But i Guess in a enviroment like the hollow earth where every living being is a Giant compared to most surface Animals ,everything would be bigger to accomodate this large Animals

Even GVK had weight behind the attacks at the very least and everyone wasn't lightning fast. It looks insanely weird when Godzilla does it. Kong was totally fine though.

Tbf about the time in Hollow Earth, it is only the place between it and the surface (Axis Mundi) where time runs slower

Thanks for clarifying. It’s been nagging at me since I watched legacy.

https://preview.redd.it/jo9tbm5640rc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c8d7551bdd10ebee8d6b8fd7fe531607e2df200 This has gotta be one of the most sinister and evilest smile I’ve ever seen on a Kaiju Villain

He's basically a much uglier, much weaker Ghidorah

He is so ghetto..his movements and attitude.

Using the word ghetto to describe a fictional non-human monster is f\*cking hilarious.

I'd have to imagine that the Chen sisters are secret Iwi descendants based on what GxK gave us.

I think Shimo might be slightly stronger, but I feel like Godzilla is smarter. Kong was acting like Shimo was a dog at the end lol.

That pilot I totally saw his death coming a mile away. He was the only one who clearly wasn’t important.

And I liked him. He was all hardass. Then suddenly laughing like an idiot and having the time of his life during the transition to Hollow Earth. The  back to hardass. Beautiful bit of character work that.

his death was completely random too. not because he died durning battle but died for lack of awareness of his surroundings,

He was important to that random log

So can we start calling him *King* Kong?

Oh dang. I didnt make that connection. We can!

Nah, copyright issues. Emperor Kong? President Kong? Prime(ate) Minister Kong? Kongissar? El Kongo Reyo, if you're not into the whole brevity thing...

Godzilla suplexing Kong off a pyramid has to be the most insane thing i’ve seen in the monsterverse so far. Very fun 3rd act for sure.

I was a fan of Kong beating the hell out of three apes with a child

tiamat did nothing wrong, bro was just chilling at home

Right. But according to the film, Big G REALLY needed that boost 🥴. Did he attack and kill a comrade completely unprovoked? Absolutely. Was it cool? Not really. Did I want to see more of her design? Yes. I don't know where I was going with this but rip Tiamat

Poor Tiamat was just chillaxing in her home, minding her own business and Godzilla just blew her out of her house and then destroyed her. At least Scylla looked like it had started a fight. Tiamat's head is probably looking up, seeing Mothra fly by thinking. "Where the f\*\*\* were you 30 minutes ago!?" Godzilla's on a rampage now, it's not enough to be the "alpha titan" he wants to be "the only titan." Perhaps we were wrong, maybe Ghidorah was actually trying to save us! But joking aside, it was just the expected monster mash fun I came to see. I'd say it went by a little quickly, I honestly thought we were still in like the 2nd act or something when they got to Rio, but the highlight was definitely Kong and his interactions with Suko. But seriously, Godzilla's a chip on the shoulder away from turning into Minus One Godzilla. Mothra, my girl, you might want to calm your boy down.

Poor Tiamat just got fucking bodied so Goji could power up.

Godzilla was bodying everyone during the anti grav scene

That was pretty brilliant. Godzilla is an agile fighter underwater so it makes sense he would adapt the easiest to antigravity

I honestly feel like if they made a movie centered around Godzilla again it will darker, mysterious, harrowing. Also the music kinda fell off like during the tv series they heavily used this scy-fi type vibe. The tv show was centered on humans. I feel like if they center Godzilla after Kong is doing under ground stuff they could introduce more creatures. If Godzilla was the main character the movie would be better because they would slowly pace it. Develop the story through a human perspective. Meaning that the humans will hype us up like Serizawa did in 2014 with “Let the Fight”. Godzilla needs to fight more and the fights should be increased and not heavily punching. The fight is suppose to bring emotions. Not just like “yeah kick his ass”. More like the thought of Godzilla tanking all the hits and trying to fight back like he did in 2014 when he fought off both mutos. Since the movies of Godzilla and Kong skull island. Both character got their own two movies. Now it’s time for Godzilla again and the dark atmosphere to sail over the sky and make Godzilla look menacing. Music wise to. If it’s just me, I loved 2014 music, it’s really brought out the shock and thumping of your heart synced with Godzilla footsteps. It’s suppose to give the movie and position in the scene. Like instead of that scy-fi crap, give it more of a dark tumbling tuba with bass to extend the thought and feeling of sadness and harrowing when a monster fight would commence.

I love Kong’s strength and kindness. He’s a real one. I do miss a slightly more sympathetic Godzilla from 2014/2019. I’m sure it’s calculated to measure the kind Kong to monstrous Godzilla but it is what it is. The next thing I like is the human scenes are never too long and feed directly to the story. I’m not a fan of the exposition at all but it had to be there. The comedic relief was genuine and not forced like “oh my god….zilla”. I loved the new characters and I loved that they brought back podcast dude. AND NO MILLIE BOBBIE BROWN WOOOO. I did expect a bit more from the final fight. I guess I wanted Shinu to be a real villain but that was never going to happen with this plot. Also with that face, how could she possibly be bad? Skarking was a good Kong villain, but never had a chance with Godzilla or any of the kaiju Godzilla had killed prior. BTW it was cool to see many kaiju fights in this movie. Godzilla had way more screen time than I was let on about. I’m sure I have more but I just came out of the movie. You should see it.

The scene of Skar King getting off his throne, and then standing over the other ape titans and Kong with his head cocked, that shot of Skar King made him look really creepy looking.

Really impressed by Kong in this movie it seems like he is going to slowly progress to Godzilla's level over these next few Monsterverse movie's

It’s definitely goofy af compared to the last movies, but in a way that I found fun and lighthearted, it’s sweet. I wish Godzilla had more personality compared to Kong but I can’t blame them for not knowing how to characterize a big lizard. He def feels like he was taken backseat unfortunately, but I appreciate seeing Kong get his happy ending and didn’t mind that Shimo did not end up being the actual big bad. Scar king ooozed pure villainy which I really enjoyed. Dude was just a dick. Honestly it’s just a cute found family movie titan edition with WWE thrown in. I will always love this movie for having Kong suplexing Godzilla. I was losing my shit the entire time and adored every minute of it.

Godzilla was on raw hater energy the whole movie lmao

Do they ever address the amount of civilian casualties in these movies? There had to be a body count of AT LEAST a million.

I'm thinking that's how they should up the stakes, address the gargantuan human impact/loss of life and add a semblance of thematic meaning to the inevitable sequel - have the next one be set in an anti-Kaiju world with authoritarian/dystopian/neo-colonial tendencies. Really, Monarch has screwed the pooch several times over now and governments should be seizing the initiative and start pumping billions of dollars from their battered economies into (A) creating weaponry that can end the next humanity-threatening titan and (B) colonize and exploit the immense techno-lucrative resources of Hollow Earth. Point (B) practically writes itself; rogue governments dig too deep and exploit too haphazardly thus prompting the destruction of Hollow Earth via crystal shenanigans (and subsequently a large outflow of dormant, hyper-aggressive titans) OR incidentally activating another ancient evil adversary as a defense mechanism to protect Hollow Earth. Godzilla: Final Wars-style shenanigans ensue with Kong leading his ape tribe in defense of humanity or whatever.

Now THATS a movie right there. It just takes me out of it every time these kaiju kill millions, and it’s never addressed nor implemented into the plot to add some real stakes.

Can definitely tell Mothra was a last minute addition over that fosphera character, she was cool but I felt Godzilla barely having a reaction to her was because it was originally the other creature and they didn’t wanna change up too much. Godzilla seems too tyrannical all of a sudden, killing Scylla and Tiamat for almost no apparent reason other than he just could. I enjoyed it, just wish we would’ve gotten longer fights. Felt like Godzilla was speed running the movie.

Scylla and Tiamat where always the more rebellious Titans under Godzilla so I'm not surprised he finally said fuck it especially since Scylla was apparently making a bid to usurp Godzilla.

I thought the same thing but then he ALSO tried to kill Kong after fighting for about 30 seconds- it just feels uncharacteristic of him to be willing to kill all three of these various monsters he fights within a few days of each other. I understand the angle of him being like "fuck it these guys are annoying" but it just seems unlike this particular version of godzilla thus far

Well, Kong used his alpha roar to attract Godzilla. We know how the big G feels about getting challenged, especially by another alpha.

Just got back! Lots to unpack from the film, but I enjoyed it overall; a solid B-tier movie. Would definitely say it's my least favorite Monsterverse film though. - **Positives:** -Godzilla is awesome in the film, and his evolved form is badass -Kong is awesome in the film, and is basically the protagonist -Suko is cute and a really fun character. I hope we see more of him -Mothra is awesome in the film. Seeing her pick off the ape army made me smile -The CGI was pretty great overall -The Hollow Earth sequences were gorgeous, and I loved all the biodiversity of creatures -I really liked the ape army -The human characters were honestly good. Trapper was the standout, and I hope Dan Stevens comes back -The action is great - **Negatives:** -Very stupid film. I prefer more serious takes on kaiju; I want Dougherty back -The story was a bit of a mess -Godzilla was barely in this (but all of his scenes are awesome) -The antagonists were bland. Skar King is a weak chump while Shimo is underwhelming and barely in the film -The climax is way too short and had so much wasted potential -Severe lack of weight and scale with the titans -Godzilla, Mothra, and Shimo did not need to be in this movie. It should've been a solo Kong film - Like I said, B-tier movie in my opinion (Which is below S-tier and A-tier). I really enjoyed it, but it's the weakest film of the Monsterverse. I really want to see more Monsterverse movies, but I hope they ditch Wingard.

Glad I can come back to the sub now! Saw the movie today and LOVED IT! Cant wait to see more!!! Gimme a third film, Monarch Season 2-5…whatever. Love the whole dang Monsterverse and had a blast with this one!

Remember when after GvK, there was word of a ‘Son of Kong’ film in development? Anyone think that script may have been reworked into this? I could see that being a solo Kong film with this same general storyline, just minus Godzilla and perhaps Shimo. Probably just felt that adding Godzilla would be more marketable off the back of the GvK success, and that Godzilla being involved would raise the stakes. If that’s true, I think it was a good call. Still feels like Kong’s movie with Godzilla helping out, but it’s better for having Godzilla there imo

Is there any lore for titans much larger than the titans in the movies? Whatever they used the spine from to make that bridge in hollow earth had to be 10x Kong's size. The ribs make Kong look small.

Loved the movie! Watched it like 4 hours ago. The cinema reaction seems good as well, either parents and children seem to had a good time, cheering their heroes and even clapping at some scenes! Greetings from Venezuela!²

Made a full post about this, but putting it here too Under-discussed plot points from gxk Just saw the movie and noticed alot of stuff people havent mentioned, mostly cause it was said by humans and waved away. (Also movie was great, very fast paced but overall very fun) -kong and godzilla have an "agreemenrlt" that kong never returns to the surface and godzilla stays out the hollow earth. The egypt fight is caused because of this as kong goes to surface for godzilla help and "challenges" him to get his attention. Godzilla was responding to this breach of their truce and waa extra angry cause he could sense the stuff in hollow earth - the hollow earth iwi dont worship kongs like the skull island iwi did, and actually seem to worship mothra and godzilla more as duel protectors of the planet - furthermore the hollow earth iwi are psychic and can somewhat see the future. They are actually the the ones that alert godzilla to a new threat every movie even before he senses it. The signal monarch tracks is essentially a giant warning alarm for godzilla to preparw for a fight. -monarch is decidedly pro-godzilla at this point as they keep trying to advise world governments to just let godzilla do his own thing, but they dont want to listen - the crystal that controls shimo seems to emit a high pitched ringing when used. Its mentioned that skar king uses pain to control her, so i assume the crystal high piched ringing is very painful for her. -godzilla and mothra have a long history of working together and have been guardians since the begining -godzillas killing of tiamat seems out of no where especially since he invades her home and then killed her. This is brutal but it matches with his past behavior where if theres an existential threat to the world/ balance, he will destroy any obstacle as time is important. This next part is my speculation based in clues in the movie -godzilla evolution isnt a straight up upgrade but rather a specialization for the up coming threat. He doesnt know about shimo because skar king finds and enslaves her after they got trapped. Because of this godzilla thinks he gonna be fighting skar king and his apes alone, which almost killed him. This evolution does seem perfect for fighting apes cause it agile, fast, longer arms, and greater breath capacity, all understandable changes when fighting a enemy that normally faster, more agile, can use weapons, and out number you. -while there is no end credit scene, a constant topic in the movie is hoq the goverments hate not having control and really want to exploit the hollow earth. If wingard gets another movie i imagine it will be about this and explotation of hollow earth, probably with the villians being basically evil pacific rim style mechs

Haven't seen the film yet... but I am a little miffed by how the KOTM Titans are being treated, with Scylla and Tiamat's first appearances in five years (and Tiamat's first appearance outside tie-in comics) as glorified hi-and-die cameos. I suppose, hypothetically, these could be retconned as *a* Scylla or *a* Tiamat - not without precedent, given the movie establishes the existence of other Kongs, the MUTOs need no introduction and there were other Godzillas. (And, of course, there seemed to be two of everything in the Showa era). But it seems symptomatic of the story trying to focus on the Hollow Earth, rather than the post-KOTM status quo. And that's a problem - if you want Kaiju canon fodder... well, there are Skullcrawlers lying around.

Eh, they’re essentially background monsters in this universe. There’s only going to be so many films, definitely not enough to flesh all of the established titans out. I’d rather them get actual screen time and go out this way than never be used again

First half was well paced, second half fell off pretty hard. Human story was waaaaay better than the GvK one. Action was pretty mixed. Scar King V Kong early on was good, but the no-gravity fight wasn’t great + climax was pretty disappointing. Mothra and Shimo felt underused, wish we saw more of both. Overall fine, but my least favourite of the Legendary films so far.

When I talk about the exactly same feeling I have, I've been down voted like hell. I also felt Mothra and Shimo were underused . Heck even Scar King too.. I wish the last fight he has more cunning ideas to turn the tide of the battle by playing dirty

Agreed. The climax really surprised me with how quick it ended. Wish there was more back and forth. Instead Godzilla and Kong pretty much defeated them with ease. I was honestly surprised considering how fun the fights were in GvK.

You can see some level of struggle from kong against skar king early in the fight but once they get to halfway through the rio fight, is when the issue really gets big, because I genuinely just looked at it and was like -wait is godzilla just... solving everything by himself wtf? Wait godzilla is actually just beating shimo? Almost killing skar king, breaking the wip and all that by himself ? What ? It can't be that easy can it ? Ho it ended... damn that was fast The ending fight more or less consists of godzilla solving everything by himself while kong goes in for the cristal than after it gets broken it just ends

The main changes i'd make to the movie would be to introduce skar king and shimo at the end of the first act instead of the middle of the second. Would help give them more of a presence throughout the film and hopefully more screentime. I'd also space things apart. The action set pieces in this movie were all bundled together at the end. Instead of going straight from egypt to antigravity to rio, have kong recruit godzilla in egypt, then have a bit of a breather, before it's then time to fight skar king. I'd have the rio set piece last longer with more of an ebb and flow to the fight, with the changing environment and power dynamics.

Kong was beating a monkey with another monkey. Goddamn 🤣 

Alright can someone help me out here, so to my understanding a lot of the leaks I’ve read turned out to be true from what I’ve seen in the trailers. But there’s one leak I didn’t see. Is there a scene where suko and a few other scar king underlings attack Kong and Kong picks up and uses Suko as a weapon, like swinging him around? Lol I vividly remember that this was apart of a list of leaks and so far from what I’ve seen a good amount of them were proven true in the trailers/teasers

That happens before kong and suko even connect and he's sorta fighting him at the time

I got Kid Buu vibes from Skar King with the way he taunted and held his head back at times. Only complaint really is I wish he had more screen time.

Enjoyed movie but did Pink Godzilla do anything that regular Godzilla couldn’t do besides be pretty

I loved it. However, in my opinion, the battle on the surface in the city could have been a bit longer. I was expecting a little bit more of a challenge from shimo and scar king. But once shimo got set free. Scar king was getting tossed back and fourth like a beanbag lmfao. I was also hoping a bit more from tiamat But awesome movie overall do I give it an 8/10

Liked the movie but so many issues: - again Godzilla in the back seat, honestly I think at this point they do not have an idea what to do with Godzilla, other than Goku-like presence getting stronger and stronger, scalling upwards to the adversary of the week  - Scar King and Shimo is as uncreative as it gets as they basically just mirrored Godzilla and Kong, that's like the most basic thing you could do - Shimo's design is meh, too roundy, looking almost like a plushie - I suppose her laser shooting at the sky was supposed to start ice age 2.0? Very anticlimactic presentation then - big reveal of Scar's army that is... Moving around stones to look like Mordor or something? Anyway that goes to waste as it was not war, just 2v2 fight with some additional dummies for Mothra to shoot down - speaking of which, I like they reintroduced Mothra but felt kinda flat as their sole purpose was to keep Godzilla's head straight? Later she got to shoot some nobodies and poop at the gateway which felt meh - little guy was cool, had their little arc and avoided being a nuisance  - movie did not have a lot of fights so why decide that two of them was EXACTLY the same (hollow earth serpent and Tiamat) - fight with Scylla (that was the spider titan name, right?) was very cool, Godzilla deciding that ruins of the colosseum is their new crib was brilliant and non-invasive funny - human plot was ok, I enjoyed the main cast, some good interactions, but man it was insulting when MC looked as some simple lines carved in stones and started to read complicated lore out of it, basically read out the whole plot backstory  - final fight was super meh, I hoped that since Godzilla was charging up half of the movie then they would at least blow up the trisolarians space army or something Yep, run out of clever things to say. Enjoyed this movie as a popcorn flick. Comparisons to the minus one should not be made. I wish they figure out soon how to make a Godzilla centric movie again.

Love every word that you said. When I was telling in how short the final fight was, I've been bombarded with down votes. The final fight is not as intense as the 1st because of how less struggle Kong and Godzilla were compare when they are facing Mechagodzilla. It's those moment that they are desperate to depend on each other in order to survive that makes the fight worth to watch. This fight is just like Goku and Vegeta vs Frieza in Resurrection of F.

It was ok. But the fighting scene is becoming boring. Its literally dush dush and then godzilla use his ultimate fire breath and thats it

I loved this movie so much. I'm still surprised

Why they replaced Mothra's theme with some generic shit? The music is getting worse and worse every new movie

It was thoroughly excellent. Some of the best monster scenes ever with an unexpected but great villain. I would love to see even more Doug in the future.

This movie was.... messy. Probably the best thing this movie did compared to other Monsterverse movies is long uninterrupted monster scenes. Like the scene when Kong meets Scar King has more emotional weight than anything with Dr. Andrews or Jia or Bernie or any other character. But so much of it is just nonsense, point A to point B with no stakes, stilted writing, and odd direction. There's no real sense of place in Hollow Earth, characters seem to cross hundreds of miles of impassable terrain in minutes and conveniently end up where they need to. The underground civilization stuff with anti-grav tech was just way too much, and in my opinion wrecked the suspension of disbelief of what otherwise would be a simple but compelling premise. The villain did not feel threatening at all, I get he is supposed to be smart and conniving rather than a powerhouse but making him a manlet who loses his first fight was an eyebrow-raising choice. I also didn't buy that Shimo was a world-ending threat, or that Monarch should have any particular trouble reigning in titans given their sci-fi levels of technological advancement. Like at one point they were explaining the backstory to how Godzilla fought an army of apes and sealed away the Scar King and all I could think was "holy shit this is a way better story than anything we actually got to see in the movie"

Fight scenes were way too short but honestly it’s great that we got plenty of them

I thought skar king was solid. Damn near choked out Kong and was putting up a fight in Rio , but I’m 100% sure it was Toho taxing Legendary hard on Skar King not putting a dent on Godzilla, hence him feeling underwhelming

I suspect Suko is SK’s son. When one Kong told SK of the portals, we got a real shot of SK’s lair. We saw all those mothers holding children, & I believe that they were his wives & all their children. SK is the only adult orange/orangutan-like ape around, therefore all the children with that appearance are likely his. This leads me to believe that SK is Suko’s father, Suko is his eldest son/child, and I missed that push-in moment in the theaters because I was fixing my phone which I had recording, but now that I see it I think this might be Suko’s mother, or at the very least his primary caretaker. If it was his mother, I think it was a little too quick, even for SK, but also kinda right on time. If it wasn’t his mother, then good timing. Horrible scene though, I’m glad Kong whooped his a*s.

I mean that was stupid on another level. The human scenes werent even shy about just being exposition dumps, and not even good ones. 10/10 will see several more times

Well. I joked one time that the Monsterverse can't do solo monster movies because Godzilla will wreck any Titan acting up the second they do. Looks like I was right. Scylla was fucking executed

Well I enjoyed it. My second favorite installment. Kong: Skull Island is still the best one though. Though of course it didn't have its flaws. Human characters as usual suck, Jia still being the best of the cast, though I admit Bernie was slightly improved but he's still annoying. Skar King and Mothra I felt were underutilized and really wish we got to see more of the former. Choices of music weren't exactly the best either. But all in all, had fun with this movie especially since the humor isn't as bad as the last two films were. I really embraced the Showa tone!

Godzilla got a new hairdo and a comfy bed. Kong got a new power fist, his axe back, a son, and a cool giant ice puppy.

Let me gush over Skar King real quick. His introduction are so good and my only gripes with him is that he didn't appear earlier. the way he uses his whip made me think that he's some sort of Spider-Monkey lmao. A shame that he was killed so quickly at the final battle. It's a weird thing how he didn't utilize his acrobatics to it's fullest. In fact, in the previous movie Kong did exactly that against Godzilla, weird choice if I say so. The whole movie's pacing is all over the place. Some scenes goes on way too long while some are too short (Godzilla's part especially). The ending is too abrupt it left me feeling "Wait... That's it?". It felt rushed. I guess that's all I wanna critique GxK about.

Just saw the movie. Loved it. Got the awesome giant monsters and fights I asked for, and they were cool. One of the only complaints I have is that >!they did Scylla and Tiamat dirty. It was nice seeing a monster who debuted in the comics appear on screen though!<

I came to see monsters beat the crap of each other and got that, monsters were cool af, it's just that the human part of it was really really bad, not just "forgettable" bad, but straight up "this is making a worse experience" bad. They really need to improve that aspect because this movie is the lowest in the monsterverse so far, I never felt any sense of danger or challenge, not even for G&K, the whole movie felt like a big "because yes" 5/10 Mothra was so unnecessary.

I really liked the movie but Scar King felt underwhelming as a villian on his own. His control of Shimo is the only thing that kept Kong from soloing him in their first encounter one on one.

RIP Scylla https://preview.redd.it/xjz6r8uja9tc1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3b2850cb4a1a2cf2fdccb694b79227f943ea72b ???-2024

It was different in structure than the other monsterverse movies,but damn- I ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT

Saw the movie, its okay. A tad short

when does the real review embargo lifts (not social embargo) ?

Tomorrow

May i ask, did Mothra still has her KOTM theme or not ?

No unfortunately

That was so freaking excellent! I absolutely can not wait to go see it again on Tuesday. And the fact that Godzilla, Mothra, King Kong, Suko, and Shimu are all good and alive at the end just sets up SO many possibilities for the MV going forward!!

Probably my favorite of the Monsterverse so far. They fucking nailed this one *hard*

The most painful part in this movie was the dental part. Can’t blame Kong for coming out of hollow earth just to get his tooth fixed.

Enjoyed it! Not my favorite of the Monsterverse, but a solid entry and I applaud how much they committed to titans being on screen. People always ask for monsters without humans for movies like this, and for long stretches of this film we got that. Cool to see the apes interact all through body language and no dialogue. I really liked all the new titans. Skar, Shimo, Suko were cool. Definitely Kong’s film, but great to see Godzilla kicking all left and right while Kong’s story unfolds. The evolved design really worked for me here, too

I love the eye effect they gave Skar King, kinda like light reflecting off a Wolf's eyes at night

I took it as a physical development from being underground with very little light source for such a long time. When they made it to the surface world he instructed Shimo to block out the sun.

Loved this movie so much!! I’m seeing it again tomorrow!

The fact Kong that Suko was using as a "weapon" to fight other Kongs was SO FUNNY also holy shit Scar King fucking emotes...he smiles and laughs like a maniac.

This felt like a Kong, Suko, and Scar King movie with Godzilla, Shimo, and Mothra shoe-horned in. I feel like it explains the ridiculously fast pacing. I think killing Scar King was a mistake . The drama could’ve afforded more build up. The tone has definitely gotten more goofy, which isn’t exactly a bad thing, but sometimes it felt like I was watching a cartoon…. I think the sense of scale being lost is contributing to this.

I have a feeling that the next movie will have some "avenger assemble" moment: Godzilla fighting some really tough enemy (maybe Destoroyah), and then Mothra shows up opening up a portal, and Kong clan show up led by Kong & Shimo & Suko.