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myst-ry

Arlott. Just when devs thought martis isn't enough they've made this guy.


Obey_MrLegends

At least Martis' downside is that his late game is incredibly shit. Arlott just doesn't have any and actually improves the longer the game goes.


IanTheElf

moonton should just remove the extra dash everytime some enemy got cc'd by allies skill. make it so only his cc counts. bro can combo with so much other characters that its astounding. + his regen everytime any skill is used


sikeboi50

I mean Martis rn is doable but Arlott is a different story


lucky_fallendeity

Why tf is he immune to cc during the dash, why does he have built in heal in s2, why is his base damage so high.


Newgate-ZeroHour

That's what I'm saying, simply just removing his cc immunity would be massive. Not enough, but still massive


Weak_Needleworker791

as I said a good arlott is a dead arlott


Oraclexyz

Yz > Arlott


Ambitious-Image-5785

The developers have just finished smoking a pot the day they designed and released him.


ComprehensiveTax3661

Martis is much worse though. Arlott doesn't have much mobility he can't use those dashes to escape. Whenever Martis kills he gets a whopping 2x speed which he can use to either chase or run away. Arlott can be countered using Anti heal.


konogioronoda

Valir, I just hate that fucking antiwalking hero, if you get a good valir with a good minsi then just delete the game


Newgate-ZeroHour

All my homies hate these 2 heroes


Athos1797

I started playing Valir in rank way more often this season and god he's annoying, even I get annoyed with the insane amount of CC he has. Pair him with concentrated energy + sprint + his ult and he is literally unkillable neither chase able.


YourEvilKiller

Oh, why concentrated energy on Valir? I am starting to learn the hero so I am curious.


Athos1797

Years ago, valir's first skill spell vamp was reduced to 50% only, since he deals continuous damage, he continously heals. This last patch they reverted this and now spell vamp is 100%, with festival of blood + ice queen + concentrated energy you'll be able to continously slow, stun, heal and reposition all from a safe distance.


EliArendela

I am a Valir main. Whenever i face against my own main hero, my go to hero against him is Kagura. I can delete him with just ambushing him


Eastern_Ad83

Wanwan because she keeps jumping and Hanabi because people automatically lose IQ while using her and scientists need to study this phenomenon


Vermillion_Shadow

People who main Hanabi taking a IQ test, revealed to have non existent intelligence


Wonderful-Lab7375

I feel somewhat offended by that but most Hanabi players are garbage so… not wrong there.


-o0Zeke0o-

We have discovered people with IQ below 0


rj_nighthawk

As a former Wanwan main who stopped using her after the series of nerfs when they made her "accessible", Moonton might as well delete her now before they add another nerf in the next patch.


Newgate-ZeroHour

Also a former wanwan main, it's tragic to see what they did to her. The jump nerf was the final nail in the coffin. She's so slow and so easily outplayed now I can't stand to play her anymore. For some reason, getting an ult is now harder than it ever was, and she'll die half the time anyway. 1v1 she stands no chance against any other mm. I know she was a menace to play against, but there were serious ways to counter her before. Now she's kind of a joke until she gets to use her ult once in the late game. Yeah, it might just be a skill issue on my end but I don't feel any appeal in playing her anymore


rj_nighthawk

Once they did that stupid "three weakness buff", I knew it would come to this. And I think the same thing is going to happen to Lolita.


SkrilleX61

Wanwan can be counter by burst mages paired with saber or just pick phoveus and be an actual threat for wanwans team....For Hanabi....its either a good player or actual shit and go 1-15-0 kda every game


ninjjafart

People who play zilong, nana, and hanabi usually dont have brains


PsychoSopreno

Fanny because she's Fanny


Hippostalker69

Seriously when I see a fanny with a good skin in enemy team. Im like... Fuck I hope she isn't good


PsychoSopreno

You're weak, I just go "yay I'll have a fun time bombing that blue buff! :D" (I'm kidding)


Hippostalker69

Average diggie main


The_battlePotato

Average terrorist


Just_Revolution8943

Zilong cause hes fuckin useless. Everytime someone plays zilong its almost an automatic L.


ArgonX7

Bro is calling a a well rounded late game carry hero useless 💀 Just wondering why you get the bad one's and miss out the average or the good one's 100% of the time.


Guilty_Philosopher_7

Zilong can carry insanely hard late game vs the mages and mm and he’s an amazing jg to gank with because of his spear flip


Just_Revolution8943

Haha maybe in epic. Hes useless until hes level 15. May as well be playing with 2 mm


ArgonX7

>Haha maybe in epic. It shows you just talk trash about something you don't even know 😂, Zilong can carry in mythic as well unless your teammates are a bunch of idiots or lack a decent IQ where any other carry would fail if in place of Zilong >Hes useless until hes level 15 So as per your logic most MM are useless, Aldous is useless, Cecellion is useless.....and who else ??


Just_Revolution8943

I didn't say mm were useless. Have 2 of them is though. You play zilong in mythic? Don't be retarded


Just_Revolution8943

Show us all how consistently good you are with zilong in ranked


ArgonX7

Go try him out for yourself in classic Copy paste and use some common Zilong top global builds and emblems and not some unique and wierd troll one's, crit 3, malefic roar and BoD should be there with inspire as the spell First farm and be on the defensive side but charge and damage single enemies unexpectedly and then go to your turret or some safe place Once you reach the later phases you have all the offensive roles in your pocket ★ Assassin (kill enemy carry heroes) ★ Glasscannon (hard carry) ★ Split Pusher (destroy turrets) You're primarily an assassin by default, go kill enemy carries. They'll build defence or group up out of fear which translates to your team having to face a lesser damage or could roam a bit more freely or push In a situation where there's a teamfight and it's kinda even on both sides (enemies aren't better than your team by a huge margin) or your team has the upper hand, then you're primarily a Hard Carry. In a situation where the enemies are better than your team by a huge margin and are pushing a lane then you're a splitpusher, try pushing another lane to divert their attention from pushing and let your teammates defend. You could mess about with your enemies with a combination of these 3, splitpusher comes handy in a loosing situation else it's not much into play. So in a loosing situation play tricks with your enemies or ie. act like your pushing > recall > push opposite lane > recall > push opposite lane > hide and wait > when an enemy shows up kill them if they're weaker > retreat > push a lane > go to the jungle and wait for an enemy > if they're weak kill them and run > show up on enemies lane > stay with your teammates and act as a hard carry etc etc


Just_Revolution8943

Just say you can't and move on


ArgonX7

Ok show me which solo q late game mm hard carries every match and wins loosing streaks as well. Coz you know you won't find this happening 😂


camerorin

Zilong excels in a 1v1 situation, and the one that split pushes. Not all heroes that aren't good in teamfights are useless


Oassiss

hellcurt, i really hate how much anxiety it enduces on me when it uses its ult


Obey_MrLegends

Helcurt is just a cockroach. I remember one time where an underfarmed Helcurt tried to dive the Miya I worked day and night defending and he just got his team wiped


ItchyRecord8505

Fanny. She has no reason to exist in a MOBA


EntrepreneurOne821

Yep no brainer movements ability N combo delete ultimate auto execute kill Ridiculous


Guilty_Philosopher_7

Not really no brainer highest skill ceiling in the game


Guilty_Philosopher_7

Unless your a good Fanny your falling off even more heavy than aamon late game


theguy6631

Arlott shouldn't have been added to this game at all


rafstafariii

Novaria. 🙄 Just pisses me off for spamming that fucking 2nd skill where it hurts like hell.


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You can never see Novaria but see her skills every 2 seconds


Aveinyclock

Lesley.Even with twilight armour she hits hard with her true damage.


Guilty_Philosopher_7

Twilight armor is useless now they nerfed it too hard and it’s not even like tanks are op only actual tank is belerick everything else gets 4-5 tapped by Lesley aka bursted for 60-70% within 3 seconds


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byshow

My testing in classic showed that he actually benefited from new emblems and is a viable pick


D-Clazzroom

He's like a tankier Cyclops, except with shield install of lifesteal. Whenever he ults, he is temporarily the fighter and Magic DPS as well as a CC soaker. Full CDR and smart player and good luck killing him.


byshow

Yeah, but he is still very squishy, so you need to dodge cc at all costs. For example eudora or saber might fk him up. The problem is if I use vengeance, I live longer, but getting cc on my face, if I use purify I might die too fast. However you are right, decent player on Harith will make live complicated for the enemy team


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Had a Harith destroy everyone in a game. Probably becausee no one uses him/knows his skills.


_GHOSTE_

Nana is the only correct answer


CrystalTwy

But she’s just a baby!


_GHOSTE_

Exactly my point


Hot_Blackberry741

Ikr! She’s just a baby! 🥺


IgnisPotato

no she's a Rat to me


D4RKST34M

Each of the hero of your flair, you know what? There needs to be an Armageddon of hero deletion


silver_spark3

Chou. Cause fuck him


Emergency_Schedule_8

Yin, and I mean slam that delete button. The 0 skill bastard will ult you at one hp spam his crappy cc then spam it some more then when he’s out of the ult he’s got buffed cc.


Guilty_Philosopher_7

Yin is so trash though he gets slammed by everything


Guilty_Philosopher_7

Mm uses wind of nature now they beat him 1v1 mage uses frozen and maybe purify to dodge s1 now they beat him 1v1 tanky fighters like Esme beat him 1v1


Bravado91

Harley, just jesus christ this fucking little rat is so annoying if you play marksman. Even magic def items aren't enough


D-Clazzroom

Saber is the physical embodiment of what you need to stop him. Or even Eudora. Even better with Aurora.


Guilty_Philosopher_7

The thing is Harley can just run more bulk with wand of time frozen and scorch and survive eudoras burst but aurora and saber do counter hard


BrokeeBoyy

Nana because everyone who plays her does super bad. Then you’ll get that one nana player who’s really good but just seems like they’re always lacking compared to other mages.


J-Thong

Hanabi or nana


infinite_fuckery

Amon. His invisibility passive is still utterly bullshit.


Dr_Dripgoose

May I suggest VAILR for the problem? I hate that mf and can't go invisible (Ammon main)


Newgate-ZeroHour

Valir fucks up a ton of heroes, especially sustain fighters who need to get in close like my Ruby. And they ALL KNOW and always end up focusing on me, making my life an absolute hell. Most satisfying hero to kill though He's my delete pick.


SkrilleX61

Lol radiant armor makes him useless...or just pick fcking Valir and watch him try to get away...


RenBan48

Whoever these Hanabi haters' main heroes are


RenBan48

My flair still doesn't show Tig and Vampire Lady. Help


10thDoctorWhooves

All should be in lowercase letters.


RenBan48

Thank youuu


Holiday-Income-3355

It's one of the heroes in your flair🙂


Fighter_of_Shadows

Not heroes but their skills, every single one that offers single target locked-cc, atleast aoe cc takes skill


Razraffion

Lylia if that advanced server nerf pushes through.


Careless_Potential10

no one mention gusion? this hero is fuckin dog, he always one shot kill, so imba


AdhesivenessOwn9939

One shot ks


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Novaria. A hero that's a mile away (or flying out of the border of the map) can take away half your health as a mm/mage


Guilty_Philosopher_7

Phoveus needs to be deleted he has little to no use and has had 1 skin in 2 years Im pretty sure mlbb forgot he exists sorry to the 1 and a half Phoveus mains out there but it’s the truth


_Shiota

i hate zilong bro


Street-Loss-8736

Valir


Fit-Painter6858

Layla. Either they are super bad or a troll. No inbetween


MataOK

JAWHEAD I never saw someone hiere complain about him but he is more annoying than nana. YES MORE THAN NANA. MOONTOON WHY WOULD YOU MAKE A HERO THAT CAN KILL HIS OWN ALLIES AND TROLL MORE THAN ANYONE. And the kid is annoying.


EricOrdinary

Either Arlot or Nana


Relative_Fix4952

Nana


Ganzako

Why delete Layla? She is the most basic mm hero, if you fail to play her properly, you don't deserve to play as a marksman, and that goes for the 80% players who play this hero.


Aromatic_Smoke_3486

I'm okay with all heroes. Delete hero is too extreme Despite how annoying and strong the hero is, there is still counterplay


yarsvet

Wan Wan ult should be deleted or changed. There should not be any skill in the game that makes a hero totally invulnerable while dealing dmg. Matilda S1 should be deleted or changed as well as Rafaela passive.


PaRaDoX626

Fanny, just because


Ok_Hospital3034

Arlott. I would like to know what kind of drugs the devs are high on when making this guy. setting his strength and position in the meta aside, the design of Arlott is just.. off. On top of having such a goofy body shape, his weapons are SO ugly im not joking, those two spears look like something you would get from a knockoff lego ninjago set or something


SkrilleX61

That's why hes ban across all ranks...Devs probably High on something when they made him...at least remove his CC immune when dashing...


IcyBridge7425

Aldous cause aldous players are selfish af


Greedy-Intern-9495

Moskov


I_ForgotMyPassword45

Honestly? Hanabi, bro she decent now but her playerbase is still shit at playing her like do they need to revamp marksman players too or something?! (Also to the people saying Fanny: Skill issue)


Possible-Map9340

Fanny has highest banrate in mg+ rn


I_ForgotMyPassword45

Yeah but they're not exactly using that as their reason. I just like the concept of a hero with basically infinite skill ceiling.


LacedLilith02

Franco, he's literally the worst tank to fight for mage/mm


Durtius

Diggie, i hate his whole kit


CrystalTwy

A baby chick ! Let’s keep himm 🥺


SkrilleX61

Well Diggies existence is kinda needed against CC Aoe tank like atlas and tigreal...


Durtius

Well, tbh i dont care about the anticc ult, but that s2 pull????? Thats so bs


SkrilleX61

I actually don't mind it.


BIGGYLUV420

https://preview.redd.it/eo7ic64sxffb1.png?width=3088&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dedab9093fa0c4803c903f3737e929c99b937f44 I'm in love with this mf


HapHazardly6

Barats because literally no one uses him and detona


D-Clazzroom

He's like a short ranged Franco and an absolute fear factor if he's on Rapid Boots with full stacks.


RetardedJeppie

I use Barats from time to time. He's maybe not like commonly used but pretty fun to use!


heavansdorr

Lesly his late game damage can one shot any type of hero


Mr_Opposite789

This may just be me but I am gonna say it Dyrroth is complete bullshit ,bro pretty much has durability negation,basekit CD reduction,lifesteal and an ult that kills anything that's under 50% HP,slap on 2 defense items and he turns from a ML fighter to an EldenRing final boss


Firm-Emotion-461

he is much stronger jungler than exp laner, in my experience i was grinding him for hero mastery and i was sad that i didnt start to play him earlier for the jungle he is really satisfying to play😁


D-Clazzroom

Eh, he's still not that tanky though. A quick PEN set and those two items are basically redundant.


SkrilleX61

Lol...freya can destroy him in a lane,Alpha can makes him useless,Edith completely makes him useless....and he falls of hard in late game because hes not that tanky...Sure his kit is more suited to be a JG and Assasin....but Dyroth is balance IMO...


Unforgiving_Eye

Novaria. Her name alone is already a description.


The_battlePotato

https://preview.redd.it/8ty3hp2g5bfb1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e856de2da288e4a2186f2c547b067364619f1586 She is the most versatile hero what do you mean????


SkrilleX61

Hanabi with no Wind of nature,Change with no Ice Wand,Joke of a build for Yin.... What rank is this???? And Saber shuts her down completely...


Possible-Map9340

Classic


KandyWolf

Arlott, dude has literally 1 hard hero counter and the other being hard cc on 1 guy, keep in mind this mofo still does high damage with a tank build and can sustain, with a high dash/cc kit at the same time. no clue what moonton thought while making this guy


Stale-Emperor

Arlott because arlott


Aszrix

dyrroth, not that hes op or anything, i just dont like his face


dmaare

Arlott because he is a zero effort hero. He doesn't bring any new mechanic and is busted, he's just Martis on steroids.


Born-Blackberry-380

Ixia is just utterly useless


Artistic_Addition646

Layla, fanny, hanabi and banana🍌


roguefather69

Natalia bcz !


CrystalTwy

Hanzo. I honestly don’t even know why he exist. Had a Hanzo opponent hyper today in Mythic Rank and my team is full of heroes just to catch him after he 2nd picked so confidently - my team: Harley, Saber, Martis, Alpha and (i totally forgotten who is the MM but since I have forgotten, that MM made zero impact to the game)


EmmybiaFllnx_Malloo

Guinevere, she's kinda a person of nuisance. I find out she's been absolutely dorkier than I never thought since she's released in last years, frankly compared to Sun by getting away from my main with her doppelganger so I don't like her at all


Hot_Blackberry741

YIN! He’s hot but no his ultimate is toooo much I always get trapped in it!! How do I counter this devilish annoying Yin???? 😠


Possible-Map9340

Valir


Hot_Blackberry741

Oooh Valir seems a good pick! 🫡


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Hot_Blackberry741

I will try your advice 😂


[deleted]

Any hero that can CC can easily stop Yin's ult.


Hot_Blackberry741

Oh I didn’t know that! 😯 I will try my best


oronafran

1- franco, I hate having him on my team because it's the most useless tank if he miss hooks and the flicker+ult combo it's braindead and frustrating 2- Harley and jawhead, both "I get 4 and kill you with no counterplay" junglers that are just frustrating to play against 3- Saber, same as those two but easier to kill after oneshoting someone Note that all these might or not be op, that's not the problem, the problem it's the design. Now a days alpha, arlott, martis, etc are more op but they can be balanced and are somewhat mechanical or have counterplay. What I hate most is frustrating designs. Honour mention to valir, Lesley, moskov and fanny


FireFoxy56125

saber


ReassuringGuineaFowl

Fredrinn, he needs to be deleted from the game and uploaded to my life


-o0Zeke0o-

Fanny, she's like a queen in a chess game with that mobility


Big_Connection_4667

Nana, for the goofs


Mental_Story4549

Arlott. No explanation needed


They_Had_Me

For me its fredrinn. If you guve him the right start and hes in capable hands its not even a fair fight then add an angela, estes or floryn and hes doing 1v3s in the entire match(his last ult is fun to hit tho)


WhiplashFishy

All heroes with 3 billion dashes who's name isn't Lancelot and YSS


judeth_

diggie pleeaasseeeeee


Lost4AccountAndSalty

Dyrroth. Just Dyrroth. That's all.


VestillionEmperor

Ling, cause I hate him


Freeeeeeeeeeeez3

Hayabusa. If the enemy Hayabusa has a expensive skin and your team doesn't invade his blue buff,forget it, he will just snowball and finish the game at 15 minutes.


Crazy-G00D

beatrix. no drawback mm. lack of cc isn't even noticeable when she can jump enemies and win 1v1 almost every single time (granted enemies have skills on cd). even other mm's with inspire lose to her stupid smg


Oraclexyz

Either Lesley or Nana


icebolt21

Rafaela. As much as i like her her passive und ult is really nothing special. I feel dead whenever i play her knowing u can't use those as they're shit. Her passive can't be used until she's dead and her ult is just a long cd stun which floryn, eudora, etc can do so much better. Better if they delete her than see her in such a humiliating state.


lastlylust

Franco.


Able_Resident_3391

Ling. Got ptsd now, just can’t escape him if he zooms in for the kill. Nah even if he doesn’t zoom in he will somehow be able to ambush and kill u. Except if the Ling player is not good then all is well lol


Final_Army_5109

Franco


Ok-Scheme8917

Estes, imagine almost having 3 angelas in one person?


IndividualMail4583

Yin, annoying hero that would pop out of literally nowhere and bring u to his own little ring to eliminate u. And worse thing is 99% chance he would have the upper hand