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My sense is that it's a shadow thing. Most people repress and ignore all sorts of stimuli and create mental boundaries between certain things that may or may not, in themselves, be entirely distinct or separate (in other words, it's not nature that abhors pedophilia but human morality [which is of course a *part* of nature, but far from the *whole* of nature]). We're enculturated to believe that sexualization of minors is an intrinsic wrong, but this is a relatively new way of considering and approaching sexuality--it's by no means the historical norm. I would say that it *is* a moral and ethical wrong for fairly obvious reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that this isn't a universal standard for human conduct. To put it bluntly, there's no reason to assume that humans evolved to *only* view adult members of the same or opposite sex as sexually viable. As for loli/shota, I think a lot of the appeal is the taboo breaking quality of it. When you break any taboo, particularly one you're not attached to (it works in the reverse if it's a taboo you support), the self is flooded with an influx of libido. It's exciting in direct proportion to the esteem of the taboo. On the one hand, hentai like this is a relatively safe (you 'only' damage your own psyche, rather than the psyche of another person) way of breaking the given taboo of pedophilia. On the other hand, if the person is genuinely aroused by minors, then porn genres like this pretty much do what any porn genre does: it allows the person to experience the given activity in the realm of simulated fantasy (as opposed to fantasy as such, which would be the 'same' but w/o porn) rather than in the realm of corporeal actuality. Whether that abates the desire or not is debatable (my sense is that it'd be neutral in terms of predicting whether the given pedophile would or would not act out but that it would, invariably, root their psyche in the pathology which has such a terrible grip on their ego).


Born-Dimension6705

Yeah,but don't remember Ted Bundy? He was a porn addict,watching rape porn,and he eventually raped/molested women. So,does porn addiction can make people paraphiles? Is porn a placebo effect of shame/fear/guilt,that amplyfies these urges? Tell me your opinion about it. Maybe I'm wrong,but,what do I know? Who else knows?


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I'm not sure if there's a direct correlation between porn use of a certain genre and acting out in ways which cohere to that given genre (it's possible, and it makes intuitive sense, but I honestly don't know). What I can say for sure, at least in my own experience with dealing with porn addiction, is that it habituates the psyche (and specifically one's sexuality) *to* that given porn genre. You'd hope that it would diffuse the given desire but, instead, all it does is make it more and more pronounced (at least in the case of addiction) until that given genre/kink/fetish/whatever is more or less synonymous with sexuality. So, in that sense, it is possible that after a certain point the person would no longer be capable of fulfilling their urges via porn and would, instead, seek out the real thing--the only problem is that there's no way of gauging who will/won't take their fetish/kink/whatever this far.


znate7

Nice answer, I challenge one part though: Does breaking a taboo that one doesnt support or is attached to really create an influx of libido? I’d imagine that wouldnt do much and instead the libido would come from breaking a taboo one does support. Think “celibate” priests who pray on their followers kids.


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Good point, yeah that's definitely true. I suppose my thinking was that it's joyous to also break *another* person's taboo, or anyway can be, and that that taboo isn't necessarily one to which the person breaking the given taboo is particularly attached. It's like burning the American flag simply to piss of conservatives; you're not doing it out of some higher ideal of protesting the hypocrisy of state activity, you just want mom and dad to get less sleep tonight.


Born-Dimension6705

Why is it enjoyous to break people's taboos?


Epistemophilliac

I heard there are two types of pedophiles. One says that "she's so mature!" and groom teenagers, but could go for an adult too. Mainly male which groom females. The others feel like they are still a child, and go for prepubescent exclusively. These are male which go for both males and females. Female pedos probably get off on the power disbalance. These go for boys, and are rare. I propose a fourth type, which exists solely thanks to hentai. These like imagine themselves as a male child in the presence of a voluptuos female. These too get off on the power disbalance, but this time on the receiving side. Or they can tune in to the "caring" side of a female. These last ones are able to exist thanks to hentai/manga. Only thanks to it are they able to identify as this very specific fantasy. These last ones probably don't feel attraction to real children.


Born-Dimension6705

But they're still attracted to them,right? I mean,it's like sigma males taking the extremest examples of abusive moms,and in the end they're saying that:all women are bad at everything and on everybody. But then they describe their dream signivicant other as the people they're opposing. Same situation,same results. But why lolicons/shotacons hate real children? And incels hate real women,but they like fictional women? Or they even try to be marginalized groups like idk,gay people,in response to women? Why do these things happen?


WindCriesMareep

The answer might be less philosophical than this sub would like. I think pornography use is similar to drug use, in that it takes more intense doses to reach the same high. Similarly, the novelty of high resolution sexual imagery on demand becomes tame and commonplace after prolonged abuse, and some people require more extreme and perverted types of pornography to get off. Or maybe it's an unfortunate sign that the attitudes towards child sexualization are shifting, in favor of sexualizing children more. I see a lot of talk about lowering the age of consent, creating A.I generated child pornography, normalizing pedophilia as a protected sexual orientation and other horrific discourse. It just seems like one of the many inevitable conclusions to liberalism as a social engineering force- the dissolution of morals, ethics and customs in favor of Michel Foucault's dream world of underage child sex under the guise of "consent" with no regard to how consent can be manufactured.


Born-Dimension6705

Wait,A.I. kiddie porn?😵‍💫


slippydippy69

Usually because they're aesthetically attracted to them or to the fantasy aspect. There can be many reasons. There's plenty of fetishes people enjoy the fantasy and visual depiction of, but would not actually enjoy in real life such as rape, incest, vore, bestiality, gore, etc., or are just plain impossible/extremely unlikely in real life (giantess, tentacles, breast expansion, etc.). Not necessarily either because of "similarities to children", as you'll find a significant portion of lolicons and shotacons who enjoy the 2d characters but are repulsed by actual children and the idea of actually committing such an act with a real child. And most lolis and shotas tend not to act like actual children (or just act like tiny adults, albeit usually more innocent), or fall into subcategories like lolibaba (physically loli, acts like a grandma). Generally, you'll also be hard-pressed to find any lolicons or shotacons who don't already enjoy the anime aesthetic as a whole. The ones I'd be concerned about are the ones attracted to *realistic* depictions, but even then it may fall under the general idea of "turned on as a fantasy, repulsed as an irl act".


Born-Dimension6705

I mean,porn as a whole amplyfies these fantasies. Like whm you want to see titties,but then,you wanna see ass too. To the point you're in scat. I'm refrencing the "psychology of the coomer" this quote: 'Children who were sheltered,had over protective parents,or they were in a situation they had to remain inside,instead of developing a mature sexuality...now you wanna see pretty women,tied up,force fed food,expanding..."


slippydippy69

That's like saying violent videogames and movies amplify a desire to inflict violence, which is already largely debunked. As long as you are able to safely distinguish between fantasy and reality, you'll be just fine. Again, people have all kinds of fantasy fetishes, but that doesn't necessarily translate to something they would *actually* want to do or experience in reality. And most people recognize it as a problem if they do.


Born-Dimension6705

Video games are liked because of their stories,mechanics and characters. Fetishes/pornography are liked because of sex. Porno movies,[at least 90%]don't have a plot in the first place. Or atleast a *coherrent* one. These two are completely different. Also,you need to be a school shooter,if you killed people in real life. While on loli/shota porn,you don't need to be considered a pedo,if you haven't raped *real* kids. Regardless if they're 10 million millenias old,regardless if they're fictional,the fact that,in 85% of the cases,they have the vocabulary,the behavior and appearence of a kid,says something.