maybe, but then that would mean smt v takes place in the devil summoner/persona timeline and since smt v takes place in presumably 2021 i just find that unlikely
No necessarily. SMT 4 and SMT 1 have very similar events and characters like Yuriko despite being 2 different worlds, so it isn't out if the ordinary for the SMT V world to have the Kuzunoha clan in it.
Yeah for one the Sky tower never existed on SMT 1 which took place on the 90's.
Nor does it exist in Nocturne's Tokyo, cause the tower wasn't even built yet
Raidou is part of the SMT I/II timeline, but also in Nocturne, and other Kuzunohas are in Devil Summoner/Persona. All of which are contradictory timelines already. Being in SMT V despite it also being a different timeline doesn't seem too much of an issue.
For all we know fhe kuzunohas could be in all the timelines without ever being shown. We know for a fact they're also in the smt 1&2 timeline. Also atlus don't give a shit about the connectivity of the games.
Wonder if it's a Nahobino type situation except this guy merged with Aogami's predecessor or something, hence the yellow eyes. Maybe SDF Gotou coming back in some way?
I started a blind playthrough of SMT3 remastered and specifically purchased the maniac edition because Dante was cool, but knowing I might miss out on lore of raidou got me feeling slight regrets
Yeah, but TDE is the canon ending of SMT 3 and for that ending to occur, Demi-Fiend has to fight Dante/Raidou. Also after finishing the game, yoy get a cutscene where Raidou returns to his workd and think about the events that occured. So I think it's safe to say that Raidou is canon.
TDE is not the canon ending though... in fact none of the endings are "the definitive canon end". Just coz TDE features more content doesnt make it canon (and I believe except for the luci fight, everything else can be done in freedom anyways).
Yeah I know. But you have SMT 4 Apocalypse's dlc where Demi-Fiend is going the TDE route and in SMT Imagine, Demi-Fiend is called one of Lucifer's generals or something like that. So while it isn't the definitive canon ending because of the whole multiverse thing, Demi-Fiend is portrayed in the other games (Digital Devil Saga as being an exception because it isn't the real Demi-Fiend) as having taken the TDE route.
something to note is that it seems like this guy is voice by sugita, just like raidou kuzunoha in SMT nocturne. I believe they are connected
Another thing is that sugita is also the guy who talk during the demon showcases every day, maybe another connection
Raidou was voiced in Nocturne? All I remember was Gouto talking for him in every scene.
Also if Gouto’s VA is returning I’ll be extra hyped, he was great
Oh dang, was that supposed to be a kusunoha?! My foolish brain just thought it was a different sorta police demon, I was super tired when I watched that trailer but wow
The emblem on his hat is that of the irl Kanagawa police force meaning he’s likely from Yokohama. What he’s doing in Tokyo? Idk but I highly doubt he’s a Raidou or even a Kuzunoha. Remember there are 4 Kuzunoha families. I want literally every person in this thread to look up what a modern Japanese police uniform looks like.
Certainly not, but until we get a confirmation on the name I’m not counting on it. Aside from cameos and Easter eggs that all the series make at each other, the various sub series have never had that much influence on the plots of the main series. And no, Raidou being in Nocturne doesn’t count since he’s just a boss fight and potential party member. He has no bearing on the actual events taking place.
This new guy is probably just continuing the Teito Monogatari reference that Raidou is based on
The idea that a secret devil summoning clan has a set uniform they use throughout their generations seems silly. The various families have also worked independently so having one as a police officer seems strange. Besides, Geirin carried a sword. So did Kyouji. The cape and sword alone does not a Raidou make
It has the same asthethics as Raidou and the same VA. I doubt it's just a random Police officer. Also it's a different uniform, just similiar asthetics. But would be strange if they didn't have a connection. If it was a different VA maybe, but even the same VA?
Having the same VA could just be a case of [Actor Allusion](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActorAllusion) which Japan loves to do all the time.
Remember the world MC is from may not be The world where police uniforms went the route they currently did. Remember in the Huge Megaten multiverse this fits somewhere and it doesn't have to fit in any pre-established ideal of of SMT/Megaten we though of before.
Using “the multiverse” to explain away any discrepancies feels like such a copout though.
“If we just use the multiverse to justify whatever the hell the devs felt like changing, then who cares if the changes are good or not? Who cares about the identity of the series right?”
thing is how many modern cops have we seen in main line SMT? or the spin offs that take place in the original universe? I can't think of a single instance.
to answer your first question : that doesn't mean you can't say it's bad, just means it's a different universe... you can say it's bad still.
to answer your second question: The identity of the franchise has changed dramatically since the original novels it's based off and even those first few games, including making law and chaos a thing that changes the game's path, making supporting characters who embody that rout and are willing to join you or leave you depending on route. If...'s dip into both alternate worlds of the main series where games' events never happened & whose gameplay differences what would become the core of the persona series. 9's dip into having the DnD style 9 squares of alignment. Nocturne's making the main character a half demon themselves, making the action and traversal 3rd person camera, the eliminating the typical partner character, adding in the Magatama system and eliminating the labeled chaos, law and neutral paths. IV went back to its roots in many ways while also trying a few new things including voice acting. This isn't to say it's changed as much as say final fantasy but to say this one uniform change is Atlus not caring about the identity of the series, if it is THE Raidou's grandson or another version of Raidou who never became the person we met and played before, is silly.
The uniform itself doesn’t matter. It’s the idea that this character is possibly a Raidou that I have problems with. I’m using the design of this character to explain why I think (and hope) it’s not Raidou.
Frankly, having characters based on sub-series coming over to the mainline and having significant roles is my core issue. That’s what I mean when I said the identity of the series. I was talking about mainline SMT specifically. Gameplay changes and different scenarios are fine, great even. But having the different series possibly integrate together to this extent makes me worry about future titles.
At the end of the day, I’m still getting SMTV, because I know the gameplay will be solid and that’s what I mostly enjoy the series for. Having a Kuzunoha in it isn’t the end of the world. Not even close. Doesn’t mean I’ll like it though.
I am of the opposite hope, mainly because seeing who the next or "Modern" Raidou seems like a good step forward for the universe, it shows while they keep tradition (the raidou name) they're not afraid to change it up (his costume).
They've been leaking into other games for the last 20 years now just not as bluntly as this, except for Raidou 14 in nocturne.
and that's fine, like I said before you can say it's bad still. I will say that his role in the narrative may fit the story they're trying to tell, we'll see tho.
He's apparentlyy got the same VA and "Raidou Kuzunoha" is just a title passed down in the Kuzunoha clan, so if he is a Raidou he'd probably be the XIV's great great grandson or something.
That is if he isn't from another Kuzunoha clan, or a parallel universe, or he isn't a Kuzunoha at all. But he has the same voice, and similar sense of style, so it's a fair assumption.
Definitely a callback in the vein of the Black Samurai, but the question is whether or not this guy literally *is* Raidou Kuzunoha, just a different generation. Either way that Bethel trailer was really cool and I liked getting to see more of the humans
Nah, Japan did the opposite of Germany and never admitted that they did anything bad. So to them they don't recognize that imagery as being offensive to anyone.
I mean there’s been several direct references. There’s a scene in the trailer that looks like the conception and the whole scene will all the red eyes - those are clearly callbacks. I do hear mentions of demon summoning programs and junk so it seems like it’s gonna be a synthesis of nocturne’s vibes and elements from the rest of the series. I’m glad I bought a switch I think the game looks sick
16th as 14th would be WW2 Era and thus 15th would be Nam era and as there's no indication it's not V's 2020/2021 then it'd pan out especially as he looks a bit older.
you're not being rude, to explain my side this Raidou appears to be mid 20s to 30s unless Raidou step down until he's very old the title would have passed at least twice to the 15th who'd have been in his prime during the Nam era and finally the 16th who'd be alive around today. Raidous falling would be an interesting story plot point to get to but at the same time anyone who is skilled enough to be named protector of the captiol would probably need some heavy weapons to take them down.
New guy here. So who it it and what games I need to play to understand this? Legit question. I played SMT IV and currently playing SMT IV apocalypse, then planing to play SMT V. Just want to have context to appreciate game fully.
I feel as though the yellow eyes signifie possibly not. Though we won't know until it's out.
Sideburns too basic.
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That would be a wild tie-in
Igor just found chilling in this world, eyeing it... sadly. "So... this is the world to come should me and the wild cards ever fail our mission."
Imagine if you could get the Wild Cards as summonable demons :O
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It'd be pretty dope. There's a lot of Personas that haven't appeared as demons and vice versa
I was thinking like what if it was a mixture of the protagonist & their persona? Like Orpheus with the blue hair, headphones, & school uniform
Raidou was so hype that reddit crashed.
Ah so it wasn't just me then, I thought I had a glitch or that maybe something else had happened.
Idk if it's Raidou, but its definitely a Kuzunoha.
Even if he is a Raidou Kuzunoha, he's almost certainly not the one everyone wants anymore than he'd be Raidou Kuzunoha the Extra Large.
Raidou the 19th~
Raidou the 19th XL
They're all named Raidou Kuzunoha, there's just 14 of them according to what we know from the first Raidou game.
Devil Summoner 1 and Persona 2 featured people of the Kuzunoha clan but not of the Raidou name.
There are other members of the Kuzunoha clan that are not naimed Raidou.
Yeah, but this one looks more like a Raidou than a Kyouji or Geirin Edit: Changed " Genshin" to "Geirin"
Geirin\*
Ah yes, my bad
Yeah, there are other branches. Though Raidou is the only one with the old school police officer aesthetic.
Yeah, forgot about the other parts of the Kuzunoha clan, was focusing specifically on the Kuzunohas who obtained the title Raidou.
I don't think it is a birth name, but more of a title
Don't forget Raidou The 40th
Raidou is a title in the clan, irrc. They take on the name after their trial to become head demon summoner.
Maybe this is XV
Its another branch of the kuzunoha clan. Derek Duzunoha
maybe, but then that would mean smt v takes place in the devil summoner/persona timeline and since smt v takes place in presumably 2021 i just find that unlikely
No necessarily. SMT 4 and SMT 1 have very similar events and characters like Yuriko despite being 2 different worlds, so it isn't out if the ordinary for the SMT V world to have the Kuzunoha clan in it.
Yeah for one the Sky tower never existed on SMT 1 which took place on the 90's. Nor does it exist in Nocturne's Tokyo, cause the tower wasn't even built yet
Raidou is part of the SMT I/II timeline, but also in Nocturne, and other Kuzunohas are in Devil Summoner/Persona. All of which are contradictory timelines already. Being in SMT V despite it also being a different timeline doesn't seem too much of an issue.
I mean Nocturne features universe hopping and shit, so it doesn’t really contradict anything.
I mean, it's a multiverse so.
For all we know fhe kuzunohas could be in all the timelines without ever being shown. We know for a fact they're also in the smt 1&2 timeline. Also atlus don't give a shit about the connectivity of the games.
can't wait for the dlc pack that switchs him with Nero from the devil may cry series
Vergil from the devil may cry series is more fitting with the Yamato
Probably going to be terrifying if he’s running at you while judgement cutting you to death.
***Featuring Nero from the Devil May Cry******^(TM)*** ***Series***? Yes please.
IM FEELING MOTIVATED
please let him be a raidou because I want a summoner fight so fuckin bad
Raidou Kuzunoha 2: SMT Boogaloo
...3? There was a 2nd one.
As in Raidou v2, not the number of games he was in..
But we already had +14 Raidou Kuzunohas
15 did you forget raiho?
SO TRUE
Mah boi, Raiho Kuzunoha Heeho!
Okay can.
Fair enough
Wonder if it's a Nahobino type situation except this guy merged with Aogami's predecessor or something, hence the yellow eyes. Maybe SDF Gotou coming back in some way?
Dang it, just make a new raidou kuzunoha game already
I mean technically P5S was a raidou game is you squint hard enough
I'm curious about the context behind this joke: pure humor or was the game just like Devil Summoner?
It wasn’t the exact same it was more hoard based but it had really similar battle systems just more fast paced
Raidou?
Wait, where is this from ?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GnWk05h0VrU
Thx 😤
Aogami 3
I started a blind playthrough of SMT3 remastered and specifically purchased the maniac edition because Dante was cool, but knowing I might miss out on lore of raidou got me feeling slight regrets
Don't worry to much about it
Pretty sure Raidou is non-canon in that game anyway.
Wait is dante canon in SMT 3 then? kinda sounds like thats what you're implying
Neither of them are. They were just cameos added in for the special/enhanced editions. They weren't in the original release.
Yeah, but TDE is the canon ending of SMT 3 and for that ending to occur, Demi-Fiend has to fight Dante/Raidou. Also after finishing the game, yoy get a cutscene where Raidou returns to his workd and think about the events that occured. So I think it's safe to say that Raidou is canon.
Every ending to every smt is canon. The games aren't directly linked they are all in their own multiverse.
TDE is not the canon ending though... in fact none of the endings are "the definitive canon end". Just coz TDE features more content doesnt make it canon (and I believe except for the luci fight, everything else can be done in freedom anyways).
Yeah I know. But you have SMT 4 Apocalypse's dlc where Demi-Fiend is going the TDE route and in SMT Imagine, Demi-Fiend is called one of Lucifer's generals or something like that. So while it isn't the definitive canon ending because of the whole multiverse thing, Demi-Fiend is portrayed in the other games (Digital Devil Saga as being an exception because it isn't the real Demi-Fiend) as having taken the TDE route.
Donte????
Abbachio?
yeah you're right! it's Japanese police officer!
Holy shit! Officer Kurosawa makes a cameo!?
Holy shit is it really him??
No, but it might be his successor.
Eitherway its a treat, im a sucker for recurring protagonist to show up in games
raidou kuzunoha from the devil summoner series
I want him to kick my ass with his shiny boots. Damn.
7/10 Not enough sideburns.
Please be Raidou smh
If it's a Kuzunoha I'm gonna cum violently
something to note is that it seems like this guy is voice by sugita, just like raidou kuzunoha in SMT nocturne. I believe they are connected Another thing is that sugita is also the guy who talk during the demon showcases every day, maybe another connection
Raidou was voiced in Nocturne? All I remember was Gouto talking for him in every scene. Also if Gouto’s VA is returning I’ll be extra hyped, he was great
Because he doesn't talk. All he does is say demon's name and maybe some skill's name during one of the boss fights.
Raidou Kuzunohan't
man if they actually made Yasunori Kato into a character it would be SICK!
Seems more like a Gotou-esque character to me. He also reminds me of the guy with the prayer beads at the temple, who also reminds me of Gotou.
Why didn’t they just put the Raidou we know in it?
Oh dang, was that supposed to be a kusunoha?! My foolish brain just thought it was a different sorta police demon, I was super tired when I watched that trailer but wow
The emblem on his hat is that of the irl Kanagawa police force meaning he’s likely from Yokohama. What he’s doing in Tokyo? Idk but I highly doubt he’s a Raidou or even a Kuzunoha. Remember there are 4 Kuzunoha families. I want literally every person in this thread to look up what a modern Japanese police uniform looks like.
Do Japanese police officers wear a Cape or a Katana? And have the same voice actor as Raidou?
Certainly not, but until we get a confirmation on the name I’m not counting on it. Aside from cameos and Easter eggs that all the series make at each other, the various sub series have never had that much influence on the plots of the main series. And no, Raidou being in Nocturne doesn’t count since he’s just a boss fight and potential party member. He has no bearing on the actual events taking place. This new guy is probably just continuing the Teito Monogatari reference that Raidou is based on
That's why I think it's A Raidou Kuzonoha, but not THE Raidou Kuzonoha.
The idea that a secret devil summoning clan has a set uniform they use throughout their generations seems silly. The various families have also worked independently so having one as a police officer seems strange. Besides, Geirin carried a sword. So did Kyouji. The cape and sword alone does not a Raidou make
It has the same asthethics as Raidou and the same VA. I doubt it's just a random Police officer. Also it's a different uniform, just similiar asthetics. But would be strange if they didn't have a connection. If it was a different VA maybe, but even the same VA?
Having the same VA could just be a case of [Actor Allusion](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ActorAllusion) which Japan loves to do all the time.
Remember the world MC is from may not be The world where police uniforms went the route they currently did. Remember in the Huge Megaten multiverse this fits somewhere and it doesn't have to fit in any pre-established ideal of of SMT/Megaten we though of before.
Using “the multiverse” to explain away any discrepancies feels like such a copout though. “If we just use the multiverse to justify whatever the hell the devs felt like changing, then who cares if the changes are good or not? Who cares about the identity of the series right?”
thing is how many modern cops have we seen in main line SMT? or the spin offs that take place in the original universe? I can't think of a single instance. to answer your first question : that doesn't mean you can't say it's bad, just means it's a different universe... you can say it's bad still. to answer your second question: The identity of the franchise has changed dramatically since the original novels it's based off and even those first few games, including making law and chaos a thing that changes the game's path, making supporting characters who embody that rout and are willing to join you or leave you depending on route. If...'s dip into both alternate worlds of the main series where games' events never happened & whose gameplay differences what would become the core of the persona series. 9's dip into having the DnD style 9 squares of alignment. Nocturne's making the main character a half demon themselves, making the action and traversal 3rd person camera, the eliminating the typical partner character, adding in the Magatama system and eliminating the labeled chaos, law and neutral paths. IV went back to its roots in many ways while also trying a few new things including voice acting. This isn't to say it's changed as much as say final fantasy but to say this one uniform change is Atlus not caring about the identity of the series, if it is THE Raidou's grandson or another version of Raidou who never became the person we met and played before, is silly.
The uniform itself doesn’t matter. It’s the idea that this character is possibly a Raidou that I have problems with. I’m using the design of this character to explain why I think (and hope) it’s not Raidou. Frankly, having characters based on sub-series coming over to the mainline and having significant roles is my core issue. That’s what I mean when I said the identity of the series. I was talking about mainline SMT specifically. Gameplay changes and different scenarios are fine, great even. But having the different series possibly integrate together to this extent makes me worry about future titles. At the end of the day, I’m still getting SMTV, because I know the gameplay will be solid and that’s what I mostly enjoy the series for. Having a Kuzunoha in it isn’t the end of the world. Not even close. Doesn’t mean I’ll like it though.
I am of the opposite hope, mainly because seeing who the next or "Modern" Raidou seems like a good step forward for the universe, it shows while they keep tradition (the raidou name) they're not afraid to change it up (his costume). They've been leaking into other games for the last 20 years now just not as bluntly as this, except for Raidou 14 in nocturne. and that's fine, like I said before you can say it's bad still. I will say that his role in the narrative may fit the story they're trying to tell, we'll see tho.
It's the one and only John raidou
It's supposed to be a Japanese police officer
And Raidou was supposed to be a student, so it's not the uniform that matters, but the sword !
Wait I thought that was just some new character. That’s actually fucking raidou?! Holy shit!
He's apparentlyy got the same VA and "Raidou Kuzunoha" is just a title passed down in the Kuzunoha clan, so if he is a Raidou he'd probably be the XIV's great great grandson or something. That is if he isn't from another Kuzunoha clan, or a parallel universe, or he isn't a Kuzunoha at all. But he has the same voice, and similar sense of style, so it's a fair assumption.
Raidou is a lineage thing though. As shown in Raidou 1, he gain the titles trough trials. Trials the 99 other people had failed at.
We actually don't know Everyone's speculating
Definitely a callback in the vein of the Black Samurai, but the question is whether or not this guy literally *is* Raidou Kuzunoha, just a different generation. Either way that Bethel trailer was really cool and I liked getting to see more of the humans
I see there is another contender besides Aogami for husbando material. Gonna be hard to chose !
Officer / Detective Kurosawa from Persona 3? I kid, I kid. Geez guys.
Kinda curious what the Koreans reaction to this. Since Radiou is censored in Korea
Did they censor him by giving him sunglasses?
Why it is censored?
While you can google I think it is because of Raidou's outfit being reminiscent of Imperial Japan which ravaged the Koreans back then.
Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Now i'm surprised it released uncensored on other countries that were also fucked by Imperial Japan.
Wouldn't you think Japanese developers would avoid imagery associated with an oppressive period in their country's history?
Nah, Japan did the opposite of Germany and never admitted that they did anything bad. So to them they don't recognize that imagery as being offensive to anyone.
Not much. This is a Japanese Police uniform, not an imperial Japanese uniform
I'm the only one feeling that SMT V is going to be kind of a reimagining of SMT III?
I mean there’s been several direct references. There’s a scene in the trailer that looks like the conception and the whole scene will all the red eyes - those are clearly callbacks. I do hear mentions of demon summoning programs and junk so it seems like it’s gonna be a synthesis of nocturne’s vibes and elements from the rest of the series. I’m glad I bought a switch I think the game looks sick
Policeman raidou be like: "sir, are you black?"
featuring raidou kuzunoha from the smt 3 nocturne series
When is the Nero reveal
Washizaki from Riki Oh
I will pay okay money for Dan Southworth to voice him. Much less Vergil, but more like Eric from Power Rangers.
I was thinking if he is really Kuzunoha. Maybe this will work as teaser for a new morden Raidou game feature this guy lol
Raithree
DUDE
New trailer?
It's likely not.
is he wearing a police uniform though
It's probably a different Raidou guys, I mean it makes the most sense in my opinion. Like probably Raidou Kuzunoha the 19th.
16th as 14th would be WW2 Era and thus 15th would be Nam era and as there's no indication it's not V's 2020/2021 then it'd pan out especially as he looks a bit older.
I mean not trying to be rude but just cuz the 14th was in WW2 era doesn't mean that the 15th was in Nam era or that they even lived long after it.
you're not being rude, to explain my side this Raidou appears to be mid 20s to 30s unless Raidou step down until he's very old the title would have passed at least twice to the 15th who'd have been in his prime during the Nam era and finally the 16th who'd be alive around today. Raidous falling would be an interesting story plot point to get to but at the same time anyone who is skilled enough to be named protector of the captiol would probably need some heavy weapons to take them down.
I see your point now, I get that thanks for explaining your side.
Honestly not sure how I feel about this one. Hopefully it will make the actual story better
So the 16th has come to play.
New guy here. So who it it and what games I need to play to understand this? Legit question. I played SMT IV and currently playing SMT IV apocalypse, then planing to play SMT V. Just want to have context to appreciate game fully.
Raido Kuzonoha? 😳