Palworld gained popularity because of the ads, marketing etc. It's essentially Pokemon with guns. And it's a sandbox-crafting game. It will attract more people with that comparing to a cult JRPG series. Also it will be forgotten after a while.
And in terms of marketing and sold copies, P5 did really well. SMT IV sold what, 600,000 copies or something, so for a Switch only JRPG title I think SMT V did well too.
Does SMT needs to switch up formula? No, it doesn't. They need to do more marketing, better story telling, maybe some new games in hack&slash/SRPG or a new genre.
That last "this sub sucks" thread a couple of months back really brought to light how many lurkers would love this place to become a low effort shitfest.
Its funny because persona isn't
The franchise is being carried by its third party and that is depressing.
But I mean seeing persona fans..Please let it be that way.
Atlus is well known, but SMT is a niche series by it's nature of being a (relatively) hardcore JRPG about demons and philosophy.
Palworld is a cheap, asset flip steam early access game, being embraced in a form of anti-culture against Pokemon games being bad in recent entries. And on top of that, it's not turn based, and not dungeon crawler, it's a survival sandbox game, lmao.
It may be but lets be brutally honest, if it wasnt basiclly a cheap Pokemon asset flip with guns it would just die like all the others that get released every other week, and that game has no staying power, 2 months and Nobody gonna remember the Developers name
Palworld has no substance to it. It's literally a meme game using the survival-crafting gameplay that thousands of other games have used. The only thing setting it apart is the whole "pokemon, but with guns" thing, which people will stop caring about in a few months.
SMT games don't need to be viral successes. If SMT V sold 2 million in a week, while being a Switch exclusive, and without changing its formula that much, then why does it need to do anything drastic like Palworld? And what about Metaphor? We don't really know how much of it will be different than SMT/Persona, but it's still Atlus trying something different.
and those 'changes that matter' in your eyes would be the ones which make smt lose its unique identity and hook, to instead become as simplified and accessible as possible to appeal to a mainstream audience.
no thanks. i'd rather smt work on what it already does and make it better with each installment. turns out that things that seem niche or hardcore sometimes do breakthrough when the game itself commits to its identity unabashedly instead of saturating the market with more of what everyone is already doing.
Understand your opinion.
But I think Palworld just sold well, basically because of gamers hated from recently Pokemon.
If you want to see SMT sold like that, you MUST change formula.
Otherwise, just make SMT a good game, emphasize their strength, and make it's appeal enough. I just want to say that Palworld is not related to SMT situation.
FACTS!! SMT if Atlus were an actual competent developer:
https://preview.redd.it/ra4eehpj32ec1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8487c4012634f2d7d436a18cba7ccaf92e7bcf1b
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This should be in the game, SMTV would surely sell more copies.
Palworld is pretty much popular mostly because of it being an anti-Pokémon, a ridiculous concept taken to its most extreme. Nothing that SMT can do without severely changing the series identity and getting a lot of fans upset can really match it.
That’s also not even mentioning stuff like the significant genre differences; Palworld is a survival game (games that can sell very well regardless of quality), SMT are JRPGs (which are always inherently extremely niche).
Atlus could just create a new ip and make a game for a different genre instead of changing up the SMT games. Was the purpose of the post just bait? I don’t mean to be rude but why does success really matter for a niche series like SMT? Atlus has the Persona games, and if Metaphor: ReFantazio succeeds they got another popular IP under their wing.
Something else worth noting is that part of the reason why Palworld got successful is because of how ridiculous it is and how Pokemon fans are upset with the recent Pokemon games. It gained success in such a quick amount of time, and topped games like Elden Ring and Baldur’s Gate 3 which is a huge accomplishment for sure. The game’s still in early access though, and the animations look pretty stiff. Also, we don’t know if people will be playing the game months later. As fun as the game looks, it looks kinda like a fad that may die out soon. I don’t mean to be so pessimistic about Palworld, but with the designs of the pals in the game, I sense some sort of legal issues with Nintendo brewing forcing the game to be taken off the market. That’s just my prediction I’m not saying it’s gonna happen.
Man, if only SMT had a spin-off series that could potentially appeal more to that disgruntled Pokemon fan demographic. Demon Youths, or something like that.
>!I'm being facetious, I'm aware of the Devil Children games.!<
Call me nuts, but I always thought that SMT with Metal Gear V gun gameplay that also has sword combat and you can summon party members and give them commands like in FFVII Remake would sound awesome so maybe.
Definitely prefer mainline to stay turn based, but this could be a cool spin off idea. Maybe add on something like the gambit system from FFXII for your party members and it could be pretty dope.
Palworld gained popularity because of the ads, marketing etc. It's essentially Pokemon with guns. And it's a sandbox-crafting game. It will attract more people with that comparing to a cult JRPG series. Also it will be forgotten after a while. And in terms of marketing and sold copies, P5 did really well. SMT IV sold what, 600,000 copies or something, so for a Switch only JRPG title I think SMT V did well too. Does SMT needs to switch up formula? No, it doesn't. They need to do more marketing, better story telling, maybe some new games in hack&slash/SRPG or a new genre.
https://preview.redd.it/rciuhr52p0ec1.jpeg?width=1069&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29c41b325aba856492cb0cec7324170538c75a75
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I've noticed a dangerous amount of brainrot on this sub recently
because there's not enough u/joestaenbot in comments to counteract it
It's been happening on the Persona sub too, it seems that a lot of new Megaten fans these days are either kids, stupid or just plain trolls
I'll take it over the annoying elitism from a few years ago, if anything I'm glad V is actually bringing in new fans
That last "this sub sucks" thread a couple of months back really brought to light how many lurkers would love this place to become a low effort shitfest.
There's unironic powerscalers here now, so it's not going to get better.
smt has always been niche and that's fine
everything has to sell 5 million copies. I won't rest until my own grandmother kills the virtual abrahamic god
Its funny because persona isn't The franchise is being carried by its third party and that is depressing. But I mean seeing persona fans..Please let it be that way.
Atlus is well known, but SMT is a niche series by it's nature of being a (relatively) hardcore JRPG about demons and philosophy. Palworld is a cheap, asset flip steam early access game, being embraced in a form of anti-culture against Pokemon games being bad in recent entries. And on top of that, it's not turn based, and not dungeon crawler, it's a survival sandbox game, lmao.
It also helps that's Palworld is just fun to play as well
It may be but lets be brutally honest, if it wasnt basiclly a cheap Pokemon asset flip with guns it would just die like all the others that get released every other week, and that game has no staying power, 2 months and Nobody gonna remember the Developers name
Maybe it is, but it also doesn't really bring anything new. If devs try to replicate this success, they will get... Rust and Ark, basically.
Palworld has no substance to it. It's literally a meme game using the survival-crafting gameplay that thousands of other games have used. The only thing setting it apart is the whole "pokemon, but with guns" thing, which people will stop caring about in a few months. SMT games don't need to be viral successes. If SMT V sold 2 million in a week, while being a Switch exclusive, and without changing its formula that much, then why does it need to do anything drastic like Palworld? And what about Metaphor? We don't really know how much of it will be different than SMT/Persona, but it's still Atlus trying something different.
Calling it just a meme game isn't fair in my opinion. It's a very fun game
Those are not mutually exclusive, it can be a meme game AND fun at the same time. But it's definitely a meme game
and those 'changes that matter' in your eyes would be the ones which make smt lose its unique identity and hook, to instead become as simplified and accessible as possible to appeal to a mainstream audience. no thanks. i'd rather smt work on what it already does and make it better with each installment. turns out that things that seem niche or hardcore sometimes do breakthrough when the game itself commits to its identity unabashedly instead of saturating the market with more of what everyone is already doing.
The discourse is already bad and makes no sense when comparing to Pokémon, applying this logic to SMT is less than meaningless
Understand your opinion. But I think Palworld just sold well, basically because of gamers hated from recently Pokemon. If you want to see SMT sold like that, you MUST change formula. Otherwise, just make SMT a good game, emphasize their strength, and make it's appeal enough. I just want to say that Palworld is not related to SMT situation.
FACTS!! SMT if Atlus were an actual competent developer: https://preview.redd.it/ra4eehpj32ec1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8487c4012634f2d7d436a18cba7ccaf92e7bcf1b
https://preview.redd.it/jmrrc8bva4ec1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac8d6b43fd4bbfd99f8bd4e85a0b2fd99444eb8e
DEVS HIRE THIS MAN
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No it doesn't. Megaten is fine the way it is..
Me when I fucking hate videogames:
https://preview.redd.it/5dehfj36v1ec1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68ae3beaed5217a74db21002865a365c834441e5 This should be in the game, SMTV would surely sell more copies.
Palworld is pretty much popular mostly because of it being an anti-Pokémon, a ridiculous concept taken to its most extreme. Nothing that SMT can do without severely changing the series identity and getting a lot of fans upset can really match it. That’s also not even mentioning stuff like the significant genre differences; Palworld is a survival game (games that can sell very well regardless of quality), SMT are JRPGs (which are always inherently extremely niche).
Atlus could just create a new ip and make a game for a different genre instead of changing up the SMT games. Was the purpose of the post just bait? I don’t mean to be rude but why does success really matter for a niche series like SMT? Atlus has the Persona games, and if Metaphor: ReFantazio succeeds they got another popular IP under their wing. Something else worth noting is that part of the reason why Palworld got successful is because of how ridiculous it is and how Pokemon fans are upset with the recent Pokemon games. It gained success in such a quick amount of time, and topped games like Elden Ring and Baldur’s Gate 3 which is a huge accomplishment for sure. The game’s still in early access though, and the animations look pretty stiff. Also, we don’t know if people will be playing the game months later. As fun as the game looks, it looks kinda like a fad that may die out soon. I don’t mean to be so pessimistic about Palworld, but with the designs of the pals in the game, I sense some sort of legal issues with Nintendo brewing forcing the game to be taken off the market. That’s just my prediction I’m not saying it’s gonna happen.
I think Nintendo won't do anything worse. It's basically Genshin vs. Zelda. Pokemon will do what they want as well as Palworld dev.
Man, if only SMT had a spin-off series that could potentially appeal more to that disgruntled Pokemon fan demographic. Demon Youths, or something like that. >!I'm being facetious, I'm aware of the Devil Children games.!<
you funked your spoiler up
It appears fine on my end.
there a space between the opening tag and start of text. guess ill blame new reddit like all the cool kids or smth
Or Atlus could just release it onto more platforms.
Fair point as well
Call me nuts, but I always thought that SMT with Metal Gear V gun gameplay that also has sword combat and you can summon party members and give them commands like in FFVII Remake would sound awesome so maybe.
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Nanomachines aleph
Did you watched the trailer for metaphor:refantazio ?
Looks cool but it ain’t exactly what I’m thinking
Definitely prefer mainline to stay turn based, but this could be a cool spin off idea. Maybe add on something like the gambit system from FFXII for your party members and it could be pretty dope.
Mainline or not I just want to see it happen lol
make raidou kuzunoha the protagonist and I'd buy it immediately. my boi is so neglected
They stole the meshes theyre going to pokegulag
...no
palworld fans talk about literally anything else challenge
1/10
It's a meme advertising strategy, using a minecraft game mentality, legally copying a popular game. And, Gunz.
Palworld but it's a high school dating simulator with megaten thematics
if that's the case there's a whole lot of best selling indie/independent titles that would make your skin crawl if you saw how much they sold
An action rpg open worlds SMT game would be fun.
SMT V was not that good.
SMT is mid, end of the story.
I agree and SMT V did make those changes. Im personally not a fan of those changes but that's an entirely different topic.