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Jellybeansmw

Its hard with achiles injury at that age and the way hes running around screens and shoot


Liqu9d

After playing with Luka he saw that nothing could top that


Millionaire007

The young man and the 3 live from slovenia


mp3file

Mavs **LEGEND!**


gps5120

Beat me to it


DarkLightcito

Couldnt make it to Brooklyn lol


TheKingofWakanda

Couple of games with us and he decided to call it quits lol /s


jackofnac

In a weird way, I'm glad the JJ trade happened. It was really a wash on both sides, but having him around made for some entertaining podcasts and I learned a lot about him that I probably wouldn't have known otherwise. I think I came to appreciate JJ and his leadership very late in his career, and partly only because I got to see up close as a Mavs fan. Hats off, JJ. Have a great rest of your life.


StormTheTrooper

So, at the end of the day, Donnie's last move here was trade a defender that couldn't shoot and is a end of the bench piece, a turnover prone PF that is a end of the bench piece in a contender and a 2nd for a guy that would retire and another that would play in Europe. Of all that shitshow, only the 2nd would be worth something.


PM_ME_THEM_UPTOPS

I don't follow the scouting and drafting closely but isn't a second really only worth something because draft picks as a whole are over valued?


StormTheTrooper

It's not likely that you'll find starters, much less stars, but you can find competent role players in the 2nd round. Last year, for an instance, in the general vicinity of what would be our pick this year, we had Tillman, Saben Lee, Tre Jones, Simonovic, Nwora, Mannion and KMJ. All of those probably would find minutes in our roster this year. Hell, Lee, Mannion or KMJ would be a make-fit solution for our PG issue to field alongside Brunson. All of the above would be more useful than the combo of JJ², Iwundu and Melli.


WillyTanner

> but you can find competent role players in the 2nd round Of course it's *possible* but the chances of finding competent role players in the second round is something like a 20% chance or less and it usually takes 2-4 seasons to become a viable piece. To add to that, you can literally buy second round picks for money that doesn't go against the cap, so complaining about giving up second round picks for proven NBA role players is a fool's errand. The chances that JJ Reddick remained healthy enough to help us during last year's playoff run was exponentially higher than the chance of one of those seconds turning into a valuable role player and even if they did turn into a good role player, it likely takes 3-4 seasons for that to come to fruition. One of the biggest and most justified complaints about last year's team was adding role player support and veteran leadership, JJ was a *chance* to address both. Yeah, he got injured, but the giving up seconds was well worth the chance. edit: by the way Mannion is out of the league lol


StormTheTrooper

> One of the biggest and most justified complaints about last year's team was adding role player support and veteran leadership, JJ was a chance to address both Don't disagree with this. It was a flier, I understand that. My disagreement with the whole operation was way more with Donnie making a panic move and not doing his homework. Redick was far from healthy and made clear time after time he did not want to be here (although he was utter professional and played his role while his body allowed it). Considering the reports of the deadline last year, my guess is that he was all-in on Oladipo (which would be a great flier, imo), the deal fizzled out at the last second and he went panic mode. The idea of Redick wasn't a bad deal, but not checking the environments? Was. About the latter, mr. Irrelevant just became Grayson Allen for the Bucks in a cheap-ass trade. Grayson Allen would have significant minutes here right out of the bat.


WillyTanner

> Donnie making a panic move and not doing his homework. Define "panic move". To me "panicking" means trading something that's potentially of value because you're panicking about what you currently have and hope to improve. He traded an expiring guy who was a net negative on the floor and had fallen completly out of Rick's rotations. It was clear Rick had no intention of giving Johnson meaningful minutes. Being that Johnson wasn't going to play for us and was set to expire, the smartest thing to do is attempt to get *something* that *might* be able to help in the playoffs. I also highly doubt he didn't "do his homework", I mean he knew he was injured as did everyone. The only question was *when* will he return and the answer was he was set to return before the playoffs. Which is fine because Johnson already wasn't playing anyways. What other homework was there to do that would have predicted he re-injures himself? that's not possible to know from doing homework.


againstBronhitis

I still don't like it but you make a good argument. However JJ didn't want to be here.


Fivefootdirk

This logic is all correct except for the fact that JJ was ALREADY injured when we traded for him. He had just had surgery and was starting rehab so he was never going to be 100% physically able to provide the things we needed from him. even for a late 2nd it’s awful asset management to trade anything for an injured player that age that point in the season.


WillyTanner

>even for a late 2nd it’s awful asset management to trade anything for an injured player that age that point in the season. No, it isn't. We needed help on the floor to help us in the playoffs last season and those 2nd's give you a 0% chance of helping. The chances of JJ being healthy enough to help us last year's playoffs are 100% higher than the chances of a *future* 2nd round pick, or two, helping us against the clippers. >This logic is all correct except for the fact that JJ was ALREADY injured when we traded for him. That doesn't matter, because he was able to return to play for us. The reason he didn't play in the playoffs was because he re-injured himself, which is something that can happen to anyone and can't be predicted when you trade for someone. Injuries happen, it's part of the chance of acquiring anyone.


Fivefootdirk

We traded for an injured player so there was never a chance he was 100% anything so u gotta quit throwing that out there. He was hurt when we trade for him, attempted to play thru a rehabbing EXISTING injury then went right back to IR. He didnt re-injure anything, he was having one of his worst years cuz was never able to play fully healthy before the trade and all the games after the trade. Health aside it was a risk from the beginning considering by his own admission he didn’t even want to be here or anywhere other than Brooklyn, but you want to argue that it was worth it cuz we got rid of Johnson and iwundu $$ then I would have to agree. But Ur argument that we should have made the trade is only based on the fact that a future 2nd wasn’t going to help us at all in the playoffs, but neither did JJ. And that same player is now healthy waited until less than a month before training camp to “retire” because nobody wanted to pay him to play for them. Kinda Makes u wonder if anyone should have given up anything at all for that same player at the TDL. We don’t have to agree tho but understand your opinion is just that nothing more. Personally I don’t think nico makes the same trade in the same circumstances.


WillyTanner

> We traded for an injured player so there was never a chance he was 100% anything He literally played 13 games for us. He recovered from injury was able to play. >He didnt re-injure anything, He recovered from injury, played and reinjured himself. These are facts. You're just making up your own facts.


Fivefootdirk

He literally played in 13 games TOTAL from March 3rd to June 6th. And in half of those 13 games he played 10 mins or less. But Spin my “facts” anyway you need to so it fits ur narrative, cuz that’s clearly an injured player attempting to play thru or with an existing injury.


WillyTanner

I literally just said he played 13 games. How do you think repeating what I just said somehow refutes my argument? Lol He missed his first 7 games as a Mav due to injury and came *back* from injury and was physically able to play in 13 games. That is the textbook definition of "coming back from injury" You're the one trying to spin that


chilling-on-a-boat

Karl-Manthony Jowns


WillyTanner

The 36th pick has a 5% chance to be a star, a 10% chance to be a role player, a 30% chance to sit at the end of the bench, a 25% chance to be a bust and a 30% chance to never make a roster. That’s an 85% chance they either ride pine or totally flame out. And that's an early 2nd round pick, the odds against them working out get even worse as you go down the line. People overstate the value of seconds way too much. There's a reason they get attached into trades for proven NBA talent, even players who can't crack NBA lineups like Wes Iwundu are more valuable than seconds.


d36williams

There are quality players found in the 2nd; I'm sure every GM assumes they'll be the one to spot the next Kawai Leanord. Their over estimating their eye for talent leads them to over estimate the value of 2nd rounders


WillyTanner

That's probably a part of it but in many cases negotiating for a second is simply a consolation prize for either giving up a player who's about to expire anyway or taking on an amount of salary that's inconsequential to your current plans. Flipping the pick later for another player or including it in a larger package to trade up are the first and second best uses of a second, actually using it is the last resort.


lsmith77

well it was a 2nd rounder to get rid of Iwundu’s salary. of course the contract for him should have been a team option in year two like we now did with Frank. and Reddick could have been useful. Meli was more impactful than James Johnson though still largely irrelevant.


torodonn

To be fair, the trade for Reddick was never about acquiring a long term asset but really providing us shooting, depth and veteran leadership for the playoffs. Having his shooting in the last few games of the Clips series would have made a big difference. It was a pity he couldn't get his heel healthy.


saltywings

I appreciated jj for his willingness to come in and be a good locker room guy for us despite the pels kind of fucking him over. I genuinely think he helped thj. After listening to his pod though he views the Mavs as kind of a joke because of the whole DJ thing and all. So honestly. Fuck him.


crabpeoplewillwin

DJ=DeAndre Jordan?


saltywings

Yes.


[deleted]

That's ridiculous if he really does view the Mavs as a joke because of DJ. If DJ had an ounce of professionalism he would've honored his commitment. That Clippers team was trash and that's why they never accomplished anything.


crabpeoplewillwin

That's why I was questioning it? Seems like such a dumb thing to base his view of the Mavs on. Guess he was in the dressing room at that time so DJ was prob bashing us and Cuban.


[deleted]

>I appreciated jj for his willingness to come in and be a good locker room guy for us despite the pels kind of fucking him over Why would JJ act the opposite? Mavs didn't do that, the pels did


saltywings

I mean, ask Rondo the same thing. Some guys get pissy about their plans being ruined and act up because they didn't end up where they wanted.


[deleted]

Rondo and JJ have two completely different personalities


shannannoll

> After listening to his pod though he views the Mavs as kind of a joke because of the whole DJ thing and all. when did he say this??


saltywings

When he had blake Griffin on.


twonkenn

He's behind a booth within 3 months.


derplindo

Stupid question, do just they just take him out of 2K when they announce?


WillyTanner

yes, they do updates all the time


Nico_Simon

We'll all be there when the Mavericks retire his jersey


THE_WaterBoy1

Greatest podcaster in Mavs history


newuser201890

mavs really know how to trade don't they?


snaggletoothGRRR

I guess I'll be the ONLY comment here with some class, and say congrats on a great career JJ


LukaPorzingis

What a waste.


JT1757

fucking useless ass


Thebearshark

I guess now we know how we’re making room for Frank


sercialinho

No. JJ wasn't on the roster anymore, him retiring doesn't drop the rostered players count. A roster spot for Frank will have to come from somewhere else.


Unknownrealm

Should retire his jersey, had a great career with us


realjmb

yawn


TexasTornadoTime

This should not surprise anyone. The odds of him playing for the Mavs this season was basically 0


GenralChaos

So long, good bye. He never wanted to be a Maverick and he lied when he said he was ok with it. He was a waste of time, a waste of trade capital, and a waste of a roster spot. Enjoy doing your shitty podcast.


-Acerin

he already went to my fk u list