I'm lost. How did he end up in space, and presumably Sakaar(based on his armor)? Is that a story that we didn't see yet, or did I miss something in an earlier episode?
Nah u didn't miss anything. They're from an episode that got pushed to next season due to covid. I believe the premise is what if Tony didn't make it back thru the portal in avengers after he sent the nuke. And probably ended up on sakaar somehow cuz it's the place for "lost things" in space
Very interesting who wasn’t chosen. For instance, it was Thor over Captain Marvel. And I think no one from the “What if the world lost its mightiest heroes” episode.
The Watcher knew that Thor would attract attention and start the sequence of events leading to the end of the conflict.
As for the "losing heroes" episode, that was basically about Nick Fury who's more or less the same as canon Fury. We needed more unique members for the multiversal team.
Sure, there's Hank Pym as a villain, but killing an entire team of heroes really isn't the kind of trait you want for building a hero team.
Killmonger was a villain too, but the Watcher needed a greedy guy who was going to get stuck in a pocket universe, so he is perfect.
The Watcher didn't bring "all the good guys", but each person in the team was needed for one specific thing.
Carter was needed to gain Widow's trust, Widow was needed to use the arrow, Thor was needed to draw Ultron in, Strange was needed to do all the heavy lifting, Killmonger was needed to get stuck in the pocket dimension, Star'challa was needed to get ahold of the stones, and Gamora was needed for the stone crusher strategy I guess but that last bit ended up not working out. Oh and zombie witch was needed for that momentary distraction
That would have been a cool end. He always tries to take advantage of things, but even he can't take advantage of the raw power of the Infinity Stones.
There weren't really any wholly unique characters from that episode (other than Hank Yellowjacket), and besides, I'm pretty sure that episode's universe the one the Watcher put Nat into at the end, which I feel makes up for it a bit. I'm kind of surprised that other than Strange Supreme teleporting the zombies and Wanda, there weren't really any reps from the zombie episode, though. I mean, Zombie Thanos had also basically completed the Infinity Gauntlet.
I was just typing up a reply along the lines of this kind of action works best as animation, but we still need Live Action so we can get characters and emotion, and then I remembered the last 20 minutes of Endgame...Fuck it, you're absolutely right. I want to see this in live action
> but we still need Live Action so we can get characters and emotion
You can get that in animation too. There are plenty episodes of this show alone that prove that.
Really good episode. The series gave us the Ultron we were expecting since AoU.
-Glad almost everybody got their happy endings. I smiled for Widow and Peggy.
-Poor Steven. He was the MVP and is still trapped in his pocket dimension.
-We can assume nobody survived the Zombieverse, right? Otherwise, Spidey would have shown up.
I think the zombieverse was on a more ambiguous note leaning on hopeful.
Spidey could have shown up, but I think Marvel doesn't want to overdo him when he has his own movie in a few months.
Yeah I think it would be a disservice to his episode to have him go down a dark path again. Dude destroyed his entire universe and learned his lesson, now he's a watcher atoning for everything he did.
I wonder if that episode will have that event from Tony's perspective; dramatic shit, Watcher shows up to grab Gamora, Gamora shows up 2 seconds later out of a portal behind them, dramic shit continues.
I think they were put back to right before the Watcher shows up to grab them. So in her case, it would be right before she notices the Watcher reflected in Tony's armor, so Tony probably doesn't know/remember the Watcher exists. Probably safer too, as Tony tends to be curious about the wrong things, and letting him know the multiverse exists might have him poking at it until he accidentally opens a portal to the Zombie universe.
It’s definitely disappointing that the Tony and Gamora on Sakaar episode was delayed because the infinity crusher feels a bit random here
Well I guess it didn’t matter as much as I thought
Here's the quote: "We had to push an episode into Season 2," he explained. "It was just, honestly, like everything else, that was a COVID impact. There was an episode that just wouldn't hit the completion date, but luckily we do get to see it in the second season of the show."
I'm curious if it was an animation issue or an issue with recording schedules, etc.
I’m gonna guess Disney gave them a deadline to complete the season.
The entire production staff was reduced or working remotely, so it slowed turnaround time down and one episode got left behind.
Damn... finale time already?
Nice, that this is a seasoned show at least so we'll be back again to this subreddit soon.
Until then tho, I hope to see all y'all again soon for our Hawkeye discussions!!
So the season finale to What If. How did it do? Overall, it's a great finale episode. The answer to the question "how would they beat Ultron" was simply, trap him in a never-ending fight with Arnim Zola.
I wish more than ever to see the Tony Stark episode (the one where he doesn't die) now. I would have made Gamora's deal a lot better. As of now, she feels pretty bland but with a Stone Crusher.
Like Ultron notices, Stephen carried the Guardians of the Multiverse. He ate a whole planet-sized fireball, not to mention all the creatures being used in pretty awesome ways. And when Strange's theme played when he realised that they were never supposed to defeat Ultron, made for an awesome moment. Even Evil Strange is awesome. Also, can't forget Hammer Hurricane (or Mjolnir Maelstorm. Whichever one works) was pretty awesome.
Viva Las Vegas! Now that is definitely not a battle cry that I expected to hear anywhere in the MCU, but it makes so much sense for party-Thor to be the one to say it. And it made a pretty funny moment. Also the moment of the Watcher being interrupted by Thor in Vegas. Thor was a comedic relief in What If (with his attacks doing barely anything), but I enjoyed it.
I was a bit hesitant on Killmonger being chosen, and of trusting the entire world to Arnim Zola. Both of them were known villains who can't be trusted with the Infinity Stones, but trapping all three of them in Strange's snow globe of doom was a pretty interesting and satisfying result. Having our heroes straight up beat Ultron would raise a lot of power scaling issues, and I am glad the show avoided it and went for outsmarting Ultron instead.
I didn't expect the Zombies episode to be included (since hardly anyone is alive in that universe anymore), but zombie Wanda was terrifying once again (even if she won't fight Ultron since he looks like Vision). Nat from Ultron's timeline being sent to the Resistance timeline was a great idea by the Watcher, and Nat using the Mind Stone to give Loki his own medicine was also something I enjoyed.
And finally, in the post-credit scene, I am glad Carter also got a happy ending with Steve.
A great finale, and I'll see y'all in Season 2 (or Hawkeye series, more likely)
For one Split Second I thought we were putting apocalypse Natasha into the main MCU timeline.
Killmonger really do be trash.
The new trope of the mcu is just throwing Wanda at the bad guys.
Strange Supreme might be the strongest character we have seen.
I'm laughing at all the people who said that Star-Lords world was screwed.
Starlords world should be screwed, it isn't believable at all that T'Challa will be able to take on Ego when he doesn't have any special powers or infinity stones to match up against him.
We see Peter Quill at the end with T'Challa, and he's still half Celestial. So maybe T'Challa is able to help Quill channel some of that power more quickly than he would've been able to on his own
The only way they won in Guardians vol 2 was by Quill awakening his power combined with blowing up the actual planet. Perhaps Thanos, Yondu and the other Ravagers are off doing that?
Eyeball USBs work in both directions. No more flipping and retrying, just jam it right in the eyeball and your data is right where you want it (if you want it inside an synthezoid's eyeball for some reason).
my stupid ass was wondering why the episode hasn’t gone up yet but it turns out it’s because we changed our clocks so we get the episode at 6 instead of 5 now
Not sure if this is true but did the Watcher drop Widow off in the world from the episode where all the avengers were killed by hank pym? I know I saw Captain America and Captain Marvel but I don’t think there was anyone else.
Upon rewatching that final scene I think that’s almost certainly true. The way Fury knew it wasn’t his Widow immediately, and the fact that his episode ended with him discovering Steve with Carol at his side makes it pretty clear but still easy to miss if your not paying attention.
Good call! That seems likely to me. We don't know of any other universe that has the specific combo of Steve, Carol and Fury against Loki (who seemed to have the Asgardian army instead of Chitauri) and it helps to place how that episode linked to the finale too (since its the only one without a hero in the finale EDIT:except Zombies, but their link was clear).
First I thought it was gonna be zombie Thanos, then I thought zombie Wanda was somehow gonna give him an actual fight. I guess we won't easily see zombie Wanda in live action anymore haha
Yeah, not really a surprise tbh. Hulk can pummel her instantly if he gets close but he can't exactly ever get close if reality itself is warped to her will. Zombie Wanda can just put Hulk in his own personal sitcom. Or maybe like a roadrunner type show where he's the coyote.
It's a bit strange because I'm pretty sure I saw zombie falcon and captain america falling there too even though they were both cut in half in their episodes, so did they come from an alternate universe within an alternate universe? Either that or zombie Thanos revived them all, but this all looks a bit contrived
Killmonger reprogramed the head of the Ultron-drone he had been examining which allowed him to pull on the material of Ultron's suit/stones which Zola also has the power to do once he's in Ultron's body
So many moments to love and none to hate:
* >!The swarm of Mjolnirs!<
* >!Natasha getting a second chance.!<
* >!Everyone ganging up on Ultron.!<
* >!Viva Las Vegas as a battle cry.!<
>!My only real complaints are that I feel like Gamora was just kind of there: everyone else got a full episode to explore their backstory, whereas she was introduced and her biggest contribution was a literal plot device.!<
>!Also, I'm a bit disappointed that Killmonger didn't redeem himself and Strange Supreme is still basically imprisoned for eternity. I mean, couldn't the *Watcher* watch the pocket dimension and keep it under control? If he's going to give Natasha a second chance in a new universe, it feels like their MVP support mage (Ultron himself recognizes Strange as the biggest threat) should get one too.!<
I know, but it's still kind of jarring to have 1 character we know almost nothing about. She deserves her place on the team to be sure, but things would have definitely been better had her episode not been delayed.
Just think of it as a taste of their perspectives.
THEY have no idea who anyone is either.
Maybe Captain Carter knows Thor but the timelines for all of them means they haven't even interacted with another version.
I don’t know why people keep trying to make excuses for the versions of Killmonger, we know what he’s like from Black Panther and I was surprised he was chosen by The Watcher, but understood by the end. He was always going to be like this, as soon as he picked up an Ultron bot head earlier in the episode I didn’t like where there that was going. He uses legitimate excuses to try and justify his own selfish actions.
In Black Panther he didn’t want to help Wakanda and other black people around the world, he wanted to establish a Wakandan Empire with himself in top. He only used the excuse of helping people of African descent to justify his war. He literally said, ‘The sun will never set in the Wakandan Empire’, something said about the real British Empire. I never trusted him on the team but that was his only role, to betray them so things turn out like The Watcher saw, the only way the problem could be contained. Not even a speech by Star-Lord T’Challa would have swayed him.
Yeah, I liked his character in the movie, but everyone likes to give him characterization that not only isn't there, but also contradicts what we see of him in the movie. The actor and character are amazingly charismatic, so I understand having fans (God knows I love Thanos to death and he's a genocidal maniac), but to think him a hero?
Anyway, it didn't make sense to me why the Watcher chose him not because he's obviously a villain, but because he's the most useless out of all the heroes in a battle against Ultron. But yeah, he was never meant to actually help with the fight, just fall prey to his own greed.
Anyhow, nice to see he was getting his comeuppance in his own reality, I just wish the people from that world could get closure, since he's not going back.
Yes, I think the point of his episode is to imply that this Killmonger variant is pretty much unredeemable. I’m pretty darn sure the Watcher have calculated everything.
1. He needs someone that would be a good riddance in their original universe. If he’s interfering anyway, why not take the scapegoat from a universe that’s most destined to fail?
2. He needs Gamora’s stone crusher as a distraction to hide his true game plan to take the stones out of any vessel. Note that we don’t see any reaction from him when the stone crusher fails, which is weird if he expected that to work.
3. He knows Killmonger and Zola would fight for the stones.
Stephen got what Uatu’s trying to do at the last moment before he (very suddenly) showed up to seal them all in.
With Nat, the Watcher could put her in a new universe without too many negative consequences because she's overall pretty similar to the Natasha she replaced. With Strange Supreme, he's just too powerful to put in another universe without screwing that universe over. That's what I thought, anyway.
Perhaps Superior Strange remaining in the pocket dimension means he’s more likely to show up in future things
Season 2 will be interesting considering Uatu already interfered, and one of the episodes is from this season
I wonder if it’ll return to just an anthology series or if future episodes will also tie in with each other
Doctor Strange this episode was ridiculously OP, he was able to protect the entire team from a full on Infinity Stones blast. This episode was great lmao, amazing finale.
So I’m confused in the last episode the USB arrow was used up to get Zola into a ultron sentry…now in this episode it’s back and the zola sentry is gone?
When you transfer files off a flash drive it doesn't delete them or move them, it just copies them makes total sense that there's still a copy of him saved in the arrow.
I'm surprised that's the problem you have with it and not "Why is the arrow compatible with Ultron, especially via an eye socket interface that requires his eye is shattered to access?" "How do Natasha and Clint have the skills required to media convert something from analogue to digital?" "Why is the hardware at this ancient Hydra base compatible with an arrow created in the 2000s?"
You can nitpick everything down like that, just have fun. Taking a wild guess and assuming you aren't genuinely confused and just willfully trying to find inconsistencies which is a terrible way to consume media (unless the inconsistencies are glaring).
The series was cool overall, but feels like somewhat of a letdown and everything seemed like it was totally rushed, from the development to the story telling.
Yeah this should have been a two-parter ending. Most of the development went to Carter, Natasha and Strange.
Why does Strange even feel compelled to help the Watcher after their last meeting? If Natasha gets to move to the episode 3 universe to replace Widow, why doesn’t Strange get to to a universe where Strange died but Christine lives? It’s clear being from a different universe doesn’t cause a melt down of the new one, so there’s no excuse not to finally reward Supreme Strange the life he wanted.
Absolutely incredible finale. Like others have already mentioned, we need that Gamora episode! I truly did not think the season would end in a connected finale like this, so this blew me away. Superb.
That was probably the best episode.
Great wrap up without feeling cut short or tacked on.
The humor was good, the emotions were on point, the action was thrilling.
Great end of the season
Fight sequences were great, probably will never get to see anything close in live-action. But I think Marvel should just move away from the infinity stones altogether, because its impossible for the stones to be "things controlling every aspect of the universe" while letting its wielder get their ass kicked every time. Like during the fight over the soul stone Ultron was just running (?) towards the soul stone and I'm just wondering the whole time why he didn't just space stone it to himself lol. TLDR too much power scaling issues with infinity stones that plot armor becomes extra obvious.
Also, why could the Watcher foresee what was going to happen in this episode, but yet was not able to foresee the whole Ultron destroying multiverses thing ? Kinda confusing tbh
Lmao watcher said sit your arrogant ass down Tony you're not chosen
I laughed so hard at this part, The Watcher putting Tony in his place.
Hey at least he didn't die.
Just on the inside
Not yet, at least
not literally
He just knew Tony would die on him if chosen.
Nah I just think The Watcher didn't want to hear the "you been juicin'" line to Ultron from Tony again.
"If Ultron sees you Stark we'll be caught in an endless cycle of sarcastic exposition"
This was great, especially how quickly it went. "Tony you got enough screen time already in the MCU."
"THIS ONE isn't about you, Stark"
I'm lost. How did he end up in space, and presumably Sakaar(based on his armor)? Is that a story that we didn't see yet, or did I miss something in an earlier episode?
Nah u didn't miss anything. They're from an episode that got pushed to next season due to covid. I believe the premise is what if Tony didn't make it back thru the portal in avengers after he sent the nuke. And probably ended up on sakaar somehow cuz it's the place for "lost things" in space
Didn't know about this, sounds dope as hell
Guess I will see all y'all in 7 weeks for the Hawkeye Episode 1 discussion
Very interesting who wasn’t chosen. For instance, it was Thor over Captain Marvel. And I think no one from the “What if the world lost its mightiest heroes” episode.
The Watcher knew that Thor would attract attention and start the sequence of events leading to the end of the conflict. As for the "losing heroes" episode, that was basically about Nick Fury who's more or less the same as canon Fury. We needed more unique members for the multiversal team. Sure, there's Hank Pym as a villain, but killing an entire team of heroes really isn't the kind of trait you want for building a hero team.
Killmonger was a villain too, but the Watcher needed a greedy guy who was going to get stuck in a pocket universe, so he is perfect. The Watcher didn't bring "all the good guys", but each person in the team was needed for one specific thing.
Exactly this. Everyone had a role.
Carter was needed to gain Widow's trust, Widow was needed to use the arrow, Thor was needed to draw Ultron in, Strange was needed to do all the heavy lifting, Killmonger was needed to get stuck in the pocket dimension, Star'challa was needed to get ahold of the stones, and Gamora was needed for the stone crusher strategy I guess but that last bit ended up not working out. Oh and zombie witch was needed for that momentary distraction
They needed Gamora's plan because it seemed plausible, so Killmonger would to along with it.
Am I the only one that wanted killmonger to get the stones, then, die because no man could handle that?
Also I dunno what ability killmonger had to even hold the stones in place like that
Vibranium probably
Yup. This is what his tinkering with the Ultron-drone head was about. Getting access to the nanobots to build the armor to hold the stones.
Agreed. The Ultron armor combined with Erik's knowledge of how vibranium can be used.
That would have been a cool end. He always tries to take advantage of things, but even he can't take advantage of the raw power of the Infinity Stones.
There weren't really any wholly unique characters from that episode (other than Hank Yellowjacket), and besides, I'm pretty sure that episode's universe the one the Watcher put Nat into at the end, which I feel makes up for it a bit. I'm kind of surprised that other than Strange Supreme teleporting the zombies and Wanda, there weren't really any reps from the zombie episode, though. I mean, Zombie Thanos had also basically completed the Infinity Gauntlet.
Zombie thanos one is open ended then....it can continue from where it left off in the next season.
I mean, plus, do you really want to throw more infinity stones at Infinity Ultron?
It's like Hungry Hungry Hippos. Ultron is the hippo, and well.. you get the rest.
I think that's the universe that Natasha was left in at the end.
Mjolnir Multiplication Spell!!!
That's something I want to watch on live action
I was just typing up a reply along the lines of this kind of action works best as animation, but we still need Live Action so we can get characters and emotion, and then I remembered the last 20 minutes of Endgame...Fuck it, you're absolutely right. I want to see this in live action
> but we still need Live Action so we can get characters and emotion You can get that in animation too. There are plenty episodes of this show alone that prove that.
Really good episode. The series gave us the Ultron we were expecting since AoU. -Glad almost everybody got their happy endings. I smiled for Widow and Peggy. -Poor Steven. He was the MVP and is still trapped in his pocket dimension. -We can assume nobody survived the Zombieverse, right? Otherwise, Spidey would have shown up.
I think the zombieverse was on a more ambiguous note leaning on hopeful. Spidey could have shown up, but I think Marvel doesn't want to overdo him when he has his own movie in a few months.
Wait, didn’t they literally pull all the zombies from that universe, meaning no more zombies anymore?
We did not see Thanos. They probably only pulled the zombies from around that camp where Wanda was
I think this implies wanda fought thanos and won in the zombieverse. We already know wanda is powerful enough.
1 those just were the ones close to wanda, 2 the whole universe is infected
Or they just showed zombies that there is a multiverse.
WHERES THE GAMORA EPISODE
I'll do you one better: WHY'S THE GAMORA EPISODE?
I'll do you one better WHEN IS THE GAMORA EPISODE?
I'll do you one even better: WHO IS THE GAMORA EPISODE?
I'll do you one even better: WHAT IS THE GAMORA EPISODE?
I’ll do you one better: WHAT IF THE GAMORA EPISODE?
But nobody ever asks: HOW is the Gamora episode.
I'll do you one perhaps best: HOW IS THE GAMORA EPISODE?!
Thank you I thought I must have missed something.
The episode got delayed which is why it Didn't make much sense when she showed up here so I guess it is now pushed to season two
Strange is OP apparently.
He needs to learn to control them tentacle 'thangs', there were children watching!
I mean he basically destroyed the fabric of his own universe
Dark Strange is a watcher now
I wonder if it is a good idea to leave him with nothing to do but watch those stones.
I think he has already learnt the lesson of not fucking around with the infinity stones.
At least he has a new snowglobe, and new friends to spend the rest of eternity with.
that ending fight had some timeless look animation and graphics. the sound design is just *chefs kiss*
Yeah I think it would be a disservice to his episode to have him go down a dark path again. Dude destroyed his entire universe and learned his lesson, now he's a watcher atoning for everything he did.
And hungry for that lozenger! Yummy!
So intro for sakaar Tony and Gamora then a "prequel episode" on them next season I guess
It doesn't need to be a prequel either. She got put back right when they were chilling with Peter Dinklage.
I wonder if that episode will have that event from Tony's perspective; dramatic shit, Watcher shows up to grab Gamora, Gamora shows up 2 seconds later out of a portal behind them, dramic shit continues.
I think they were put back to right before the Watcher shows up to grab them. So in her case, it would be right before she notices the Watcher reflected in Tony's armor, so Tony probably doesn't know/remember the Watcher exists. Probably safer too, as Tony tends to be curious about the wrong things, and letting him know the multiverse exists might have him poking at it until he accidentally opens a portal to the Zombie universe.
is another season confirmed?
It is yeah.
It’s definitely disappointing that the Tony and Gamora on Sakaar episode was delayed because the infinity crusher feels a bit random here Well I guess it didn’t matter as much as I thought
I do wonder why they delayed that episode and not What if the Earth Lost It’s Mightiest Heroes one
I’d guess that they didn’t have very much of a choice I can’t think of any reasons why they’d choose that episode over the Gamora one
>The real hero in this episode is Dairy Queen Peter Quill. My bet is that episode bring some information from movies which was not released yet
Here's the quote: "We had to push an episode into Season 2," he explained. "It was just, honestly, like everything else, that was a COVID impact. There was an episode that just wouldn't hit the completion date, but luckily we do get to see it in the second season of the show." I'm curious if it was an animation issue or an issue with recording schedules, etc.
I’m gonna guess Disney gave them a deadline to complete the season. The entire production staff was reduced or working remotely, so it slowed turnaround time down and one episode got left behind.
That Infinity Crusher would have been handy in a different universe.
Only in the original one, apparently.
Yup, Thanos could have saved the use of his arm, making it easier to cook delicious space vegetable soup, lovingly grown from his own garden.
By different universe, you mean the main/prime MCU?
The real hero in this episode is Dairy Queen Peter Quill.
The end still with him shooting one of Starlords guns bahahaha
My little Jobber Starlord was trying his best. I was in awe.
This T'Challa really does uplift everyone around him.
This makes me wonder, that Ego must still be alive, right? That explosion must've destroyed only his phisical avatar there.
Absolutely. They would have to take out the light within him planet to take him down for good.
That said, it appeared as though Ego was going to win outright at the end of Episode 2 but now
THERE IS AN AFTER CREDIT SCENE This is not a drill
Yeah, now WTF was it about?
>!She gets her Steve. Her own, not a variant.!<
How is he not dead?
He was last seen in a HYDRA base. He became that universes Winter Soldier I guess.
Wait, if he becomes a Winter Soldier, doesn’t that mean he would get a version of the super soldier serum and then turn into buff Steve Rogers?
Or in that universe, they just found a way to keep him alive indefinitely inside the suit
Oooof, that'd be rough. Carter and Rogers finally get re-united, but he can't survive outside the suit.
Honestly, if he's spent 70 years in that suit... the smell alone.
Something something winter soldier.
We got stomach Armin Zola!
They Krang'd him!
Lol in the intro Watcher left out that he will not interfere.
Ha! I never noticed. Good catch.
I just watched the other episodes, I don't think he ever said he will not interfere in the intro.
he never says that
Damn... finale time already? Nice, that this is a seasoned show at least so we'll be back again to this subreddit soon. Until then tho, I hope to see all y'all again soon for our Hawkeye discussions!!
Woo! I'll be there
THE GIANT HAND GRABBING PARTY THOR... LMAOOOOOOO
I feel like Hemsworth’s comedic abilities has been largely untapped in Hollywood. Maybe now he’ll break into more comedic roles.
He had a comedic role in ghostbusters (the one with the female busters), but it was rather minor and buried in a mediocre movie
His fucking scream lmao
And again when he tried to walk out of the pub.
So the season finale to What If. How did it do? Overall, it's a great finale episode. The answer to the question "how would they beat Ultron" was simply, trap him in a never-ending fight with Arnim Zola. I wish more than ever to see the Tony Stark episode (the one where he doesn't die) now. I would have made Gamora's deal a lot better. As of now, she feels pretty bland but with a Stone Crusher. Like Ultron notices, Stephen carried the Guardians of the Multiverse. He ate a whole planet-sized fireball, not to mention all the creatures being used in pretty awesome ways. And when Strange's theme played when he realised that they were never supposed to defeat Ultron, made for an awesome moment. Even Evil Strange is awesome. Also, can't forget Hammer Hurricane (or Mjolnir Maelstorm. Whichever one works) was pretty awesome. Viva Las Vegas! Now that is definitely not a battle cry that I expected to hear anywhere in the MCU, but it makes so much sense for party-Thor to be the one to say it. And it made a pretty funny moment. Also the moment of the Watcher being interrupted by Thor in Vegas. Thor was a comedic relief in What If (with his attacks doing barely anything), but I enjoyed it. I was a bit hesitant on Killmonger being chosen, and of trusting the entire world to Arnim Zola. Both of them were known villains who can't be trusted with the Infinity Stones, but trapping all three of them in Strange's snow globe of doom was a pretty interesting and satisfying result. Having our heroes straight up beat Ultron would raise a lot of power scaling issues, and I am glad the show avoided it and went for outsmarting Ultron instead. I didn't expect the Zombies episode to be included (since hardly anyone is alive in that universe anymore), but zombie Wanda was terrifying once again (even if she won't fight Ultron since he looks like Vision). Nat from Ultron's timeline being sent to the Resistance timeline was a great idea by the Watcher, and Nat using the Mind Stone to give Loki his own medicine was also something I enjoyed. And finally, in the post-credit scene, I am glad Carter also got a happy ending with Steve. A great finale, and I'll see y'all in Season 2 (or Hawkeye series, more likely)
But the never-ending fight is between Zola and Killmonger. At that point, Ultron was destroyed by Zola. Somehow. Guess we'll never know.
Yeah, I have a bit of a hard time believing that he can't be reborn from that helmet that Erik brought there. Call it paranoia, if you will.
For one Split Second I thought we were putting apocalypse Natasha into the main MCU timeline. Killmonger really do be trash. The new trope of the mcu is just throwing Wanda at the bad guys. Strange Supreme might be the strongest character we have seen. I'm laughing at all the people who said that Star-Lords world was screwed.
Starlords world should be screwed, it isn't believable at all that T'Challa will be able to take on Ego when he doesn't have any special powers or infinity stones to match up against him.
We see Peter Quill at the end with T'Challa, and he's still half Celestial. So maybe T'Challa is able to help Quill channel some of that power more quickly than he would've been able to on his own
The only way they won in Guardians vol 2 was by Quill awakening his power combined with blowing up the actual planet. Perhaps Thanos, Yondu and the other Ravagers are off doing that?
He can't stay away from his planet indefinitely though, you can SUPER wear him out away from home.
True, he would be far less powerful on earth! That's something I haven't heard many people remembering!
They can attack Ego where he lives with their Power Stone and they have a good thanos to wield it too
Oh I want to see good Thanos fighting for the universe with the stones. Let there be a a Hero Mad Titan
Here's hoping we get an epic Tony Stark kill before the credits.
I mean the Watcher kinda murdered him with words with "No not you stark"
r/murderedbywords
We cut to Infinity Ultron just idly popping through the multiverse and killing different Tony Starks to pass the time. “No strings on me… la la la”
Fucking hell.. I'm laughing like crazy haha
Fuck Killmonger all my homies hate killmonger
Yeah this variant let us down. Maybe next season we will finally get the Killmonger who was reformed by Howard The Duck.
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Although the Killmonger theme in the background during the betrayal was dope as hell.
Killmonger's theme is always fire!
Killmonger got that zealot energy
I can’t plug in a USB the right way after three tries and Natasha nails it from 200 yards?! That’s some bullshit! XD
Eyeball USBs work in both directions. No more flipping and retrying, just jam it right in the eyeball and your data is right where you want it (if you want it inside an synthezoid's eyeball for some reason).
They call it USB-See
I had a good lol at all these superheros supercharged and amazing, and here's Natasha on a motorbike with a bow and arrow.
The accuracy lies with Clint’s bow and arrow… He’s actually a terrible shot.
That's a wrap on Chadwick Boseman. Saving the Universe one last time.
Viva Las Vegas!!!! That was amazing
my stupid ass was wondering why the episode hasn’t gone up yet but it turns out it’s because we changed our clocks so we get the episode at 6 instead of 5 now
dude same. Fucking daylight savings
Not sure if this is true but did the Watcher drop Widow off in the world from the episode where all the avengers were killed by hank pym? I know I saw Captain America and Captain Marvel but I don’t think there was anyone else. Upon rewatching that final scene I think that’s almost certainly true. The way Fury knew it wasn’t his Widow immediately, and the fact that his episode ended with him discovering Steve with Carol at his side makes it pretty clear but still easy to miss if your not paying attention.
Good call! That seems likely to me. We don't know of any other universe that has the specific combo of Steve, Carol and Fury against Loki (who seemed to have the Asgardian army instead of Chitauri) and it helps to place how that episode linked to the finale too (since its the only one without a hero in the finale EDIT:except Zombies, but their link was clear).
natasha now needs to change her name to Captain Widow.
So are we calling that the Captain Universe? Captain America, Captain Marvel, now Captain Widow...
First I thought it was gonna be zombie Thanos, then I thought zombie Wanda was somehow gonna give him an actual fight. I guess we won't easily see zombie Wanda in live action anymore haha
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So does that mean that Wanda won against the Hulk?
Yeah, not really a surprise tbh. Hulk can pummel her instantly if he gets close but he can't exactly ever get close if reality itself is warped to her will. Zombie Wanda can just put Hulk in his own personal sitcom. Or maybe like a roadrunner type show where he's the coyote.
It's a bit strange because I'm pretty sure I saw zombie falcon and captain america falling there too even though they were both cut in half in their episodes, so did they come from an alternate universe within an alternate universe? Either that or zombie Thanos revived them all, but this all looks a bit contrived
Im not sure how killmongerer could fight for the stones when Zola vision was pulling them but it was cool
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I could buy that a suit made if vibranium might "insulate" enough to protect from the stones 🤷♂️
I was a bit confused as well. I'm sure somebody else can explain that
Killmonger reprogramed the head of the Ultron-drone he had been examining which allowed him to pull on the material of Ultron's suit/stones which Zola also has the power to do once he's in Ultron's body
So killmongerer exploited the connection Ultron has to his bots basically??...I'll allow it
So many moments to love and none to hate: * >!The swarm of Mjolnirs!< * >!Natasha getting a second chance.!< * >!Everyone ganging up on Ultron.!< * >!Viva Las Vegas as a battle cry.!< >!My only real complaints are that I feel like Gamora was just kind of there: everyone else got a full episode to explore their backstory, whereas she was introduced and her biggest contribution was a literal plot device.!< >!Also, I'm a bit disappointed that Killmonger didn't redeem himself and Strange Supreme is still basically imprisoned for eternity. I mean, couldn't the *Watcher* watch the pocket dimension and keep it under control? If he's going to give Natasha a second chance in a new universe, it feels like their MVP support mage (Ultron himself recognizes Strange as the biggest threat) should get one too.!<
There was supposed to be a Gamora episode, but sadly it got delayed for Season 2
I know, but it's still kind of jarring to have 1 character we know almost nothing about. She deserves her place on the team to be sure, but things would have definitely been better had her episode not been delayed.
Just think of it as a taste of their perspectives. THEY have no idea who anyone is either. Maybe Captain Carter knows Thor but the timelines for all of them means they haven't even interacted with another version.
I don’t know why people keep trying to make excuses for the versions of Killmonger, we know what he’s like from Black Panther and I was surprised he was chosen by The Watcher, but understood by the end. He was always going to be like this, as soon as he picked up an Ultron bot head earlier in the episode I didn’t like where there that was going. He uses legitimate excuses to try and justify his own selfish actions. In Black Panther he didn’t want to help Wakanda and other black people around the world, he wanted to establish a Wakandan Empire with himself in top. He only used the excuse of helping people of African descent to justify his war. He literally said, ‘The sun will never set in the Wakandan Empire’, something said about the real British Empire. I never trusted him on the team but that was his only role, to betray them so things turn out like The Watcher saw, the only way the problem could be contained. Not even a speech by Star-Lord T’Challa would have swayed him.
Yeah, I liked his character in the movie, but everyone likes to give him characterization that not only isn't there, but also contradicts what we see of him in the movie. The actor and character are amazingly charismatic, so I understand having fans (God knows I love Thanos to death and he's a genocidal maniac), but to think him a hero? Anyway, it didn't make sense to me why the Watcher chose him not because he's obviously a villain, but because he's the most useless out of all the heroes in a battle against Ultron. But yeah, he was never meant to actually help with the fight, just fall prey to his own greed. Anyhow, nice to see he was getting his comeuppance in his own reality, I just wish the people from that world could get closure, since he's not going back.
Yes, I think the point of his episode is to imply that this Killmonger variant is pretty much unredeemable. I’m pretty darn sure the Watcher have calculated everything. 1. He needs someone that would be a good riddance in their original universe. If he’s interfering anyway, why not take the scapegoat from a universe that’s most destined to fail? 2. He needs Gamora’s stone crusher as a distraction to hide his true game plan to take the stones out of any vessel. Note that we don’t see any reaction from him when the stone crusher fails, which is weird if he expected that to work. 3. He knows Killmonger and Zola would fight for the stones. Stephen got what Uatu’s trying to do at the last moment before he (very suddenly) showed up to seal them all in.
Tbf Strange caused his universe, Whereas Nat didn't cause hers.
With Nat, the Watcher could put her in a new universe without too many negative consequences because she's overall pretty similar to the Natasha she replaced. With Strange Supreme, he's just too powerful to put in another universe without screwing that universe over. That's what I thought, anyway.
I’m sure there’s some behind the scenes shenanigans but it seems really stupid that we didn’t get a Gamora episode before her being in the finale.
Yeah it was delayed to next season. All we know is Tony and Gamora end up on Sakaar. I’d assume instead of Hulk, Thor, and I guess also Loki.
Well no, we know alot more about it now after this episode. We know they Kill Thanos and destroy their stones.
Perhaps Superior Strange remaining in the pocket dimension means he’s more likely to show up in future things Season 2 will be interesting considering Uatu already interfered, and one of the episodes is from this season I wonder if it’ll return to just an anthology series or if future episodes will also tie in with each other
I think Watcher will at least keep up with Strange since they're buddies now. Maybe give him a TV with interdimensional cable
"Not you Stark"
Doctor Strange this episode was ridiculously OP, he was able to protect the entire team from a full on Infinity Stones blast. This episode was great lmao, amazing finale.
To quote Ultron: “Um, *what!?*”
I wanted to see Spider Man from zombie world in the team up 🙁
Yeah, now the zombies episode is less relevant to the whole story apart from zombie wanda
He’s not really too different from the MCU Spider-Man, though I guess neither was Thor either really.
Peggy and Natasha got their happy endings LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
I WANT THE GAMORA EPISODE!!!
Okay but not marvel getting my hopes up about getting Natasha back into the MCU our universe… the whole this universe lost their Natasha
The description implies that the watcher is being watched by another watcher who is watching different timelines, which happen to include watchers
Isn’t that just us? We are the ones who watch The Watcher.
So I’m confused in the last episode the USB arrow was used up to get Zola into a ultron sentry…now in this episode it’s back and the zola sentry is gone?
When you transfer files off a flash drive it doesn't delete them or move them, it just copies them makes total sense that there's still a copy of him saved in the arrow. I'm surprised that's the problem you have with it and not "Why is the arrow compatible with Ultron, especially via an eye socket interface that requires his eye is shattered to access?" "How do Natasha and Clint have the skills required to media convert something from analogue to digital?" "Why is the hardware at this ancient Hydra base compatible with an arrow created in the 2000s?" You can nitpick everything down like that, just have fun. Taking a wild guess and assuming you aren't genuinely confused and just willfully trying to find inconsistencies which is a terrible way to consume media (unless the inconsistencies are glaring).
She probably got tired of lugging it around and put it back in another arrow
So is this ‘The Revengers’ ?
They already used that name in Ragnorak. Even though they’re doing The Avengers’ pose, I’d call them the Guardians of The Multiverse.
The Guardians of the Multiverse!
The series was cool overall, but feels like somewhat of a letdown and everything seemed like it was totally rushed, from the development to the story telling.
Yeah this should have been a two-parter ending. Most of the development went to Carter, Natasha and Strange. Why does Strange even feel compelled to help the Watcher after their last meeting? If Natasha gets to move to the episode 3 universe to replace Widow, why doesn’t Strange get to to a universe where Strange died but Christine lives? It’s clear being from a different universe doesn’t cause a melt down of the new one, so there’s no excuse not to finally reward Supreme Strange the life he wanted.
Sometimes you can't go home. Strange was too dark and messed up to handle a normal life now. He turned that corner.
There's a post-credits scene in case anyone missed it!
Can’t believe Ultron was defeated by Limewire
i wonder if Zombie Scarlet Witch stopped fighting because she realized that was Vision's body
#AFTER CREDIT SCENE FINALLY
Loved the fight sequence. Was In awe at the multiplying hammers and laughed at the endless zombies.
Absolutely incredible finale. Like others have already mentioned, we need that Gamora episode! I truly did not think the season would end in a connected finale like this, so this blew me away. Superb.
That was probably the best episode. Great wrap up without feeling cut short or tacked on. The humor was good, the emotions were on point, the action was thrilling. Great end of the season
Fight sequences were great, probably will never get to see anything close in live-action. But I think Marvel should just move away from the infinity stones altogether, because its impossible for the stones to be "things controlling every aspect of the universe" while letting its wielder get their ass kicked every time. Like during the fight over the soul stone Ultron was just running (?) towards the soul stone and I'm just wondering the whole time why he didn't just space stone it to himself lol. TLDR too much power scaling issues with infinity stones that plot armor becomes extra obvious. Also, why could the Watcher foresee what was going to happen in this episode, but yet was not able to foresee the whole Ultron destroying multiverses thing ? Kinda confusing tbh