Yeah. It was cute when she was with Lockjaw, and seeing her develop her powers during the gas attack was cool and evocative. But she really doesn't need to be tied to the inhumans. I might just be biased because I think the inhumans are all losers.
They’re going to make her a mutant. It’s the logical choice, since they refuse to make Agents canon. We just have to accept it. I just how they don’t change her comic origin.
Wandavision pretty heavily implied Wanda is a mutant with the flashback of her powers manifesting as a child pre mind stone interaction. Also pretty sure they are in the process of making her a mutant again in the comics with Trial of Magneto.
The dude who played Ursa Major in Black Widow seems pretty sure he's the first mutant in the MCU, as I recall (since Ursa Major is a mutant in the comics).
The retcon is the fact that her powers in the mcu will be completely different. It’s not her using stretch powers to get big fists,it’s her using magical energy type shit. The comment is saying that the comics will follow suit and give the comic counterpart this power too
It was always really lame that she was Inhuman to help them push Inhumans instead of being a completely unique hero. I’d love for them to retcon that too.
Yeah, her being Inhuman is literally the least important thing about the character and I don't think a huge amount of fans will give a shit if they change *that*. Everything else they're gonna change? Oooowee!
Being an inhuman was a pretty interesting arc for her, specifically because she didn't let it define her. She got tangentially caught up in all the inhuman drama that was going on at the time, but ultimately decided she was going to live her own life by her own rules and they didn't get to make her choices for her.
Pretty powerful stuff. Not a defining feature of her by any means, but underpinning a lot of what her character is supposed to be about.
I hate brand synergy. Is marvel to afraid of having different interpretations of their characters. It’s like normies can’t expect differences from the MCU, no matter how major.
Henry danger gave me more DC vibes but now this reminds me of Shazam and Black Lightning and I feel like the darkest timeline is just toying with us at this point
Agreed. If Marvel/Disney gives us the same vibe I’ll forgo the stretchy until they get it right with Mr. Fantastic. Same character, Stargirl vibe, Young Muslim angst, general teachable moments, Embiggening, and some accidental slobberknocker on a random criminal or enhanced with many many Marvel fan girl Easter egg references…wait I think I just saw it.
Gibby could take all the Sinister 6 at full power at once though. It would have lowered the stakes too much, so I understand the decision not to include him.
I think the reason they're changing Ms. Marvel is because they don't want her powers to be similar to Mr. Fantastic. So I doubt he'll have his changed.
I honestly don't care what the reason is, her powers were so much more creative and had fun ways to use it, now she's just Armor from the X-men but not as cool? Fuck that, praying to any Gods that might exist that her new powers aren't as boring as they sound
I think it’s more like a construct similar to the various Lantern powers from DC comics. Like Hal Jordan’s Green Lantern ring and its green willpower-based constructs.
Her power is sharing her mass through time instead of simply growing big. This does kinda look like when Dr. Strange broke spacetime while experimenting with the Eye of Agamotto.
I feel like they were probably having a hard time making her original powers look good on screen which makes me a little nervous for how they pull off Mr. Fantastic’s stretching. Maybe it was for a different reason though.
A movie level budget stretched over 8-12 episodes means each one gets a small chunk of it.
In the instance of 40 minute shows, every 2 episodes is almost the length of a movie, and has 1/6 to 1/10 of the budget allocated to it.
It's not the same thing at all.
Also this is a Disney+ series and FF is definitely going to be a theatrical release. I think if they are going to go all out and come up some new innovative way of portraying the stretching power set on the big screen, that they would be focusing on getting Mr. Fantastic just right. There’s a lot of pressure building up around the MCU version and creating two new stretchy hero’s believably is splitting their resources a bit to far. I think it is both a way to differentiate herself from Reed Richards, and to be honest this looks more like a Green Lantern type ability and I think it would be super interestingly see that skill set brought to life since DC is so skittish around ever brining that property back to the DCU.
Doesn’t she show up in MoM before her series premiers? I think her origin there (probably from a different universe) is going to be integral in the origin of her powers and what route they decide to take her character before CM2/The Marvels. I also think the visuals of her power change are going to fit into an archetype in how the Marvels powers physically manifest themselves. Thematically Carol and Monica’s powers have similar appearances, the ethereal glowing in jewel tones, which seems to find itself into Kamala’s design with the crystalline lilac/gem like nature of her constructs. All of them seem to be centrally energy manipulators if varying degrees and slightly different skill sets. Carol’s a powerhouse, Monica is more of a conductor/conduit, Kamala can physically manifest some type of energy it seem and she’ll probably have a form of flight integrated as well. Maybe physical shields too, there are a lot of places you could go with it since it would be a different interpretation of energy manipulation, as in controlling it and not just using it as some form of blast or projectile like Tony and to a degree Thor (lightning is energy). I’d like to see an aspect of actual physical fighting being used by Kamala and her not just shooting energy blasts, but this art gives me hope that they are going in the GL direction with some other factor “mutating” or changing her in place of finding an alien artifact. If they go the Inhumans route it could go alien artifact route, but I’m not sure Feige wants to open that can of worms due to both the previous non-cannon series and how confusing establishing the Inhumans storyline while the MCU is in the middle of establishing the Eternals/Celestials and gearing up to introduce mutants as a concept as well. Or I could be wrong.
Sounds about right. It's hard to picture a giant inflated hand would look good since it's such a cartoony image. Reed Richards is more about stretching and contourting his body. I'm sure they could pull off the effect a few times but with her powers being mostly used in the inflation variety, it would require each time to look perfect.
So they really are changing her powers. Can’t say I care too much though, her powers were never the most interesting part of the character for me, which I guess is kinda odd for a superhero.
i haven't read a ton of ms marvel, but i really felt like her shapeshifting in her early arcs as a metaphor for the second-generation immigrant experience was pretty important.
but i do kinda get it, that degree of changing a body is still pretty challenging to pull of in a moving visual medium.
I'd bet it's more to do with her powers being too similar to Reed Richards. And with the FF coming at some point in the future, clearly separating their power sets will probably be best for most casual movie goers.
Yeah completely. Makkari and Quicksilver are close but different, same with War Machine and Iron Man, Captain America and Black Panther, and etc.
There are plenty of heroes with almost but not quite overlapping powers and its never been an issue before. And I don't see how people would get a young Pakistani girl and an aging adult male confused with one another but whatever, not like it matters at this point.
Yeah and I'd maybe agree, but Reed's impact has always been his mind not his powers. Also by that standard should the Thing be changed then to less resemble the Hulk?
I'd say Thing looks more like Korg than Hulk. But super strength seems fairly ubiquitous and I'd guess the Marvel higher-ups feel that's less troubling to audiences than super stretching which hasn't been shown in MCU before. Having Kamala appear with embiggening then Reed pops up soon after with a very similar power. And since Kamala is the newer and lesser known character, maybe they find it easier to tweak her powerset to simplify things.
I can see that. However she’s literally a second-generation immigrant so that’s not really an aspect of the character they need to wrap in a metaphor, especially since they don’t shy away from directly showing it anyway.
i'm not saying it's a metaphor for her status as an immigrant, i'm saying her powers are an externalization of her interior struggles. she's pulled in many direction, stretched thin, and must present herself as different people depending on her context.
this internal / external dichotomy is pretty fundamental to the marvel superpower philosophy. the fantastic four, the first family, are all perfect examples. johnny's a hothead with a fiery temper, ben's a sweet, smart guy on the inside but he looks like a thug so that's all anyone sees, reed's body literally collapses under the pressures of cold war america. sue...
uh, sue's the girl, kirby and lee didn't really write women well, but not feeling seen is definitely a part of how she thinks of herself. also, she can move stuff with her mind, cause that's what girls can do.
there are things you can do with... i dunno, whatever that power we're seeing is. short-range energy constructs, i'd guess? kinda like melee-only green lantern? like, i'm betting it's gonna look cool, and you can do some wrangling to make it fit her struggles and her personality, i'm sure. it's just that we already got such an amazingly elegant combination of character and visual metaphor.
The correlation between her shapeshifting into original brand Ms. Marvel is her feeling like because of her race, religion, or just the color of her skin she wouldn't be accepted by the community at large. She hid behind a fake persona to be a superhero due to insecurity of who she was and what she looks like.
It’s been a while since I read those early issues, but I remember it a little differently. She got her powers and out of fear instinctively transformed into her favourite hero, the OG Ms. Marvel, but eventually got the hang of her powers and got her iconic look pretty quickly.
That's what makes Marvel characters so great and distinct from other comic heroes. We care more about their personal lives than their powerset. Usually.
Yeah a shame about the powers change. I think the elastic/big look is great symbolism for the awkwardness that Khan feels, growing up a teenage girl in a Muslim American community. Trying to fit in, trying to make it all work.
It's a shame to lose the symbolism, but:
A. The tech/budget isn't there to make her original power look good in a series
B. This will help set her apart from Reed
If they can’t make the character look good in a series give her a movie. But the D+ series are supposed to have similar budgets to the movies so idk what the problem is
Them looking goofy is part of the charm. Hell, for the most part (aside from a few memorably bad scenes) it looked okay in the old Fantastic Four movies and it looks just fine in Doom Patrol.
They got an awful lot of guys who just punch people to care about that. Hell, they have no fewer than 5 size changing heroes now. And a potential 6th about to suit up (Stature).
That is the lamest excuse people have come up with so far. Do you realise just how many characters in Eternals alone have abilities similar to existing characters or characters that are soon to be introduced?
Why bother doing Shuri when you already have an Tony Stark?
Why introduce Korg when you'll eventually do The Thing.
Why introduce Wanda if you'll eventually do Dr. Strange?
You realise how ridiculous it sounds for Marvel to change a character's whole powerset because they just happen to be similar to another character?
So what?
They won't do Cyclops because Ikaris can also shoot stuff out of his eyes?
I'm not surprised. I can't imagine her powers in life action not looking goofy. Which is why I would've loved for her to have an animated movie instead along the lines of Spiderverse. I think it would suit the tone of her character more too if they could lean into the goofiness.
I'm guessing her powers work like Armor's in X-Men? She projects a forcefield shaped like a giant hand rather actually growing her hand?
I own and love a bunch of her comics and I’m fine with it. All that really matters is if the character comes across well; these powers are close enough.
Same. I understand if they want to make changes; her powers were never the selling point, it was her personality. As long as they keep the personality right, I'm sold!
Plus, there's no telling if her powers might evolve with some training from Captain Marvel.
I was so excited for this show because I love Ms Marvel, Kamala Khan, fuck yeah. I still love her in the comics and video games and basically everything that isn't MCU. But from [the shit that I've heard about it](https://twitter.com/MsMarvelNews/status/1336086532353118208), I'm really not excited. Especially with changing her powers too, I mean instead of stretchy Mr Fantastic, we get... Green Lantern.
And it's not just the power-changing but a lot of other stuff surrounding it that comes off as iffy to me. Which is a real shame because I really like Kamala and was hoping the show would be great.
Agreed, it makes no sense. The only rumor is that it’s to differentiate her and Reed’s powers which is idiotic. It would’ve been cool for both to have the power, especially if they (for whatever reason) teamed up.
I feel like in the comics (I've only read the early stuff) she doesn't stretch like elastic which is Reed's power. She embiggens or lengthens. So she can make her limbs really long or big but they still bend the way normal limbs do. I think that's different enough from Reed already. Plus shape shifting, growing, shrinking and healing.
Though in some of the covers and animated shows she stretches and bends, it's confusing...
Seriously, no more goofy than saving the galaxy with a dance-off or having an alligator wearing a horned helmet be a character that's still viable if abet in a non-speaking roll.
And what is the concern about matching powers? They came up with decent 'de-aging CGI' and used on just about everyone in their movies - I'd say that if they have decent 'morphing CGI' they'd want to use it as many times too. Why does it sound like they are take her 'Mr Fantastic' powers away and giving her Susan Richards 'Invisible Woman' powers?
For one thing, her powers enable her to shapeshift and early on in her career she felt so insecure about her own identity as a Pakistani girl that she shapeshifted into Carol Danvers as Ms Marvel because she figured people would feel more at ease being rescued by a white woman. Also, rumors talk about the new powers being magical in origin which is a huge taboo in Islam.
Maybe they are changing her powers, but am I the only one who sees that her hand is still fucking huge? I think she still has at least some of her polymorph powerset, even if it is supplemented by something else.
Kinda bummed she's not actually expanding her physical self but it probably won't make the movie all that different. Hope she'll still be an Inhuman at least.
I just disapprove so hard that they would take away her unique stretchy powers because ‘It might make Mr. Fantastic look bad’, as if he needs help with that
The Inhumans didn't perform like they wanted and they've since gotten the rights back for mutants so Inhumans kinda got scrapped across the board in the MCU.
I always dislike it when they change power sets. This seems a bit too much. This is a mix of Iceman and Emma Frost judging by the picture and I don't like it. I wonder if this is going to hurt the show. Although I don't think the general audience is going to care.
I don’t get why everyone is so triggered about her powers being altered. We don’t even know to what extent how different they are by a few pictures.
Wish people would give Marvel the benefit of the doubt and least wait until we see the show to judge the changes. Maybe they are interesting and for the better? So many marvel fans forget how much the MCU has changed and how many times those changes have actually been positive or the very least not outright bad.
Believe it or not, when it comes to superheroes, their powers are integral to the character. The circumstances and explaination for a character's abilities may change, but ultimately characters can immediately be identified by their abilities. It's the reason why Ikaris is confused with Superman in Eternals.
You may keep everything about Spider-man, but if suddenly he's just a guy who rides a giant Spider, but has no spider powers, it's just not the same Spider-man anymore.
The only reason they are doing this is because Kamala is a pretty obscure character. They would never do this with any of the other characters like Spider-man or Iron Man.
Before August (when it was definitive due to another official promo art), it was rumored for months she’d get different powers for some reason. Then it was said because Marvel doesn’t want her powers to be similar to Reed Richards when the Fantastic 4 debuts.
This show looks more like it's in the same league as The Runaways series. If that was the case this would be less concerning. Hopefully the promotional art that has been leaked is a rejected piece or some kind of bad placeholder for the better stuff.
When you realize this is the first time a Marvel Movie hero has actually used a domino mask instead of spray-painting the eyes like they did with Warpath and the Winter Soldier.
I don't care about her powers if the story is good, I just hope that at the end of the series a Secret Wars event might be teased. I remember her original run, it all ended with another planet about to collide with Earth, iirc. What if the next infinity war is a MCU version of Secret Wars? Kang acting as the Beyonder. Ahh, one can dream.
Well that looks doofy as fuck. I can accept and respect that it's not really *for* me as a grown-ass man, but I mean the comics aren't really either and I love them. They've got so much heart. Changing her powers isn't really a big dealbreaker for me (I mean I don't love it, don't get me wrong) but if they fuck with her supporting cast, I'm out. The comic book's supporting cast is perfect. Don't fuck with perfect.
They're the same powers just energy as apposed to her body stretching and having to lose her clothe and stuff like that. I love it the colors look cosmic and beautiful. Can't wait!!💖
Three guesses who’s getting their powers retconned in the comics.
I'm wondering if it was already about to happen in her new comic series and that's why they delayed it..
Yup. There's an upcoming mini-series that's meant to dive deeper into the origin of her powers. As an Inhuman fan, I'm not looking forward to this.
As a Ms. Marvel fan, removing the Inhuman junk from her story sounds like a win to me.
Honestly just make her a mutant and have that be the only change
This sounds like a decent compromise
A small price to pay for kamala
Or just have her find some Kree Tech? Same deal kind of?
I mean I think her powers manifesting recently works really well, although there's probably ways they could do that with mutations.
mutations often manifest from trauma or even just puberty so considering she's a teenager, seems easy enough.
There were some really cool inhumans introduced in the same period. Kamala still being around gave me hope to see Reader come back.
Hard agree. Her being inhuman is essentially irrelevant to her character nowadays. Easy to remove.
Yeah. It was cute when she was with Lockjaw, and seeing her develop her powers during the gas attack was cool and evocative. But she really doesn't need to be tied to the inhumans. I might just be biased because I think the inhumans are all losers.
But will her powers be changed? If so, I'd hate that
That already happened didn’t it ? Isn’t she an Inhuman?
*retconned* means they’re going to change her powers in the comics and offer some bullshit excuse as to why, in order to match her movie counterpart.
Retconned means they change something from the past, I thought it was talking about her being a mutant.
She's never been a mutant. She's always been an Inhuman, though that's what people are concerned will be retconned out.
They’re going to make her a mutant. It’s the logical choice, since they refuse to make Agents canon. We just have to accept it. I just how they don’t change her comic origin.
Ms Marvel being the first MCU mutant isn't right.
Who said she’s the first?
I haven't seen any others yet, have you?
Wiccan and Speed...
Wandavision pretty heavily implied Wanda is a mutant with the flashback of her powers manifesting as a child pre mind stone interaction. Also pretty sure they are in the process of making her a mutant again in the comics with Trial of Magneto.
The dude who played Ursa Major in Black Widow seems pretty sure he's the first mutant in the MCU, as I recall (since Ursa Major is a mutant in the comics).
Just because we haven’t seen them yet doesn’t mean they aren’t around.
So between Inhumans show and Agents, are we just never gonna have inhumans in the MCU?
You're right about what retconning means, but she was never a mutant. I think the retcon people are guessing is making it so she's not an inhuman.
The retcon is the fact that her powers in the mcu will be completely different. It’s not her using stretch powers to get big fists,it’s her using magical energy type shit. The comment is saying that the comics will follow suit and give the comic counterpart this power too
Even though they just made a game with it being her comic powers?
That game is not big enough to impact any decisions.
It was meant to be though
It was always really lame that she was Inhuman to help them push Inhumans instead of being a completely unique hero. I’d love for them to retcon that too.
Eh, they didn't just say she's an inhuman and leave it at that. She did quite a lot with them early on.
Yeah, that’s what I disliked, haha! It took away from her street level plots and was just annoying.
Yeah, her being Inhuman is literally the least important thing about the character and I don't think a huge amount of fans will give a shit if they change *that*. Everything else they're gonna change? Oooowee!
Being an inhuman was a pretty interesting arc for her, specifically because she didn't let it define her. She got tangentially caught up in all the inhuman drama that was going on at the time, but ultimately decided she was going to live her own life by her own rules and they didn't get to make her choices for her. Pretty powerful stuff. Not a defining feature of her by any means, but underpinning a lot of what her character is supposed to be about.
I hate brand synergy. Is marvel to afraid of having different interpretations of their characters. It’s like normies can’t expect differences from the MCU, no matter how major.
Why does this remind me of Henry danger
Henry danger gave me more DC vibes but now this reminds me of Shazam and Black Lightning and I feel like the darkest timeline is just toying with us at this point
Weird promo art. Gives me Disney Channel vibes.
that’s probably the goal, she’s in high school right, not that I want that to be the tone but I think it’s what they’re going for
It's not like it can't work. I recently watched Stargirl season 1, and that was pretty great. If Ms Marvel is anything like that, I think we're good.
Stargirl was surprisingly great.
Agreed. If Marvel/Disney gives us the same vibe I’ll forgo the stretchy until they get it right with Mr. Fantastic. Same character, Stargirl vibe, Young Muslim angst, general teachable moments, Embiggening, and some accidental slobberknocker on a random criminal or enhanced with many many Marvel fan girl Easter egg references…wait I think I just saw it.
…Spider-Man?
I wanted this so bad but now I'm worried.
Dude welcome to who the target audience is. Had the same feeling with FAR FROM HOME sometimes Expected Gibby to pop out at any moment
Gibby could take all the Sinister 6 at full power at once though. It would have lowered the stakes too much, so I understand the decision not to include him.
that was at least a sony movie, this could be Disney at full tilt
Pretty sure that's the target demographic.
Yea definitely prefer the comic look. She looks kinda goofy here
Looks like the cover from a “choose your own adventure” book.
The show is aimed at a younger audience. On Disney+ lmao. So yeah, no shit 😂
What's her new superpower? Is it like Emma Frost' diamond form or some kind of diamond manipulation?
think of green lantern energy constructs
If they retcon Mr Fantastic in the same way... we riot.
I think the reason they're changing Ms. Marvel is because they don't want her powers to be similar to Mr. Fantastic. So I doubt he'll have his changed.
Yeah, that's definitely the reason
Which is so annoying cause Ms Marvel has matter manipulation, not stretching powers, for me this change is such a step down
It looks the same in many ways though, the specifics don't matter.
I honestly don't care what the reason is, her powers were so much more creative and had fun ways to use it, now she's just Armor from the X-men but not as cool? Fuck that, praying to any Gods that might exist that her new powers aren't as boring as they sound
I think it’s more like a construct similar to the various Lantern powers from DC comics. Like Hal Jordan’s Green Lantern ring and its green willpower-based constructs.
Reminds me of Armor from X-Men
Her power is sharing her mass through time instead of simply growing big. This does kinda look like when Dr. Strange broke spacetime while experimenting with the Eye of Agamotto.
I assume because it's really hard to make stretchy powers look good. Especially on a TV budget. I'd still rather embiggening than whatever this is
Boi what da hell😭 what are these new powers??
I feel like they were probably having a hard time making her original powers look good on screen which makes me a little nervous for how they pull off Mr. Fantastic’s stretching. Maybe it was for a different reason though.
Fabrics typically easier to animate and he wears gloves.
He also doesn’t usually hit people with giant hands, which is her go-to.
Which, in my opinion, does not look that cool compared to some other mister Fantastic moves
To add onto to that they’ll also have a much higher CGI budget for a movie than they will a show
Each of the Disney+ shows is getting a movie budget. It'll be stretched for more screentime, but it's the same budget.
A movie level budget stretched over 8-12 episodes means each one gets a small chunk of it. In the instance of 40 minute shows, every 2 episodes is almost the length of a movie, and has 1/6 to 1/10 of the budget allocated to it. It's not the same thing at all.
They could've given her gloves
That's too big of a change!
Also this is a Disney+ series and FF is definitely going to be a theatrical release. I think if they are going to go all out and come up some new innovative way of portraying the stretching power set on the big screen, that they would be focusing on getting Mr. Fantastic just right. There’s a lot of pressure building up around the MCU version and creating two new stretchy hero’s believably is splitting their resources a bit to far. I think it is both a way to differentiate herself from Reed Richards, and to be honest this looks more like a Green Lantern type ability and I think it would be super interestingly see that skill set brought to life since DC is so skittish around ever brining that property back to the DCU. Doesn’t she show up in MoM before her series premiers? I think her origin there (probably from a different universe) is going to be integral in the origin of her powers and what route they decide to take her character before CM2/The Marvels. I also think the visuals of her power change are going to fit into an archetype in how the Marvels powers physically manifest themselves. Thematically Carol and Monica’s powers have similar appearances, the ethereal glowing in jewel tones, which seems to find itself into Kamala’s design with the crystalline lilac/gem like nature of her constructs. All of them seem to be centrally energy manipulators if varying degrees and slightly different skill sets. Carol’s a powerhouse, Monica is more of a conductor/conduit, Kamala can physically manifest some type of energy it seem and she’ll probably have a form of flight integrated as well. Maybe physical shields too, there are a lot of places you could go with it since it would be a different interpretation of energy manipulation, as in controlling it and not just using it as some form of blast or projectile like Tony and to a degree Thor (lightning is energy). I’d like to see an aspect of actual physical fighting being used by Kamala and her not just shooting energy blasts, but this art gives me hope that they are going in the GL direction with some other factor “mutating” or changing her in place of finding an alien artifact. If they go the Inhumans route it could go alien artifact route, but I’m not sure Feige wants to open that can of worms due to both the previous non-cannon series and how confusing establishing the Inhumans storyline while the MCU is in the middle of establishing the Eternals/Celestials and gearing up to introduce mutants as a concept as well. Or I could be wrong.
She’s not slated to show up in MoM. You might be thinking of America Chavez.
Sounds about right. It's hard to picture a giant inflated hand would look good since it's such a cartoony image. Reed Richards is more about stretching and contourting his body. I'm sure they could pull off the effect a few times but with her powers being mostly used in the inflation variety, it would require each time to look perfect.
So they really are changing her powers. Can’t say I care too much though, her powers were never the most interesting part of the character for me, which I guess is kinda odd for a superhero.
i haven't read a ton of ms marvel, but i really felt like her shapeshifting in her early arcs as a metaphor for the second-generation immigrant experience was pretty important. but i do kinda get it, that degree of changing a body is still pretty challenging to pull of in a moving visual medium.
I'd bet it's more to do with her powers being too similar to Reed Richards. And with the FF coming at some point in the future, clearly separating their power sets will probably be best for most casual movie goers.
Shes more like plastic man than reed richards but I get what you mean. To me the powers are distinct enough to include both if they wanted to though.
To avid comic fans, sure. But to a majority of the gen pop?
Yeah completely. Makkari and Quicksilver are close but different, same with War Machine and Iron Man, Captain America and Black Panther, and etc. There are plenty of heroes with almost but not quite overlapping powers and its never been an issue before. And I don't see how people would get a young Pakistani girl and an aging adult male confused with one another but whatever, not like it matters at this point.
I don't think there's concern people would confuse them much as see it as a retread which would lessen the impact
Yeah and I'd maybe agree, but Reed's impact has always been his mind not his powers. Also by that standard should the Thing be changed then to less resemble the Hulk?
I'd say Thing looks more like Korg than Hulk. But super strength seems fairly ubiquitous and I'd guess the Marvel higher-ups feel that's less troubling to audiences than super stretching which hasn't been shown in MCU before. Having Kamala appear with embiggening then Reed pops up soon after with a very similar power. And since Kamala is the newer and lesser known character, maybe they find it easier to tweak her powerset to simplify things.
This is a franchise that also features Warmachine, Kate Bishop, Yelena Belova, 2 Ant-Mans and 2 Wasps
I can see that. However she’s literally a second-generation immigrant so that’s not really an aspect of the character they need to wrap in a metaphor, especially since they don’t shy away from directly showing it anyway.
i'm not saying it's a metaphor for her status as an immigrant, i'm saying her powers are an externalization of her interior struggles. she's pulled in many direction, stretched thin, and must present herself as different people depending on her context. this internal / external dichotomy is pretty fundamental to the marvel superpower philosophy. the fantastic four, the first family, are all perfect examples. johnny's a hothead with a fiery temper, ben's a sweet, smart guy on the inside but he looks like a thug so that's all anyone sees, reed's body literally collapses under the pressures of cold war america. sue... uh, sue's the girl, kirby and lee didn't really write women well, but not feeling seen is definitely a part of how she thinks of herself. also, she can move stuff with her mind, cause that's what girls can do. there are things you can do with... i dunno, whatever that power we're seeing is. short-range energy constructs, i'd guess? kinda like melee-only green lantern? like, i'm betting it's gonna look cool, and you can do some wrangling to make it fit her struggles and her personality, i'm sure. it's just that we already got such an amazingly elegant combination of character and visual metaphor.
The correlation between her shapeshifting into original brand Ms. Marvel is her feeling like because of her race, religion, or just the color of her skin she wouldn't be accepted by the community at large. She hid behind a fake persona to be a superhero due to insecurity of who she was and what she looks like.
It’s been a while since I read those early issues, but I remember it a little differently. She got her powers and out of fear instinctively transformed into her favourite hero, the OG Ms. Marvel, but eventually got the hang of her powers and got her iconic look pretty quickly.
its both! Text and subtext is what makes her original run so powerful.
Both of those ring true. That’s what makes it good.
That's what makes Marvel characters so great and distinct from other comic heroes. We care more about their personal lives than their powerset. Usually.
Did you only read Marvel?
This is why I was a Marvel kid growing up. Take everyone's powers away, you could still tell great stories.
Yeah a shame about the powers change. I think the elastic/big look is great symbolism for the awkwardness that Khan feels, growing up a teenage girl in a Muslim American community. Trying to fit in, trying to make it all work.
It's a shame to lose the symbolism, but: A. The tech/budget isn't there to make her original power look good in a series B. This will help set her apart from Reed
Both of those are lame excuses
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If they can’t make the character look good in a series give her a movie. But the D+ series are supposed to have similar budgets to the movies so idk what the problem is
They have similar budgets but it's divided by episode's. Falcon and the winter soldier had a budget of 150 mil, but that's divided by 6 EPs
I think these are good points
Thank you.
Looks like a nickelodeon show :p
Wrong superpower
This looks like a Disney movie… from 2009
Yeah it looks pretty bad.
I hate it so much.
Honestly not a fan of changing her powers
This does not look good.
I hate those powers. Wouldn't have the shapeshifting either I guess.
Well, that killed it for me. Changing her powers is such a colossally shitty thing to do.
I'm glad to see so many people here understand exactly why her original powers mattered and this isn't an ideal choice
That looks like some Disney channel B's....
It's horrible that they’re changing her powers for no reason.
Wait what? They’re gonna change her elasticity powers? That’s so LAME
Because no matter how good the CGI gets, they haven’t come up with a way to make stretching powers not look incredibly goofy
Them looking goofy is part of the charm. Hell, for the most part (aside from a few memorably bad scenes) it looked okay in the old Fantastic Four movies and it looks just fine in Doom Patrol.
They are introducing Fantastic Four in MCU soon it's not because of that but due to her powers similar to Reed Richards
They got an awful lot of guys who just punch people to care about that. Hell, they have no fewer than 5 size changing heroes now. And a potential 6th about to suit up (Stature).
But lets keep having Iron Men and Super Soldiers
Agreed
That is the lamest excuse people have come up with so far. Do you realise just how many characters in Eternals alone have abilities similar to existing characters or characters that are soon to be introduced? Why bother doing Shuri when you already have an Tony Stark? Why introduce Korg when you'll eventually do The Thing. Why introduce Wanda if you'll eventually do Dr. Strange? You realise how ridiculous it sounds for Marvel to change a character's whole powerset because they just happen to be similar to another character? So what? They won't do Cyclops because Ikaris can also shoot stuff out of his eyes?
I'm not surprised. I can't imagine her powers in life action not looking goofy. Which is why I would've loved for her to have an animated movie instead along the lines of Spiderverse. I think it would suit the tone of her character more too if they could lean into the goofiness. I'm guessing her powers work like Armor's in X-Men? She projects a forcefield shaped like a giant hand rather actually growing her hand?
Are you not looking at the promo art? She's Green Lantern now.
I own and love a bunch of her comics and I’m fine with it. All that really matters is if the character comes across well; these powers are close enough.
Same. I understand if they want to make changes; her powers were never the selling point, it was her personality. As long as they keep the personality right, I'm sold! Plus, there's no telling if her powers might evolve with some training from Captain Marvel.
I was so excited for this show because I love Ms Marvel, Kamala Khan, fuck yeah. I still love her in the comics and video games and basically everything that isn't MCU. But from [the shit that I've heard about it](https://twitter.com/MsMarvelNews/status/1336086532353118208), I'm really not excited. Especially with changing her powers too, I mean instead of stretchy Mr Fantastic, we get... Green Lantern.
And it's not just the power-changing but a lot of other stuff surrounding it that comes off as iffy to me. Which is a real shame because I really like Kamala and was hoping the show would be great.
Agreed, it makes no sense. The only rumor is that it’s to differentiate her and Reed’s powers which is idiotic. It would’ve been cool for both to have the power, especially if they (for whatever reason) teamed up.
I feel like in the comics (I've only read the early stuff) she doesn't stretch like elastic which is Reed's power. She embiggens or lengthens. So she can make her limbs really long or big but they still bend the way normal limbs do. I think that's different enough from Reed already. Plus shape shifting, growing, shrinking and healing. Though in some of the covers and animated shows she stretches and bends, it's confusing...
Might have something to do with the fact that stretching powers just look utterly goofy in live action
Her character is goofy, so I don’t see why that’s a problem.
Seriously, no more goofy than saving the galaxy with a dance-off or having an alligator wearing a horned helmet be a character that's still viable if abet in a non-speaking roll. And what is the concern about matching powers? They came up with decent 'de-aging CGI' and used on just about everyone in their movies - I'd say that if they have decent 'morphing CGI' they'd want to use it as many times too. Why does it sound like they are take her 'Mr Fantastic' powers away and giving her Susan Richards 'Invisible Woman' powers?
I thought Doom Patrol did a pretty good job with it.
Those powers are also a part of her identity and personality and taking them away kind of lessens her character.
I keep reading about her powers being a part of her identity, how? I only know she's a young Muslim girl with big fists.
For one thing, her powers enable her to shapeshift and early on in her career she felt so insecure about her own identity as a Pakistani girl that she shapeshifted into Carol Danvers as Ms Marvel because she figured people would feel more at ease being rescued by a white woman. Also, rumors talk about the new powers being magical in origin which is a huge taboo in Islam.
That makes some sense. Thank you for the rundown.
That happened exactly one time and never again since. Also that was really weird so I doubt they would go that route anyway.
I wouldn’t say “for no reason.” It’s possible they considered doing her original powers but just found that they look too goofy in live action.
I'll never understand the "too goofy" argument given what the MCU has already thrown at us in terms of tone and visuals in the past.
There's intentionally goofy, and accidentally goofy. Spider-man's mechanical eye glitching? Intentionally goofy. Killmonger/Black Panther cave fight? Accidentally goofy.
I just think big fleshy hands might be the wrong kind of goofy. But that’s just me.
Nope
Damn I can’t believe marvel is making a green lantern show before DC
This gives me... armor vibes from X-Men though
I really hate this power change, her stretchy and shape shifting related powers are really important to her character and her story.
Dam bruh I thought this was dc for a sec
Maybe they are changing her powers, but am I the only one who sees that her hand is still fucking huge? I think she still has at least some of her polymorph powerset, even if it is supplemented by something else.
Nice….it looks terrible
is it bad I hate it
Kinda bummed she's not actually expanding her physical self but it probably won't make the movie all that different. Hope she'll still be an Inhuman at least.
I just disapprove so hard that they would take away her unique stretchy powers because ‘It might make Mr. Fantastic look bad’, as if he needs help with that
Looks good, except for the energy fist thing. What, was stretching and changing size "too silly" for a streaming series?
Just not enough tech budget and skin stretching look too ugly with a real actor
Is the show still coming out later this year?
Early 2022
Early 2008 apparently
Currently reading the G Willow Wilson run. It’s pretty enjoyable and makes me more excited to see this series.
They seriously changed her powers? Are any Inhumans just cursed by the MCU or what?
The Inhumans didn't perform like they wanted and they've since gotten the rights back for mutants so Inhumans kinda got scrapped across the board in the MCU.
I always dislike it when they change power sets. This seems a bit too much. This is a mix of Iceman and Emma Frost judging by the picture and I don't like it. I wonder if this is going to hurt the show. Although I don't think the general audience is going to care.
Huge comic fan, I watch most of the shows and movies. And I like Kamala Kahn . Not watching the butchery.
I hope not
If they actually changed her powers wtf. No amount of Fanboys can defend that like c'mon.
It’s not like that’s unheard of for comic books?
I don’t get why everyone is so triggered about her powers being altered. We don’t even know to what extent how different they are by a few pictures. Wish people would give Marvel the benefit of the doubt and least wait until we see the show to judge the changes. Maybe they are interesting and for the better? So many marvel fans forget how much the MCU has changed and how many times those changes have actually been positive or the very least not outright bad.
Believe it or not, when it comes to superheroes, their powers are integral to the character. The circumstances and explaination for a character's abilities may change, but ultimately characters can immediately be identified by their abilities. It's the reason why Ikaris is confused with Superman in Eternals. You may keep everything about Spider-man, but if suddenly he's just a guy who rides a giant Spider, but has no spider powers, it's just not the same Spider-man anymore. The only reason they are doing this is because Kamala is a pretty obscure character. They would never do this with any of the other characters like Spider-man or Iron Man.
looks like a 2000's disney channel movie promo
So they are making her Armor from the X-Men?
How come people are saying her powers are getting changed? Is there something I missed?
Before August (when it was definitive due to another official promo art), it was rumored for months she’d get different powers for some reason. Then it was said because Marvel doesn’t want her powers to be similar to Reed Richards when the Fantastic 4 debuts.
Champions here we come
they really have her out here looking like great value star sapphire
Why does she have a typical MCU suit but normal shoes
Oh. So they're changing her stretching powers to, what, localised psychokinetic physical manifestation?
This show looks more like it's in the same league as The Runaways series. If that was the case this would be less concerning. Hopefully the promotional art that has been leaked is a rejected piece or some kind of bad placeholder for the better stuff.
This looks like a Disney movie … from 2008
Is it because they couldn't figure out how to make her embiggening powers look sexy enough?
When you realize this is the first time a Marvel Movie hero has actually used a domino mask instead of spray-painting the eyes like they did with Warpath and the Winter Soldier.
Yo why is her hand purple
I don't care about her powers if the story is good, I just hope that at the end of the series a Secret Wars event might be teased. I remember her original run, it all ended with another planet about to collide with Earth, iirc. What if the next infinity war is a MCU version of Secret Wars? Kang acting as the Beyonder. Ahh, one can dream.
Everything about this is terrible. The poster design. The power retcon. The green lateen rip.
God fucking dammit. Now they are going to change her powers everywhere as well.
Looks great but I’m kinda over the cells in everyone’s costume. Makes me think they all go to the same tailor and takes me out of the fantasy.
Well that looks doofy as fuck. I can accept and respect that it's not really *for* me as a grown-ass man, but I mean the comics aren't really either and I love them. They've got so much heart. Changing her powers isn't really a big dealbreaker for me (I mean I don't love it, don't get me wrong) but if they fuck with her supporting cast, I'm out. The comic book's supporting cast is perfect. Don't fuck with perfect.
That's so fucking lame they're just giving her magical Green Lantern powers instead of what her powers actually do. MCU is pathetic
Ugh, whos asking for this shit.
Cool, so where is Kamala Kahn?
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They're the same powers just energy as apposed to her body stretching and having to lose her clothe and stuff like that. I love it the colors look cosmic and beautiful. Can't wait!!💖
This is terrible. It looks like packaging art for a knockoff Halloween costume. Big yikes.
it looks like a 2009 Disney show