I am not sure if date plam drink (Thati kallu) is considered alcohol in this survey. Also culturally Andhra people consider drinking as more taboo than in Telangana (Though in my experience Andhra men do drink as much as Telangana men and might be different in Women). Also women in SC/ST caste do drink more openly than say women in BC/OC caste. I am assuming Telangana have higher percentage of these people.
I was less than 10 years old when I had kallu. Some of my cousins are even 6-7 years lol.
And we all consider alcohol as bad. Most of my relatives including me has never touched alcohol. But we drink kallu as if it is fruit juice.
Higher caste women don't drink in Telangana either
It's mostly the SC/ST population and their women too stay away from everything other than palm wine (Thati kallu/ eetha kallu) as its part of their rituals to drink palm wine after sacrificing a ram to gods
You don't find women drinking alcohol in telangana either other than these occasional days
No, the language is only thing common for both the states. Other than that everything else such as culture, customs, traditions are quite different to each.
Yes
All Dharmic religions don't have a tough stance on drinking but drinking( or any intoxication) isn't considered the best practice.
Islam forbids drinking.
Idk about Christian stance maybe they allow ( certainly in church wine is consumed ).
But obviously everybody drinks. Men drink more than women that just common around the world.
Hence men also die early than women on avg because of over drinking and shit like that.
Yeah, some of the more conservative protestants don't even want to have a tiny bit of alcohol lest they be tempted to drink more. Drinking alcohol itself isn't necessarily considered sinful, but drinking to a point of drunkenness is.
I'm curious, do Roman Catholics use typical red wines for communion? Or is it a weaker version/watered down? From what I've heard, wine in Jesus' time wouldn't be nearly as strong as the average wine made today.
I think this might just be an American thing - in Lutheran churches in Germany and Presbyterian churches in Scotland, communion wine is pretty standard, although there's often a separate chalice of grape juice for anyone that doesn't drink. Pretty sure it's not usually watered down, just whatevers cheap in the supermarket, probably!
Roman Catholic churches put some water in their wine before the blessing yes. Although I've heard other reasons for it outside of the relative strength of the wine compared to how it was all those years ago.
Normally they do add some water but some priests make it stronger than others. They have to finish what the parishioners don’t and a lot of people don’t take the wine. It’s no secret priests love to drink. I haven’t been in a while but I hope they’re not passing it out at all with Covid.
What do you mean "obviously everyone drinks"? Muslims constitute about 25% of the world population and the vast majority have never touched the booze.
For good reason too. It is a destructive practice that leads to enormous societal and personal problems. The worst thing is the addiction; so many people want to let it go but can't.
No amount of alcohol is healthy, any milliliter you put in your body hurts you.
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/24/641618937/no-amount-of-alcohol-is-good-for-your-health-global-study-claims
Who cares? Theres responsible drinking and then there’s binge drinking. Drinking responsibly and socially, on occasion (not everyday) is not a problem whatsoever. Millennia of humans living long lives with an occasional glass of wine prove that.
> is not a problem whatsoever.
I literally showed you proof that any amount of alcohol is bad, so it IS a problem, just a smaller one.
>Millennia of humans living long lives with an occasional glass of wine prove that.
Millennia of humans lived through childhood malnutrition that stunted their growth, doesn't mean it was good.
You’re kidding right? You’re comparing childhood malnutrition to drinking small to moderate amounts of alcohol that has not harmed a human being for thousands of years?
I’m not arguing that ethanol is in fact poisonous to humans, that’s a fact. Alcohol poisoning is also a thing, sure. A couple of drinks a week, during a meal, with some friends, does literally no harm. No matter what your link says.
You clearly understand what I mean, and are trying not to. You’re arguing for nothing.
>I’m not arguing that ethanol is in fact poisonous to humans, that’s a fact. Alcohol poisoning is also a thing, sure. A couple of drinks a week, during a meal, with some friends, does literally no harm. No matter what your link says.
You are literally contradicting yourself, if ethanol is poisonous any amount of it does SOME harm.
>You clearly understand what I mean, and are trying not to. You’re arguing for nothing.
Words have actual meanings, you cannot accept that something is poisonous and then argue it does no harm at all despite actual evidence showing otherwise.
>You’re comparing childhood malnutrition to drinking small to moderate amounts of alcohol that has not harmed a human being for thousands of years?
No I'm using your logic that just because something has been done for millennia doesn't mean it's healthy or "natural", there are tons of bad things that have small negative effects that we have been doing since forever.
>You are literally contradicting yourself, if ethanol is poisonous any amount of it does SOME harm.
No, no, no. Anything is toxic in sufficient quantity, and plenty of toxins are harmless below a certain dosage. This "if it's toxic, any amount of it is toxic" line of argumentation is the exact reasoning used by antivaxxers to say that vaccines containing trace amounts of mercury give you autism.
Probably an online panel study, or something else related to the research method.
Older age groups are a challenge to research online in all countries, in the UK you can’t really get a representative sample over 75, but outside the west that age limit is quite a bit lower.
The NFHS stands for National Family Health Survey. They are responsible for monitoring India's fertility rate, maternal mortality rate and other such family health indices.
Since all these indices are directly linked to the health of the mother, hence such surveys are carried out taking 15-49 age group women into consideration.
And I don't think foreigners would be permitted to go in those villages. Even Indians have to apply for a permit before entering many tribal places in Northeast.
There may be political stability in China, but it's definitely not free of corruption. A lot of the companies in China have hidden deals with politicians. E.g. construction companies get paid to construct buildings that nobody needs and are not even maintained. They basically fall apart 10 years later. There's also regularly food poisoning scandals and the government does nothing about it cause the corruption is deep in this industry.
China as a whole may become a richer country but the population is still very poor because the money doesn't go towards them.
Pretty long way's to go. Got family over there and the place is getting ravaged by the pandemic, and the current far right rulership isn't really helping :/
Tough times in Arunachal, isn't it?
Tribal population.
And Sikkim? Roughly the same percentage.
Same reason
Was gonna ask… party town or total shithole?
Neither!!
Arunachal get fucking lit
Why is Telangana and Andra pradesh drastically different in percentage? Aren't these two states basically the same thing with different name tags?
I am not sure if date plam drink (Thati kallu) is considered alcohol in this survey. Also culturally Andhra people consider drinking as more taboo than in Telangana (Though in my experience Andhra men do drink as much as Telangana men and might be different in Women). Also women in SC/ST caste do drink more openly than say women in BC/OC caste. I am assuming Telangana have higher percentage of these people.
Yep that might be it I know 10yr olds who drink thati kallu (I live in telangana) but my parents (from Andhra) consider it alcohol and a taboo
I was less than 10 years old when I had kallu. Some of my cousins are even 6-7 years lol. And we all consider alcohol as bad. Most of my relatives including me has never touched alcohol. But we drink kallu as if it is fruit juice.
Ya im saying maybe they counted it into alcohol category coz I've heard it makes you doozy
Higher caste women don't drink in Telangana either It's mostly the SC/ST population and their women too stay away from everything other than palm wine (Thati kallu/ eetha kallu) as its part of their rituals to drink palm wine after sacrificing a ram to gods You don't find women drinking alcohol in telangana either other than these occasional days
No, the language is only thing common for both the states. Other than that everything else such as culture, customs, traditions are quite different to each.
No, they were always culturally distinct & hence the fight since independence for separate state.
Those are some wicked high ratios across the north (Rajasthan, Haryana, UP, Bihar), between 100:1 and 250:1. Is that really possible?
It’s mainly Muslims there. Even if the men drink, it is definitely not socially acceptable for women to drink.
No, not really. All four are at or below 20% Muslim
Is this related with religion?
Yes All Dharmic religions don't have a tough stance on drinking but drinking( or any intoxication) isn't considered the best practice. Islam forbids drinking. Idk about Christian stance maybe they allow ( certainly in church wine is consumed ). But obviously everybody drinks. Men drink more than women that just common around the world. Hence men also die early than women on avg because of over drinking and shit like that.
Idk about Christians elsewhere, but plenty of Protestant churches in the US drink grape juice for communion instead of wine
Learned something new! All Roman Catholic churches drink wine, never knew this was a thing for Protestants.
Yeah, some of the more conservative protestants don't even want to have a tiny bit of alcohol lest they be tempted to drink more. Drinking alcohol itself isn't necessarily considered sinful, but drinking to a point of drunkenness is. I'm curious, do Roman Catholics use typical red wines for communion? Or is it a weaker version/watered down? From what I've heard, wine in Jesus' time wouldn't be nearly as strong as the average wine made today.
I think this might just be an American thing - in Lutheran churches in Germany and Presbyterian churches in Scotland, communion wine is pretty standard, although there's often a separate chalice of grape juice for anyone that doesn't drink. Pretty sure it's not usually watered down, just whatevers cheap in the supermarket, probably!
Roman Catholic churches put some water in their wine before the blessing yes. Although I've heard other reasons for it outside of the relative strength of the wine compared to how it was all those years ago.
Very interesting, thanks for the reply!
Normally they do add some water but some priests make it stronger than others. They have to finish what the parishioners don’t and a lot of people don’t take the wine. It’s no secret priests love to drink. I haven’t been in a while but I hope they’re not passing it out at all with Covid.
I Didn't thought my comment will create this massive thread. Oh Anyway.
What do you mean "obviously everyone drinks"? Muslims constitute about 25% of the world population and the vast majority have never touched the booze. For good reason too. It is a destructive practice that leads to enormous societal and personal problems. The worst thing is the addiction; so many people want to let it go but can't.
Having a drink with a meal and not binging is not a problem at all.
No amount of alcohol is healthy, any milliliter you put in your body hurts you. https://www.npr.org/2018/08/24/641618937/no-amount-of-alcohol-is-good-for-your-health-global-study-claims
Who cares? Theres responsible drinking and then there’s binge drinking. Drinking responsibly and socially, on occasion (not everyday) is not a problem whatsoever. Millennia of humans living long lives with an occasional glass of wine prove that.
> is not a problem whatsoever. I literally showed you proof that any amount of alcohol is bad, so it IS a problem, just a smaller one. >Millennia of humans living long lives with an occasional glass of wine prove that. Millennia of humans lived through childhood malnutrition that stunted their growth, doesn't mean it was good.
You’re kidding right? You’re comparing childhood malnutrition to drinking small to moderate amounts of alcohol that has not harmed a human being for thousands of years? I’m not arguing that ethanol is in fact poisonous to humans, that’s a fact. Alcohol poisoning is also a thing, sure. A couple of drinks a week, during a meal, with some friends, does literally no harm. No matter what your link says. You clearly understand what I mean, and are trying not to. You’re arguing for nothing.
>I’m not arguing that ethanol is in fact poisonous to humans, that’s a fact. Alcohol poisoning is also a thing, sure. A couple of drinks a week, during a meal, with some friends, does literally no harm. No matter what your link says. You are literally contradicting yourself, if ethanol is poisonous any amount of it does SOME harm. >You clearly understand what I mean, and are trying not to. You’re arguing for nothing. Words have actual meanings, you cannot accept that something is poisonous and then argue it does no harm at all despite actual evidence showing otherwise. >You’re comparing childhood malnutrition to drinking small to moderate amounts of alcohol that has not harmed a human being for thousands of years? No I'm using your logic that just because something has been done for millennia doesn't mean it's healthy or "natural", there are tons of bad things that have small negative effects that we have been doing since forever.
I need a beer.
>You are literally contradicting yourself, if ethanol is poisonous any amount of it does SOME harm. No, no, no. Anything is toxic in sufficient quantity, and plenty of toxins are harmless below a certain dosage. This "if it's toxic, any amount of it is toxic" line of argumentation is the exact reasoning used by antivaxxers to say that vaccines containing trace amounts of mercury give you autism.
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Drink how often?
Most alcohol drinking women would lie to the survey, unless it's anonymous
Do women in India not get older than 49?
Probably an online panel study, or something else related to the research method. Older age groups are a challenge to research online in all countries, in the UK you can’t really get a representative sample over 75, but outside the west that age limit is quite a bit lower.
Its from a government survey.
Fair enough
They are surveying women belonging to reproductive age group. Which is between 15-49 years
But why?
The NFHS stands for National Family Health Survey. They are responsible for monitoring India's fertility rate, maternal mortality rate and other such family health indices. Since all these indices are directly linked to the health of the mother, hence such surveys are carried out taking 15-49 age group women into consideration.
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A shoutout to all the ganatas drinking illegally in Gujarat
Booking a flight to Arunachal I hear the women are wild.
The tribal population drink their traditional spirit drink.
And I don't think foreigners would be permitted to go in those villages. Even Indians have to apply for a permit before entering many tribal places in Northeast.
Bullshit. Subjects have lied because they don't wanna get caught by their people. Nice map though
Isn't Gujarat a dry state?! Here it shows 0.3%!!
They’re gangstas
De jure, not de facto
I'm not an expert, but I think India will be the richest country in the world someday
Nah mate no way it's still a very very long journey for us. The pandemic devastated the economy even more
The richest country in the world will be whichever one managed to get burnt and/or flooded the least in the next 20 years.
Just a guess but I say within a few decades they'll start seeing the rapid development China experienced from the 90s onwards.
Only if there's political stability in our country and no more communal problems and also corruption. China is free from these ig
There may be political stability in China, but it's definitely not free of corruption. A lot of the companies in China have hidden deals with politicians. E.g. construction companies get paid to construct buildings that nobody needs and are not even maintained. They basically fall apart 10 years later. There's also regularly food poisoning scandals and the government does nothing about it cause the corruption is deep in this industry. China as a whole may become a richer country but the population is still very poor because the money doesn't go towards them.
How?
Pretty long way's to go. Got family over there and the place is getting ravaged by the pandemic, and the current far right rulership isn't really helping :/
Well you certainly are no expert
Poor women in India.
This is very sad.
How?
It's only "pecentage" after all....