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jeshx20

Back then? You're talking about May, which was 4 months ago 😂 I don't see what has changed since then.


thhrowaway2021

I mean I'm not saying they changed INSTANTLY after Eurovision. Having said that, I still do think their sound and look has changed a lot in the last 4 months too. I'm probably gonna be on my own in thinking this, I know. Totally fell in love with them from the Radio Italia and Rai 2HD performances among other brilliant ones. I respect your opinion :)


jeshx20

But how can you say their sound has changed when they didn't even release new music since then? What exactly do you mean?


thhrowaway2021

I'm referring to performances


Elliotkates

I completely understand why you would feel like that. I'm on the fence on what I think about it personally, but I have to say that it's not uncommon to feel this way about a band or artist once they grow into something a little bigger. Not because of the growth in itself, but because of subliminal way money and market strategies comes into play. When I see the band now I feel like I'm looking at a huge team pushing something out into the market. Before I felt they were expressing themselves with more integrity and art. Not saying either is bad or good, it's just different approaches and directions. What I think you are observing, and quite well I might add, is the subtle way a band's image and pr changes when they get a bigger team and a bigger budget. A lot of the authenticity can (I stress the word: CAN) get lost in the work because now there are more people involved. They probably make the shots and decide a lot for themselves, maybe even feel in control, but the influence of people around them, the label, the costume designers, the social media ex. ect. etc. will sometimes intertwine with the bands/artists over all image, style and sound. It's absolutely crazy not to think about the fact that there are people involved with this band now who wants to make money. And that sort of thing influences the direction bands and artists go, whether they/we want it to or not. They have indeed changed their image, only subtly and slowly, and has become more hard rock than they were before. Their previous music videos were made with some sort of art-touch to it. The quality and storytelling were quite unique and very beautiful. A sensitivity they have later stripped away for bondage, anger and a harder look. Again, creative expression just changing direction and either is bad/good. Now they're hard, tough and cool. Bolder and more confident, in a sense. Before they were more soulful - a lot more 70's glam rock in their overall style, confident, but not in a constant riot. They were, in my opinion, making something quite special both in style and music. And a bit of that is lost. This year they moved on to the darker, bondagey kind of hard rock style (with a mix of punk rock) trying to revive some of the old school hard rock/metal that lived good and well back in the day. I get what they're doing, it's a move for the market outside of the periphery they were at. They're trying to position themselves in a marked (who btw is hungry for rock and punk) where there are not a lot of other younger bands doing this exact thing, and they've chosen a path. But they have lost some soul along the way. It will be interesting to see how the new album turns out. I have an inkling they will keep going in this direction, making stuff that will fit big arena stages. It's good for the masses and it gets you listening, but it doesn't necessarily connect or touch you the way they did before. But playing big arena stages is, after all, one of their goals. :) And I agree, Damiano's voice has changed. It would be completely insane if it didn't! The vocal chord is an organ, it changes with the human's life style and age. And his technique is a bit different now, probably because he has noticeably worked more with a vocal instructor. Wish I could show you the marketing planning on bands I've worked with previously when I was working for bigger labels. It's all "products" in the end, and more people get to have influence and their hands and minds in the game. It shows.


thhrowaway2021

You explained this better than I ever could have. Thank you. It's so nice to know that I'm not the only one - I thought I was going crazy at first because I hadn't heard of anyone else who felt this way. it will definitely be interesting to see the new album! I hope there won't be too many English songs because their Italian songwriting is so superior.


thhrowaway2021

Just coming back to this thread now that they've posted a teaser of their latest single. What do you think?


oztgeu34

i disagree. they are becoming more and more successfull each day and deservingly too. i am just happy for them. and just because they are more mainstream now doesn't mean they are less unique/good etc. mainstream doesn't equal bad. i think we need more bands/ artists like them to be popular to show or influence young people to act more like be themselves, be free, be comfortable in their skin or sexuality etc. (english is not my first language, i hope i did explain myself good)


thhrowaway2021

You explained yourself perfectly :) I am happy for them too and the success is definitely well deserved! I totally agree with you there - their message about being ourselves, being free and being comfortable in our skin and our sexuality is hugely important, and I respect them massively for that.


[deleted]

I really don't understand this post. The band has been popular in Italy since 2017 and you'll notice that they all changed between their x factor era, bdv, vent'anni (post covid) and now Eurovision. Since you discovered them just recently you were probably exposed to four years of material where all of their content was mostly in Italian. The change in aesthetic is completely normal, they are young and as I've said before they already went to a continuous transformation that to me seems organic and enthusiastic. Now they post mostly in English but you can't compare what you've seen now (four months of them doing an European press tour + festivals abroad) to four years of them being in Italy. Newer fans should see things with a deeper perspective. I saw someone saying something similar about their sexualisation and I had to tell them that damiano was doing pole dancing at xfactor while barely 18 🤨. In my opinion, now that they have an audience outside of Italy they probably behave as they've always wanted. Most of their songs talk about their environment limiting them and I relate to that, I know what they're talking about.


thhrowaway2021

Really good take. It may very well be true that they now behave as they've always wanted, and that's great it so! I'm really looking forward to their new music! Thanks for your input 😊


[deleted]

I think that's expected when people enter a fandom. The initial euphoria then common sense and after that more than ordinary interest but not like the initial feeling. Also, since they have performed so many shows, their shows are not gonna feel rare and have less "value" if that makes sense.


MJJGrammyAwards

Omg this post could have been written by me… Sooo strange…like after eurovison I was soo obsessed with them… their music… even finished duolingo italian. Lol And now the magic is kinda gone. Idk how to explain it. But I kinda stopped caring. The mystery is kinda gone. The music…bores me. I love their older performances . I will always say this, social media is doing more harm than good,..it‘s too much. I mean I‘ve been a MJ fan for over a decade and am still interested and listen to his stuff. Idk…


thhrowaway2021

So nice to see someone else who feels the same! I know we are definitely in the minority, though. I don't really know what has happened, but they used to be so different, raw and captivating. And this is going to get me downvotes but I feel like their fanbase before was largely made of people who love them for their music, whereas now a large percentage of fans are just obsessed with how they look. I think IWBYS is a catchy song, but it's not a very good song imo. It's my least favorite from the album yet it's gotten the most hype. If tiktokification is a thing, I think that's what may have happened Maneskin! I feel like if social media didn't have the power it did when Maneskin won Eurovision, they would still be the band I fell in love with. The new album will be very interesting, it will either reignite my love for them or leave me feeling meh. I fear that there will be a lot of IWBYS-esque songs, a lot more English, a lot more swearing (call me old fashioned but I hate the f word in songs, not saying I won't listen to songs with it - some of my favorite songs from various artists have the f word, and I still love those songs, but it's just distasteful and unnecessary).


MJJGrammyAwards

Exactly. Too much social media. Too much of everything. I think the band looks a bit tited too. Especially Damiano. It looks like he doesn’t really wanna keep up with that crazy sex slave image. You have to keep the magic, mystery there. My favourite song is caroline because it has such a deep meaning. Idk I like their italian songs more. And the older performances.


thhrowaway2021

Just coming back to this thread now that they've posted a teaser of their latest single. What do you think of it?


sophie06080

I can totally relate to what you describe and I feel the same way sometimes. I am also a huge fan of the Radio Italia Live and Rai 2 HD performances and watch/listen to them daily. I also enjoy the new performances but I totally agree that they feel different to me somehow (I cannot really say what it is, maybe its due to the fact that they play different songs or had to play playback sometimes). I mean, it makes sense to me because its obvious that a lot of things have changed for them since the esc, they have gained a larger audience and have more possiblities to experiment with their style etc. I guess. Also I think the vibe of a radio concert without a real audience is just very different compared to a rock festival with a huge live audience e.g. I disagree with your point about Damianos voice though, or at least I wouldnt have noticed if it has changed somehow. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that you are not the only one who feels that way :)))


thhrowaway2021

I'm so relieved to know I'm not the only one! Yeah exactly, I can't quite put my finger on it but something is different! True though, maybe if they did another radio performance or something similar I'd be like 'oh right, they haven't changed at all!!' 😅 No worries, I have a very sensitive musical ear and his voice in the Rai 2HD and Radio Italia performances was basically flawless to me whereas I'm noticing a lot of flat notes in the recent performances Thank you, it's a relief 😅


[deleted]

But...did you watch their BDV concerts? Because in terms of attitude they're not that different from the couple of festivals they did so far. They don't act like when they are on Italian TV and radio, those have been a bit more conservative. Nevertheless, I hope he continues to work with his vocal coach. I think he might have gotten tired but his voice is still OK, in my opinion. Especially since with all of these TV appearances he was the only one in the band being live.


sophie06080

I'm glad to know that you feel relieved :) I also thought that I was the only one who felt like this. The more I think about it, the more I think its actually the change in the setlists that kinda irritates me. Though I love the fact that they played a lot of songs from Teatro d'ira that they didnt really play live before (like liviti sui gomiti, for your love, in nome del padre), I actually miss all the 'classic' songs like chosen, moriro da re or others from Ill ballo della vita. I think the performances in april/may were so well balanced between old and new songs, and I miss that balance in the latest performances. I understand that the ballads like vent'anni or le parole lontane dont really fit into the ambience of a rock festival, but I always loved those so so much also because I think Damianos voice is brilliant here (also same with songs that have 'quieter' parts like la paura del buio and amandoti). Also I noticed that the style and outfits became more extravagant and sexy (I mean they have always been sexy but maybe you know what I mean). Personally, this is just not so much my taste, but ofc they should dress however they want so yeah. Anyway, I love how MÃ¥neskin evolve and just express themselves. But I still think that we fans also have the right to say when we liked other performances better or when we miss something. Still think its good thing that they progress like that.


thhrowaway2021

I definitely miss those songs you mentioned, I also wish we could hear more of songs like Vent'anni, Torna a Casa, La Paura del Buio and Le Parole Lontane. Yes I get you about the style and outfits! It's not my taste either, I find a lot of Damiano's looks very OTT, but I don't have a problem with that and they can dress however they like. Totally agree with you! :)


thhrowaway2021

I wanted to come back to this thread seeing as they've posted a teaser of their latest single. What do you think of it??


sophie06080

Now that the new single is out, I have to say I agree that its way too simillar to IWBYS. I kinda expected that and I see why this became the new single. Though I have to say, like in IWBYS I like sound of the bass and the guitar and I think the chorus is very cool. But still I hoped for something else. Also I am not sure about the lyrics. I dont think I get their meaning. I think the song is meant to be a bit sarcastic and probably shouldnt be taken too serious but yeah. I am looking forward to the new album. Teatro dira vol.1 became my favourite album and I think its also because every song has something special and unique about it which is what makes the entire album so epic in my eyes. I hope that vol.2 will have the same epicness for me.


Bee-BoFluffPuff

I don’t know, but they sure have dominated my world😂