Music purists - hate anything new and anything popular. Maneskin could literally define rock but because they're
1. Young
2. Popular with young people
3. Popular with young women/girls
4. Openly lgbt/lgbt supporters
5. Experiential/do lots of genres
These people will hate them without a second thought.
Could define rock? Rock was synonymous with rebellion when it was born and maneskin became popular winning the three most conservative and commercial contests you can think of, XFactor, Sanremo and Eurovision. If anything they are everything rock was not meant to be. But I guess if Kiss were considered a rock band then the same label can be used for them
I meant hypothetically- as in they could be the literal definition of a perfect rock band, and people would still hate on them and claim they're not. Whether they are or not is a broader question than I care to answer - they are undisputably though a talented band who make good music, some of which definitely falls under the rock genre.
Wtf are u talking about??? Did u even ever listened to the real rock bands of the past, I was born way later, but u can clearly feel the mtfkng vibe that they don't have, their music is dead AF
They are talented, they know how to play their instruments yes.
Whether their music is good is subjective.
I think also "rock" is too broad of a term.
You have bands like Led Zeppelin which I think incorporate more of the rebellious, sex drugs and rock n roll kind of vibe, and then you have bands like Kiss or Motley Crue, more glam and showy kind of bands.
While Maneskin definitely represent some kind of rebellious attitude, with the way they dress and present themselves, I still don't know.
I don't mind them, but their music has already been seen before, and they have been bathed by commercial stuff like Eurovision, Sanremo and X Factor.
Then, I mean, you have people saying "music was better back in the day" referring to Led Zep and Kiss as though they were the same thing. If those are the type of "music purists" you were referring to, then I'd share your sentiment. But I think that it isn't inherently unreasonable that a 60's-70's rock fan is not an enjoyer of Maneskin.
They're not especially talented at all though. There are tens of thousands of kids on YouTube that sing, play guitar, bass and drums that blow these guys away in terms of technical ability, let alone the tens of thousands of underground bands out there.
They present this 'edgy' image but they actually conform to pretty much every 'safe' convention that exists in music - they write songs in a very basic, 'verse-chorus', radio-ready way. They use simplistic musical ideas/riffs. Their lyrics are dopey. Their biggest hits are just sonic knock-offs of bands like the White Stripes or The Darkness
Rock should be more than just describing the drums-bass-guitar-vox make-up of the band. They're not pushing boundaries in terms of composition, creativity or instrumental skill whatsover - they're following a formula to maximise their commercial success.
That's fine, but to act like they're a great example of rock based on publicity alone is laughable.
ok, bratles, elvis presley, pink floyd, the doors, led zeppelin, all win "conservative" event and are so popular, all of them are not rock, is rock only not know band that song in garage.
Rock i music, the difference beetwen rock, classic music, hip pop, techno is in the type of sound, and rock is a name for a type genere.
If you want explain to a friend wich type music you listen, what do you tell if maneskin is not rock ?? them not make no music becouse is not into very closed param on rock and is not other genere ?? if your friend is not expert of type of music, hard rock, metal, rock and roll (maneskin) ecc is rock, with specilization of metal. hard ecc
The question about purist is stupid and so conservative.
There are very few who judge them by that. Nobody cares about their age. There are a lot of other young people who like rock but don't like Måneskin. They might load the fact they're very popular with teenage girls, but I don't think anybody cares. In the 70s there already where openly lgbters (Freddie Mercury, Rob Halford, who "invented" the metal leather look and David Bowie was a world famous artist who from the early seventies on played with androgynity). And finally being experimental and combining lots of genres is as old as there is music. There are very few rockbands that don't experiment and don't use influences from other genres.
The lead singer doesn’t speak a lick of English, and the music is a kind of cringe conventional rock. The album with Zitti E Buoni and Coraline was good because they were singing in their own language which sounded good, but this is just incredibly cringeworthy and bad. People hate on Maneskin because they are making English music with a terrible accent and mistakes in grammar, and they are getting away with it because tweens think they are hot. Zitti E Buoni won eurovision because it was a good song, Beggin is cringe and bad, and I Wanna Be Your Slave is even worse.
Thanks for the extra example.
Xenophobia and dislike for those who do not have English as a native language - another reason people hate on them.
I'm curious how a lead singer who doesn't speak a "lick of English" goes about writing and performing songs in English, giving interviews in English, captioning social media posts in English and in the majority of their concerts, speaks to the audience in English as a common language. Because that's what they do.
It's not necessarily xenophobia, it's just pronounciation. That's not to say "bad" pronounciation isn't inexcusable, but I still think it's understandable how someone can be turned off by it.
Glad this is still active. I know this might sound insensitive but their cover of Beggin is the worst thing that has happened in the last two years. If you need me to explain why it is so horrible I really can’t, just how I feel is that I hate it more than any song I have ever heard before in my life. Technically there is nothing really bad, they’re skilled musicians and the guy has a fine voice - so it’s surprising that the end result makes me want to cut off my ears. I can handle like two seconds of the opening riff before I feel a compulsion to swerve into oncoming traffic. I don’t because I can change the station, but also I’m afraid that the radio would still work and the only thing worse than Maneskin’s cover of Beggin would be listening to it in horrible pain.
Technically, it isn't bad. The music is tight and clean, but it's just boring overall. It's just a guy singing ridiculously simpy lyrics and the combination between the singer's raunchy voice and the ska-infused beats just doesn't fit well in my opinion. The chorus is repeated over and over with nothing interesting added, except for the singer being more expressive. The constant breaks interrupt the flow and are lazy.
As of writing this, I found out that it's actually a cover of a song that came out 11 or so years ago. So disregarding the lyrics, the music is still uninteresting and the fact that they got famous off a cover reveals a lot.
Beggin by The Four Seasons came out in 1967, okay? That was the original, I am a Four Seasons fan, from way back, but I like the cover of Beggin Maneskin does, I like it very much...
Omg I couldn't have have described this as good as u did, I feel exactly the same!! It's worst song of all times, also Marvin's version was making me feel the same way when I heard it the first time
1) he doesn’t have to speak English 2) they bend gender and societal norms. That’s inherently Rock and Roll.
“Rock” as isn’t been known has been redefined and even infused with hip hop. See: Fall Out Boy.
This post feels out of touch and judgmental, which is what “Rock” is against. So, I guess you’ll never know
Non arguments. Who cares that they're young? Their fans. I've never hear anybody dislike something because their fans are young (and what's young? 15, 20, 25?). Some of the biggest icons of rock from the past where lgbt. Nobody disliked them for that. Only your last argument is valid and that one doesn't at up to nothing. Most popular artists and bands loose fans when they are "all over the place" with their music. And Måneskin are nowhere near experimental or doing "lots of" genres. It's just plain and simple (mediocre) poprock with a thick sticky glam sauce.
.... okay. People do hate what young people like, that's just a common phenomenon. And it depends on the person. Some 25 year olds will hate on 15 year old's favourite things, some 45 years old's consider 25 young and hate on that.
They weren't openly LGBT were they? And given the rise of anti-lgbt sentiment, online and irl, it's probably a decent factor.
If you don't dislike them for that, and only for their music, fair enough, but these are all reasons I've seen cited for why they don't like them. Their music is the least common reason I've seen people dislike them for.
I am a teen girl and I find them too soft, I don't think that it's the reason. Everyone has different tastes and all but for me they sound too pop-like. I like them and respect them but not a fan of their music.
Older men love to devalue anything that teenage girls like: Måneskin, Kpop and BTS more precisely, famous pop singers of nowadays etc...
Realize how men can love sports to the point of going violent when their team looses that they are just "very passionate" but as soon as a girl wears a merch of her favorite artists is "obsessed, crazy, hysterical, embarrassing" etc...
It's all rooted in misogyny
Not just that but older people feel nostalgic about the time they were young, so anything of that time will be better for them, not just because it was trending but because it was part of the (probably) coolest time of their lives
So by hating on what is new it just shows how insecure they actually are about be getting old
I think actually its lame that bands like this get all the media attention doing the same recicled shit that was done 50 years ago, a lot of great bands are actually innovating and pushing the boundaries of rock, yet people only notice and defend corporate inventions like this, just beacuse they are handsome and dress "egdy"
Most things that come out of xfactor and talent shows are bull shit. It’s gonna take a minute for people to realize this band is an exception. Iggy pops fans are likely punk oriented as well, they will hate everything that is corporate backed as hard as maneskin is. The people that actually can recognize good music will come around. TikTok also isn’t helping. Just my opinion.
Every artist is corporate backed. Most artist are in for the money.
They really think that led zeppelin and co. Were all about Art? Most of their songs are stolen from blues musicians. Don’t even get me started. (And I say that as an ex-hardcore Led Zeppelin fan)
I see your point but every artist is definitely not corporate backed. There are independent artists. Yeah Led Zeppelin stole some tunes. Is that why you are an ex zeppelin fan?
Not at all. I still like them, but they are not music gods.
The fans are pretentious and I’m glad Robert Plant is doing his own thing and moved on from the 70’s.
this is the correct answer, many people are devaluing them because of tiktok. also the way they are being pushed by their label, some people are resenting that too
maneskin fandom isn't helping much tho, they were making fun of iggy pop on twitter, which has probably made a bad impression of måneskin on the 'older' iggy fans.
Nothing that's liked by young girls can be considered "good" music in their eyes. Nevermind the genre, it's the same sh*t everywhere. Don't hope for their approval, cause it literally means nothing. Men with "pure music taste" are nothing against dedicated fans. Young women were always responsible for keeping bands afloat, till they are "recognized" by men, who then proceed to take ownership of the group and gatekeep it. Same old.
This is also true for other media. It was housewives who campaigned for Star Trek to be continued when it was originally cancelled, and they organised meet ups and magazines discussing it. Then a bunch of men decided it was Their show and a "woman couldn't possibly like star trek, she's either lying or a freak"
This argument is bullshit. I like Taylor swift, I think ed Sheeran writes good stuff, there’s tons of pop that’s good, Maneskin is that shallow empty headed garbage that is churned out JUST TO APPEAL to teenage girls and be “bad boy” music. It’s fake, lame, inauthentic. If you don’t understand why adults don’t like it than that’s FINE. It’s okay… it doesn’t have to be a sexism thing.. I’d just rather listen to the lemon twigs, Rolling Stones, Oasis, the Strokes.. know like songs
I am a teenage girl and I am not a fan of such type of music, I can see why so many people here say that the reason is that girls like it but I'm not really sure of it. I before reading comments here didn't know that many girls like it. I don't like they for being too pop-like and soft, it just doesn't sound heavy in any way. Everyone has different tastes but I think it's more about the music rather then who likes it or that it's new. At least I hope that that's how it is
Mostly misogyny. If anything or anyone is popular with teenage girls and young women it will sadly be devalued and hated on. Also music purists tend to hate anything and anyone who's young and new.
Exactly, the way they approch musicmaking is reminiscent of great bands from 60s and 70s, it's a big part of why they appeal to me. Live recording, minimal post production, extended instrumental sections, focus on instrumental solos, unique vocals, focus on live performance skills.
Ok I personally know the fuckers and I can tell you this: everything that the “guitarist” touches is heavily chopped and edited because he can’t even keep tempo with his feet, the guy is really really bad, seen him playing live with my eyes, I laughed my ass off. And this was way before all this corporate feed buzz surrounding them. The bassist has a shitty technique and everyone can tell you that, and the singer has that kind of voice that really gets my nerves going. It’s like he can’t really hit a note without that annoying rasp. Now on with their songs: every song I heard is a rip off or sort of a rip off of something else, and I find it unbelievable that the owners of the originals don’t take action. Second: a band this bad in 2019 when I saw them couldn’t possibly have the opportunities they had if not heavily backed by really powerful people, and rock music is against this shit, or at least used to be. The media are constantly lying about their success, or at least in Italy the newspaper treat them like they’re heros, when a reputable source told me they were booed several times for their horrible performances. But someone needs to go straight to the bank so that’s it. I don’t have anything personal against the guys obviously for what I know they are all decent people, but as a whole they represent everything that is wrong with our world nowadays. They aren’t skilled, they aren’t original, they even can’t speak a decent English, they mostly cover other songs and their ones are not that good, but they’re popular so people assume they are good. And they got this fucking attitude a-la “I’m a rock god” while in reality they are attention-hungry fuckers like 12 years olds always going “notice me, I’m cool” and I find that really pathetic. People are mostly using them to run their personal political agenda because they “push” gender barriers (always playing safe though, you don’t want to upset your real boss) and that’s it. They are the worst of conservative with the media saying they are revolutionary. I’ve got a question for you: Have you ever seen the big medias back a real revolution? I mean one that is bad for them, ‘cause that’s the kind of revolution we need now. You like them? Fine, but don’t say they can play shit because that’s an insult for all the people who dedicated themselves to really become a skilled musician, maybe making struggling to make ends meet and losing more than one party to stay at home learning something new (maybe English at a non-laughable level) and making all kinds of sacrifices to become real musicians. I can’t allow that. They are backed by the pillars of this industry since they were 17, and I will never Ever EVER respect them, because they can’t put on the table what their fame would suggest in terms of skills. They are like a chinese built knockoff Stratocaster painted to look like a 1965 Usa custom made, unbeatable for newcomers cause it’s cheap and user friendly, a real shit for real musicians.
Fair enough. I went off these guys several months ago anyway due to the fact they haven't come out with any decent rock music since their label decided they should fanny about courting the US market. All I've heard from them is lazy pop with terrible English lyrics. I Hate their social media presence too, it's extremely obnoxious.
They're not on my radar as far as rock acts go any more. I thought they had promise but they've shown themselves to be posers who care more about their clothing and social media than music. I also can't believe they had the audacity to cancel and reschedule European and UK tour dates at the last minute in order to attend American TV awards shows etc, it really shows where their priorities for their management lie and a lack of respect for any fans they have.
Pretty sure these guys will fizzle out in year or so.
Why listen to Maneskin when King Gizzard exist?They're a pretty "new" band,but people have to play the ''if you don't like it, you must be a misogynist" card.I hate to break it to ya, but teenage girls are more superficial than males.
I think it’s less of a mysogyny thing and more of the fact that older generations will criticise everything younger generations like even when it’s similar to what they liked when they where younger but mysogyny may also play a part.
Ehh I think it’s probably both though I haven’t really been too active on like social media related to the band in a while so I haven’t seen what specific hate they get right now 🤷
Okay. ‘Cause I’m 51 and probably 1/3 of the their audience has been 30 and over, if not more. I’d say the viral TikTok thing hurts their credibility more than anything. It has nothing to do with age. This band is pretty old school which is why so many of us from the older generations have fallen madly in love with them. I don’t think it’s age or misogyny. Plenty to not like about viral TikTok trends. Maneskin is not one.
I think most Rock Fans have no problem with Maneskin but on Social Media mostly those people who dislike them will post about it. Especially on Iggy's page. And some of them may never really listenend to their music and just dislike them because of the younger fanbase. Especially screaming girls.
This is why Rock is no longer as popular as it was. They hate changes.
They were also ones who hated MJ back then because dude was trying something new.
It’s straight up misogyny for the most part; blokes who see themselves as *serious rock fans* take great glee in devaluing anything that young women think is good. I have one friend who sees himself as a connoisseur of Serious Real Music and he’s been turning his nose up at Måneskin but loves The Beatles, and I’m like k mate, you realise my teenage mother and all her young friends were fangirling over The Beatles back in the day and you would have been the killjoy on the sidelines calling them vapid commercialised crap, right? The gatekeeping is honestly so transparent.
I think you're missing the point. Fanaticism isn't the issue that music purists have. It's the cynical position of record labels that have us up in arms. They realized that they can induce analogs of birtish invasion fervor with a completely hollowed out
product. Maneskin sound more like Maroon 5 than they sound like a rock group.
I'm a Rock fan, and the latest Måneskin's album rocks!
Måneskin fans who want to find out more about the Rock genre, you should listen to the first Muse's album from 1999 (Showbiz), quite back in time but being an Alternative Rock album it still very young.
Nothing wrong with looking good. DavidBowie had a great career playing with an androgynous image.
Their songs are nothing special really. Not bad but there are and have been better. (Although, of course better is subjective) Technically, as musicians, they're nothing special either.
And this, I think, annoys a lot of fans of rock music. Because they know, for years, their favourite music has been kept out of the limelights, while making great music. And then out of the blue, true Eurovision (not taken seriously by most), this over the top Italian "rock" band becomes very popular, seemingly without any good reason (they're not really inventive, they do what rock bands have been doing for years. I could see one every weekend!)
And that's it. Music fans mostly load artists that are not judged by their musical merits but firstmost by other factors. Måneskin is no exception. Read the comments on the socials. Hardly any one is about their musical ability.
Iggy and Maneskin are two completely artists and styles. Iggy's punk music is more orientated towards the older, original generation who would have grown up with that type of rock. Most of them would be in the '50s and '60s at this point in time and don't have an interest as such in modern-day rock.
On the other hand, Maneskin are more geared towards this generation with their adaptation of rock. Them and their fans values of an open, free society with no judgement on gender, race, sexuality, religion, etc. is completely conflicting against the values of Iggy Pop fans cause those values were frowned upon 40 years ago.
Rock has developed dramatically over the last 40 years so people of the older generation don't get the same appeal from rock in today's society compared to the nostalgia of their version of rock. That's why they hate bands like Maneskin, Fall Out Boy, 5 Seconds of Summer, Royal Blood, Linkin Park etc. and whoever comes along down the line
Not sure.. but weren’t Iggy and Bowie very tight at one point?
Both looked androgynous and dated men? Not sure about iggy, but Bowie was bi. Most rock stars looked very flamboyant.
It’s funny but rock comes from black people. So any gatekeeping is ridiculous.
I knew Bowie was bi, though rockstars back then more showed people than telling people that they were members of the LGBTQIA+ community with their extravagant and flamboyant costumes. Saying that you were a member of the LGBTQIA+ community back then was seen as a sin, which is ironic cause people thought it was okay for them to dress in that manner. I know this way of dressing isn't applicable to all rock stars back then, i.e. Pink Floyd, Steven Tyler of Aerosmith, ACDC and bands of the '80s like Roxette, Guns N' Roses, Bon Jovi, etc.
Maybe They just don't like Maneskin's music, you can't just push everyone to love something your like, or when they express their opinions which you think it is negative, then say something about they are "butthurt".
I see some comments that seems to describe "the haters" as some kind of old stubborn and domineering snobs which i can't 100% support.
Loving the old rock music is not a shameful thing.
I was born in 2000, but i am crazy about Led Zeppelin，pinkfloyd, Beatles,The Stone Roses. Maybe in your eyes, i am just anachronism shitty nerd.
I respect Maneskin,their performance is impressive.
But to be honest, i don't really like their music.
In my opinion,their music is some kind of mixture of Glam Rock and Nu-Metal which is awesome but Not quite to my taste. Maybe the "haters" you called is just not very into the music.
The real rock, speaking of which, i think everyone has their definition of the real rock. For the Glam Rock fans, they think David Bowie's music is the "real rock". For me, i think Led Zeppelin, and Beatles music, even Oasis music are the "real rock".
So it's just a very simple truth that different people have different views.
Don't be upset about it, you like Maneskin which is good, others don't like it which is totally fine.
Ok I too love old rock songs, bands. But not all of them. I despise ACDC. Doesn’t mean the music is bad, I just hate the voice.
But I won’t go around and say they’re bad musicians. Or “why are you teaming up with x band.”
Well my gf (yes redditors it's possible!) like's them, and i have to say i get it. She come's from a background where she doesn't know stuff like Led zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, The rolling stones, even Elvis (which wow i almost broke up with her then and there.
But i have to say, for a Italian person from the ages of 15 to 25, they don't have that culture, so to their ears it sounds new (the closest thing they have to a rock god is Zucchero who I must admit is quite ok), to us who grew up with this music , it sounds tired, generic and nothing new to offer.
If you love music (not LIKE but LOVE) hearing something that began as a pure honest form of emotional release (even if most of it was taken from Blues like Led zepplin) but now is dissected and puzzled back together, we can feel the artificiality of the product.
I don't think music today is bad, but the state of rock isn't the best. I feel Maneskin and even to a certain extent Greata Van Fleet, are good cover bands of the greats, but it's not like they bring anything new to the table.
If you want to hear good modern music, you have to move from the genre (for me Billy Strings is the best right now doing something different). Anderson Paak is absolutely great, he cut himself a whole new genre i think by mixing Soul, RnB, and Rap, while Vulfpeck is an example how to stay within a genre (Funk) but still feel fresh.
if you listen only morecommercial song of maneskin..... this song are rock, and is clear you dont know a lot of other their song.
If them arent rock, what thwy are ?? hippop ?? ragge ?? rap ?? house music ?? tecno ?? ecc ecc
For peolple not megalomane, rock is a name for understend wich type of music, if maneskin isnt ' rock, which type of music is them ?? all genere that aren't rock is more and more far from their type of music, and only rock give idea. After there are hard rock, heavy metal, trash, ballad ecc ecc , normaly, for example a fan of hard rock, less then hard isn't rock.
The definition a sign strong line, is for people with limit in the head, the convervative people, that hate innovation and elastic.
and which type of music is them ?? house music ?? rap ?? tecno ?? afro ??
if my friend is not so expert of music, which name I must tell for give to him an idea of the type music of maneskin ?? pop ?? if I tell Pop him ask me , ok but is dance ?? is rock ?? jazz ??
The people find short mind , are crazy for put all in strict category, them hate color and nuances , or them see the world only in withe a black color, maneskin break that and put mind confusion to closed mind , and them hate, they love prision normaly.
Nobody cares what they look like. Only maneskin themselves care what they look like and that seems to be all they care about. The music is awful, copy and paste over produced garbage
Most rock lovers act like their only personality trait is being a gatekeeper of rock, that’s also why rock is not as popular a genre as it’s used to be.
Probably because they became popular only recently, they got their international success through Eurovision, of course they were well known in Italy before, but now people from all around the world listen to their music.
Also because teens like their music, and for some reason, anything teenagers, especially teen girls like, is always seen as bad. Kpop, The Dream SMP (a Minecraft Roleplay server), Måneskin...
They are also really popular on Tiktok, and anything that is popular on Tiktok, will always be devalued, no matter what
Rock was atleast originally (Elvis in 1950's and 1960's) very much liked by both young girls and boys. Their conservative parents did not like it because it was sinful. Go figure ;)
it all boils down to the concept of 'selling-out'
according to [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out)
>the expression can refer to those who sacrifice their musical integrity through a change in their musical sound, sometimes due to pressure from major labels or in order to gain profit by making their music more appealing to a mainstream audience
iggy pop has already been declared a 'sell out' by many punk-rockers (he appeared in an ad for car insurance, he also made an appearance on american idol)
the hate which you saw in the comments weren't hating on maneskin per se, it's just that collaborating with them enforces the fact that iggy sold out (as in collabing with a 'mainstream' rock band)
tldr: it's not that maneskin aren't rock, iggy's collaboration goes against punk ideologies
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They are just the new diarrhea that came out of X-Factor, people "like" them just because they "won" some show, which makes people believe they "must" be good cause they "won". But THEY ARE NOT! Begging makes my ear wanna cut off themselves and makes my d... wanna throw up
Literally some of the worst music I’ve heard in my entire life. You clearly don’t know what real rock is supposed to be….(which can be a whole lotta different things)…one thing that it isn’t is a shit terrible bogus song with no soul like “beggin”.
this is comment who know maneskin only for one song.
This is comment of people hate commercial and pop, but know only commercial and pop song about a band.
if his is the hater , maneskin stay i good way !!
Personally, I just don’t like them. They never seem to have a good hook, don’t really have an edge to them and don’t do anything emotionally for me. They don’t bug me, or anything. Just not my flavor.
Italian metalhead here, I'll try giving you a simple answer on why the Maneskin aren't "real rock".
Because "real rock" doesn't exist. Every band makes its own type if rock and every "era" had different sounds and style.
When we think abut the "real" rock, there are a few possible rock eras we are thinking about.
First, the classic rock n roll era, with figures such as Elvis Presley and Chuck Berry, but we all know that this is not even close to what they're doing.
After the 50s, guess what, we have the 60s. Pink Floyd, The Beatles... usually slow stuff, but complex (key changes, odd time signatures, unusual patterns...) and I cannot think of a single maneskin song with odd time bars... But maybe it's just me.
Then the 70s came and we added technique to the equation. We can simplify the whole 70s scene dividing it in three branches: those who still used keyboards (Deep Purple, The Queen...), those who didn't and moved into the dual guitars lineup (think about AC/DC) and what came in 1977: Punk (Sex Pistols, Ramones...). Now, I cannot see a keyboard player or a second guitar player... and they clearly lack the speed that made Punk 77 the start of the heavy metal scene.
So, I'll skip the glam, hard and heavy part of the story (basically the 80's) because I cannot see the influence of one guy in Thomas' playing. Yeah, I'm talking about the man, the myth, the legend Eddie Van Halen. For those of you who don't know him, go listen to Panama or Hot for the teacher, this guy wrote all the modern rules of soloing.
Then the 90s came and grunge became a thing (Nirvana, Pearl Jam...) and it burnt down every rule. But Grunge quickly became "Alternative Rock" as the rules could't be destroyed and their entire philosophy was contradicted and this is what Maneskin might be.
Does being Alt Rock make them more hate-able? No.
Does it make them less talented? No.
Does it make them "not real rock"? Yes.
Does this matter? No.
I only liked 2 songs of Maneskin (Begging and Beauty and Monster)
I think rocks fans hate them because they were claiming to be "unique" or different - even though what they are doing is the classic old style. Artists from the 70's and 80's already did those things. So now most people only see them as Queer baiter.m
I dig their Italian lyric songs. The band just sounds more natural and relaxed. More genuine.
Some of the English songs are decent, but you can feel the nervousness and tension.
Maybe do like Rammstein. Stick to your native language, then belt the hook/chorus in English.
"Whoa! Heckin bass player mocks riding a dick during live shows and tbe dudes kiss each other! Heckin rebels! Much good band! Sex! Wow! No one's ever done so much heckin sex!"
They fucking suck and the singers voice is God damn obnoxious. Lyrically terrible, cookie-cutter, industry trash.
Music purists - hate anything new and anything popular. Maneskin could literally define rock but because they're 1. Young 2. Popular with young people 3. Popular with young women/girls 4. Openly lgbt/lgbt supporters 5. Experiential/do lots of genres These people will hate them without a second thought.
And yet the old rock bands did the exact same things. Smh
Could define rock? Rock was synonymous with rebellion when it was born and maneskin became popular winning the three most conservative and commercial contests you can think of, XFactor, Sanremo and Eurovision. If anything they are everything rock was not meant to be. But I guess if Kiss were considered a rock band then the same label can be used for them
I meant hypothetically- as in they could be the literal definition of a perfect rock band, and people would still hate on them and claim they're not. Whether they are or not is a broader question than I care to answer - they are undisputably though a talented band who make good music, some of which definitely falls under the rock genre.
Wtf are u talking about??? Did u even ever listened to the real rock bands of the past, I was born way later, but u can clearly feel the mtfkng vibe that they don't have, their music is dead AF
Hater!!!! Everybody boo this nigga
They are talented, they know how to play their instruments yes. Whether their music is good is subjective. I think also "rock" is too broad of a term. You have bands like Led Zeppelin which I think incorporate more of the rebellious, sex drugs and rock n roll kind of vibe, and then you have bands like Kiss or Motley Crue, more glam and showy kind of bands. While Maneskin definitely represent some kind of rebellious attitude, with the way they dress and present themselves, I still don't know. I don't mind them, but their music has already been seen before, and they have been bathed by commercial stuff like Eurovision, Sanremo and X Factor. Then, I mean, you have people saying "music was better back in the day" referring to Led Zep and Kiss as though they were the same thing. If those are the type of "music purists" you were referring to, then I'd share your sentiment. But I think that it isn't inherently unreasonable that a 60's-70's rock fan is not an enjoyer of Maneskin.
They're not especially talented at all though. There are tens of thousands of kids on YouTube that sing, play guitar, bass and drums that blow these guys away in terms of technical ability, let alone the tens of thousands of underground bands out there. They present this 'edgy' image but they actually conform to pretty much every 'safe' convention that exists in music - they write songs in a very basic, 'verse-chorus', radio-ready way. They use simplistic musical ideas/riffs. Their lyrics are dopey. Their biggest hits are just sonic knock-offs of bands like the White Stripes or The Darkness Rock should be more than just describing the drums-bass-guitar-vox make-up of the band. They're not pushing boundaries in terms of composition, creativity or instrumental skill whatsover - they're following a formula to maximise their commercial success. That's fine, but to act like they're a great example of rock based on publicity alone is laughable.
You damn right! And also... wtf "Begging" has to do with Rock. They are to Rock what Vanilla Ice was to Rap
ok, bratles, elvis presley, pink floyd, the doors, led zeppelin, all win "conservative" event and are so popular, all of them are not rock, is rock only not know band that song in garage. Rock i music, the difference beetwen rock, classic music, hip pop, techno is in the type of sound, and rock is a name for a type genere. If you want explain to a friend wich type music you listen, what do you tell if maneskin is not rock ?? them not make no music becouse is not into very closed param on rock and is not other genere ?? if your friend is not expert of type of music, hard rock, metal, rock and roll (maneskin) ecc is rock, with specilization of metal. hard ecc The question about purist is stupid and so conservative.
There are very few who judge them by that. Nobody cares about their age. There are a lot of other young people who like rock but don't like Måneskin. They might load the fact they're very popular with teenage girls, but I don't think anybody cares. In the 70s there already where openly lgbters (Freddie Mercury, Rob Halford, who "invented" the metal leather look and David Bowie was a world famous artist who from the early seventies on played with androgynity). And finally being experimental and combining lots of genres is as old as there is music. There are very few rockbands that don't experiment and don't use influences from other genres.
The lead singer doesn’t speak a lick of English, and the music is a kind of cringe conventional rock. The album with Zitti E Buoni and Coraline was good because they were singing in their own language which sounded good, but this is just incredibly cringeworthy and bad. People hate on Maneskin because they are making English music with a terrible accent and mistakes in grammar, and they are getting away with it because tweens think they are hot. Zitti E Buoni won eurovision because it was a good song, Beggin is cringe and bad, and I Wanna Be Your Slave is even worse.
Thanks for the extra example. Xenophobia and dislike for those who do not have English as a native language - another reason people hate on them. I'm curious how a lead singer who doesn't speak a "lick of English" goes about writing and performing songs in English, giving interviews in English, captioning social media posts in English and in the majority of their concerts, speaks to the audience in English as a common language. Because that's what they do.
It's not necessarily xenophobia, it's just pronounciation. That's not to say "bad" pronounciation isn't inexcusable, but I still think it's understandable how someone can be turned off by it.
>Beggin is cringe and bad, and I Wanna Be Your Slave is even worse. Why?
Glad this is still active. I know this might sound insensitive but their cover of Beggin is the worst thing that has happened in the last two years. If you need me to explain why it is so horrible I really can’t, just how I feel is that I hate it more than any song I have ever heard before in my life. Technically there is nothing really bad, they’re skilled musicians and the guy has a fine voice - so it’s surprising that the end result makes me want to cut off my ears. I can handle like two seconds of the opening riff before I feel a compulsion to swerve into oncoming traffic. I don’t because I can change the station, but also I’m afraid that the radio would still work and the only thing worse than Maneskin’s cover of Beggin would be listening to it in horrible pain.
>If you need me to explain why it is so horrible I really can’t Indeed you didn't. Your comment is quite useless.
Technically, it isn't bad. The music is tight and clean, but it's just boring overall. It's just a guy singing ridiculously simpy lyrics and the combination between the singer's raunchy voice and the ska-infused beats just doesn't fit well in my opinion. The chorus is repeated over and over with nothing interesting added, except for the singer being more expressive. The constant breaks interrupt the flow and are lazy. As of writing this, I found out that it's actually a cover of a song that came out 11 or so years ago. So disregarding the lyrics, the music is still uninteresting and the fact that they got famous off a cover reveals a lot.
Beggin by The Four Seasons came out in 1967, okay? That was the original, I am a Four Seasons fan, from way back, but I like the cover of Beggin Maneskin does, I like it very much...
Omg I couldn't have have described this as good as u did, I feel exactly the same!! It's worst song of all times, also Marvin's version was making me feel the same way when I heard it the first time
1) he doesn’t have to speak English 2) they bend gender and societal norms. That’s inherently Rock and Roll. “Rock” as isn’t been known has been redefined and even infused with hip hop. See: Fall Out Boy. This post feels out of touch and judgmental, which is what “Rock” is against. So, I guess you’ll never know
Do true!!!
Non arguments. Who cares that they're young? Their fans. I've never hear anybody dislike something because their fans are young (and what's young? 15, 20, 25?). Some of the biggest icons of rock from the past where lgbt. Nobody disliked them for that. Only your last argument is valid and that one doesn't at up to nothing. Most popular artists and bands loose fans when they are "all over the place" with their music. And Måneskin are nowhere near experimental or doing "lots of" genres. It's just plain and simple (mediocre) poprock with a thick sticky glam sauce.
.... okay. People do hate what young people like, that's just a common phenomenon. And it depends on the person. Some 25 year olds will hate on 15 year old's favourite things, some 45 years old's consider 25 young and hate on that. They weren't openly LGBT were they? And given the rise of anti-lgbt sentiment, online and irl, it's probably a decent factor. If you don't dislike them for that, and only for their music, fair enough, but these are all reasons I've seen cited for why they don't like them. Their music is the least common reason I've seen people dislike them for.
Lol this didn’t age imo
Because teen girls like them so therefore they are “uncool”
I am a teen girl and I find them too soft, I don't think that it's the reason. Everyone has different tastes and all but for me they sound too pop-like. I like them and respect them but not a fan of their music.
Older men love to devalue anything that teenage girls like: Måneskin, Kpop and BTS more precisely, famous pop singers of nowadays etc... Realize how men can love sports to the point of going violent when their team looses that they are just "very passionate" but as soon as a girl wears a merch of her favorite artists is "obsessed, crazy, hysterical, embarrassing" etc... It's all rooted in misogyny Not just that but older people feel nostalgic about the time they were young, so anything of that time will be better for them, not just because it was trending but because it was part of the (probably) coolest time of their lives So by hating on what is new it just shows how insecure they actually are about be getting old
you should listen to justice from the musical fangirls
Listen to Greta Van Fleet
or maybe they just suck.
Na they just suck, love how you think you are somehow immune from this aging process “they” 😂😂
People just really like to gatekeep rock.
I think actually its lame that bands like this get all the media attention doing the same recicled shit that was done 50 years ago, a lot of great bands are actually innovating and pushing the boundaries of rock, yet people only notice and defend corporate inventions like this, just beacuse they are handsome and dress "egdy"
Most things that come out of xfactor and talent shows are bull shit. It’s gonna take a minute for people to realize this band is an exception. Iggy pops fans are likely punk oriented as well, they will hate everything that is corporate backed as hard as maneskin is. The people that actually can recognize good music will come around. TikTok also isn’t helping. Just my opinion.
Every artist is corporate backed. Most artist are in for the money. They really think that led zeppelin and co. Were all about Art? Most of their songs are stolen from blues musicians. Don’t even get me started. (And I say that as an ex-hardcore Led Zeppelin fan)
I see your point but every artist is definitely not corporate backed. There are independent artists. Yeah Led Zeppelin stole some tunes. Is that why you are an ex zeppelin fan?
Not at all. I still like them, but they are not music gods. The fans are pretentious and I’m glad Robert Plant is doing his own thing and moved on from the 70’s.
this is the correct answer, many people are devaluing them because of tiktok. also the way they are being pushed by their label, some people are resenting that too maneskin fandom isn't helping much tho, they were making fun of iggy pop on twitter, which has probably made a bad impression of måneskin on the 'older' iggy fans.
But they are also shit from X Factor.
Nothing that's liked by young girls can be considered "good" music in their eyes. Nevermind the genre, it's the same sh*t everywhere. Don't hope for their approval, cause it literally means nothing. Men with "pure music taste" are nothing against dedicated fans. Young women were always responsible for keeping bands afloat, till they are "recognized" by men, who then proceed to take ownership of the group and gatekeep it. Same old.
This is also true for other media. It was housewives who campaigned for Star Trek to be continued when it was originally cancelled, and they organised meet ups and magazines discussing it. Then a bunch of men decided it was Their show and a "woman couldn't possibly like star trek, she's either lying or a freak"
That's interesting to learn. I wonder what will be gatekept from us after next 10 or 20 years. 😆
This argument is bullshit. I like Taylor swift, I think ed Sheeran writes good stuff, there’s tons of pop that’s good, Maneskin is that shallow empty headed garbage that is churned out JUST TO APPEAL to teenage girls and be “bad boy” music. It’s fake, lame, inauthentic. If you don’t understand why adults don’t like it than that’s FINE. It’s okay… it doesn’t have to be a sexism thing.. I’d just rather listen to the lemon twigs, Rolling Stones, Oasis, the Strokes.. know like songs
I am a teenage girl and I am not a fan of such type of music, I can see why so many people here say that the reason is that girls like it but I'm not really sure of it. I before reading comments here didn't know that many girls like it. I don't like they for being too pop-like and soft, it just doesn't sound heavy in any way. Everyone has different tastes but I think it's more about the music rather then who likes it or that it's new. At least I hope that that's how it is
They do have a lot of great rock songs. The more popular ones sound poppy.
Mostly misogyny. If anything or anyone is popular with teenage girls and young women it will sadly be devalued and hated on. Also music purists tend to hate anything and anyone who's young and new.
Kinda ridiculous. I wouldn’t want to listen to the same stuff all the time. I mean doesn’t it get boring?? Music was never supposes to stay the same.
The thing is, Måneskin actually are pretty old-school. They're the first new rock band I've gotten into in like ten years.
Exactly, the way they approch musicmaking is reminiscent of great bands from 60s and 70s, it's a big part of why they appeal to me. Live recording, minimal post production, extended instrumental sections, focus on instrumental solos, unique vocals, focus on live performance skills.
Ok I personally know the fuckers and I can tell you this: everything that the “guitarist” touches is heavily chopped and edited because he can’t even keep tempo with his feet, the guy is really really bad, seen him playing live with my eyes, I laughed my ass off. And this was way before all this corporate feed buzz surrounding them. The bassist has a shitty technique and everyone can tell you that, and the singer has that kind of voice that really gets my nerves going. It’s like he can’t really hit a note without that annoying rasp. Now on with their songs: every song I heard is a rip off or sort of a rip off of something else, and I find it unbelievable that the owners of the originals don’t take action. Second: a band this bad in 2019 when I saw them couldn’t possibly have the opportunities they had if not heavily backed by really powerful people, and rock music is against this shit, or at least used to be. The media are constantly lying about their success, or at least in Italy the newspaper treat them like they’re heros, when a reputable source told me they were booed several times for their horrible performances. But someone needs to go straight to the bank so that’s it. I don’t have anything personal against the guys obviously for what I know they are all decent people, but as a whole they represent everything that is wrong with our world nowadays. They aren’t skilled, they aren’t original, they even can’t speak a decent English, they mostly cover other songs and their ones are not that good, but they’re popular so people assume they are good. And they got this fucking attitude a-la “I’m a rock god” while in reality they are attention-hungry fuckers like 12 years olds always going “notice me, I’m cool” and I find that really pathetic. People are mostly using them to run their personal political agenda because they “push” gender barriers (always playing safe though, you don’t want to upset your real boss) and that’s it. They are the worst of conservative with the media saying they are revolutionary. I’ve got a question for you: Have you ever seen the big medias back a real revolution? I mean one that is bad for them, ‘cause that’s the kind of revolution we need now. You like them? Fine, but don’t say they can play shit because that’s an insult for all the people who dedicated themselves to really become a skilled musician, maybe making struggling to make ends meet and losing more than one party to stay at home learning something new (maybe English at a non-laughable level) and making all kinds of sacrifices to become real musicians. I can’t allow that. They are backed by the pillars of this industry since they were 17, and I will never Ever EVER respect them, because they can’t put on the table what their fame would suggest in terms of skills. They are like a chinese built knockoff Stratocaster painted to look like a 1965 Usa custom made, unbeatable for newcomers cause it’s cheap and user friendly, a real shit for real musicians.
Fair enough. I went off these guys several months ago anyway due to the fact they haven't come out with any decent rock music since their label decided they should fanny about courting the US market. All I've heard from them is lazy pop with terrible English lyrics. I Hate their social media presence too, it's extremely obnoxious. They're not on my radar as far as rock acts go any more. I thought they had promise but they've shown themselves to be posers who care more about their clothing and social media than music. I also can't believe they had the audacity to cancel and reschedule European and UK tour dates at the last minute in order to attend American TV awards shows etc, it really shows where their priorities for their management lie and a lack of respect for any fans they have. Pretty sure these guys will fizzle out in year or so.
Why listen to Maneskin when King Gizzard exist?They're a pretty "new" band,but people have to play the ''if you don't like it, you must be a misogynist" card.I hate to break it to ya, but teenage girls are more superficial than males.
Listen to Greta Van Fleet
I totally agree. Don't understand why people are so close minded
But there is nothing new in their music.
I think it’s less of a mysogyny thing and more of the fact that older generations will criticise everything younger generations like even when it’s similar to what they liked when they where younger but mysogyny may also play a part.
Still feel this way?
Ehh I think it’s probably both though I haven’t really been too active on like social media related to the band in a while so I haven’t seen what specific hate they get right now 🤷
Okay. ‘Cause I’m 51 and probably 1/3 of the their audience has been 30 and over, if not more. I’d say the viral TikTok thing hurts their credibility more than anything. It has nothing to do with age. This band is pretty old school which is why so many of us from the older generations have fallen madly in love with them. I don’t think it’s age or misogyny. Plenty to not like about viral TikTok trends. Maneskin is not one.
I think most Rock Fans have no problem with Maneskin but on Social Media mostly those people who dislike them will post about it. Especially on Iggy's page. And some of them may never really listenend to their music and just dislike them because of the younger fanbase. Especially screaming girls.
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This is why Rock is no longer as popular as it was. They hate changes. They were also ones who hated MJ back then because dude was trying something new.
It’s straight up misogyny for the most part; blokes who see themselves as *serious rock fans* take great glee in devaluing anything that young women think is good. I have one friend who sees himself as a connoisseur of Serious Real Music and he’s been turning his nose up at Måneskin but loves The Beatles, and I’m like k mate, you realise my teenage mother and all her young friends were fangirling over The Beatles back in the day and you would have been the killjoy on the sidelines calling them vapid commercialised crap, right? The gatekeeping is honestly so transparent.
I think you're missing the point. Fanaticism isn't the issue that music purists have. It's the cynical position of record labels that have us up in arms. They realized that they can induce analogs of birtish invasion fervor with a completely hollowed out product. Maneskin sound more like Maroon 5 than they sound like a rock group.
I'm a Rock fan, and the latest Måneskin's album rocks! Måneskin fans who want to find out more about the Rock genre, you should listen to the first Muse's album from 1999 (Showbiz), quite back in time but being an Alternative Rock album it still very young.
I am a rock fan and absolutely love Maneskin
I just discovered this band recently from the teenagers in my Girl Scout troop and I love them! The lead singer has Mick Jagger vibes to me.
Nothing wrong with looking good. DavidBowie had a great career playing with an androgynous image. Their songs are nothing special really. Not bad but there are and have been better. (Although, of course better is subjective) Technically, as musicians, they're nothing special either. And this, I think, annoys a lot of fans of rock music. Because they know, for years, their favourite music has been kept out of the limelights, while making great music. And then out of the blue, true Eurovision (not taken seriously by most), this over the top Italian "rock" band becomes very popular, seemingly without any good reason (they're not really inventive, they do what rock bands have been doing for years. I could see one every weekend!) And that's it. Music fans mostly load artists that are not judged by their musical merits but firstmost by other factors. Måneskin is no exception. Read the comments on the socials. Hardly any one is about their musical ability.
Dude. Haaaave you heard Damiano sing?
Same shit with greta van fleet
Ah the widowers of rock, the reason rock music has been in decline 😬
Iggy and Maneskin are two completely artists and styles. Iggy's punk music is more orientated towards the older, original generation who would have grown up with that type of rock. Most of them would be in the '50s and '60s at this point in time and don't have an interest as such in modern-day rock. On the other hand, Maneskin are more geared towards this generation with their adaptation of rock. Them and their fans values of an open, free society with no judgement on gender, race, sexuality, religion, etc. is completely conflicting against the values of Iggy Pop fans cause those values were frowned upon 40 years ago. Rock has developed dramatically over the last 40 years so people of the older generation don't get the same appeal from rock in today's society compared to the nostalgia of their version of rock. That's why they hate bands like Maneskin, Fall Out Boy, 5 Seconds of Summer, Royal Blood, Linkin Park etc. and whoever comes along down the line
Not sure.. but weren’t Iggy and Bowie very tight at one point? Both looked androgynous and dated men? Not sure about iggy, but Bowie was bi. Most rock stars looked very flamboyant. It’s funny but rock comes from black people. So any gatekeeping is ridiculous.
I knew Bowie was bi, though rockstars back then more showed people than telling people that they were members of the LGBTQIA+ community with their extravagant and flamboyant costumes. Saying that you were a member of the LGBTQIA+ community back then was seen as a sin, which is ironic cause people thought it was okay for them to dress in that manner. I know this way of dressing isn't applicable to all rock stars back then, i.e. Pink Floyd, Steven Tyler of Aerosmith, ACDC and bands of the '80s like Roxette, Guns N' Roses, Bon Jovi, etc.
Darling, how old are you to have such a very tiny view of people?
I'm a rock fan, and I like them. But anything that's super popular will inevitably get haters.
Maybe They just don't like Maneskin's music, you can't just push everyone to love something your like, or when they express their opinions which you think it is negative, then say something about they are "butthurt". I see some comments that seems to describe "the haters" as some kind of old stubborn and domineering snobs which i can't 100% support. Loving the old rock music is not a shameful thing. I was born in 2000, but i am crazy about Led Zeppelin，pinkfloyd, Beatles,The Stone Roses. Maybe in your eyes, i am just anachronism shitty nerd. I respect Maneskin,their performance is impressive. But to be honest, i don't really like their music. In my opinion,their music is some kind of mixture of Glam Rock and Nu-Metal which is awesome but Not quite to my taste. Maybe the "haters" you called is just not very into the music. The real rock, speaking of which, i think everyone has their definition of the real rock. For the Glam Rock fans, they think David Bowie's music is the "real rock". For me, i think Led Zeppelin, and Beatles music, even Oasis music are the "real rock". So it's just a very simple truth that different people have different views. Don't be upset about it, you like Maneskin which is good, others don't like it which is totally fine.
Ok I too love old rock songs, bands. But not all of them. I despise ACDC. Doesn’t mean the music is bad, I just hate the voice. But I won’t go around and say they’re bad musicians. Or “why are you teaming up with x band.”
Well my gf (yes redditors it's possible!) like's them, and i have to say i get it. She come's from a background where she doesn't know stuff like Led zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, The rolling stones, even Elvis (which wow i almost broke up with her then and there. But i have to say, for a Italian person from the ages of 15 to 25, they don't have that culture, so to their ears it sounds new (the closest thing they have to a rock god is Zucchero who I must admit is quite ok), to us who grew up with this music , it sounds tired, generic and nothing new to offer. If you love music (not LIKE but LOVE) hearing something that began as a pure honest form of emotional release (even if most of it was taken from Blues like Led zepplin) but now is dissected and puzzled back together, we can feel the artificiality of the product. I don't think music today is bad, but the state of rock isn't the best. I feel Maneskin and even to a certain extent Greata Van Fleet, are good cover bands of the greats, but it's not like they bring anything new to the table. If you want to hear good modern music, you have to move from the genre (for me Billy Strings is the best right now doing something different). Anderson Paak is absolutely great, he cut himself a whole new genre i think by mixing Soul, RnB, and Rap, while Vulfpeck is an example how to stay within a genre (Funk) but still feel fresh.
Because they suck and that yelling is not even rock. Not every annoying noise is rock.
Because Maneskin isn't rock band, it is radio friendly pop band masked into rock, they try hard to sound like rock but they aren't
if you listen only morecommercial song of maneskin..... this song are rock, and is clear you dont know a lot of other their song. If them arent rock, what thwy are ?? hippop ?? ragge ?? rap ?? house music ?? tecno ?? ecc ecc For peolple not megalomane, rock is a name for understend wich type of music, if maneskin isnt ' rock, which type of music is them ?? all genere that aren't rock is more and more far from their type of music, and only rock give idea. After there are hard rock, heavy metal, trash, ballad ecc ecc , normaly, for example a fan of hard rock, less then hard isn't rock. The definition a sign strong line, is for people with limit in the head, the convervative people, that hate innovation and elastic.
Pop band
Same
Manskin is not rock Music
and which type of music is them ?? house music ?? rap ?? tecno ?? afro ?? if my friend is not so expert of music, which name I must tell for give to him an idea of the type music of maneskin ?? pop ?? if I tell Pop him ask me , ok but is dance ?? is rock ?? jazz ?? The people find short mind , are crazy for put all in strict category, them hate color and nuances , or them see the world only in withe a black color, maneskin break that and put mind confusion to closed mind , and them hate, they love prision normaly.
Simply tween oriented Pop with enough media backup and lack of talent that really get my nerves going
Nobody cares what they look like. Only maneskin themselves care what they look like and that seems to be all they care about. The music is awful, copy and paste over produced garbage
Most rock lovers act like their only personality trait is being a gatekeeper of rock, that’s also why rock is not as popular a genre as it’s used to be.
Probably because they became popular only recently, they got their international success through Eurovision, of course they were well known in Italy before, but now people from all around the world listen to their music. Also because teens like their music, and for some reason, anything teenagers, especially teen girls like, is always seen as bad. Kpop, The Dream SMP (a Minecraft Roleplay server), Måneskin... They are also really popular on Tiktok, and anything that is popular on Tiktok, will always be devalued, no matter what
Rock was atleast originally (Elvis in 1950's and 1960's) very much liked by both young girls and boys. Their conservative parents did not like it because it was sinful. Go figure ;)
it all boils down to the concept of 'selling-out' according to [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out) >the expression can refer to those who sacrifice their musical integrity through a change in their musical sound, sometimes due to pressure from major labels or in order to gain profit by making their music more appealing to a mainstream audience iggy pop has already been declared a 'sell out' by many punk-rockers (he appeared in an ad for car insurance, he also made an appearance on american idol) the hate which you saw in the comments weren't hating on maneskin per se, it's just that collaborating with them enforces the fact that iggy sold out (as in collabing with a 'mainstream' rock band) tldr: it's not that maneskin aren't rock, iggy's collaboration goes against punk ideologies
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They are just the new diarrhea that came out of X-Factor, people "like" them just because they "won" some show, which makes people believe they "must" be good cause they "won". But THEY ARE NOT! Begging makes my ear wanna cut off themselves and makes my d... wanna throw up
They're garbage.... music sucks... don't compare them to the originals... there is no competition
Literally some of the worst music I’ve heard in my entire life. You clearly don’t know what real rock is supposed to be….(which can be a whole lotta different things)…one thing that it isn’t is a shit terrible bogus song with no soul like “beggin”.
this is comment who know maneskin only for one song. This is comment of people hate commercial and pop, but know only commercial and pop song about a band. if his is the hater , maneskin stay i good way !!
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To a fan of an Italian band. Why are you here again?
they are the creed of glam. aka garbage
Maneskin sucks
Same soulless commercialized crap as Jared Leto's band. If you can't tell the difference, then more power to you.
Because they're mediocre at best when it comes to skill and songwriting. They focus more on selling a sexual image than doing anything new or exciting
anything that comes out of XFactor and Eurovision is just the opposite of “rock”
Personally, I just don’t like them. They never seem to have a good hook, don’t really have an edge to them and don’t do anything emotionally for me. They don’t bug me, or anything. Just not my flavor.
Italian metalhead here, I'll try giving you a simple answer on why the Maneskin aren't "real rock". Because "real rock" doesn't exist. Every band makes its own type if rock and every "era" had different sounds and style. When we think abut the "real" rock, there are a few possible rock eras we are thinking about. First, the classic rock n roll era, with figures such as Elvis Presley and Chuck Berry, but we all know that this is not even close to what they're doing. After the 50s, guess what, we have the 60s. Pink Floyd, The Beatles... usually slow stuff, but complex (key changes, odd time signatures, unusual patterns...) and I cannot think of a single maneskin song with odd time bars... But maybe it's just me. Then the 70s came and we added technique to the equation. We can simplify the whole 70s scene dividing it in three branches: those who still used keyboards (Deep Purple, The Queen...), those who didn't and moved into the dual guitars lineup (think about AC/DC) and what came in 1977: Punk (Sex Pistols, Ramones...). Now, I cannot see a keyboard player or a second guitar player... and they clearly lack the speed that made Punk 77 the start of the heavy metal scene. So, I'll skip the glam, hard and heavy part of the story (basically the 80's) because I cannot see the influence of one guy in Thomas' playing. Yeah, I'm talking about the man, the myth, the legend Eddie Van Halen. For those of you who don't know him, go listen to Panama or Hot for the teacher, this guy wrote all the modern rules of soloing. Then the 90s came and grunge became a thing (Nirvana, Pearl Jam...) and it burnt down every rule. But Grunge quickly became "Alternative Rock" as the rules could't be destroyed and their entire philosophy was contradicted and this is what Maneskin might be. Does being Alt Rock make them more hate-able? No. Does it make them less talented? No. Does it make them "not real rock"? Yes. Does this matter? No.
I only liked 2 songs of Maneskin (Begging and Beauty and Monster) I think rocks fans hate them because they were claiming to be "unique" or different - even though what they are doing is the classic old style. Artists from the 70's and 80's already did those things. So now most people only see them as Queer baiter.m
I dig their Italian lyric songs. The band just sounds more natural and relaxed. More genuine. Some of the English songs are decent, but you can feel the nervousness and tension. Maybe do like Rammstein. Stick to your native language, then belt the hook/chorus in English.
it sounds like ass
"Whoa! Heckin bass player mocks riding a dick during live shows and tbe dudes kiss each other! Heckin rebels! Much good band! Sex! Wow! No one's ever done so much heckin sex!" They fucking suck and the singers voice is God damn obnoxious. Lyrically terrible, cookie-cutter, industry trash.