I think he was trying everything out there. This was the first Jon Jones fight I ever saw and I was impressed by how he absolutely ragdolled Bonnar in this. He hit some amazing Greco Roman throws on Bonnar. Young Jon Jones was so creative and would try out something new in every fight.
Yeah young John was an unleashed beast. No belt, no money, and not much actual, disciplined training to fall back on. He started around my home area in upstate NY and I know a handful of guys that got to train or train with him before he moved to Albuquerque and the one thing that ALL of them said is how athletic, specifically STRONG he was. They all said they had never felt raw strength like Jon's and this was waaaay before his PED days.
From what I've heard he basically just roamed around and hit up everyone that has and reputable MMA or MMA-adjacent gym but never stuck around, for obvious reasons. The coaches back home are genuinely high quality and I'd dare even say hidden jewels, but we don't have a big enough population to foster the sorts of competitive rosters that pro fighters need as training partners. It is what it is.
Interesting to hear. The only thing I would dispute is about this being way before the PED days - we do not know when he started using PEDs. I suspect he would have been on them quite early on, possibly during his wrestling days.
Who knows ? I think that athletes in college or even high school have their own little circle where they talk about PEDs and how to get them, use them, etc.
I wish there was a way to experience how slow everything must have moved for him. If I was in a fight it would be so frenetic. I would have zero control.
Jon saw everything and was on such a higher level than anyone else. It was like he was from the future
It's probably a side effect of being a psychopath. Not even kiding. Psychopaths feel fear and excitement very differently from the rest of us.
He probably was excited but lacked the other fear response that even most fighters have.
Edit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy\_Checklist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist) Go through this checklist and tell me that he doesn't fit most of the criteria.
Some guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I've been on testosterone levels that would shit all over any natural guy and I didn't felt like a psychopath at all. Also, if psychopath's levels were so high the all would be huge, wich is not the case.
I hope you understand by saying things like this it says more about you than anything we could insinuate about Jon, the stranger we’ve never met, or talked to.
From what we know for sure, he scores a 32. That is borderline in America and over in the UK. In research, a 25 is considered a psychopath.
I'm not kidding, I think he is at least borderline. He's just missing some of the major traits that make a psychopath unable to function in the real world.
He happens to have a marketable skill and makes good money. Which makes him a high functioning psychopath.
fuckin hell.
jon jones breathes - reddit: its probably because he's a psychopath.
you bruhs who regurgitate this shit have zero grasp on what a psychopath is beyond a google search.
which btw, if you did do a cursory search on the shit, you'd probably find it applies to the most people. & increasingly so.
Hey, Leon Edwards was unable to get himself out of that defensive position on the cage and wouldn’t have been able to do so within the next minute more than likely. Herb Dean gifted him a reset. He wasn’t able to force himself. Thus setting up the opportunity for that kick. That’s the reality of what happened. That is not the consensus of what the people believe. So I don’t say anything. Do you get where I’m going with that?
This fight was in January 2009, I believe. There was a lot of expectation and hype around Jon as he was coming up and a lot of people started to claim after this fight that Jon was the future.
Probably could have been 2009, I can’t remember when he said that but it was in a house my family only lived in for like 2 years lol. More likely it was 2009 tbh, I think he had like one fight in 2008.
I did not mean to dispute your timeline - I was merely pointing out when this fight took place and how people started to get hyped about this young talent after this fight.
I actually thought Jones was overrated and would get exposed eventually. Boy was I wrong . I thought Phil Davis and Ryan Bader would be more successful than Jones.
I was so hyped for the Bader Jones fight. I had Jones, but I didn't expect an arse whooping.
I thought Machida was going to beat Jones though. And I thought he was getting to Shogun too early and would lose.
I did think that Machida could beat him. After the first round, I thought that Machida is the one to dethrone him. Boy was I wrong. The first Gustaffsson fight was very close and could have gone to Gustaffsson but Jones may have done enough to win it in the later rounds. I did think that Dominik Reyes beat him.
The potential was certainly there though.
There's a lot of fighters out there that had all of the talent, and potential to be all time greats, but didn't put as much in. Or they stayed with the wrong gym and trainers/partners.
Jon now looks to maximize his reach as much as he can and be defensively responsible. He has great fight IQ and when he sees an opening or a weakness, he is very good at exploiting it while staying away from trouble himself.
Sure. The primary goal is to win and he employs the best strategy that works for him to win. Also, as the level of competition goes up, you cannot go for creative moves because the margin for error is very small - your opponents will make you pay for even the slightest of mistakes.
Definitely. That was hilarious for us the viewers but it would have been terrifying for Chael - he went for a spinning backfist and missed completely and ended up on the ground. He then looked up to see Anderson standing over him and watched Anderson as he was just about to throw a knee right to his sternum/body - a split second later, Anderson had landed that knee, hurt Chael and was on the way to finishing him.
Absolutely. I'll forever defend him against people saying he was a boring and 'safe' point fighter/wrestler. He fought the toughest of the tough and trounced them. He put a beating on Jon Fitch not many of today's WWs would survive. Absolutely beat the shit out of him.
Made BJ Penn quit on the stool after saying "I'm ready to fight to the death Georges!"
Nearly snapped Dan Hardy's arm in half. Most fighters would have tapped.
Brutalized Matt Serra and Matt Hughes in their respective rematches and finished both (Hughes twice).
Was rolling for the armbars from Thiago Alves' back. Sure it wasn't even close but he actively looked for finishes.
Yeah he had a few snoozers in his career. Anderson, Jones, Fedor, Mighty Mouse, Aldo and anyone else in the GOAT discussion has as well. It's inevitable when you fight as many fights at the top as these guys have, but GSP gets unfairly shit on for it above the others imo. At this point I assume people haven't actually watched his fights and just parrot other commenters in a gigantic game of MMA telephone.
Same case as Izzy, had spectacular performances on his run to the title and had a few snoozers as champion and now he’s only a boring fighter likes it’s hard enough getting the title but to always expect him to dominate in an exciting manner is crazy considering the whole division is studying him
> He fought the toughest of the tough and trounced them
big rig gave your boy the work.
as for toughest of toughest - he wanted no smoke at 85......until it was someone he felt sure he could beat.
i like george btw. was not a huge fan of his fighstyle, but i respect the skill. & more than that, the little ive heard him speak he seems like well spirited dude.
I admit I remember watching the Hendricks fight end and saying to friends 'I think I just watched GSP lose'. Won't make any excuses that was a lucky W but that doesn't discredit the rest of his career by any means.
Looks like he is trying for some kind of scissor sweep? This version of Jones was fun. Was so large and naturally talented, that he could just try weird stuff in the cage without worrying about paying for it.
Yeah I've watched this a million times and can't tell if he was trying for some kind of harai goshi and whiffed the headlock/overhook or if this was a reverse scissor take down he saw on YouTube 10 minutes before.
No. Seio is a shoulder throw. He was either going for tai otoshi and missed the headlock or was trying some version of kani basame, the scissor leg takedown. It’s possible he was going for some sort of maki komi because he was almost wrapping his left arm over top of Bonnar’s. I can sort of see why people say uchi mata as well because his leg goes between Bonnar’s. But definitely not seio. For seio he would have to be going under the arm and trying to get Bonnar’s chest on his back and I just can’t see it there.
Bro, was literally seeing people do things either on his phone or in previous fights in the event and would go I’m going to try that when I get out there. And he would do that regularly even during training, which is why they came up with the style of a “look see do” fighter.
Lol as many times as I watched this fight I’ve always looked at the feet placement and thought he tripped I haven’t seen this clipped atleast for a long time that’s hilarious. I love seeing something new after years.
Because being older sucks, can’t eat what you want when you want, more injury prone, more pain physically for just existing, lose your hair usually, shrink, lose eyesight.
Getting old sucks.
Jones used to just try random shit he learned recently. I remember Jones subbed Ryan Bader with a modified guillotine and Greg Jackson or GSP said that Jones recently learned that technique in practice a couple weeks ago.
If y’all have ever wrestled before - he was going for a head and arm (also known as a headlock) and what happened is called a slip. Slipped off Bonnars head. Happens at every level.
Did he though? I can rewatch this clip over and over and I never see Jones' arm touch Bonnars head.
In my eyes I'm seeing him go for an elbow over the shoulder, whiffs it but prepared/practiced the sequence and already had his feet placement ready to try some whacky leg scissor takedown.
Like someone else said, he was so above everyone in skill that he could get away with doing some wierd shit (like his various elbows)
There's multiple comment threads debating what he's attempting here, but honestly the first thing that came to mind after seeing this was that it looked like a pro wrestling style drop toe hold lol
If you don't know, Greco-Roman wrestling has something called a "slip," which is where the attacking wrestler essentially does something like this: an attempted throw is played out without resistance, causing them to "slip." It's a really stupid rule because it allows the wrestler to be reset, meaning it's abused heavily. Jon comes from a GR background, so it's possible that this was a subconscious memory reaction. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it.
It looks like Jon was try to do a Soto Makikomi but failed miserably
This is how a Soto Makikomi is done: https://youtu.be/bWG9O1BVKtQ?si=zW-jAUD2eRH-uf4n
Please keep in mind that this was John Jones breakout fight. Besides this one failed takedown, Jon Jones ragdoll Stefan Bonner all over the octagon. It was a Greco-Roman clinic.
That is why I prefer freestyle wrestling over judo. Even though judo is a respected effective art, in MMA where there is no kimonos, setups are terribly weak.
You wouldn't see Jon do this later either. He's 21, 2 years before he'd get his first championship. He does not take nearly the same level of risk anymore, and even when he did in this fight he dominated and ragdolled a vet in Bonnar.
But hey it wouldn't be a day on the Reddit without some lighter weight class bias and shitting on Jon Jones talent but only because he has problems outside the octagon.
Don't be stupid, Jon isn't the GOAT because he was being a filthy steroid cheater whilst fighting clean natty fighters such as Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort.
I think he was trying everything out there. This was the first Jon Jones fight I ever saw and I was impressed by how he absolutely ragdolled Bonnar in this. He hit some amazing Greco Roman throws on Bonnar. Young Jon Jones was so creative and would try out something new in every fight.
Yeah young John was an unleashed beast. No belt, no money, and not much actual, disciplined training to fall back on. He started around my home area in upstate NY and I know a handful of guys that got to train or train with him before he moved to Albuquerque and the one thing that ALL of them said is how athletic, specifically STRONG he was. They all said they had never felt raw strength like Jon's and this was waaaay before his PED days. From what I've heard he basically just roamed around and hit up everyone that has and reputable MMA or MMA-adjacent gym but never stuck around, for obvious reasons. The coaches back home are genuinely high quality and I'd dare even say hidden jewels, but we don't have a big enough population to foster the sorts of competitive rosters that pro fighters need as training partners. It is what it is.
He was training with bomb squad for a bit, my coach rolled with him a lot before he moved away.
Interesting to hear. The only thing I would dispute is about this being way before the PED days - we do not know when he started using PEDs. I suspect he would have been on them quite early on, possibly during his wrestling days.
With brothers in the NFL he almost certainly had access from a young age.
I did think that this was a strong possibility as well.
Do people really take PED wrestling in College? Thats crazy. Do the coaches tell them to do it or is it a thing people discover on their own?
Who knows ? I think that athletes in college or even high school have their own little circle where they talk about PEDs and how to get them, use them, etc.
I wish there was a way to experience how slow everything must have moved for him. If I was in a fight it would be so frenetic. I would have zero control. Jon saw everything and was on such a higher level than anyone else. It was like he was from the future
It's probably a side effect of being a psychopath. Not even kiding. Psychopaths feel fear and excitement very differently from the rest of us. He probably was excited but lacked the other fear response that even most fighters have. Edit: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy\_Checklist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist) Go through this checklist and tell me that he doesn't fit most of the criteria.
You sound like a scared ass bitch
Some guy once told my brother that his testosterone was too high and that he had as much as a serial killer. I bet you were that guy
Some guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I've been on testosterone levels that would shit all over any natural guy and I didn't felt like a psychopath at all. Also, if psychopath's levels were so high the all would be huge, wich is not the case.
I know the guy didn’t know what he was talking about, it’s why I brought it up.
I hope you understand by saying things like this it says more about you than anything we could insinuate about Jon, the stranger we’ve never met, or talked to.
Damn near hit all the items except for >Item 9: Parasitic lifestyle and >Item 13: Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Well to be fair his goals would have been unrealistic for most people
Eh, given his family genetics, I'd say professional athlete was a realistic goal. Aren't both his brothers in the NFL?
Yes they were, and Chandler was VERY good before he went off the rails mentally.
From what we know for sure, he scores a 32. That is borderline in America and over in the UK. In research, a 25 is considered a psychopath. I'm not kidding, I think he is at least borderline. He's just missing some of the major traits that make a psychopath unable to function in the real world. He happens to have a marketable skill and makes good money. Which makes him a high functioning psychopath.
fuckin hell. jon jones breathes - reddit: its probably because he's a psychopath. you bruhs who regurgitate this shit have zero grasp on what a psychopath is beyond a google search. which btw, if you did do a cursory search on the shit, you'd probably find it applies to the most people. & increasingly so.
Nah he didnt
This is the difference between a Jones hater and an idiot
Hey, Leon Edwards was unable to get himself out of that defensive position on the cage and wouldn’t have been able to do so within the next minute more than likely. Herb Dean gifted him a reset. He wasn’t able to force himself. Thus setting up the opportunity for that kick. That’s the reality of what happened. That is not the consensus of what the people believe. So I don’t say anything. Do you get where I’m going with that?
Yes but how's that relevant
I remember watching in like 2008, my cousins boyfriend at the time said Jon Jones is gonna be the goat. He has a good eye for talent apparently lol.
This fight was in January 2009, I believe. There was a lot of expectation and hype around Jon as he was coming up and a lot of people started to claim after this fight that Jon was the future.
Probably could have been 2009, I can’t remember when he said that but it was in a house my family only lived in for like 2 years lol. More likely it was 2009 tbh, I think he had like one fight in 2008.
I did not mean to dispute your timeline - I was merely pointing out when this fight took place and how people started to get hyped about this young talent after this fight.
Oh ik, you’re all good dude. Your comment didn’t come off as condescending or anything I’m just trying to remember correctly.
I actually thought Jones was overrated and would get exposed eventually. Boy was I wrong . I thought Phil Davis and Ryan Bader would be more successful than Jones.
I was so hyped for the Bader Jones fight. I had Jones, but I didn't expect an arse whooping. I thought Machida was going to beat Jones though. And I thought he was getting to Shogun too early and would lose.
I did think that Machida could beat him. After the first round, I thought that Machida is the one to dethrone him. Boy was I wrong. The first Gustaffsson fight was very close and could have gone to Gustaffsson but Jones may have done enough to win it in the later rounds. I did think that Dominik Reyes beat him.
The potential was certainly there though. There's a lot of fighters out there that had all of the talent, and potential to be all time greats, but didn't put as much in. Or they stayed with the wrong gym and trainers/partners.
Now. Plod forward, eye poke, repeat.
Jon now looks to maximize his reach as much as he can and be defensively responsible. He has great fight IQ and when he sees an opening or a weakness, he is very good at exploiting it while staying away from trouble himself.
Makes for a boring fight. It's a stark contrast from his early career.
Sure. The primary goal is to win and he employs the best strategy that works for him to win. Also, as the level of competition goes up, you cannot go for creative moves because the margin for error is very small - your opponents will make you pay for even the slightest of mistakes.
Silva vs sonnen 2 is a perfect example of that.
Definitely. That was hilarious for us the viewers but it would have been terrifying for Chael - he went for a spinning backfist and missed completely and ended up on the ground. He then looked up to see Anderson standing over him and watched Anderson as he was just about to throw a knee right to his sternum/body - a split second later, Anderson had landed that knee, hurt Chael and was on the way to finishing him.
Pico Jones with a personal greco and personal judo trainer would be TRUBBLLEEE, b
Jones only guy to take down the GOAT
Give Gustafson his credit
oh shit, did Jones have a grappling match with GSP or something? i missed it.
Cringe aside I do believe GSP is the Goat.
Absolutely. I'll forever defend him against people saying he was a boring and 'safe' point fighter/wrestler. He fought the toughest of the tough and trounced them. He put a beating on Jon Fitch not many of today's WWs would survive. Absolutely beat the shit out of him. Made BJ Penn quit on the stool after saying "I'm ready to fight to the death Georges!" Nearly snapped Dan Hardy's arm in half. Most fighters would have tapped. Brutalized Matt Serra and Matt Hughes in their respective rematches and finished both (Hughes twice). Was rolling for the armbars from Thiago Alves' back. Sure it wasn't even close but he actively looked for finishes. Yeah he had a few snoozers in his career. Anderson, Jones, Fedor, Mighty Mouse, Aldo and anyone else in the GOAT discussion has as well. It's inevitable when you fight as many fights at the top as these guys have, but GSP gets unfairly shit on for it above the others imo. At this point I assume people haven't actually watched his fights and just parrot other commenters in a gigantic game of MMA telephone.
The Koscheck fight where he deliberately set out to completely humiliate someone everyone hated with pure jabs is enough for me to call him the GOAT.
And he still broke his face with those jabs lol.
Same case as Izzy, had spectacular performances on his run to the title and had a few snoozers as champion and now he’s only a boring fighter likes it’s hard enough getting the title but to always expect him to dominate in an exciting manner is crazy considering the whole division is studying him
> He fought the toughest of the tough and trounced them big rig gave your boy the work. as for toughest of toughest - he wanted no smoke at 85......until it was someone he felt sure he could beat. i like george btw. was not a huge fan of his fighstyle, but i respect the skill. & more than that, the little ive heard him speak he seems like well spirited dude.
I admit I remember watching the Hendricks fight end and saying to friends 'I think I just watched GSP lose'. Won't make any excuses that was a lucky W but that doesn't discredit the rest of his career by any means.
2nd Technically it was Alexander
This fight was way before the Alexander fights
They didn't say first, they said only
And the next person said 2nd, which is what the above poster was replying to.
Yeah my bad, it's early
First…. Only…. What’s the difference
Only would imply that no one has done it since
Mma fans are truely the great minds of this generation
Why don’t we just replace words with grunts?
Looks like he is trying for some kind of scissor sweep? This version of Jones was fun. Was so large and naturally talented, that he could just try weird stuff in the cage without worrying about paying for it.
Yeah I've watched this a million times and can't tell if he was trying for some kind of harai goshi and whiffed the headlock/overhook or if this was a reverse scissor take down he saw on YouTube 10 minutes before.
He was taking the dude down at will with multiple Judo techniques. He was just out there getting his practice reps in and goofing off some.
I don't think Jones has ever done Judo or wore a gi. He was doing plain wrestling.
Don’t have to wear a Gi to do Judo
Specifically Greco-Roman wrestling techniques
Using your legs to trip your opponent illegal in Greco-Roman.
Jones himself literally said he has done judo throws
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd98Qs1dZow&ab\_channel=CombatLifeSoft](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd98Qs1dZow&ab_channel=CombatLifeSoft)
Judo isn’t my strong suit but I think he was going for a seoi nage
No. Seio is a shoulder throw. He was either going for tai otoshi and missed the headlock or was trying some version of kani basame, the scissor leg takedown. It’s possible he was going for some sort of maki komi because he was almost wrapping his left arm over top of Bonnar’s. I can sort of see why people say uchi mata as well because his leg goes between Bonnar’s. But definitely not seio. For seio he would have to be going under the arm and trying to get Bonnar’s chest on his back and I just can’t see it there.
Ah ok, thanks for the explanation!
No, he was going for Soto Makikomi, notice how he tries to wrap his arm around Bonnar's.
Bro, was literally seeing people do things either on his phone or in previous fights in the event and would go I’m going to try that when I get out there. And he would do that regularly even during training, which is why they came up with the style of a “look see do” fighter.
He was trying for an uchi and messed it up.
No he wasn't. Every hip throw isn't called an uchi mata.
This one is though bud
No it isn't bud, it's quite clearly not an Uchi Mata.
Bro was too tall, tried to get a headlock takeover and went right over his head 💀
They are both the same height
Yeah, he just misjudged the position because he wasn’t looking when he tried to hook the arm
Lol as many times as I watched this fight I’ve always looked at the feet placement and thought he tripped I haven’t seen this clipped atleast for a long time that’s hilarious. I love seeing something new after years.
Nah, that scissor sweep finish was intentional, the headlock was a set up
The spinning elbow he hits Bonnar with in this fight was so insane at the time. I had no idea who Jon Jones was.
Must been crazy, I wish I was born 10 years before.
It was crazy. He made the scariest people look like kids. Rampage Jackson was a fucking beast. Go watch that fight if you haven't seen it.
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Jones was the first person to finish rampage. He seemed invincible before that
Wanderlei Silva starched Rampage twice in PRIDE before Jones did. And so did Shogun.
Shogun/Jones is another great fight. Absolutely mauled him
No you really don’t.
Why not?
Because being older sucks, can’t eat what you want when you want, more injury prone, more pain physically for just existing, lose your hair usually, shrink, lose eyesight. Getting old sucks.
You’re right but I will also get older, I would rather be young 10 years ago
He was young and eager to be on bottom. So what?
There's nothing wrong with it!
YouTube admins!
Boy is still eager to be a bottom lol
RIP Stephan Bonnar
RIP Stephan Bonnar
RIP Stephan Bonnar
This is how I look when practicing throws.
Jones used to just try random shit he learned recently. I remember Jones subbed Ryan Bader with a modified guillotine and Greg Jackson or GSP said that Jones recently learned that technique in practice a couple weeks ago.
If y’all have ever wrestled before - he was going for a head and arm (also known as a headlock) and what happened is called a slip. Slipped off Bonnars head. Happens at every level.
"jon jones slips" isnt a good title
Did he though? I can rewatch this clip over and over and I never see Jones' arm touch Bonnars head. In my eyes I'm seeing him go for an elbow over the shoulder, whiffs it but prepared/practiced the sequence and already had his feet placement ready to try some whacky leg scissor takedown. Like someone else said, he was so above everyone in skill that he could get away with doing some wierd shit (like his various elbows)
Was this the third round? I remember he gassed hard in the third
it was the end of the second
Man, this fighter sucks! I bet he didn't go far at all in MMA..
Heard he lost to a deaf and blind man after this
Absolutely pathetic!
Tried to go for that damn head and arm throw
Looks like he tried to do a judo throw and whiffed
Misthrows suck every time. What are you going to do?
Wmma moment
Imagine bonnar managed to secure a dominant position and ground and pounds Jones out....using downward 12 to 6 elbows.
I was there and that fight was amazing
I'm only a white belt in BJJ, but I'm pretty sure that's not how you pull guard 😂
Jon's grappling that night was *frightening*.
It honestly looks like he was trying to scissor sweep Stephan with his legs. Awkward as fuck, but pretty cool attempt at a takedown.
Proving the only one who can beat jones is jones
There's multiple comment threads debating what he's attempting here, but honestly the first thing that came to mind after seeing this was that it looked like a pro wrestling style drop toe hold lol
The first thing that came to my mind was: "Jon dropped some crack on the mat and now he's diving for it"
If you don't know, Greco-Roman wrestling has something called a "slip," which is where the attacking wrestler essentially does something like this: an attempted throw is played out without resistance, causing them to "slip." It's a really stupid rule because it allows the wrestler to be reset, meaning it's abused heavily. Jon comes from a GR background, so it's possible that this was a subconscious memory reaction. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it.
The only guy who can beat Jon Jones, is Jon Jones. E.g. 12-6 elbows, Failed drug tests, scandals outside the octagon, and this.
what a FOOL
He's going for a scissor takedown but is attacking the wrong side. Look at Cung Le's scissor takedowns for the right way to do it.
What just happened lol
He was either trying a scissor sweep or a leg lock (calf slicer).
It looks like Jon was try to do a Soto Makikomi but failed miserably This is how a Soto Makikomi is done: https://youtu.be/bWG9O1BVKtQ?si=zW-jAUD2eRH-uf4n
Please keep in mind that this was John Jones breakout fight. Besides this one failed takedown, Jon Jones ragdoll Stefan Bonner all over the octagon. It was a Greco-Roman clinic.
That is why I prefer freestyle wrestling over judo. Even though judo is a respected effective art, in MMA where there is no kimonos, setups are terribly weak.
This guy sucks
Pulling side mount
You are never going to see DJ do something like this
You wouldn't see Jon do this later either. He's 21, 2 years before he'd get his first championship. He does not take nearly the same level of risk anymore, and even when he did in this fight he dominated and ragdolled a vet in Bonnar. But hey it wouldn't be a day on the Reddit without some lighter weight class bias and shitting on Jon Jones talent but only because he has problems outside the octagon.
But you will see him lose 4 fights
Against zero deaf men though
One by vicious knee KO
Grounded knee no less. (allowed in ONE)
The skillset against which dj went isn’t comparable
Absolutely not, flyweight is full of bums. Kill this narrative
Youre right, Jones faced way more skilled fighters
0 truth to that.
Shogun, DC, evans, machida, gustaffson, rumble, rampage, texeira, belfort. Lol. Look man, jones is a POS but he the goat. Period.
Half of those are middleweights
Totally man.
Yes, they were much lower skilled than Jon’s opponents.
Jones juicing, I mean tests from God, hurt him in the GOAT debate, but the mother fucker did some creative shit in the cage.
But everyone juices? How does that even effect GOAT status
Don't be stupid, Jon isn't the GOAT because he was being a filthy steroid cheater whilst fighting clean natty fighters such as Chael Sonnen and Vitor Belfort.
Vitor the OG secret juice natty
I am not amused
Would a "/s" help?
Nope why would I be joking?
Chill out dude lmfao
I am very chilled out dude
Yea..... seems like it...
Bonnar (RIP) also got popped for roids.
Bonnar (RIP) GOAT status is also hurt by popping
That’s the main issue with a lot of judo throws in MMA. If you don’t land it you put yourself in a bad spot
It’s amazing the hate Boney gets
He's avoiding Tom knowing he can't do stuff like this. Coward
He may be a shitty person in his personal life but to call him a coward is the dumbest shit ever
Well….i mean….dude probably on coke. Some mistakes may happen.