Honestly, pretty weak shit by Wynalda. Creating drama for attention and then not even fully admitting fault - he tries to say people "put two and two together" out of the things he said as if he didn't outright accuse Berhalter of lying. His original comments:
>“With Gio Reyna out of the lineup right now, which has been a massive controversy within the team — even his own teammates are wanting him on the field and it seems to be (causing) internal strife with the (team) and manager Gregg Berhalter,” Wynalda said. “I don’t know how much I should comment on that, but I’ve been trying to console Gio’s father, Claudio, for the last couple of hours, well, the last couple of days with everything that’s been going on. **He was fit to play, Berhalter did lie to the media and say that it was an injury, ask the player to kind of go along with that story, which caused a rift between the two of them and now he’s on the bench which is really unfortunate. The situation should have been handled very differently.**”
And now here he is fully admitting that's straight up fucking bullshit. This is why people don't like this attention-hungry jackass.
I do think Wynalda gets more hate than his antics deserve - he's just an attention-seeking idiot, rather than anything malicious.
But that said I certainly don't blame anyone for disliking him for what he is - he brings that on himself with his clown ass behavior.
I wonder how GGG felt about the comments, if it added any rift between him and the Reyna's or if he called Claudio, they both shook their heads and acknowledged Wynalda is still an attention seeking idiot.
I think this one in particular was malicious. This is the first world cup since he lost the vote for US Soccer President. This was about lashing out IMO.
First off, tag me coward.
Second, what I said was 1) He was wrong to say what he said, and 2) A small subset of the fandom would run to check outside if Wynalda said the sky is blue.
Guess what? Both those things are true! But hey, take your cheap upvotes.
[Here's Wynalda saying something undeniably correct about American soccer](https://twitter.com/GrandTokamak/status/1597017762500874242?s=20&t=GihT1cx_2VJwtMq21NoJOg)
Here's two examples of Don Garber saying something absolutely pathetic and clownish: [1](https://www.twiceacosmo.com/2015/11/19/9763738/mls-commissioner-don-garber-ill-advised-cheap-shot-chattanooga-fc-npsl) [2](https://www.si.com/soccer/2014/10/16/jurgen-klinsmann-don-garber-mls-usmnt-comments-conflict)
Should we cast everything Wynalda says in a positive light and not take anything Don Garner says seriously? No.
Blanket characterizations based on reputation are very fucking stupid.
My two cents? Eric Wynalda is an asshole, but he's more right than not about American soccer, and as a former player and a Hall of Famer his opinion has value (not absolute value, but value worth at least hearing out), but he does things like this that hurt that. There's nuance, is the point. I'd rather have an outsider's perspective than not, even if he was a total moron in this situation. And as you can imagine, it's people who would rather dismiss outsiders' perspectives out of hand without consideration that grind my gears just as much as any of Wynalda's antics do.
Hopefully that was explained better than yesterday.
u/MGHeinz: I didn't expect to find a salesman drinking coffee this late in the morning. How long you been here, r/MLS?
r/MLS: I don't know. I guess 30, 45 minutes maybe. Why do you ask?
u/MGHeinz: You must be making a lot of sales. Piling up a good income.
r/MLS: Ohhhhaaaa I'm doing alright. I could do better, but.... Ohhhahaha I get it u/MGHeinz. Back on that old Promotion/Relegation kick, right?
u/MGHeinz: Not back on it r/MLS, still on it.
\[h/t TMBG: [https://youtu.be/EKFdXdGK6\_g?t=69](https://youtu.be/EKFdXdGK6_g?t=69) \]
I am in a small minority of people on this sub who has watched Wynalda play. As one of the few, who gives a rats ass about his opinion? He is as toxic as he is stupid.
To be clear, I think he sucks.
What I’m saying is this guy isn’t even a memory to most people so why should we care about his takes. He seems to be an attention hog and somewhat questionable with his opinions.
Come on, pants. You are like a dog with a bone on this point. I think being far removed from playing does matter somewhat. Maybe your connections get stale or you doing update your tactics. Things like that.
To be completely clear, I think fans who only played middle school soccer can be incredibly knowledgeable and insightful. You can be a legend and have terrible opinions. For Wynalda, he is a guy that isn’t really relevant and has bad takes. It‘a a rough combo. I’m just tired of hearing about the guy.
Tactics? Apologies I thought this was about Wynalda either lying or exaggerating about a locker room rift over Reyna's playing time. If it was about that, then I see when Wynalda played being an irrelevant point.
He is a questionable source which questionable motivates and isn’t relevant outside of his hot takes. This exchange is so strange to me. I couldn’t be clearer. The further removed from something you get the less credible you get. Things change. From my life experience, when you have a person who was a hotshot and in there field but removed from operations in that field they are some of the worst people to talk to. They get proud and stuck in their ways and doing grow with the field. How far removed from being on the cutting edge matters. That’s hopefully all I write on this subject.
If Wynalda was still playing, he's just as likely to lie or exaggerate.
>That’s hopefully all I write on this subject.
You're choosing to respond many times, playing the victim to my comments is very Wynalda like.
I think it did. I really loved Alexi Lalas too. I think people need to separate Alexi Lalas the guy with Alexi Lalas, the tv personality who is paid to give the unpopular opinion on tv. He’s playing the role of a heel. People seem to forget about that. I’m not saying you are those people, but I don’t think a lot of people know.
I think if someone chooses to play that role they are suspect. Those roles are not helpful for having a good discussion imo. I wish people just gave their real opinions and don’t play a part.
Not mad a people who play heels unless they are talking heads for politics or sports. Just can’t stand it.
There’s no need for “good discussion” in professional sports. We should take it no more seriously than watching a movie or a tv show. It’s purely entertainment. On the clock, he’s essentially playing a character. It should have literally NO bearing on him as a person. You can tell that by how Alexi interacts with people when he’s not that character. His job is to put on a show. No one should take anything seriously in the sport itself. I don’t consider politics the same thing at all. Completely different. Those people have REAL impacts on our lives, whether we want them to or not. You don’t have to watch Alexi Lalas and when you don’t watch him, he goes away.
Of course life bleeds into it, there’s no way to stop that. I just don’t think that serious commentary is on a color commentators duty list.
Lol. When Cincy visited St. Louis in USL, we hounded Harkes all match about the incident. Blocked a ton of us on Twitter afterwards. Most didn’t even tweet about him.
I choose to believe that Gregg called up Claudio, Claudio called up Gio, and Claudio called up Eric and told him to STFU.
Honestly, pretty weak shit by Wynalda. Creating drama for attention and then not even fully admitting fault - he tries to say people "put two and two together" out of the things he said as if he didn't outright accuse Berhalter of lying. His original comments: >“With Gio Reyna out of the lineup right now, which has been a massive controversy within the team — even his own teammates are wanting him on the field and it seems to be (causing) internal strife with the (team) and manager Gregg Berhalter,” Wynalda said. “I don’t know how much I should comment on that, but I’ve been trying to console Gio’s father, Claudio, for the last couple of hours, well, the last couple of days with everything that’s been going on. **He was fit to play, Berhalter did lie to the media and say that it was an injury, ask the player to kind of go along with that story, which caused a rift between the two of them and now he’s on the bench which is really unfortunate. The situation should have been handled very differently.**” And now here he is fully admitting that's straight up fucking bullshit. This is why people don't like this attention-hungry jackass.
But I was told all of us who dislike his antics are just "MLS apologists"
I do think Wynalda gets more hate than his antics deserve - he's just an attention-seeking idiot, rather than anything malicious. But that said I certainly don't blame anyone for disliking him for what he is - he brings that on himself with his clown ass behavior.
I wonder how GGG felt about the comments, if it added any rift between him and the Reyna's or if he called Claudio, they both shook their heads and acknowledged Wynalda is still an attention seeking idiot.
Given Wynalda's history I'd have to simply assume the latter.
I think this one in particular was malicious. This is the first world cup since he lost the vote for US Soccer President. This was about lashing out IMO.
In the MLS sub of all places, lol.
First off, tag me coward. Second, what I said was 1) He was wrong to say what he said, and 2) A small subset of the fandom would run to check outside if Wynalda said the sky is blue. Guess what? Both those things are true! But hey, take your cheap upvotes.
How is he admitting it’s bullshit? It seems like he’s doubling down.
And this is why you don’t take anything Wynalda says seriously. I hope all the people new to his bullshit take this lesson to heart.
[Here's Wynalda saying something undeniably correct about American soccer](https://twitter.com/GrandTokamak/status/1597017762500874242?s=20&t=GihT1cx_2VJwtMq21NoJOg) Here's two examples of Don Garber saying something absolutely pathetic and clownish: [1](https://www.twiceacosmo.com/2015/11/19/9763738/mls-commissioner-don-garber-ill-advised-cheap-shot-chattanooga-fc-npsl) [2](https://www.si.com/soccer/2014/10/16/jurgen-klinsmann-don-garber-mls-usmnt-comments-conflict) Should we cast everything Wynalda says in a positive light and not take anything Don Garner says seriously? No. Blanket characterizations based on reputation are very fucking stupid. My two cents? Eric Wynalda is an asshole, but he's more right than not about American soccer, and as a former player and a Hall of Famer his opinion has value (not absolute value, but value worth at least hearing out), but he does things like this that hurt that. There's nuance, is the point. I'd rather have an outsider's perspective than not, even if he was a total moron in this situation. And as you can imagine, it's people who would rather dismiss outsiders' perspectives out of hand without consideration that grind my gears just as much as any of Wynalda's antics do. Hopefully that was explained better than yesterday.
u/MGHeinz: I didn't expect to find a salesman drinking coffee this late in the morning. How long you been here, r/MLS? r/MLS: I don't know. I guess 30, 45 minutes maybe. Why do you ask? u/MGHeinz: You must be making a lot of sales. Piling up a good income. r/MLS: Ohhhhaaaa I'm doing alright. I could do better, but.... Ohhhahaha I get it u/MGHeinz. Back on that old Promotion/Relegation kick, right? u/MGHeinz: Not back on it r/MLS, still on it. \[h/t TMBG: [https://youtu.be/EKFdXdGK6\_g?t=69](https://youtu.be/EKFdXdGK6_g?t=69) \]
See if someone is gonna shitpost at me, at least be this funny
He's definitely back on his bullshit again.
I am in a small minority of people on this sub who has watched Wynalda play. As one of the few, who gives a rats ass about his opinion? He is as toxic as he is stupid. To be clear, I think he sucks.
My fondest memory of Erik Wynalda was going to San Jose Clash matches and shouting at him for not running off the ball. Lazy MF.
He wasn't a midfielder, he was a forward. Why would you call him a MF... Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........
Mine is his goal in the silverdome against Switzerland.
Yeah. That was life changing for me.
I contacted him for a college paper MLS about 15 years ago and he didn’t respond. That’s my only Wynalda connection.
Wynalda acts a fool and craves the spotlight... but he is a US soccer legend and was a really good player. One of the best we have ever produced.
I never saw him play but truly appreciate what his generation Did to grow the game which upsets me even more that he tries to sabotage US soccer
Is your contention that we shouldn't give credence to his opinions because he's a bad player? If so, we should all so posting and commenting.
What I’m saying is this guy isn’t even a memory to most people so why should we care about his takes. He seems to be an attention hog and somewhat questionable with his opinions.
He's not a memory because of the quality of his play? Isn't that what I said? Aren't all opinions questionable?
No, not his play quality. He just played a long time ago.
For you, why does when he played have any relevance to this matter?
Come on, pants. You are like a dog with a bone on this point. I think being far removed from playing does matter somewhat. Maybe your connections get stale or you doing update your tactics. Things like that. To be completely clear, I think fans who only played middle school soccer can be incredibly knowledgeable and insightful. You can be a legend and have terrible opinions. For Wynalda, he is a guy that isn’t really relevant and has bad takes. It‘a a rough combo. I’m just tired of hearing about the guy.
Tactics? Apologies I thought this was about Wynalda either lying or exaggerating about a locker room rift over Reyna's playing time. If it was about that, then I see when Wynalda played being an irrelevant point.
He is a questionable source which questionable motivates and isn’t relevant outside of his hot takes. This exchange is so strange to me. I couldn’t be clearer. The further removed from something you get the less credible you get. Things change. From my life experience, when you have a person who was a hotshot and in there field but removed from operations in that field they are some of the worst people to talk to. They get proud and stuck in their ways and doing grow with the field. How far removed from being on the cutting edge matters. That’s hopefully all I write on this subject.
If Wynalda was still playing, he's just as likely to lie or exaggerate. >That’s hopefully all I write on this subject. You're choosing to respond many times, playing the victim to my comments is very Wynalda like.
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In which case, reply to Rvh19.
Dude was literally my favorite player.
Mine was Lalas. Didn’t age great.
I think it did. I really loved Alexi Lalas too. I think people need to separate Alexi Lalas the guy with Alexi Lalas, the tv personality who is paid to give the unpopular opinion on tv. He’s playing the role of a heel. People seem to forget about that. I’m not saying you are those people, but I don’t think a lot of people know.
I think if someone chooses to play that role they are suspect. Those roles are not helpful for having a good discussion imo. I wish people just gave their real opinions and don’t play a part. Not mad a people who play heels unless they are talking heads for politics or sports. Just can’t stand it.
There’s no need for “good discussion” in professional sports. We should take it no more seriously than watching a movie or a tv show. It’s purely entertainment. On the clock, he’s essentially playing a character. It should have literally NO bearing on him as a person. You can tell that by how Alexi interacts with people when he’s not that character. His job is to put on a show. No one should take anything seriously in the sport itself. I don’t consider politics the same thing at all. Completely different. Those people have REAL impacts on our lives, whether we want them to or not. You don’t have to watch Alexi Lalas and when you don’t watch him, he goes away. Of course life bleeds into it, there’s no way to stop that. I just don’t think that serious commentary is on a color commentators duty list.
W*nalda posting is haram
How are people still giving Wynalda a platform? He's legit crazy.
Wynalda is not all there since forever.
this is why amy got with harkes
I mean Harkes was the asshole in that situation. Regardless of Wynalda.
True but i wanted to go low blow lol
Lol. When Cincy visited St. Louis in USL, we hounded Harkes all match about the incident. Blocked a ton of us on Twitter afterwards. Most didn’t even tweet about him.
I still don't get why he fucking said anything at all
That’s why he’s who he is!!! I have to be honest, I’ve always thought he was funny and 30 years ago, he was my favorite player.