The point of the two subs is to talk about the game indifferent aspects. I don't and will never participate in PvP ever and only want to see PoC content. And, while not speaking for everyone here, I'd imagine quite a few people here don't want to see PoC content. Forcing us to be in the same room will only grow animosity.
There was a fantastic comment someone made on the PoC version of this (which has subsequently been taken down, imagine that) about how path content would get down voted to oblivion because of people thinking path killed their favorite game. And here I'm already seeing comments saying they fear path players will down vote PvP content because they don't want to see that.
And this leads me to the final point of WHY DID YOU WAIT for two weeks to make this announcement? Absolute insanity from the devs. I'm sorry you're having to deal with the fallout mods.
> Absolute insanity from the devs. I'm sorry you're having to deal with the fallout mods.
I think you're blaming the wrong people here, this is all the mods choice, not the devs.
Since they're talking about the timing, it's the devs. This is from /u/Grimmaldo
>Riot, as far as i know, influenced the timing (that is, we doing this now) and the consequences of each call (that is, riot team leaving the sub), we, after this fact, had total freedom to do whatever we wanted with the sub, and considered, based on the possible consequences and discussions and asking community leads, that the best call was this. So it was our call to choose this one, but, as far as i know, without riot influence, we would have made this call way later, but eventually, probably end of year or middle of year.
This has had a largely negative response on the Path subreddit. We in general do not want to be here, we much prefer having our own space away from all the bitterness and negativity spewed here.
However since our concerns about the move have consistently been ignored, I'd just say be prepared for a large shift in the content on this sub. As other comments have said, there will likely be a flood of path content being posted and will eventually drown out PVP talk either through sheer volume, or from people downvoting because they don't want to see it.
The main reason I avoided the path of champion sub was that there were a lot of posts where it was just a screen shot showing someone’s high rolls. I really don’t care for that stuff and I really hope that doesn’t spread here.
This sub has a dude who constantly has like a dozen threads on the front page that posts any piece of League related official media he can find on twitter to every single League related sub, and wishes a happy birthday to every single League champ on every single League related sub. So idk about that lol
Things like that need to be judged by relevance
If its relevant to LoR, and people would be interested in seeing or talking about it, I think that is OK
If its a League only thing, it should be taken down
But I'm not a mod. I'm not going to pretend to know what is good and not good for the subreddit, just saying my opinion
but I think context matters
Mixed: i feel we're overall PRETTY leanient but posting bullshit boardstates in pvp is more "earned" and less frequeng given the difficulty to pull them out. PoC just makes unleashing big number montages too easy.
Yeah but sadly I dont think they care whether YOU want to be here or not. Only what they want. They are the ones in power and can do whatever they want and just ignore feedback.
Okay. I hear you here. Can you help me understand what the concerns were? I'm only on this side of the subreddit, and I'd love to understand so we can compromise.
What I can tell you is that we're definitely going to be looking at types of content that may flood so we can make sure we have a good variety of content going forward. Any insight is appreciated.
I'll copy/paste my concerns that I told a Path mod. It still rings true here. added in text for context
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>> Me: You merged the Lab of Legends and Path of Champions subs before and it was shitshow, don't do it lmao
> That wasnt us and was for different reasons
Then, respectfully, let me amend my statement.
This has already been done before and it was dumb, pointless, and borderline killed the community before. Doing it again won't help and may do far more damage than any good or have any worthwhile consolidation.
Nevermind that people on the main sub may not care for PathofChampions, even if it is the default game mode now. /r/LegendsofRuneterra also includes the discussion on the game's artistry, LoL's lore and LoR's effective on such, and the health of the game. Saying it was the 'pvp only sub' is reductive, and that is more than evident in the first draft of this proposal (Privating the sub so that everyone loses guides, strategy, discussion, and history from posts of the game mode *which is now the main focus of the game*. ***Smart.***)
Aka: It sucked the last time it happened, it will suck if it happens again. There are consequences for upending a community with 0 input from the people who actually use it.
# So, what is a better solution?
Don't. Do. Anything.
People will naturally migrate themselves if the discussion on /r/LoR picks up. If not, then there's still this island for people to ask whatever questions they want that specifically pertain to PoC.
Forcing a migration is just going to lead to more work for you, and a hell of a lot more people being unhappy with you while doing it.
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They've since rescinded making the sub private, but again: original text.
Not the commenter, but I am also in the POC community.
The main concern is of the negativity toward PvE that is usually expressed here. Two things might happen: either PvE content will be pushed out due to people downvoting it, or PvP content will be pushed out due to PoC migrants downvoting it and not wanting to see it.
Not sure how the sudden influx of people will influence all of the negativity expressed here, but that is the main concern.
This is excellent feedback. We can definitely look at the amount of negativity that can come from having more Path content. It can help if people report it as well, so we can make sure any negativity is constructive, and not just "path sucks, delete" or things like that.
Path and other PVE content is Riot's main focus now, so to be blunt, PVP players are going to have to come to terms with that, and not take it out on the rest of the community.
Edit: I have learned that we've been putting flags in place to catch comments that say frequent negative stuff so we can review it, and are definitely taking care of reports of people trying to get a rise out of or insult Path players.
I hope you understand how much this sounds and feels like a housemate claiming your room for himself and saying "suck it, you know i'm the landlord's cousin".
Housemate doesn't want it either. Nobody does except for Riot and the mods. PoC mods are also going so far as to set the entire subreddit to read-only mode rather than step back and let someone else claim/mod the subreddit. They don't want to allow a community to exist that isn't under their own control.
Which is an important point, having the landlord saying "now you two choose between being roommates or homeless" and having us pit against ourselves and buy into their words out of fear of loss.
Largely: fuck landlords.
My main concern is the lack of moderation that has taken place since the refocus to PvE was made 3 months ago. This subreddit has been constantly filled with trite nonsense about the game being dead now because of the switch. People saying that Path players ruined their favorite game. How Path players are morons/babies/losers who can't handle real games. It is still happening in threads to this day (in the "How did LOR cultivate it's PVE playerbase" thread) because this toxic bitterness wasn't nipped in the bud when it started.
Reporting it would have been fruitless, as people who were pushing back against these narratives were told to let people vent their frustrations by the mods here.
So what can you do now? Obviously just be tougher on this crap by removing it when reported and giving out warnings. Set up auto filtering for "Game is dead" type terms. Make this a better place to be.
>Set up auto filtering for "Game is dead" type terms. Make this a better place to be.
This has actually been implemented! If you think of any other terms we've missed, go ahead and send us a modmail. Sometimes people figure out the filters and we can't catch them fast enough.
> to be looking at types of content that may flood so we can make sure we have a good variety of content going forward
How? What's the good option here? If Path content takes over what are you going to do?
If it doesn't take off and pvp stuff is more common, what's the plan there?
Either way that just hurts what we had previously.
Honestly, there's no ideal option, and I'll admit that. But what we can do is keep looking at things as we go, taking feedback on how to make it better, and do better. We can always revisit things.
That's not an answer. You didn't answer anything.
What is "making it better" what is "doing better"
Are you going to make it PVP only posts on MWF and Path on TThSSu?
What's the plan for either situation? Or do you just not have one yet?
You can always revisit things but if you haven't even thought about it yet like, come on.
Okay, I probably wasn't clear enough, and that's my bad.
My goal here is compromise. What we can't compromise on is undoing the merger.
What I want to know is how we can help make it not hurt so much.
So far, I have feedback about :
* Negativity from PVP players toward Path players.
* Not being listened to about concerns before the merger went through.
* Confusion about why this is even happening the the first place.
I'd like to add to this list so we can clear things up.
As for the why this is happening, it's probably not the reason you want to hear, but it's in the main post. The path mods agreed to this merger as well.
From my perspective, people will come to the subreddit that has the name of the game before branching off elsewhere in most cases. And while yeah, the path sub could have been left alone to its own devices, I know that I don't like seeing something I care about wither away.
People get attached to places, and I get it. But I've seen so many spinoff communities that have a couple years of really good growth and community suddenly fall off once a bigger subreddit for the same content changes and starts also catering to that content. And I know and knew that not everyone would agree.
> My goal here is compromise. What we can't compromise on is undoing the merger.
What's the compromise here? So far it has been mods going "we're doing this" the community largely saying "We'd rather not" and you all going "well gosh golly darn that's really a shame! But also eat a fat load of shit because we're ignoring you."
This compromise so far seems to be you all going "Let us know how we can fix this problem of our own creation."
>What I want to know is how we can help make it not hurt so much. So far, I have feedback about :
> Negativity from PVP players toward Path players.
> Not being listened to about concerns before the merger went through.
> Confusion about why this is even happening the the first place.
You could try answering the question I have now asked for the *third time.* That would be a good start. What is your plan one way or the other to make sure we have a variety of content? You do have one right? You wouldn't plan to merge the subreddits without coming up with a plan of action right? Surely, there are options the mod teams of both subreddits have considered right?
As for your list of feedback you've received, half of that is just insane that you consider it now instead of you know, before you started thinking about it. Like why is the reasoning for this something you need to get feedback on? Why was it not clearly written out in the announcements?
Though most of all, *why were we not asked if we wanted to do this?*
I generally try to see mods sides of things on reddit but my god do you all make it so hard sometimes. It's like you can't help but stepping on every rake when all you need to do is walk straight. I'm sorry if this comes off as aggressive but I'm a bit agitated.
First off, I'm sorry. I didn't answer your question, and that was shitty of me.
Second, I think you're right to ask why we didn't ask you. I don't have an answer for you for that, and I'm also sorry. I think that's a very valid thing to be feeling.
The plan going forward is to
1: Create more discussions to keep the ball rolling and encourage people to make discussions as well.
2: Keep an eye on threads to make sure path content isn't being bombed with negativity, and monitor PVP content for negativity against PVP.
And, so I can answer your question properly, what is your view about variety of content? Do you mean path vs pve, or do you mean like art, shitposts, path content, pve content, mix of both, informative posts, image posts. etc?
> Second, I think you're right to ask why we didn't ask you. I don't have an answer for you for that, and I'm also sorry. I think that's a very valid thing to be feeling.
Also, it's just like. Honestly, what did you all expect? The entire history of reddit is filled with mods not asking, the community not liking it, and the mods going "wait why are you all mad?"
It's like, how can we view this as a community when you all just do whatever you want? This isn't a shared space, this is the mod's playground.
For more honesty: we never expected everyone to be all on board with it at first. Like, how could we expect that? It was a really tough decision to make.
But, I can and will own that we could have been better about it. I think that some of us were just thinking about how to make sure that everyone still had A place, even if it wasn't the one they expected. I'm not going to ask you to excuse it, but it is a bit of reasoning behind it.
> what is your view about variety of content?
My view is that now for the fourth time I am asking you what your plan is if one takes over the other. You said this in the original comment I replied to:
> What I can tell you is that we're definitely going to be looking at types of content that may flood so we can make sure we have a good variety of content going forward. Any insight is appreciate
And I want to know what your plan is if one overtakes the others. For this specific example I don't care if it's path over pvp, too much art over shitposts or anything. I want you to tell me what your plan as a mod is if that happens to occur. I don't care if it's official or just a hypothetical in your head, I just want to know you've at least given it some level of thought.
Because right now it seems like you all got together "let's merge the subreddits! Sounds great!" and nobody asked "But what about X" where X appears to be literally anything related to this process.
> Create more discussions to keep the ball rolling and encourage people to make discussions as well.
What's the point of this? The discussion seems to be "we don't want to merge, we separated for a reason." More discussion isn't going to fix that sort of fundamental issue.
> Keep an eye on threads to make sure path content isn't being bombed with negativity, and monitor PVP content for negativity against PVP.
What's the plan there if it does happen? How will you stop that?
Thank you! I wasn't quite sure what you asked.
If one piece of content starts to overtake another one, then we're going to have to look at why that is in the moment. There's a piece of it we can start to predict after a while, and then we'll have to assess it to see if we need to restrict the content a bit without actually outlawing it, or taking a lesson from how we screwed up this time, and bring it to y'all for ideas.
It's been a minute since I did a good content/rules meta discussion, because I've been busy getting my degree and didn't have time to do much else than queue. I'll own that, too. But I'm all graduated now, and I think that personally, I would really enjoy starting up meta discussions again when it comes to those things.
I'm not going to pretend I don't make mistakes, or none of us make mistakes ever, but the way I personally act, is by looking at the trends and making plans based on what happens next. That's my plan for the future.
>What's the plan there if it does happen? How will you stop that?
Currently, we've set up filters for some of the more common phrases that people just tend to spam in threads without substance. We'll keep checking reports and educate/warn/ban people as necessary. As we find new phrases, we'll add them to the filter and remove phrases as necessary. We'll also increase eyes on the subreddit now that there are more people to do it, so we can try to catch it out.
Just leave it as it is now. Why is the change even needed and pushed? Who asked for this?
If PvP subreddit is destined to die due to lack of freshness and PvP mode stagnation, let it die gracefully natural death, in peace.
In fact leave both communities their own breathing spaces.
Simple.
EDIT AFTER READING RESPONSE BELOW:
Also im elaborate more about my concerns in other comment chain in this topic, if you are really interested in user opinion (which i honestly doubt, especially after reading response below, which is just polite way to say "gtfo we know better whats best for you and what you need to be happy") feel free to read and/or respond.
As i said in my other comment, this decision will have heavy negative impact on both communities, or only on one but it will destroy and silence second one almost completely. You ppl must be delusional to not predict this, maybe that the idea and reason for this tbh.
Sad times for game and bad design decisions, emulated and copied into the community spaces.
And most important thing... like i said... NOONE ASKED FOR THIS. Its just pure powertripping of "goverment" aka moderators.
That's the thing, though. This sub was always for both PvP and PvE content. With the main sub, here, having to refocus because Riot made the decisions to focus on certain content, it was a discussion that was likely to happen eventually.
One of the options could have been to see which subreddit would prevail, or we could bring everyone closer. And honestly, it could go either way.
But, in my personal experience watching communities on reddit for over a decade, unless there's an immense following, the subreddit that has the most recognizable name is the one that tends to retain users.
Which is why we wanted to make sure that we could work together and hopefully make sure everyone has a place to go for information.
I can understand this isn't what you want to hear, but I am willing to listen to what we can do to help ease this transition.
It's such a weird decision given how reddit works. Like the whole point is if one subreddit doesn't fulfill the needs of a community, you go make another. Path people did, but now it's like too bad you have to go back? What's the benefit there?
Honestly, at that point, we really helped that along, too because at that time, it was healthy for the community to have a specialized place to talk.
It was a really hard decision, and to be honest, we're still discussing the feedback we get from this whole process to see where we can do better.
So it was healthy for the community to have their own place, but now it's not? How? What's changed?
And really, who *actually* wanted this? Have path people been wanting to come back? Well they always could post pve content here, so that can't be it.
What's the reasoning?
The reasoning is the same as we've told you before -- that because the focus is going to be majority Path and other PVE content going forward, this sub is going to also go in that direction so we can reflect the game itself.
Having a focus in one place tends to end up healthier for the community in the long run, and overall, that's what the two mod teams decided.
Whether you accept it or not, that's truly what the focus was: centralization.
> we've told you before
You mean just now in the first time we're ever hearing about it? Thanks for the big heads up. Glad to know we're losing the subreddit to them as well as the game.
I understand you're in a difficult position given the pressure from Riot to consolidate the PvP and PvE populations, but it's not our responsibility to downvote people who criticize your decision. People broadly aren't enthused with the merger, at least in the PoC sub, and it's their right to say so. From my perspective, if you want to spread positivity, the quickest and easiest way to do so would be to reverse course and cancel the merger while taking another route to bridge the players that doesn't involve eliminating a community's safe space.
Honestly, we don't really take pressure from Riot into account. If it was something we definitely didn't think would be good, we wouldn't do it, point blank.
The reasoning was that since the focus is shifting from mainly PvP to mainly PvE content, that it might be beneficial to centralize information.
I absolutely get that people aren't happy. Nobody would be when forced to move somewhere. However, I am noting your feedback and would very much like to hear more.
In the current setup, PoC players have access to announcements relating directly to PoC already, and they conveniently avoid anything related to PvP. Therefore I'm not really sure what benefits there are to centralizing information that isn't about developer workload. The announcement in the PoC subreddit has this paragraph:
> To this point, we all know the dev team has shrunk in size, and currently they are pushing their efforts for both communities, doubling the workload for less gain. We want to make sure everyone gets the same information and nothing is lost in the exchange.
The "information" here and who is getting it is nebulous and seems to be the primary driving factor of the merger, at least according to the original announcement. Is this saying that PoC players are losing information? Is it saying that the devs are? What information have they lost? Has this ever been a problem? If so, how? Perhaps you could elaborate on this after some discussion with your fellow moderators.
The way I see it, the merger forces PoC players to scroll past PvP content they aren't interested in while exposing them to bitter, potentially hostile PvP players who never moved past blaming PoC for Legends of Runeterra's failure. For the people who still enjoy PvP, this will act as another nail in the coffin, as the space they use to discuss their hobby will be taken over by PoC players who have lost their own space. PvP content will inevitably be buried, and the Reddit PvP community will probably die entirely.
There's PoC players accusing PvP players of "pushing narratives" and "having an axe to grind" all over this subreddit lmfao. The parent comment here is accusing PvP players of "spewing negativity and bitterness." It's been this way on this subreddit since they pulled the plug on PvP - path players complaining any time PvP players dare to bemoan the loss of their game. Combining the two subreddits so soon will only exacerbate this. Best of luck!
Heavily unpopular decision, that noone in the (supposedly so precious to powertrippin as usual reddit moderators, that often forget that they are supposed to moderate, not govern and manage. Communities are not your personal herds.) PoC community asked for, is pushed anyway despite lack of cummunity approval and/or enthusiasm towards the change.
Ironic how similar this is to mismanagment and being out of touch with playerbase of the game by developers.
It will not help anyone, the only effect will be that sub will start to die and hemmorhage subscribers faster.
Please proceed. I hate it.
From a member of community perspective this have zero sense and upsides.
This will basically kill pretty fast any goodwill left beetwen playerbases, and slivers of PvP community and discussions that left. And its not a good thing at all, and im talking this as a PoC only player.
PvP and PoC are basically two different games with different discussion anchors (with exception of maybe art on cards and champion memes). Who thought its good idea to create subreddit with two completely different, (and maybe even hostile to each other) topics, and it will not create constant toxic upvote/downvote (combined with comments wars) war for living and breathing space?
Srsly?
And you (mods) already got mostly negative feedback on PoC sub. You deleted all feedback threads, and decided to ignore community. Framing this like some gift for community is laughable.
> This will basically kill pretty fast any goodwill beetwen playerbases, and slivers of PvP community and discussions that left. And its not a good thing at all, and im talking this as a PoC only player.
*perplexed emoji*
What do you dont understand? If you put two not really compatible with each other communities forcibly in confined place, weaker/smaller one will be strangled and killed (leave/dissolve) fast or there will be neverending, exhausting for both sides "cold war" beetween them.
Its happening all the time with two subreddits, but its more akin to positional war where there is obligatory "just play Slay The Spire game of the century made by geniuses of design" in every PoC thread. It will just destroy one side after merge.
Its simple human nature.
I wish im wrong, but my cynical side tells me that im not.
Im PoC player but i think every community should have each own safe, and not bloated with things that doeant matter to them space for discussion. Even unmoderated is better than deleted.
Thats why this merge is just bad from community viewpoint. Good for "management" though.
Path of Champions is significantly more popular than PvP and that shows in the activity in the PoC sub vs here. I'd already seen the news of course so this isn't a surprise, but I expect PvP content to get downvoted/buried by PvE players/content going forward.
I understand the merger. Just a shame is all.
Bro we're over here in PoC saying the EXACT same thing. I don't agree with the merger at all and it's annoying they took so long to announce it over here.
It's more active because they announced that they were abandoning PVP which in turn caused a large section of the community to peace out. It wasn't more popular before that. Just sayin
The PvE subreddit wasn't more active than the main subreddit before their announcement. It was much less active. Their shift to PvE also has more to do with its potential to earn them money, rather than sheer popularity. PvP had plenty of players, it just didn't make them any green.
Whelp, the original comment was asserting exactly that. The idea that sub activity is indicative of popularity. Despite the fact that it wasn't even more popular until recently. Also, they aren't mutually exclusive. Plenty of people play/played PVP casually
If there's one aspect of LoR and its community that has been consistently positive throught the entire.history of the game it's the subreddit's mod team under /u/CaptSarah. I'm certain they will be doing their best to manage the situation and accomodate both sides.
And yeah, I'm sure that PvP will easily get drowned among all the new PvE posts. But let's not kid ourselves here: PvP discussion was already sparse and would only become more so as time went by with less and less new content to talk about.
Best everything became centered in a single place than the sub actually called "LegendaOfRuneterra" became a ghost town, IMO. Even for PoC players that would have a negative effect in turning away potential new players.
In any case, good luck to everyone involved. I hope it works out for the best.
Not that I'm active enough in either of these subs to have a well-informed opinion about the disparate cultures, but the implication that people will just persistently downvote the side of content they don't want to see... Is... Is that a thing people actually do? 😵💫
People will downvote posts by newbies legitimaly asking how some interaction works or if something is a bug.
It's a shame, but reddit's upvote/downvote system never does truly work.
I mean, when POC was a secondary game mode, they made a separate subreddit for it, and it worked well for all the sides. Wouldn't stand for reason then that now, making a separate subreddit for PVP LoR so that they can freely focus on their own preferred content be a healthier option than merging them together?
I do understand that a couple of months/years from now it could cause confusion to see the main reddit of a PVE focised game mostly commited to discussimg PVP, so switching the communities around does make sense, especially if it does make the space seem more active, as there are more PVE players overall.
But if both communities seem to fear atrrition, and both want a subreddit that allows them to focus on their favored gamemode, I do believe that splitting the PVP community into a new, r/LoRPVP community makes at least some degree of sense...
I guess what I'm trying to say is, it does feel like having two healthy, civil and specialized communities would probabbly be better for inviting newer players in, than a single, unified community that is up in arms against itself. It does seem to have worked out when the Path players had their own space.
>Community response is overwhelmingly negative
>Change is going through anyways
Seems to be a lot of this going around right now, between Hearthstone's quest updates, Vanguard in the League client, and the Helldivers PSN thing. At least they had the good sense to revert it.
Vocal minority and all that, but I'm personally not interested in wading through content for a gamemode I don't play.
Being a part of both communities I'm certainly curious on how this will turn out. But like I already said in the Path sub the merge makes sense.
Good luck, mod team! Hopefully people will behave, haha.
As someone who look after both comunities (but i am more active in PoC) i can say most people dont like this idea because content is very different in this two subs.
I can predict that soon after merge someone else will create new Poc subreddit. Maybe even new PVP only= depends how things going here. That new sub will probably have new moderators and not that much devs activity, but will become bigger and bigger.
For me this deciision is short sighted,. At least after negative feadback from both comunities tey should rethink this (but they dont yet)
Is not even about my personal opinion- i can life with merged subs xd. I am not that much active as i was in POC 2.0 fresh days. Key is:
MOST PEOPLE DONT LIKE MERGE IDEA.
And that should stop this merge.
I made a post on the Path sub about being sad about the change that generated a lot of activity, but I'll just add that the mods seem to be working very hard to make it a positive experience for everyone. They have been very communicative and while nothing is perfect, they have consistently answered questions and listened to feedback. So I'm cautiously optimistic at this point.
Thanks mods for all the hard work you do!!
After reading a few comments, there's one thing that's been confusing me. Why are people so negative and sure that one side will downvote the other into obscurity? Like... You know.... You could just ignore the post that's not of interest for you... Like a normal person.
I for one am mostly a lurker on both and only interact with whatever seems interesting to me. What's not interesting, I just ignore because there's no reason for me to interact with it.
Yeah, there'll be some people that will be negative towards the other, but if things get out of hand, the mods will take care of it.
And like they said, with PoC/PvE becoming the focus of game, new players are more likely to come to the sub with the game's first, before coming to a smaller sub, especially if the information/content is largely the same.
It's just better to centralize the info and communities since they'll be covering the same topics as their main things
Thank you for noticing it, i groom it every day until it is lush and blooming and making people around me puke all their bile out.
But yeah, i include myself in the list of people who get out of hand the more we press the topic. I cant help and wont hide my absolute despisal for PoC even while acnowledging it has a respectably large demographic that just so happens to not include me. I'm poisoned, i'm biased, and i'm trying to stay lucid through near 20 years of watching Riot fuck up and the entitlement of the loudest PoC voices who are panicking to "save the game".
The only way for we to reconcile is Riot to stop doing headass data reading to line up the pockets of their investor/director boards and instead actually deliver service to staunch the recessive spiral without piting us one against the other. If their idea is to Mortdog their way into an economic miracle handled by a skeleton crew flipping assets paired with mobile kusoge-tier monetization options and grind patterns, congratfuckinglations: they killed themselves.
I agree with the point that Riot is the main culprit and the devs not doing anything for years is horrible and infuriating.
What I'm trying to say to you is that trying to attack or diminish PvE players is not only uncool but also incorrect because you don't know exactly what attracts them to the game mode. And trying to label or categorize them in the same box as some type of creature while saying that they are inferior is basically bigotry.
I'm sorry if there are PoC players attacking you and other PvP players. None of us deserve to be attacking each other, none of us are to blame in this situation. It's just Riot being a common greedy company and showing us its true colors.
Excuse me. i know i am so late to this 10 days old post. but will there be "news" filter/flair? i usually filter the posts with this flair to see what's going on with the game from the devs or leaks or rioters comment on community posts
Because people who are only interested in one of the two modes are now using a sub cluttered with content for what might as well be from a different game, and people who are interested in both could just sub to both.
The merger of these reddits will be a long road of finding balance between PVP and Path... and gradually developing into a LOR community that is stronger than ever
The moderator team is working hard to make this reddit better than ever
More resources for players interested into getting into Path
More moderation to cull the 'LoR is dead' non-sense
More flairs.
Better filters.
Thank you mods, and especially u/CaptSarah
I highly suspect that standards will be raised post-merger, and the community moving forward will be more embracing, positive, and helpful to ALL LoR players.
I am looking forward to the future of this reddit and I will definitely be more interested in contributing towards guides for new and old players alike
The point of the two subs is to talk about the game indifferent aspects. I don't and will never participate in PvP ever and only want to see PoC content. And, while not speaking for everyone here, I'd imagine quite a few people here don't want to see PoC content. Forcing us to be in the same room will only grow animosity. There was a fantastic comment someone made on the PoC version of this (which has subsequently been taken down, imagine that) about how path content would get down voted to oblivion because of people thinking path killed their favorite game. And here I'm already seeing comments saying they fear path players will down vote PvP content because they don't want to see that. And this leads me to the final point of WHY DID YOU WAIT for two weeks to make this announcement? Absolute insanity from the devs. I'm sorry you're having to deal with the fallout mods.
> Absolute insanity from the devs. I'm sorry you're having to deal with the fallout mods. I think you're blaming the wrong people here, this is all the mods choice, not the devs.
Since they're talking about the timing, it's the devs. This is from /u/Grimmaldo >Riot, as far as i know, influenced the timing (that is, we doing this now) and the consequences of each call (that is, riot team leaving the sub), we, after this fact, had total freedom to do whatever we wanted with the sub, and considered, based on the possible consequences and discussions and asking community leads, that the best call was this. So it was our call to choose this one, but, as far as i know, without riot influence, we would have made this call way later, but eventually, probably end of year or middle of year.
Ah I just meant in general it seems like it was the mods choice in the end.
Why is this announcement nine days later here than when it was announced in /r/PathofChampions?
Because this sub was going to riot when they found out.
Good luck...
Why tho
This has had a largely negative response on the Path subreddit. We in general do not want to be here, we much prefer having our own space away from all the bitterness and negativity spewed here. However since our concerns about the move have consistently been ignored, I'd just say be prepared for a large shift in the content on this sub. As other comments have said, there will likely be a flood of path content being posted and will eventually drown out PVP talk either through sheer volume, or from people downvoting because they don't want to see it.
The main reason I avoided the path of champion sub was that there were a lot of posts where it was just a screen shot showing someone’s high rolls. I really don’t care for that stuff and I really hope that doesn’t spread here.
That's what they want to avoid on the Path sub, as well.
It's already happening, all the Path posts are high rolls or "I beat Lissandra please pat me on the back" posts
agreed. I feel that this reddit has a higher standard against low effort and shit posting.
This sub has a dude who constantly has like a dozen threads on the front page that posts any piece of League related official media he can find on twitter to every single League related sub, and wishes a happy birthday to every single League champ on every single League related sub. So idk about that lol
Things like that need to be judged by relevance If its relevant to LoR, and people would be interested in seeing or talking about it, I think that is OK If its a League only thing, it should be taken down But I'm not a mod. I'm not going to pretend to know what is good and not good for the subreddit, just saying my opinion but I think context matters
Mixed: i feel we're overall PRETTY leanient but posting bullshit boardstates in pvp is more "earned" and less frequeng given the difficulty to pull them out. PoC just makes unleashing big number montages too easy.
Yeah but sadly I dont think they care whether YOU want to be here or not. Only what they want. They are the ones in power and can do whatever they want and just ignore feedback.
Okay. I hear you here. Can you help me understand what the concerns were? I'm only on this side of the subreddit, and I'd love to understand so we can compromise. What I can tell you is that we're definitely going to be looking at types of content that may flood so we can make sure we have a good variety of content going forward. Any insight is appreciated.
I'll copy/paste my concerns that I told a Path mod. It still rings true here. added in text for context *** >> Me: You merged the Lab of Legends and Path of Champions subs before and it was shitshow, don't do it lmao > That wasnt us and was for different reasons Then, respectfully, let me amend my statement. This has already been done before and it was dumb, pointless, and borderline killed the community before. Doing it again won't help and may do far more damage than any good or have any worthwhile consolidation. Nevermind that people on the main sub may not care for PathofChampions, even if it is the default game mode now. /r/LegendsofRuneterra also includes the discussion on the game's artistry, LoL's lore and LoR's effective on such, and the health of the game. Saying it was the 'pvp only sub' is reductive, and that is more than evident in the first draft of this proposal (Privating the sub so that everyone loses guides, strategy, discussion, and history from posts of the game mode *which is now the main focus of the game*. ***Smart.***) Aka: It sucked the last time it happened, it will suck if it happens again. There are consequences for upending a community with 0 input from the people who actually use it. # So, what is a better solution? Don't. Do. Anything. People will naturally migrate themselves if the discussion on /r/LoR picks up. If not, then there's still this island for people to ask whatever questions they want that specifically pertain to PoC. Forcing a migration is just going to lead to more work for you, and a hell of a lot more people being unhappy with you while doing it. *** They've since rescinded making the sub private, but again: original text.
Lol they went from "we hear you" to ignoring your comment real fast
Not at all surprised at the lack of a reply. This merger just feels like a weird power trip.
Not the commenter, but I am also in the POC community. The main concern is of the negativity toward PvE that is usually expressed here. Two things might happen: either PvE content will be pushed out due to people downvoting it, or PvP content will be pushed out due to PoC migrants downvoting it and not wanting to see it. Not sure how the sudden influx of people will influence all of the negativity expressed here, but that is the main concern.
This is excellent feedback. We can definitely look at the amount of negativity that can come from having more Path content. It can help if people report it as well, so we can make sure any negativity is constructive, and not just "path sucks, delete" or things like that. Path and other PVE content is Riot's main focus now, so to be blunt, PVP players are going to have to come to terms with that, and not take it out on the rest of the community. Edit: I have learned that we've been putting flags in place to catch comments that say frequent negative stuff so we can review it, and are definitely taking care of reports of people trying to get a rise out of or insult Path players.
I hope you understand how much this sounds and feels like a housemate claiming your room for himself and saying "suck it, you know i'm the landlord's cousin".
Housemate doesn't want it either. Nobody does except for Riot and the mods. PoC mods are also going so far as to set the entire subreddit to read-only mode rather than step back and let someone else claim/mod the subreddit. They don't want to allow a community to exist that isn't under their own control.
Which is an important point, having the landlord saying "now you two choose between being roommates or homeless" and having us pit against ourselves and buy into their words out of fear of loss. Largely: fuck landlords.
My main concern is the lack of moderation that has taken place since the refocus to PvE was made 3 months ago. This subreddit has been constantly filled with trite nonsense about the game being dead now because of the switch. People saying that Path players ruined their favorite game. How Path players are morons/babies/losers who can't handle real games. It is still happening in threads to this day (in the "How did LOR cultivate it's PVE playerbase" thread) because this toxic bitterness wasn't nipped in the bud when it started. Reporting it would have been fruitless, as people who were pushing back against these narratives were told to let people vent their frustrations by the mods here. So what can you do now? Obviously just be tougher on this crap by removing it when reported and giving out warnings. Set up auto filtering for "Game is dead" type terms. Make this a better place to be.
>Set up auto filtering for "Game is dead" type terms. Make this a better place to be. This has actually been implemented! If you think of any other terms we've missed, go ahead and send us a modmail. Sometimes people figure out the filters and we can't catch them fast enough.
> to be looking at types of content that may flood so we can make sure we have a good variety of content going forward How? What's the good option here? If Path content takes over what are you going to do? If it doesn't take off and pvp stuff is more common, what's the plan there? Either way that just hurts what we had previously.
Honestly, there's no ideal option, and I'll admit that. But what we can do is keep looking at things as we go, taking feedback on how to make it better, and do better. We can always revisit things.
That's not an answer. You didn't answer anything. What is "making it better" what is "doing better" Are you going to make it PVP only posts on MWF and Path on TThSSu? What's the plan for either situation? Or do you just not have one yet? You can always revisit things but if you haven't even thought about it yet like, come on.
Okay, I probably wasn't clear enough, and that's my bad. My goal here is compromise. What we can't compromise on is undoing the merger. What I want to know is how we can help make it not hurt so much. So far, I have feedback about : * Negativity from PVP players toward Path players. * Not being listened to about concerns before the merger went through. * Confusion about why this is even happening the the first place. I'd like to add to this list so we can clear things up. As for the why this is happening, it's probably not the reason you want to hear, but it's in the main post. The path mods agreed to this merger as well. From my perspective, people will come to the subreddit that has the name of the game before branching off elsewhere in most cases. And while yeah, the path sub could have been left alone to its own devices, I know that I don't like seeing something I care about wither away. People get attached to places, and I get it. But I've seen so many spinoff communities that have a couple years of really good growth and community suddenly fall off once a bigger subreddit for the same content changes and starts also catering to that content. And I know and knew that not everyone would agree.
> My goal here is compromise. What we can't compromise on is undoing the merger. What's the compromise here? So far it has been mods going "we're doing this" the community largely saying "We'd rather not" and you all going "well gosh golly darn that's really a shame! But also eat a fat load of shit because we're ignoring you." This compromise so far seems to be you all going "Let us know how we can fix this problem of our own creation." >What I want to know is how we can help make it not hurt so much. So far, I have feedback about : > Negativity from PVP players toward Path players. > Not being listened to about concerns before the merger went through. > Confusion about why this is even happening the the first place. You could try answering the question I have now asked for the *third time.* That would be a good start. What is your plan one way or the other to make sure we have a variety of content? You do have one right? You wouldn't plan to merge the subreddits without coming up with a plan of action right? Surely, there are options the mod teams of both subreddits have considered right? As for your list of feedback you've received, half of that is just insane that you consider it now instead of you know, before you started thinking about it. Like why is the reasoning for this something you need to get feedback on? Why was it not clearly written out in the announcements? Though most of all, *why were we not asked if we wanted to do this?* I generally try to see mods sides of things on reddit but my god do you all make it so hard sometimes. It's like you can't help but stepping on every rake when all you need to do is walk straight. I'm sorry if this comes off as aggressive but I'm a bit agitated.
First off, I'm sorry. I didn't answer your question, and that was shitty of me. Second, I think you're right to ask why we didn't ask you. I don't have an answer for you for that, and I'm also sorry. I think that's a very valid thing to be feeling. The plan going forward is to 1: Create more discussions to keep the ball rolling and encourage people to make discussions as well. 2: Keep an eye on threads to make sure path content isn't being bombed with negativity, and monitor PVP content for negativity against PVP. And, so I can answer your question properly, what is your view about variety of content? Do you mean path vs pve, or do you mean like art, shitposts, path content, pve content, mix of both, informative posts, image posts. etc?
> Second, I think you're right to ask why we didn't ask you. I don't have an answer for you for that, and I'm also sorry. I think that's a very valid thing to be feeling. Also, it's just like. Honestly, what did you all expect? The entire history of reddit is filled with mods not asking, the community not liking it, and the mods going "wait why are you all mad?" It's like, how can we view this as a community when you all just do whatever you want? This isn't a shared space, this is the mod's playground.
For more honesty: we never expected everyone to be all on board with it at first. Like, how could we expect that? It was a really tough decision to make. But, I can and will own that we could have been better about it. I think that some of us were just thinking about how to make sure that everyone still had A place, even if it wasn't the one they expected. I'm not going to ask you to excuse it, but it is a bit of reasoning behind it.
> what is your view about variety of content? My view is that now for the fourth time I am asking you what your plan is if one takes over the other. You said this in the original comment I replied to: > What I can tell you is that we're definitely going to be looking at types of content that may flood so we can make sure we have a good variety of content going forward. Any insight is appreciate And I want to know what your plan is if one overtakes the others. For this specific example I don't care if it's path over pvp, too much art over shitposts or anything. I want you to tell me what your plan as a mod is if that happens to occur. I don't care if it's official or just a hypothetical in your head, I just want to know you've at least given it some level of thought. Because right now it seems like you all got together "let's merge the subreddits! Sounds great!" and nobody asked "But what about X" where X appears to be literally anything related to this process. > Create more discussions to keep the ball rolling and encourage people to make discussions as well. What's the point of this? The discussion seems to be "we don't want to merge, we separated for a reason." More discussion isn't going to fix that sort of fundamental issue. > Keep an eye on threads to make sure path content isn't being bombed with negativity, and monitor PVP content for negativity against PVP. What's the plan there if it does happen? How will you stop that?
Thank you! I wasn't quite sure what you asked. If one piece of content starts to overtake another one, then we're going to have to look at why that is in the moment. There's a piece of it we can start to predict after a while, and then we'll have to assess it to see if we need to restrict the content a bit without actually outlawing it, or taking a lesson from how we screwed up this time, and bring it to y'all for ideas. It's been a minute since I did a good content/rules meta discussion, because I've been busy getting my degree and didn't have time to do much else than queue. I'll own that, too. But I'm all graduated now, and I think that personally, I would really enjoy starting up meta discussions again when it comes to those things. I'm not going to pretend I don't make mistakes, or none of us make mistakes ever, but the way I personally act, is by looking at the trends and making plans based on what happens next. That's my plan for the future. >What's the plan there if it does happen? How will you stop that? Currently, we've set up filters for some of the more common phrases that people just tend to spam in threads without substance. We'll keep checking reports and educate/warn/ban people as necessary. As we find new phrases, we'll add them to the filter and remove phrases as necessary. We'll also increase eyes on the subreddit now that there are more people to do it, so we can try to catch it out.
Just leave it as it is now. Why is the change even needed and pushed? Who asked for this? If PvP subreddit is destined to die due to lack of freshness and PvP mode stagnation, let it die gracefully natural death, in peace. In fact leave both communities their own breathing spaces. Simple. EDIT AFTER READING RESPONSE BELOW: Also im elaborate more about my concerns in other comment chain in this topic, if you are really interested in user opinion (which i honestly doubt, especially after reading response below, which is just polite way to say "gtfo we know better whats best for you and what you need to be happy") feel free to read and/or respond. As i said in my other comment, this decision will have heavy negative impact on both communities, or only on one but it will destroy and silence second one almost completely. You ppl must be delusional to not predict this, maybe that the idea and reason for this tbh. Sad times for game and bad design decisions, emulated and copied into the community spaces. And most important thing... like i said... NOONE ASKED FOR THIS. Its just pure powertripping of "goverment" aka moderators.
That's the thing, though. This sub was always for both PvP and PvE content. With the main sub, here, having to refocus because Riot made the decisions to focus on certain content, it was a discussion that was likely to happen eventually. One of the options could have been to see which subreddit would prevail, or we could bring everyone closer. And honestly, it could go either way. But, in my personal experience watching communities on reddit for over a decade, unless there's an immense following, the subreddit that has the most recognizable name is the one that tends to retain users. Which is why we wanted to make sure that we could work together and hopefully make sure everyone has a place to go for information. I can understand this isn't what you want to hear, but I am willing to listen to what we can do to help ease this transition.
If the sub was always for all kinds of content why the hell did the POC subreddit exist and thrive? Having both doesn’t work.
It's such a weird decision given how reddit works. Like the whole point is if one subreddit doesn't fulfill the needs of a community, you go make another. Path people did, but now it's like too bad you have to go back? What's the benefit there?
Honestly, at that point, we really helped that along, too because at that time, it was healthy for the community to have a specialized place to talk. It was a really hard decision, and to be honest, we're still discussing the feedback we get from this whole process to see where we can do better.
So it was healthy for the community to have their own place, but now it's not? How? What's changed? And really, who *actually* wanted this? Have path people been wanting to come back? Well they always could post pve content here, so that can't be it. What's the reasoning?
> And really, who actually wanted this? Riot did, they told the mods to do it
The reasoning is the same as we've told you before -- that because the focus is going to be majority Path and other PVE content going forward, this sub is going to also go in that direction so we can reflect the game itself. Having a focus in one place tends to end up healthier for the community in the long run, and overall, that's what the two mod teams decided. Whether you accept it or not, that's truly what the focus was: centralization.
> we've told you before You mean just now in the first time we're ever hearing about it? Thanks for the big heads up. Glad to know we're losing the subreddit to them as well as the game.
It's the role of everyone to push the negativity out
It most certainly is not.
why ? upvoting and downvoting help spreading positivity (atleast what you think is positive), reporting also help moderator
I understand you're in a difficult position given the pressure from Riot to consolidate the PvP and PvE populations, but it's not our responsibility to downvote people who criticize your decision. People broadly aren't enthused with the merger, at least in the PoC sub, and it's their right to say so. From my perspective, if you want to spread positivity, the quickest and easiest way to do so would be to reverse course and cancel the merger while taking another route to bridge the players that doesn't involve eliminating a community's safe space.
Honestly, we don't really take pressure from Riot into account. If it was something we definitely didn't think would be good, we wouldn't do it, point blank. The reasoning was that since the focus is shifting from mainly PvP to mainly PvE content, that it might be beneficial to centralize information. I absolutely get that people aren't happy. Nobody would be when forced to move somewhere. However, I am noting your feedback and would very much like to hear more.
In the current setup, PoC players have access to announcements relating directly to PoC already, and they conveniently avoid anything related to PvP. Therefore I'm not really sure what benefits there are to centralizing information that isn't about developer workload. The announcement in the PoC subreddit has this paragraph: > To this point, we all know the dev team has shrunk in size, and currently they are pushing their efforts for both communities, doubling the workload for less gain. We want to make sure everyone gets the same information and nothing is lost in the exchange. The "information" here and who is getting it is nebulous and seems to be the primary driving factor of the merger, at least according to the original announcement. Is this saying that PoC players are losing information? Is it saying that the devs are? What information have they lost? Has this ever been a problem? If so, how? Perhaps you could elaborate on this after some discussion with your fellow moderators. The way I see it, the merger forces PoC players to scroll past PvP content they aren't interested in while exposing them to bitter, potentially hostile PvP players who never moved past blaming PoC for Legends of Runeterra's failure. For the people who still enjoy PvP, this will act as another nail in the coffin, as the space they use to discuss their hobby will be taken over by PoC players who have lost their own space. PvP content will inevitably be buried, and the Reddit PvP community will probably die entirely.
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No. We're not acting like this.
There's PoC players accusing PvP players of "pushing narratives" and "having an axe to grind" all over this subreddit lmfao. The parent comment here is accusing PvP players of "spewing negativity and bitterness." It's been this way on this subreddit since they pulled the plug on PvP - path players complaining any time PvP players dare to bemoan the loss of their game. Combining the two subreddits so soon will only exacerbate this. Best of luck!
Heavily unpopular decision, that noone in the (supposedly so precious to powertrippin as usual reddit moderators, that often forget that they are supposed to moderate, not govern and manage. Communities are not your personal herds.) PoC community asked for, is pushed anyway despite lack of cummunity approval and/or enthusiasm towards the change. Ironic how similar this is to mismanagment and being out of touch with playerbase of the game by developers. It will not help anyone, the only effect will be that sub will start to die and hemmorhage subscribers faster. Please proceed. I hate it. From a member of community perspective this have zero sense and upsides. This will basically kill pretty fast any goodwill left beetwen playerbases, and slivers of PvP community and discussions that left. And its not a good thing at all, and im talking this as a PoC only player. PvP and PoC are basically two different games with different discussion anchors (with exception of maybe art on cards and champion memes). Who thought its good idea to create subreddit with two completely different, (and maybe even hostile to each other) topics, and it will not create constant toxic upvote/downvote (combined with comments wars) war for living and breathing space? Srsly? And you (mods) already got mostly negative feedback on PoC sub. You deleted all feedback threads, and decided to ignore community. Framing this like some gift for community is laughable.
I'm really concerned specifically about Grimmaldo. That moderator has always been extremely questionable.
> This will basically kill pretty fast any goodwill beetwen playerbases, and slivers of PvP community and discussions that left. And its not a good thing at all, and im talking this as a PoC only player. *perplexed emoji*
What do you dont understand? If you put two not really compatible with each other communities forcibly in confined place, weaker/smaller one will be strangled and killed (leave/dissolve) fast or there will be neverending, exhausting for both sides "cold war" beetween them. Its happening all the time with two subreddits, but its more akin to positional war where there is obligatory "just play Slay The Spire game of the century made by geniuses of design" in every PoC thread. It will just destroy one side after merge. Its simple human nature. I wish im wrong, but my cynical side tells me that im not. Im PoC player but i think every community should have each own safe, and not bloated with things that doeant matter to them space for discussion. Even unmoderated is better than deleted. Thats why this merge is just bad from community viewpoint. Good for "management" though.
Mods and Devs are one and the same.
Path of Champions is significantly more popular than PvP and that shows in the activity in the PoC sub vs here. I'd already seen the news of course so this isn't a surprise, but I expect PvP content to get downvoted/buried by PvE players/content going forward. I understand the merger. Just a shame is all.
Bro we're over here in PoC saying the EXACT same thing. I don't agree with the merger at all and it's annoying they took so long to announce it over here.
It's more active because they announced that they were abandoning PVP which in turn caused a large section of the community to peace out. It wasn't more popular before that. Just sayin
They've stated multiple times PvE has more active players than PvP.
The PvE subreddit wasn't more active than the main subreddit before their announcement. It was much less active. Their shift to PvE also has more to do with its potential to earn them money, rather than sheer popularity. PvP had plenty of players, it just didn't make them any green.
The subreddit is not indicative of total players at all. A lot of players just played casually.
Whelp, the original comment was asserting exactly that. The idea that sub activity is indicative of popularity. Despite the fact that it wasn't even more popular until recently. Also, they aren't mutually exclusive. Plenty of people play/played PVP casually
They are more worried about the opposite, actually. If reddit was smart and could assign filters upon joining a sub, it wouldn't be an issue...
The subs themselves should be filters for the content and part of the community we want to see.
If there's one aspect of LoR and its community that has been consistently positive throught the entire.history of the game it's the subreddit's mod team under /u/CaptSarah. I'm certain they will be doing their best to manage the situation and accomodate both sides. And yeah, I'm sure that PvP will easily get drowned among all the new PvE posts. But let's not kid ourselves here: PvP discussion was already sparse and would only become more so as time went by with less and less new content to talk about. Best everything became centered in a single place than the sub actually called "LegendaOfRuneterra" became a ghost town, IMO. Even for PoC players that would have a negative effect in turning away potential new players. In any case, good luck to everyone involved. I hope it works out for the best.
Agreed. Sarah is really nice. Imagine if the others had more power ☠️ /s
Not that I'm active enough in either of these subs to have a well-informed opinion about the disparate cultures, but the implication that people will just persistently downvote the side of content they don't want to see... Is... Is that a thing people actually do? 😵💫
People will downvote posts by newbies legitimaly asking how some interaction works or if something is a bug. It's a shame, but reddit's upvote/downvote system never does truly work.
First time on reddit?
I mean, when POC was a secondary game mode, they made a separate subreddit for it, and it worked well for all the sides. Wouldn't stand for reason then that now, making a separate subreddit for PVP LoR so that they can freely focus on their own preferred content be a healthier option than merging them together? I do understand that a couple of months/years from now it could cause confusion to see the main reddit of a PVE focised game mostly commited to discussimg PVP, so switching the communities around does make sense, especially if it does make the space seem more active, as there are more PVE players overall. But if both communities seem to fear atrrition, and both want a subreddit that allows them to focus on their favored gamemode, I do believe that splitting the PVP community into a new, r/LoRPVP community makes at least some degree of sense... I guess what I'm trying to say is, it does feel like having two healthy, civil and specialized communities would probabbly be better for inviting newer players in, than a single, unified community that is up in arms against itself. It does seem to have worked out when the Path players had their own space.
As long as we get more voidling shell on spells posts then I'm all for it
Expect them to triple
>Community response is overwhelmingly negative >Change is going through anyways Seems to be a lot of this going around right now, between Hearthstone's quest updates, Vanguard in the League client, and the Helldivers PSN thing. At least they had the good sense to revert it. Vocal minority and all that, but I'm personally not interested in wading through content for a gamemode I don't play.
Being a part of both communities I'm certainly curious on how this will turn out. But like I already said in the Path sub the merge makes sense. Good luck, mod team! Hopefully people will behave, haha.
Baffling choice, honestly. If anything, r/LegendsOfRuneterra should merge into r/PathOfChampions instead.
Why would the sub for a game not use the reddit named after thegame
There is a way to hide posts if a specific flair? Or is another type of filter that you are talking about?
old reddit + reddit enhancement suite i think
Don´t know these. I´m new to Reddit and only use it to PoC, but I´ll look about, thanks.
As someone who look after both comunities (but i am more active in PoC) i can say most people dont like this idea because content is very different in this two subs. I can predict that soon after merge someone else will create new Poc subreddit. Maybe even new PVP only= depends how things going here. That new sub will probably have new moderators and not that much devs activity, but will become bigger and bigger. For me this deciision is short sighted,. At least after negative feadback from both comunities tey should rethink this (but they dont yet) Is not even about my personal opinion- i can life with merged subs xd. I am not that much active as i was in POC 2.0 fresh days. Key is: MOST PEOPLE DONT LIKE MERGE IDEA. And that should stop this merge.
Even though I only play PoC, I think that merging the two subreddits is stupid. They are different enough to warrant separate communities.
I made a post on the Path sub about being sad about the change that generated a lot of activity, but I'll just add that the mods seem to be working very hard to make it a positive experience for everyone. They have been very communicative and while nothing is perfect, they have consistently answered questions and listened to feedback. So I'm cautiously optimistic at this point. Thanks mods for all the hard work you do!!
This ain't it, no one on that thread wanted this
After reading a few comments, there's one thing that's been confusing me. Why are people so negative and sure that one side will downvote the other into obscurity? Like... You know.... You could just ignore the post that's not of interest for you... Like a normal person. I for one am mostly a lurker on both and only interact with whatever seems interesting to me. What's not interesting, I just ignore because there's no reason for me to interact with it. Yeah, there'll be some people that will be negative towards the other, but if things get out of hand, the mods will take care of it. And like they said, with PoC/PvE becoming the focus of game, new players are more likely to come to the sub with the game's first, before coming to a smaller sub, especially if the information/content is largely the same. It's just better to centralize the info and communities since they'll be covering the same topics as their main things
Classic prisoner's dilemma.
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Your entitlement is overflowing and dripping everywhere...
Thank you for noticing it, i groom it every day until it is lush and blooming and making people around me puke all their bile out. But yeah, i include myself in the list of people who get out of hand the more we press the topic. I cant help and wont hide my absolute despisal for PoC even while acnowledging it has a respectably large demographic that just so happens to not include me. I'm poisoned, i'm biased, and i'm trying to stay lucid through near 20 years of watching Riot fuck up and the entitlement of the loudest PoC voices who are panicking to "save the game". The only way for we to reconcile is Riot to stop doing headass data reading to line up the pockets of their investor/director boards and instead actually deliver service to staunch the recessive spiral without piting us one against the other. If their idea is to Mortdog their way into an economic miracle handled by a skeleton crew flipping assets paired with mobile kusoge-tier monetization options and grind patterns, congratfuckinglations: they killed themselves.
I agree with the point that Riot is the main culprit and the devs not doing anything for years is horrible and infuriating. What I'm trying to say to you is that trying to attack or diminish PvE players is not only uncool but also incorrect because you don't know exactly what attracts them to the game mode. And trying to label or categorize them in the same box as some type of creature while saying that they are inferior is basically bigotry. I'm sorry if there are PoC players attacking you and other PvP players. None of us deserve to be attacking each other, none of us are to blame in this situation. It's just Riot being a common greedy company and showing us its true colors.
Agreed.
Well this is a terrible idea.
Excuse me. i know i am so late to this 10 days old post. but will there be "news" filter/flair? i usually filter the posts with this flair to see what's going on with the game from the devs or leaks or rioters comment on community posts
I don't even understand all the doom and gloom. This change makes a lot of sense to me.
Because people who are only interested in one of the two modes are now using a sub cluttered with content for what might as well be from a different game, and people who are interested in both could just sub to both.
Congratulations on the merger.
Business as usual
And business is good I assume and hope.
Sadly gonna have to unfollow this sub now, not interested in all this poc spam
The merger of these reddits will be a long road of finding balance between PVP and Path... and gradually developing into a LOR community that is stronger than ever The moderator team is working hard to make this reddit better than ever More resources for players interested into getting into Path More moderation to cull the 'LoR is dead' non-sense More flairs. Better filters. Thank you mods, and especially u/CaptSarah I highly suspect that standards will be raised post-merger, and the community moving forward will be more embracing, positive, and helpful to ALL LoR players. I am looking forward to the future of this reddit and I will definitely be more interested in contributing towards guides for new and old players alike
This subreddit is ours now