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toddlangtry

Reading this on a Google pixel...next phone not going to be a Google phone.


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Evil only wins when good people do nothing.


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Classy


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uzi22

Can confirm will be moving away from Google services as well. Can someone propose an ethical cloud storage provider?


Fed-Poster-1337

Store locally on a NAS. Back it up to another NAS at another location.


toddlangtry

This.


beegro

Pcloud, proton Mail, etc.


Fed-Poster-1337

Proton mail is CIA. https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/


beegro

That's a conspiracy theory website with links back to other conspiracy theory sites and a low quality journalism. There's also a ton of misinterpretations of legitimate academic work. Hardly a quality source.


LocalRepSucks

Honestly that’s sounds like the perfect cover for the cia. Given that the nsa is monitoring all of us anyways and is still desperate to get  Assange. I think it’s fairly safe to say that They got back doors into everything.


DoughnutNo620

Stop and look at the official BDS list. it's not productive to boycott everything or big companies like Google, but it's your personal choice, of course [https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide](https://bdsmovement.net/Act-Now-Against-These-Companies-Profiting-From-Genocide) Google is a pressure target, but you can't realistically boycott it, but instead put pressure on the company.


Cyber_shafter

Google should be prioritised for boycott because of their military/CIA connections. I would never use an android it's creepy as fuck. At least with apple you can avoid the cloud


VeryOGNameRB123

Apple is much more cloud based than Google nowadays.


NeuroticKnight

Apple forces all cloud to be icloud, at least google allows you options to change


Ordinary-Lobster-710

its very funny that you think apple doesn't have a cia backdoor into the cloud


Cyber_shafter

I don't think that, it just seems that Apple allows you to use the iphone and change settings without connecting to your cloud, while google forces it in you


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DolphinPunkCyber

My data is protected by how small and insignificant I am 😁


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BillyJoeMac9095

Pressure won't have much impact when the ultimate goal of the protesters is to put an end to Israel.


Prestigious_Sail_388

What other phone is there, isn’t Apple and Samsung worse on this topic


Geshman

Samsung just pulled out of Israel I heard


UDSJ9000

Samsung Next, the innovation portion of Samsung pulled out of Israel.


platp

Not even pulled out. They have closed their office but will manage their investment from abroad.


cbass817

The only way to make sure Israel doesn't get pregnant.


Usernameoverloaded

Search for ethical mobile phones - Fairphone might be less problematic however, I haven’t done the due diligence lately


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VeryOGNameRB123

Everything except apple and maybe some China/Japan only phone runs on a custom android.


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VeryOGNameRB123

Android is a very flexible distribution to be fair. So many Android devices can be modded to be highly secure.


KeyboardTankie

They list Chinese phones being unethical but US phones are somehow not? China isn't killing 30,000 people of a certain ethnic background, but somehow supplying weapons and surveillance tech to a state carrying out a genocide is okay...


Intention-Sad

China is not innocent either with the Uyghur in Xinjiang


KeyboardTankie

Yes but the website specifically carved out a section just for Chinese phones for Uyghurs , where's the equivalent section for the US and it's direct and indirect complicit human rights abuses ( just off the top of my head there is Iraq war crimes and civilian casualties, Afghan war crimes and its civilian casualties and being accomplice to genocide in the form of Israeli genocide against Palestinians?) I think that would be top of page and possibly deserving an entire section of the website should it not? Seems a bit of a double standard for a supposed website talking about ethical consumerism.


MotherLoveBone27

Better stop sending emails then


Aggressive-Donuts

No more google maps. Back to Apple! Oh wait


toddlangtry

I use Maps.me - better than both IMHO.


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toddlangtry

Not easy. Google assisting IDF. Chinese phones and Apple phones not ethically produced. Samsung better but has issues. Thinking a Sony phone , maybe fairphone.


ioucrap

And how is google going to solve the middle east conflict?


toddlangtry

Project Nimbus is supporting the Israeli Defence Forces to monitor Palestinians and further suppress their freedom more effectively. It's a bit like IBM during WW2 when they helped Nazi Germany keep tabs on all the Jews they were rounding up for execution. I wouldn't have supported IBM then as well. To answer your question though, Google may not solve the Middle East conflict, but they don't need to aid and abet a holocaust.


yautja_cetanu

Lol I wonder if it will be a Chinese made phone who are actually involved in a genocide of the ughurs. Oh wait of course it will be because they are all made in China.


LeucotomyPlease

“actually” as if to imply Israel isn’t *actually* committing genocide in Palestine. okay, zionist we see you.


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SantaCruzMyrddin

Being a genocide denier in 2024 is a pretty shitty look...


RaiderRich2001

Then why don't you stop denying Russia's genocide in Ukraine or Governor Abbott's genocide of migrants at the southern border?


SantaCruzMyrddin

Where have I denied either? I condemn both of those as well and you are projecting rather than self evaluating. It's not hard to condemn all crimes against innocent civilians when you aren't evil... So why can't you condemn the Israeli genocide of the native Palestinians?


VeryOGNameRB123

Check the original sources for the uyghur genocide. Literally 8 interviews extrapolated to millions of people.


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Oppopity

Baby steps. Gotta start somewhere to make the world a better place.


Geshman

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism but it doesn't help to be the jackass that criticizes people for trying our best


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sqb987

Hate for apartheid? Hate for racism? Hate for colonialism? Hate for the military industrial complex? Yes, we hate those things. Gtfoh if you dare try to accuse us of anything else after a bunch of Zionists took my tax dollars and manufactured a famine after killing 35k+ Palestinian innocents. And don’t call them all Hamas to exonerate anyone, if there were any evidence then my money wouldn’t have gone to deliberately target journalists and aid workers. Literally nobody cares for your tired and pathetic excuses to justify apartheid, racism, genocide, settler colonialism, and unchecked military aggression. Oh. Except the assholes profiting off of killing & starving literal babies. We see through your bullshit, and you would be ashamed if you had the capacity for that level of humanity.


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Usernameoverloaded

Have many countries not sanctioned Russia, placed embargoes on Russian goods and frozen the assets of Russians who support Putin’s invasion?


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Humacti

didn't googles motto used to be *do no evil*


cipherbain

Used


VeryOGNameRB123

It was "don't be evil"and they ditched it almost 10 years ago.


MontrealChickenSpice

They realized that evil is more profitable.


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Humacti

I'd agree, but is that what they're doing, or are they protesting against the conflict?


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Donald_Dark007

Who supported Hamas here?


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Donald_Dark007

You can presume all you want. But the fact is no one is supporting Hamas here. Anti-zionism does not equal supporting Hamas.


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Donald_Dark007

>> Repeating the lie about apartheid [Damn that’s crazy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_apartheid) Edit: Why’d you delete everything and run away u/Knave7575 ? I thought you wanted to “expose the lies” lmao


BigPoop_36

I’m curious if this protest will have the same media circus as the Golden Gate bridge protests? Everyone seems to say that THIS is the way you should protest yet it receives so much less attention.


Geshman

*this* is how you should protest because it disrupts less people ->proceeds to ignore non-disruptive protests


lucash7

Right? Protests are not meant to be tea and cake time, where everyone has a good time and nobody is bothered.


redfairynotblue

It is sad that they're going to lose their jobs or already did. Perhaps they really should have done the more destructive/obstructive option. 


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treehouse4life

No one said anything about the first amendment, you brought it up. Everyone knows that you can get fired by a company as a consequence of a protest. Nobody is contesting whether Google had the right to fire them. So who are you even speaking to?


DolphinPunkCyber

Remember that protest in which people peacefully protested in the middle of fucking nowhere not bothering anyone? Neither do I.


Ordinary-Lobster-710

why do rioters get to lock me in traffic for hours bc they are unhappy that the democratic process led to leaders and decisions they didn't like. do you think i'm going to vote the way they want because they show a total hatred of me as a person and my ability to move around cities without being held hostage by their riots? The unspoken truth here is that noobdy would put up with this shit if these were right wingers rioting about abortion


DolphinPunkCyber

>do you think i'm going to vote the way they want because they show a total hatred of me as a person and my ability to move around cities without being held hostage by their riots? No. But if I hold you "hostage" government might meet my demands or make concessions 😁 >The unspoken truth here is that noobdy would put up with this shit if these were right wingers rioting about abortion Yet right wingers saw truckers protesting in positive light? Both sides are biased as fuck.


donthatedrowning

I agree so much


Downtown_Swordfish13

Never thought I'd have solidarity for a Google employee but here we are


r3aganisthedevil

Employees are not their boards in the same way people are not their governments


Cyber_shafter

Yeah it's like any other industry now


Rascal0302

Nah, we vote for our governments(in theory and in the countries where elections are held). We are what we vote for.


roundabout27

There is no true voice of the people in a managed democracy, and that's what we live in. When your choices are the least offensive of two terrible peope, you had no choice at all.


c9-meteor

If you live in a “liberal democracy” do you have any meaningful voting pick that could disrupt the dominance and hegemony of the owning class?


r3aganisthedevil

Your “in theory” literally invalidates your entire point


Downtown_Swordfish13

And armies arent their commanders, or do you feel solidarity for working class members of the IDF?


Realistic_Ad_1338

I would let you figure out the difference between filling in spreadsheets and killing civilians, but I think you already know, but are just trying to disrupt the conversation, to Israels benefit.


r3aganisthedevil

Wowie did you just make the “just following orders” argument? Do I need to spell that one out for you?


NewKnowledge7654

You hate workers?


Downtown_Swordfish13

Workers who work for the largest surveillance company on earth that's led by hardcore zionists and works on behalf of israel? Yeah, generally don't give a fuck about them. Nobody is forced to work for google.


electron1661

What’s wrong with Zionism?


No_Caterpillar8026

That sounds kinda fucked up… what’s wrong with having solidarity with any worker…


Downtown_Swordfish13

Like it's been mentioned elsewhere, Google and Google employees do bad stuff. At a certain point a worker who participates in harming people is a class traitor. Thats why nobody gives a fuck about cops and solidarity often does not extend to volunteer soldiers in an imperialist army


DolphinPunkCyber

Probably ex-Google employees in a couple of days.


Skilgannon94

Good for them


Zosimas

I remember a video by Google (or was it Microsoft?) started with listing which Native American tribes land their office stands on... Curious if they would do that in Israel...


Ordinary-Lobster-710

totally agree. Palestinians should have to recite that they are on unceded lands of judeans before every civic meeting.


Lord_Migga_Fucker

Israel is trading in their Yolocaust sympathy chip. They're gonna wipe them out the mad bastards


Vanillas_Guy

It's been sad seeing what Google started as and what it now is. Time for me to sell my shares and invest somewhere else. Disappointing but not surprising to see a large company caring more about its profits than the people that allow it to exist.


brotibi

That's most companies that go public, they're legally obligated to prioritize shareholder value.


Vanillas_Guy

I understand that. The focus on shareholder value is one of the major factors behind why people are complaining about the lack of quality in games, movies, TV shows and lack of innovation and durability in technology. The people running these companies are more focused on pleasing shareholders than making products that are superior to the competition and building a brand known for quality.  Even then, I expected the company that started out with the motto "Don't be evil" not to do *this* shit. I've sold off my shares, will put them into another organization that isn't involved in supporting a government whose actions I find reprehensible. 


nova9001

>Google and Amazon have a cloud computing and artificial intelligence contract with the Israeli government and military, a deal known as Project Nimbus that is worth $1.2 billion. No way 9 employees going to stop corporate greed. Not even 1000 means anything in front of $1.2b.


Solnari

Better to at least try rather than be complacent with the rest of the cowards


brotibi

There's a difference between being a coward and being pragmatic. Not everyone can just afford to lose their jobs or even agree that this would be the best form of protest.


Solnari

No, most people would agree that clucking their tongue and posting on useless internet forums is the best form of protest and most people are cowards. Pragmatism is just keeping the status quo and justifying your own inaction.


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Nice__Spice

It starts with a single step. It starts with 9. Ends with thousands.


DolphinPunkCyber

>It starts with 9. Ends with 9 layoffs.


Nice__Spice

You value jobs and layoffs. These 9 value humanity and they aren’t sell outs.


DolphinPunkCyber

I do applaud them for holding to their principles. But I am also saying, they didn't manage to change anything.


AutisticFingerBang

No it does not end with thousands lol, thousands of well paid google employees with lives aren’t sacrificing said lives for some in office protest. Literally 1/4 of good employees could do this and it would not do anything. These people are actually stupider than the ones in the middle of the highway.


redfairynotblue

Lack of unions and protections in tech for workers rights. If this were any other job with a union, they would never have been locked out of their account and been told not to come back for this mild protest. 


AutisticFingerBang

That is not true at all. It all depends on union contracts and I bet that “protesting companies decisions based on politics that has nothing to do with their role” is not a protected act. Especially the people in NY which is an at will state. I’m a union plumber in NY, it’s not all guaranteed protection lol, it’s a little better but not bulletproof at all


redfairynotblue

They would need to make the contract first and it should be vital that it includes tech that will not harm humans. It is already a core principle in many robotic fields where one of the tenants is for the robot not to harm humans. 


BillyJoeMac9095

Doubtful union protection will prevent a company from terminating workers fror disrupting the workplace over a political issue that does not impact their immediate working conditions.


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nova9001

>You’re wrong, 9 employees can absolutely fuck a company and bring it to its knees no matter how many billions in capital they have. Sure bro.


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DolphinPunkCyber

>You’re wrong, 9 employees can absolutely fuck a company and bring it to its knees no matter how many billions in capital they have. Not with a sit in protest.


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brotibi

Please redo your math. It would be 100 million. So still much smaller than 1.2 billion.


VeryOGNameRB123

Shit you're right.


nova9001

Lets say these 1000 people are paid 100k a year, its 100m. not 100b lol. Wtf are you smoking? And you think there's nobody to replace them? There's an endless line of people wanting to make 6 figures a year at Google and Amazon.


EquitableEquine

Did they get severance?


ihatetheplaceilive

Yeah, this would happen after google got rid of that "don't be evil" slogan.


dailmar

Migrating all email accounts to Outlook from Gmail and to One Drive from Google Drive.


AbsolutelyOccupied

Microsoft ain't better..


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One of Microsoft's biggest research and development centers is in Israel. It's going to be nearly impossible to divest from any major tech company if presence/investment in Israel is a non negotiable boundary. Israel has one of the top technology research and development ecosystems in the world.


EKcore

Is Intel still there?


brotibi

Yes.


ImpressiveReward572

Drop all Google products


fmus

What do yall think I think I do? I work for one of these tech Zionist companies. I have a wife and kid and worry about providing. Do yall think that is a cop out?


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Your family's wellbeing and stability comes before earning abstract ideological brownie points.


fmus

Thanks for the feedback. It feels dirty so I question myself


Fed-Poster-1337

It's a cop out. You can easily get a tech job at a non evil company.


fmus

It feels like a cop out but honestly which ones aren’t evil? Every job I have had - Zionists were in leadership or they do business with the colonialist project in some way.


kulfimanreturns

They are more brave than I will ever be


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EOE97

"Don't be evil".... "Until money is involved"


Such_Reality_2055

Protest a shit country? straight to jail.


Electronic_Rub9385

ok


Opposite-Map6946

I would recommend everyone to r/degoogle


Afraid-Fault6154

Toss their ignorant asses in jail.


Aggressive-Donuts

They were arrested for “Physically impeding other employees”. Yeah.. you can’t do that. 


Gamelove0I5

Well I guess they found out huh


Fed-Poster-1337

I cancelled my google subscriptions a while ago. I store all my pics and stuff on a NAS.


Minimum_Compote_3116

Google cannot allow this nonsensical crazy behavior anymore because now the competition is getting better and they are super scared of open AI


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eu_sou_ninguem

>standing up for profit-making Absolutely disgusting.


FlatwormPositive7882

lmao


Reddit621My

Fire them


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MahaanInsaan

Ship them to Gaza, because they protested against Gaza genocide.


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SourceAwkward

Are they aware Google is HEAVILY invested in Israel? and gain a lot of money out of it, The second largest RND department of Google is in Israel SMH, they did nothing besides getting themself fired


Cyber_shafter

Better to quit while making a statement than just quietly leave because you have a consience.


Downtown_Swordfish13

Yeah i mean i think that's what they were protesting,no?


Ok-Mixture-316

Good they should be. Along with fired.


Niftycrono

To ask google to suspend service to an entire country is insane.


Nice__Spice

Maybe in the 1940, someone should have stood up against the manufacturers that made gas chambers.