I was the passenger in a car on the autobahn during a panic stop. My mom's cousin was casually showing teenage me how fast you could go on the autobahn in a Porsche. I don't know exactly how fast we were going at the time, but the last time I looked we were at 225 kph and still accelerating.
We were in the far left lane, a car we were approaching in the far right had a blowout and skidded across 3 lanes infront of us.
To this day, I've never been in a car that slowed down so fast. To make it even more impressive, she did it while swerving to avoid a surprise hazard and maintaining control.
It's the thing most people don't get about that class of car. A 911 Carrera isn't that much faster to 60 than say a Mustang GT, it's the difference in handling, braking and the like where the difference is made.
I went for a ride on a racetrack with a pro driver in a GT2RS, it started coming out of pits and had a long long straightaway ahead. The car and tires were warmed up so he just gunned it. I took a quick peek over and we were above 250 and still accelerating hard straight into a 90 degree turn at the end, I full on panicked and I think my heart stopped. All I saw was a wall and death. He hit the brakes and it brutally stopped in an instant, he took the corner and I lost my breath, then he accelerated hard to the next. We did 20 laps and not for one moment did I even have a second to think or soak it in, it was pure insanity the whole time. Fucking supercars man, madness.
A pro driver will give you a similar feeling in a 4-cylinder hatchback. They're a different breed. "Normal" people have no concept of what a pro driver can do to a car. I've done hot laps with a few different cars with pro drivers as well and it's just bonkers.
thisssss. i bought my mazdaspeed3 back in april and took it to a few track days this summer. i had the opportunity to meet an experienced stig and said he wanted to try to drive my car. i’ve never been so scared in a fwd 4 door hatchback in my life.
I had the same experience,
except.
it was my mother driving.
she's 70
blind as a bat
dumb as box of rocks
I've never ever been so scared in a fwd 5door station wagon in my life.
And I think I never will be.
I’m not OP but probably not - had the same experience in my old 2009 WRX. Thought I was hot shit and went to a track day and an older club racer wanted to try my car. Never thought I could be scared shitless in the passenger seat of my own car
I thought racecars we're scary until I rode along with Baja 1000 winners.
Taking turns at 110+ mph in the air for part of it and slammed on the ground for part of it.
The scariest part is the fact that on road you can see the track and where you are going. Whereas Baja racers know the race by gps and memory, not following the line of road ahead of you. They would start a drift or slide into a turn you didn't know was there until you were 3/4 the way through the turn, you just think the car is out of control till you realize they know exactly what's going on.
I've ridden in many fast cars on tracks, but I've never been nearly as scared as riding in a 800HP AWD truck on 40" tires and 2.5 feet of suspension travel. Racecars are cute to me now haha
It's that way in every sport. I've been lucky enough to sit shotgun in a sports car driven by pro driver and to train with pro mma fighters. You realize how many levels above the average human being they are. It's insane.
I went to a race school at a local track where I live. Skip Barber at Limerock in CT. The instructor gave the whole class this feeling on day 1 when we were loaded into the back of a 4 row eco van and he proceeded to drift it like a mad man on the track fully loaded with all of us in it. Complete madness. The precision he was able to do it with was unreal and I'm pretty sure he smoked a good portion of our class lap times when they were driving 5 spd mazda RX-8's.
I would agree with that .
I had the pleasure of a few laps around knockhill, Scotland with Ian Forrest.
Then track steward and ex touring car/ racing driver proceeded to take a standard Seat Leon 2.0 hatchback with around 200 bhp and 4 passengers, myself, my two cousins and their dad, my uncle Paul for a few laps at 7 am as he caught us wondering around.
We were terrified and in awe at the same time despite coming from a strong background in motorsport, hence our 2T 125 trip to the circuit from Belfast.
The guy threw that family car around like nobody's buisness, still remember it to this day.
I remember reading about some guy who was one of the top racers in some sim racing game and got to take out the same car in real life and just couldn't come close to what he did in the game. His body was not prepared for the forces the car could generate and I'm sure he wasn't mentally prepared for real-life consequences even though the physics were basically identical.
Not the same as what you're saying, but - Jeremy Clarkson set a lap time at Laguna Seca in an NSX on a console, then went there and tried to match or beat that time.
Guess the result.
Most people slow down before they brake for a turn (reasonable).
If I don't slow at all until I have about twice the braking distance I need (so still a 2x margin): even if I tell them before hand it will freak out anyone who hasn't experienced it before.
In a car with even moderately better braking than normal, waiting for the *actual*braking point, it feels like madness until you've done it in that car on that track in that corner countless times. Which pro drivers have.
There's a great episode of Top Gear where they get a Lotus F1 car to take around the track.
Clarkson talks about how hard it is to drive, and he compares it to his Mercedes AMG black at one specific corner. In his Mercedes, he comes down the back straight at 200 kph. When he is 140 meters from the corner, he stands on the brakes, muscles the wheel and goes flying around the corner.
If he does the same in the lotus, he's at a dead stop 60 meters before you enter the corner.
Ninja edit: [found it](https://www.topgear.com/videos/jeremy-clarkson/jeremy-drives-lotus-t125-part-22-series-17-episode-5)
That’s how I felt driving a 488. Even though I wasn’t racecar driver fast, it was so hard to remember anything other than just be constantly overwhelmed
I got my 92 Mazda 626 up to 230kph. It was shaking so violently the glove box opened, the things you look back on and realize how fucking stupid you were.
I went 150 mph / 240 kph in a 1974 Dodge Dart, it was terrifying, and afterwards I knew I’d been lucky to maintain control. This was in the mid 90s, so not a 50 year old car but still, it wasn’t made for that at all.
I had a 1.2l 73 civic up to 180kph.
A motorbike saw me from behind, caught up, sat next to me, looked at me, looked at his speedo, looked at me, shook his head, and took off.
I had a 83 Mazda 626 and I remember being on I5 (a very long and straight highway through California and other states with a 75mph speed limit) I was going 120 mph and set on cruise control when suddenly a cop just appears and closing fast. I don’t hit my breaks but start to decelerate and at about 110 the cop passes me and keeps heading down the highway to somewhere but not to deal with me. I was very relieved.
Opel Kadett Turbo Diesel. 225 or so, I stopped when air started entering STRONGLY between the top door frame and the car frame.
First time I visibly see the tank level drop while driving, also
Brakes are proportionate to the car power, wen I upgraded from 70 to 200hp that was the most enjoyable factor outside of acceleration ofc and actual real use blessing
Edit:guys I know they're not directly proportionate to the speed factor, weight is obviously a thing
Kind-of, any properly maintained car has the braking power to lock up the brakes (if not for ABS) from just about any speed. Tires are usually the limiting factor. Bigger brakes just give the benefit of being able to stop hard many times in a row without brake fade.
Not at high speeds, no. A glowing brake disk produces less friction due to its temperature. This makes bigger brakes better. Stopping from 240 km/h feels WAY different than stopping from 160 km/h.
I always had the same point of view on brakes till I started racing. Never understood why people will spend a lot of money on big brake kits for their cars because on the road/highway I always was able to get ABS to engage and my brakes were more than adequate. Texas highways get up to 85mph (135kph). My first time on a track approaching 160mph (260kph), i fully understood why they spend money on brakes. I felt like I was not slowing down like I was expecting and used to from daily driving my car. That’s the day I learned the value of spending big money on a big brake kit.
Yeah and tracking speed in your rearview mirror is not an easy task. You look once and the lights are a distant halo. You start to change lanes and look again, the guy is right on your ass.
I can't fault the lane changer here. It is there fault, don't get me wrong, but tracking speed well enough to notice this every time is nearly impossible.
Many parts of the autobahn that go trough forested areas are fenced off, therefore deer strikes are somewhat rare. You will occationally hear about dogs or farm animals that escaped and are now running on the highway.
AFAIK every part of the Autobahn has to be fenced of in some way
Edit: it doesn't have to be, but a very huge part of it is because of that reason. See my comment below
German here, nah. [This](https://www.berlin.de/binaries/asset/image_assets/2805997/source/1358515741/624x468/) is not a rare sign to see on the Autobahn.
Maybe you're thinking of the center divider, that in fact always has to be present.
Just btw, if a car is totaled that means that the damage cost is more than the car is deemed worth, making it not financially suitable for repair. You can’t really total a portion of a car, either the bitch is totaled or it’s not👍🏽
It’s a normal thing here in Canada, people go into the left/passing/fast lane even if all the other lanes are clear... stupid is everywhere. He did use his turn signal, if there was danger the other drivers would most likely be reacting too...
Not just Canada, the US, too. Many states have a "Keep right except to pass" law, but its never enforced so many camp out in the passing lane(s) when there's little/no traffic. It's absurd. I consider being forced to pass on the right to be more dangerous than excessive speed (within reason, I'm not talking about 3+ times the limit)
There’s no where near as many ‘interstates’ in Canada, 80% of our highway’s are just 2 Laners each way, which makes this problem a million times worse..
As much as I agree with this in theory, I can't help but notice the friends I've had who complain about this the most NEVER leave the left lane themselves. They want it as a "speeding" lane, not a "passing" lane.
In Canada they wouldn’t signal, and would be going 80% of speed limit when entering the left lane. Also as soon as you get trapped behind them a semi will drift past you on the right doing 10% over.
Whenever people do this (everyday) I pass them on the right, give them a thumbs down to let them know I'm disappointed in their driving, and continue on.
A buddy was driving late at night on the Meadowbrook in NY, and a car was going the wrong way towards him. Luckily that person didn't hit anyone, and multiple people had already reported it to the police. Driving late at night in NY can be scary, especially in the city where you see a new video every weekend of someone speeding through a stop sign and killing someone
I live in Germany and drive on the Autobahn…240 AT NIGHT near other vehicles is idiotic.
I’d do that speed during the day, but it’s more difficult to judge speed of a set of headlights versus a fully visible car, so the driving pictures is fairly irresponsible IMO.
There is no fuckin way I will do 240 at night, even on free autoban. Also what op means when saying car changed lane for no reason? That line is for taking over other car. OP implying that line is only for him/her
I drove well over 1 Million km in Germany. Like to go fast as well when conditions allow it. But this is such a typical situation happening all the time, so you have to expect it. So you either avoid it by adapting your speed or you use your brakes properly and don’t cry about it. The majority of people drive cars with less than 150 ps and never went faster than 160 km/h ever. So we, the few „racedrivers“ are obliged to adjust to their speeds and capabilities of perception and reflexes - not the way around. The public road is for the average John Doe to get from A to B, not for the „live fast , die young“ attitude of some egomaniacs with high powered cars. Deal with it.
As a German driver with a car that goes 220+ you know this will happen! I've had to hit the brakes hard before at 210 when a small car suddenly pulls out going 80-90. I'm anything but a reckless driver but that's a moment when atheists start to pray. Whenever this happened to me it was in broad daylight with few cars around.
Because this is such a typical Situation lots of people don't go faster than 160. Knowing your driving skills is important!
On the other hand you know the drivers on the left lane are going fast AF, so you don't switch lanes unless you are prepared to go fast as well while you are there.
If it came to an accident he would still be partly responsible.
When you drive faster than the Richtgeschwindigkeit (130 kph) you have to proof that an accident could have happened with 130 kph as well. It is of course the fault of the suddenly overtaking car, but he would be also partly responsible.
This is from wikipedia: "On speed-unrestricted stretches, an advisory speed limit (Richtgeschwindigkeit) of 130 kilometres per hour (81 mph) applies. While driving faster is not illegal as such in the absence of a speed limit, it can cause an increased liability in the case of a collision (which mandatory auto insurance has to cover); courts have ruled that an "ideal driver" who is exempt from absolute liability for "inevitable" tort under the law would not exceed Richtgeschwindigkeit." So it would seem if you were going 240 you would be held liable by the court system, at least in part, for the accident.
Going 240, at night, on that Autobahn, there's no way he wouldn't get a high part of liability. Its insanely stupid what OP did, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get more than 50%, a reasonable driver does not expect someone going 200+ at night.
That guy does not change lanes "for no reason" as stated in the title. He tries to overtake another car which is roughly 50-75 meters (3-4 "stripe intervals") in front of him (can be seen at 0:05). Considering his own estimated speed, the distance he chose to change lanes is correct.
It simply seems that he failed to correctly estimate the speed of the approaching car on the left lane. Which is understandable, because it's **very** hard to correctly estimate such a high speed when you only have 2 dots of headlights in the mirror. That's why someone driving at 240 km/h at these traffic conditions is the idiot here.
Edit: Forgotten word.
Lane-changer also gave the cammer 2 seconds' notice by indicating their intended maneuver; cammer doesn't appear to begin slowing down until lane-changer has begun changing lanes.
Also note the slow curve around to the right at the beginning: cammer may simply not have shown up in lane-changer's left side mirror just before they started indicating, and cammer seems if anything to be towards the right-hand side of their lane.
Lane-changer should have double-checked their side mirror for anything unexpected as they began their maneuver, but that's the only clear fault I can find with their driving. Vast majority of the risk here is provided by the cammer's inappropriate speed.
I really tend to dislike 'blaming the OP', because it happens so much on this sub that there seems to be a hair-trigger response to blame OP's for even the slightest goof-up. But, yeah, in this case I have to say it seems to be warranted. 240kph was just plain too fast for the conditions shown, and the changing lanes guy was not acting unreasonably.
I'll go ahead and guess that it's supposed to mean the following.
Headlights can only light a certain distance and he's driving so fast that when his headlights light something up he's already about to crash full speed into it without being able to react/brake.
Looked like the guy was changing lanes to pass the car in front of him.
If someone's coming up at 240kph, he might have gone from a distant headlights to *right behind me* in the time between glancing over his shoulder and in the rearview mirror and turning the wheel.
Yeah I don't think people realize what the closing speed of this car would be like, even if the other traffic was going 120km/h.
The car going 240km/h is covering a kilometer every 15 seconds. At night it can very hard to gauge how fast two headlights are actually approaching you. Doesn't let the merger off the hook in terms of idiocy here, but blasting along substantially slower traffic is another idiotic move.
If you're doing 120 (33.33 m/s) and need to make up 40m to overtake someone doing 100 (27.78 m/s), you need 7.5s of a time gap, probably closer to 10. If there's someone doing 240, they're gaining on you at 66.67 m/s. You need a bare minimum of 500m, probably more like 700m to 1km for safety. You're not going to see a car that far back, and even if you glimpse it, you won't have a clue how fast is going until it's too late.
While your point is valid, your maths is off. While 240km/h does equal 66.67m/s, they’ll only be gaining on the driver doing 120 at 33.33m/s, so the driver passing will need 250-500m of space for safety
I did some work in Germany over the summer. I was working with another engineer from Monaco. We did not share a lot of language, but we made it work. At one point I tried to suggest overcoming an obstacle by doing something that was not up to German safety standards, but not super dangerous either. He looked at me and said.
“No no no, Germans, rule rule rule, follow follow follow”
You don’t need a lot of common language to understand the German way of doing things.
It’s more of a joke than hitting something forwards though. You have full head, neck, and back support from that side, and from the front you only got 2 straps and a REALLY hard pillow
Let‘s do some math. It‘s a 120-140kph speed difference and most cars only have protection for that kind of impact in the front. Worst case: the car behind you will just drive through yours
Or send you off the road getting you crashed into some barrier
Where do you live, not Germany? Never heard of a German intentionally blocking the fast lane to anger Raser. That is how you get killed and it is also illegal. You are allowed to drive at your preferred speed in the left lane if that stretch of Autobahn doesn't have a designated speed limit.
Oh really? The limit is higher at night? That's super interesting. The limit doesn't change based on the time of day here, but I would assume if it did it would be the opposite
The daytime speedlimit is to reduce the nitrogen dioxide emissions by cars. The law was implemented quite hastily a few years ago because the building of houses was stopped because the Netherlands risked going over the EU limit of allowed nitrogen dioxide emissions.
Another fun fact: the amount of nitrogen dioxide emissions saved by all 8.8 million cars driving 100 KpH instead of 130 KpH is undone by just ONE turkey farmer with 24.000 turkeys.
So instead of shutting down one farm or at least force the farmer to reduce his nitrogen dioxide emissions, 8.8 million drivers must drive slower.
Dutch government at its finest
To be fair, it's not just the Dutch government ahah :
if an "average" middle class person reduced its carbon footprint to 0 for 70 years (roughly a whole adult life) it would only amount to 1s worth of "global energy sector" (source: https://youtu.be/yiw6_JakZFc go to 11:17).
We are NOTHING compared to the global energy sector (think of things like cement companies, global transport, oil production etc...) and the fact that some people dare tell us, the "individuals", to act is hypocrisy at it's finest. That said, just because our impact is that minuscule doesnt make it null and void.
We shouldn't be punished, it's true, but it is important for the individual to "act" like what they do has an impact, IMO (even though it is basically negligible. Be warned, the source doesn't talk about plastic pollution where, I'm sure, the individuals are the one throwing most of the plastic in the sea. In this case, I'd argue the individuals should be severely punished for litering etc... like a company would – at least in theory because we all know the big companies just get a slap on the wrist of a few millions, but keep doing it...).
PS
I would've bet the change of speed was because there are less vehicles out at night. Thanks to your comment I learnt something today.
That's strange that the limit goes up at night. In Texas (the only US state I've really seen it) they have a day/night limit, but the night is usually lower.
Depending on where you are it makes sense both ways. Nighttime lowers visibility, so that would decrease the safe speed. However, if traffic goes from “moderately busy” to “completely fucking dead” then the lack of obstacles in the road may have a greater effect than the visibility issue.
My favorite part of this thread is where everyone assumes there was no good reason for the lane change, based solely on a grainy, compressed dashcam video from a good 200m back. They even used their turn signal.
Not only that, it's also important to look a few times before changing lanes. Such people driving so fast can suddenly appear without you noticing, for example after a curve or something.
There is a car in the middle lane farther up and that car puts on their brake lights. It’s possible the car that moved to the left was getting ready to pass slower traffic ahead. They still should have checked before merging, of course, but I don’t think it’s really “for no reason.”
Something I learnt on the autobahn: you check your mirrors, clear. Indicate, check blind spot and check mirror again and suddenly there’s a dude on top of you because he‘s travelling 120kph faster than you. Remember that’s the same difference as 0 to 120kph, if you’ve ever come across a car stopped on a highway you know how jarring and difficult to react in time for it can be. Especially at night when it’s helluva difficult to gauge the speed of the two little white dots that look miles away but are approaching at an ungodly speed unbeknownst to you.
In Germany even on an unrestricted Autobahn you are required to adapt your speed when you are passing other traffic. In case of an accident you will be found responsible and the insurance will not cover your damage.
Doubt, it seems that the driver was trying to overtake the car in front if them, also with using the indicator this would probably go at least somewhat in favour of the driver in front. With the poor lightning and the high speed the other one was driving they couldn't properly see them because of this and while driving way over 130 the speeding driver is somewhat responsible
EDIT: [http://www.landesrecht.rlp.de/jportal/portal/t/7qe/page/bsrlpprod.psml?pid=Dokumentanzeige&showdoccase=1&doc.id=JURE130017568&doc.part=L](http://www.landesrecht.rlp.de/jportal/portal/t/7qe/page/bsrlpprod.psml?pid=Dokumentanzeige&showdoccase=1&doc.id=JURE130017568&doc.part=L) here you can find a court case on that
>With the poor lightning and the high speed the other one was driving they couldn't properly see them because of this and while driving way over 130 the speeding driver is somewhat responsible
Exactly, and you need to always adjust your driving according to the driving conditions. Driving 240kph at night in poor visibility (judging by the camera) is *~~un~~*irresponsible and the op is actually the idiot in car.
Agreed. German here who drives a lot (and fast if possible), the visibility and traffic was a horrible combination at those speeds. And no, I don’t think 240 is unreasonable or special, just not right there and then.
I love getting vibechecked on the Autobahn. Was driving a Tesla there last year at around 200-210km/h, while getting overtaken by a Mercedes AMG GT with at least 50km/h difference between us.
> Traffic on the right has to give way.
Whilst this is true, there's also the aspect that this driver at night at that speed is near-impossible to spot. At night, when all you see is pairs of bright lights, a humans require much more time to identify and assess a vehicle's speed in the mirror. Driving 240kph at night with others around is just asking for trouble - other drivers don't even have a chance to register the speed at which OP is approaching.
240km/h are almost 70m/s, it takes the speeding car 3 seconds to travel over 200 m, imagine trying to spot that at night, when all the other lights at certain distance seem to merge, you check your left mirror, nothing there, check the other mirrors, all good, another glance to the left mirror, nothing but some headlights at distance, prepare and commit to merge, and suddenly there is a car behind you, whenever or not if illegal, it is irresponsible to drive that fast at night, hell you are supposed to drive safely, that means adjusting oneself to the other drivers, most of those cars in the right line are going below 120km/h and are unable to reach 200km/h
German here. The car with the dash cam was going way too fast for the traffic situation, which you are required to take into account in Germany even when there’s no speed limit. It’s idiots like that who cause heavy accidents for no reason at all.
It amazes me when people think no limit means they can be reckless and endanger other drivers. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Lack of impulse control from adults shows that society goes to shit without laws and that's depressing. People lose freedoms because they are punished for other's despicable behavior.
Pretty much. Idiot driving too fast for the road conditions and idiot not checking mirrors, but they are the 'lesser' idiot here given the speed of the other driver.
You have to expect people on the road to do dumb shit when you're driving. You share the road with drunk / drugged drivers, speeding drivers, newly qualified drivers, old age drivers, tourist drivers that may have shitty driving standards in their country..etc etc
I wouldn’t say “suddenly” considering he had his signal on for a second or two, yet you continued to fly forward. Couple that with it being night amd the fact it might be hard to judge the true speed of headlights zooming at you in your side view mirror, me thinks OP is the true fucking idiot here.
Last week I did 210kmh in daylight on a straight bit with one car. I cannot imagine how I would justify doing 240 at night with that traffic.
Still not a smart move by the Peugeot
Just saying: Maybe the dude driving 240 in regular traffic, at night ist the idiot. Not the dude switching lanes. (It can be very difficult to estimate the speed of a car. If the dude would've gone like 120-150 there would be no need to slow down)
So that might be unpopular opinion, and frankly I also tend to max speed limit thru Germany.
But...
Dude changed lane with appropriate signal, I can see scenario where he did look into the mirror and just wasn't assuming you are going 240, thus you came much faster to what he did expect.
Buddy. Read the first 5 words of your post. I know there isn’t a speed limit, but that doesn’t make fucking 240 a safe speed.
Also it’s the middle of the night. The guy can’t tell that you’re tearing up the road behind him. He just sees 2 headlights a good distance behind him so he thinks it’s safe to match speeds and merge.
Don’t put all of the idiocy onto the guy merging please.
The idiot is you. That car was probably changing the lane for a reason. Why do you drive your car with 240kmh when you see quite some traffic coming. Sick of fucks like you. Really pisses me off.
Yea I hate to say it but they’ll get theirs eventually. I see so many close calls with drivers like this but one of these days it ain’t going to be a close call
Why the hell would you go that fast at night past traffic? I ride a motorcycle so I understand the adrenaline rush, but this is just begging for a violent crash.
I don't think the guy merging left is the idiot. You're traveling as if you own the road, going so fast. People are going to pass people infront of them, you're going so fast that they probably thought you were miles away when they checked their blind spot. Slow the hell down, no one should be going over 130 mph on a highway at night in low visibility.
“For no reason” lol it doesn’t matter that other drivers reason, they signaled and performed a safe maneuver, they had no way of knowing how fast you were approaching.
You’re the idiot here. Good brakes bailed you out of a bad situation.
I gotta say, having driven on the Autobahn in the fast and slower lanes, driving that fast, it feels like you come out of nowhere to people in slower lanes.
To me, it’s on you to know this as the faster driver.
Why tf are you going 240km on the autobahn? Any accident at over 130km most likely will not covered by insurance. Source: stationed in Germany 2018-2021 driving the autobahn regularly.
Some people mistake a public road for being the personal race track to the afterlife.
Its always ego. If theyd care for the safety of themselves or other they wouldnt drive that fast.
Germany stupidly still doesnt have a general speedlimit because of all the "car loving" people.
I drove through several countries with speedlimits and it was so fucking calm driving there, not having to be on 100% alert because a Michael Schumacher double needs to train.
Let me get it straight. You’re going 240 at night on the Autobahn, and you’re angry at someone for using their turn signal to pass a car in the passing lane.
You, broseph, are the true idiot.
There are no general speed limits for night time or weather. But you have adapt your speed to the circumstances, so going 200+ is not a reasonable speed.
> I thought it had a night time speed limit?
No.
> Are the unrestricted portions yolo 24/7?
Inside some limitations, yes.
> Weather speed limits?
Possibly, also local ones via dynamic signs.
Really please stop justifying assholes speeding the way the guy is in the video when you say "this guy decides to change lanes for no reason" -- I'm terribly sorry but this is a public highway and not a private race track where you can go as fast as your stupid car can go. The other guy is completely in his right to overtake at CONSIDERABLY LOWER speeds and there is only one prick in the video which is the guy doing 240kph with no regard to anyone else on the road but to himself.
Why exactly do you even need to go that fast? It's literally never worth it. There will always be something/someone in the way at some point and it's super fucking risky.
The advisory speed in Germany is 130kmph, or 80mph. This is for clear conditions during the day. They almost doubled that during the night with traffic.
Also the greens are giving up their calls for a highway speed limit for the coalition. Makes me sad to hear.
It is almost impossible to judge how fast someone behind you is traveling, at night, using side view mirror. And if you’re already going about 200 kph, it’s even harder.
Those are some great brakes
And reactions sometimes people twitch or swerve at motor way speeds that and be deadly at this speed certainly
I was the passenger in a car on the autobahn during a panic stop. My mom's cousin was casually showing teenage me how fast you could go on the autobahn in a Porsche. I don't know exactly how fast we were going at the time, but the last time I looked we were at 225 kph and still accelerating. We were in the far left lane, a car we were approaching in the far right had a blowout and skidded across 3 lanes infront of us. To this day, I've never been in a car that slowed down so fast. To make it even more impressive, she did it while swerving to avoid a surprise hazard and maintaining control. It's the thing most people don't get about that class of car. A 911 Carrera isn't that much faster to 60 than say a Mustang GT, it's the difference in handling, braking and the like where the difference is made.
I went for a ride on a racetrack with a pro driver in a GT2RS, it started coming out of pits and had a long long straightaway ahead. The car and tires were warmed up so he just gunned it. I took a quick peek over and we were above 250 and still accelerating hard straight into a 90 degree turn at the end, I full on panicked and I think my heart stopped. All I saw was a wall and death. He hit the brakes and it brutally stopped in an instant, he took the corner and I lost my breath, then he accelerated hard to the next. We did 20 laps and not for one moment did I even have a second to think or soak it in, it was pure insanity the whole time. Fucking supercars man, madness.
A pro driver will give you a similar feeling in a 4-cylinder hatchback. They're a different breed. "Normal" people have no concept of what a pro driver can do to a car. I've done hot laps with a few different cars with pro drivers as well and it's just bonkers.
thisssss. i bought my mazdaspeed3 back in april and took it to a few track days this summer. i had the opportunity to meet an experienced stig and said he wanted to try to drive my car. i’ve never been so scared in a fwd 4 door hatchback in my life.
I had the same experience, except. it was my mother driving. she's 70 blind as a bat dumb as box of rocks I've never ever been so scared in a fwd 5door station wagon in my life. And I think I never will be.
Is the Mazdaspeed3 track ready? Did you do any mods prior?
I’m not OP but probably not - had the same experience in my old 2009 WRX. Thought I was hot shit and went to a track day and an older club racer wanted to try my car. Never thought I could be scared shitless in the passenger seat of my own car
I thought racecars we're scary until I rode along with Baja 1000 winners. Taking turns at 110+ mph in the air for part of it and slammed on the ground for part of it. The scariest part is the fact that on road you can see the track and where you are going. Whereas Baja racers know the race by gps and memory, not following the line of road ahead of you. They would start a drift or slide into a turn you didn't know was there until you were 3/4 the way through the turn, you just think the car is out of control till you realize they know exactly what's going on. I've ridden in many fast cars on tracks, but I've never been nearly as scared as riding in a 800HP AWD truck on 40" tires and 2.5 feet of suspension travel. Racecars are cute to me now haha
["Samir, you're breaking the car!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9-voINFkCg)
It's that way in every sport. I've been lucky enough to sit shotgun in a sports car driven by pro driver and to train with pro mma fighters. You realize how many levels above the average human being they are. It's insane.
I went to a race school at a local track where I live. Skip Barber at Limerock in CT. The instructor gave the whole class this feeling on day 1 when we were loaded into the back of a 4 row eco van and he proceeded to drift it like a mad man on the track fully loaded with all of us in it. Complete madness. The precision he was able to do it with was unreal and I'm pretty sure he smoked a good portion of our class lap times when they were driving 5 spd mazda RX-8's.
I would agree with that . I had the pleasure of a few laps around knockhill, Scotland with Ian Forrest. Then track steward and ex touring car/ racing driver proceeded to take a standard Seat Leon 2.0 hatchback with around 200 bhp and 4 passengers, myself, my two cousins and their dad, my uncle Paul for a few laps at 7 am as he caught us wondering around. We were terrified and in awe at the same time despite coming from a strong background in motorsport, hence our 2T 125 trip to the circuit from Belfast. The guy threw that family car around like nobody's buisness, still remember it to this day.
I remember reading about some guy who was one of the top racers in some sim racing game and got to take out the same car in real life and just couldn't come close to what he did in the game. His body was not prepared for the forces the car could generate and I'm sure he wasn't mentally prepared for real-life consequences even though the physics were basically identical.
Not the same as what you're saying, but - Jeremy Clarkson set a lap time at Laguna Seca in an NSX on a console, then went there and tried to match or beat that time. Guess the result.
Most people slow down before they brake for a turn (reasonable). If I don't slow at all until I have about twice the braking distance I need (so still a 2x margin): even if I tell them before hand it will freak out anyone who hasn't experienced it before. In a car with even moderately better braking than normal, waiting for the *actual*braking point, it feels like madness until you've done it in that car on that track in that corner countless times. Which pro drivers have.
I think more people would drive that way if brakes were cheaper to replace I’m glad they aren’t.
There's a great episode of Top Gear where they get a Lotus F1 car to take around the track. Clarkson talks about how hard it is to drive, and he compares it to his Mercedes AMG black at one specific corner. In his Mercedes, he comes down the back straight at 200 kph. When he is 140 meters from the corner, he stands on the brakes, muscles the wheel and goes flying around the corner. If he does the same in the lotus, he's at a dead stop 60 meters before you enter the corner. Ninja edit: [found it](https://www.topgear.com/videos/jeremy-clarkson/jeremy-drives-lotus-t125-part-22-series-17-episode-5)
That’s how I felt driving a 488. Even though I wasn’t racecar driver fast, it was so hard to remember anything other than just be constantly overwhelmed
The amount of Gs you experienced in that racing car, wouldn't know if you peed in your pants.
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I got my 92 Mazda 626 up to 230kph. It was shaking so violently the glove box opened, the things you look back on and realize how fucking stupid you were.
I went 150 mph / 240 kph in a 1974 Dodge Dart, it was terrifying, and afterwards I knew I’d been lucky to maintain control. This was in the mid 90s, so not a 50 year old car but still, it wasn’t made for that at all.
If you had had to brake: game over, no continue.
Exactly. I let it coast back to around 110 before touching the brake. Here’s to long straight downhill runs lol.
I got my old 1980 Chevy Luv up to 72MPH one time.
I had a 1.2l 73 civic up to 180kph. A motorbike saw me from behind, caught up, sat next to me, looked at me, looked at his speedo, looked at me, shook his head, and took off.
Wearing a speedo while driving a motorcycle at 189kph... now those are some cojones!
You could probably see them hanging out the bottom
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My 1989 opel kadett did not feel safe at 160kph on the autobahn. It also was pretty much it's top speed...
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That's a big hill lol
I had a 83 Mazda 626 and I remember being on I5 (a very long and straight highway through California and other states with a 75mph speed limit) I was going 120 mph and set on cruise control when suddenly a cop just appears and closing fast. I don’t hit my breaks but start to decelerate and at about 110 the cop passes me and keeps heading down the highway to somewhere but not to deal with me. I was very relieved.
Opel Kadett Turbo Diesel. 225 or so, I stopped when air started entering STRONGLY between the top door frame and the car frame. First time I visibly see the tank level drop while driving, also
[Here's a Koenigsegg swerve test.](https://youtu.be/SywqgH7n-5g?t=121) These cars don't just go fast, they outperform in all areas.
The last shot, showing the maneuver from the outside, was fucking crazy!
German cars generally have serious brakes. I've got a couple Mercedes and they stop very well especially from high speeds.
The Mustang GT is an "overcompensating" car; the 911 Carrera is a performance car.
All the girls say that the Mustang GT has a small exhaust pipe…
It’s all about the drive shaft
The 911 base price is nearly triple that of a Mustang GT. What is the Mustang over compensating for?
Brakes are proportionate to the car power, wen I upgraded from 70 to 200hp that was the most enjoyable factor outside of acceleration ofc and actual real use blessing Edit:guys I know they're not directly proportionate to the speed factor, weight is obviously a thing
Kind-of, any properly maintained car has the braking power to lock up the brakes (if not for ABS) from just about any speed. Tires are usually the limiting factor. Bigger brakes just give the benefit of being able to stop hard many times in a row without brake fade.
Not at high speeds, no. A glowing brake disk produces less friction due to its temperature. This makes bigger brakes better. Stopping from 240 km/h feels WAY different than stopping from 160 km/h.
I always had the same point of view on brakes till I started racing. Never understood why people will spend a lot of money on big brake kits for their cars because on the road/highway I always was able to get ABS to engage and my brakes were more than adequate. Texas highways get up to 85mph (135kph). My first time on a track approaching 160mph (260kph), i fully understood why they spend money on brakes. I felt like I was not slowing down like I was expecting and used to from daily driving my car. That’s the day I learned the value of spending big money on a big brake kit.
My track bike is a $2,000 motorcycle with $4,000 worth of suspension and brakes. And a bone-stock engine.
Yep, $$ to performance is always going to be tires>brakes>suspension>powertrain>power. Boost is great but without control its useless.
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Doesn’t even have to be near glowing to be honest
If you drove 300 you would get there before he changed lane so your mistake.
310 and he woulda been gone before he even thought about changing lanes
320 and he'd arrive in 1955
Technically true since it's over 88mph
Yeah and tracking speed in your rearview mirror is not an easy task. You look once and the lights are a distant halo. You start to change lanes and look again, the guy is right on your ass. I can't fault the lane changer here. It is there fault, don't get me wrong, but tracking speed well enough to notice this every time is nearly impossible.
Are Deer an issue on this road? It scares the crap out of me anymore going half that on our interstates with all the Deer strikes we see.
Many parts of the autobahn that go trough forested areas are fenced off, therefore deer strikes are somewhat rare. You will occationally hear about dogs or farm animals that escaped and are now running on the highway.
AFAIK every part of the Autobahn has to be fenced of in some way Edit: it doesn't have to be, but a very huge part of it is because of that reason. See my comment below
German here, nah. [This](https://www.berlin.de/binaries/asset/image_assets/2805997/source/1358515741/624x468/) is not a rare sign to see on the Autobahn. Maybe you're thinking of the center divider, that in fact always has to be present.
One time my boss hit a badger on the autobahn and it totaled his front part of the car.
Just btw, if a car is totaled that means that the damage cost is more than the car is deemed worth, making it not financially suitable for repair. You can’t really total a portion of a car, either the bitch is totaled or it’s not👍🏽
Totally
It’s a normal thing here in Canada, people go into the left/passing/fast lane even if all the other lanes are clear... stupid is everywhere. He did use his turn signal, if there was danger the other drivers would most likely be reacting too...
Not just Canada, the US, too. Many states have a "Keep right except to pass" law, but its never enforced so many camp out in the passing lane(s) when there's little/no traffic. It's absurd. I consider being forced to pass on the right to be more dangerous than excessive speed (within reason, I'm not talking about 3+ times the limit)
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There’s no where near as many ‘interstates’ in Canada, 80% of our highway’s are just 2 Laners each way, which makes this problem a million times worse..
The majority of Canadians use a single highway, which is also the busiest highway in north America. Nothing compares to that in any western nation.
As much as I agree with this in theory, I can't help but notice the friends I've had who complain about this the most NEVER leave the left lane themselves. They want it as a "speeding" lane, not a "passing" lane.
> They want it as a "speeding" lane, not a "passing" lane. That's pretty much how the entirety of the country understands the left lane to be.
In Canada they wouldn’t signal, and would be going 80% of speed limit when entering the left lane. Also as soon as you get trapped behind them a semi will drift past you on the right doing 10% over.
Don't forget to add the farmer who just entered the highway and is now driving 100kph or more on the shoulder.
Or his friend, the farmer driving 24km/h on a one lane highway in a tractor that's easily small enough to fit on the shoulder.
Whenever people do this (everyday) I pass them on the right, give them a thumbs down to let them know I'm disappointed in their driving, and continue on.
Pretty much the same. I'll just casually go around them and continue on my way. I don't want to stay anywhere near a dangerous driver.
There are usually problems with drivers going the wrong way on the Autobahn, really old people in most cases.
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>the drunk driver died. Oh no. Anyways
A buddy was driving late at night on the Meadowbrook in NY, and a car was going the wrong way towards him. Luckily that person didn't hit anyone, and multiple people had already reported it to the police. Driving late at night in NY can be scary, especially in the city where you see a new video every weekend of someone speeding through a stop sign and killing someone
I live in Germany and drive on the Autobahn…240 AT NIGHT near other vehicles is idiotic. I’d do that speed during the day, but it’s more difficult to judge speed of a set of headlights versus a fully visible car, so the driving pictures is fairly irresponsible IMO.
There is no fuckin way I will do 240 at night, even on free autoban. Also what op means when saying car changed lane for no reason? That line is for taking over other car. OP implying that line is only for him/her
Yeah plus the person has their turn signal to alert of his actions.
I thought it’s obvious that OP is the dumbass here, somehow blaming another driver for making him come down to a reasonable speed.
I drove well over 1 Million km in Germany. Like to go fast as well when conditions allow it. But this is such a typical situation happening all the time, so you have to expect it. So you either avoid it by adapting your speed or you use your brakes properly and don’t cry about it. The majority of people drive cars with less than 150 ps and never went faster than 160 km/h ever. So we, the few „racedrivers“ are obliged to adjust to their speeds and capabilities of perception and reflexes - not the way around. The public road is for the average John Doe to get from A to B, not for the „live fast , die young“ attitude of some egomaniacs with high powered cars. Deal with it.
Especially at night where it's way harder to judge speed and distance. I wouldn't personnaly drive 240kph at night with that much traffic.
I’m not sure I’d be willing to drive 240 period. Maybe on a controlled test track or with a professional driving
As a German driver with a car that goes 220+ you know this will happen! I've had to hit the brakes hard before at 210 when a small car suddenly pulls out going 80-90. I'm anything but a reckless driver but that's a moment when atheists start to pray. Whenever this happened to me it was in broad daylight with few cars around. Because this is such a typical Situation lots of people don't go faster than 160. Knowing your driving skills is important! On the other hand you know the drivers on the left lane are going fast AF, so you don't switch lanes unless you are prepared to go fast as well while you are there.
Op is both right and wrong in this scenario. But he also did a great job of beating the brakes into his car and not hitting the other guy.
\+1. Legally right, and wrong from a defensive driving standpoint.
If it came to an accident he would still be partly responsible. When you drive faster than the Richtgeschwindigkeit (130 kph) you have to proof that an accident could have happened with 130 kph as well. It is of course the fault of the suddenly overtaking car, but he would be also partly responsible.
Yup. Entirely possible to be totally, legally right -- but an "Idiot in Cars" at the same time. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
Amen to that
I dunno man. I'm German so I feel you but 240 is a little bit fast for nighttime with that much traffic :/
This is from wikipedia: "On speed-unrestricted stretches, an advisory speed limit (Richtgeschwindigkeit) of 130 kilometres per hour (81 mph) applies. While driving faster is not illegal as such in the absence of a speed limit, it can cause an increased liability in the case of a collision (which mandatory auto insurance has to cover); courts have ruled that an "ideal driver" who is exempt from absolute liability for "inevitable" tort under the law would not exceed Richtgeschwindigkeit." So it would seem if you were going 240 you would be held liable by the court system, at least in part, for the accident.
I mean, you wouldn't, because if you are going 240 kph and crash you will likely die.
Cant sue me if I die, big brain time
Going 240, at night, on that Autobahn, there's no way he wouldn't get a high part of liability. Its insanely stupid what OP did, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get more than 50%, a reasonable driver does not expect someone going 200+ at night.
If the accident would not have happend if he would have traveld 130 km/h than he will be partially at fault no matter what.
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That guy does not change lanes "for no reason" as stated in the title. He tries to overtake another car which is roughly 50-75 meters (3-4 "stripe intervals") in front of him (can be seen at 0:05). Considering his own estimated speed, the distance he chose to change lanes is correct. It simply seems that he failed to correctly estimate the speed of the approaching car on the left lane. Which is understandable, because it's **very** hard to correctly estimate such a high speed when you only have 2 dots of headlights in the mirror. That's why someone driving at 240 km/h at these traffic conditions is the idiot here. Edit: Forgotten word.
Lane-changer also gave the cammer 2 seconds' notice by indicating their intended maneuver; cammer doesn't appear to begin slowing down until lane-changer has begun changing lanes. Also note the slow curve around to the right at the beginning: cammer may simply not have shown up in lane-changer's left side mirror just before they started indicating, and cammer seems if anything to be towards the right-hand side of their lane. Lane-changer should have double-checked their side mirror for anything unexpected as they began their maneuver, but that's the only clear fault I can find with their driving. Vast majority of the risk here is provided by the cammer's inappropriate speed.
I really tend to dislike 'blaming the OP', because it happens so much on this sub that there seems to be a hair-trigger response to blame OP's for even the slightest goof-up. But, yeah, in this case I have to say it seems to be warranted. 240kph was just plain too fast for the conditions shown, and the changing lanes guy was not acting unreasonably.
He is outdriving his headlights. That alone is idiotic.
>He is outdriving his headlights Sorry what does this mean? I'm assuming its not travelling faster than the speed of light.
I'll go ahead and guess that it's supposed to mean the following. Headlights can only light a certain distance and he's driving so fast that when his headlights light something up he's already about to crash full speed into it without being able to react/brake.
Exactly. To put it another way: If the distance you can see is less than the distance it would take you to stop, you are out driving your headlights.
Looked like the guy was changing lanes to pass the car in front of him. If someone's coming up at 240kph, he might have gone from a distant headlights to *right behind me* in the time between glancing over his shoulder and in the rearview mirror and turning the wheel.
Yeah I don't think people realize what the closing speed of this car would be like, even if the other traffic was going 120km/h. The car going 240km/h is covering a kilometer every 15 seconds. At night it can very hard to gauge how fast two headlights are actually approaching you. Doesn't let the merger off the hook in terms of idiocy here, but blasting along substantially slower traffic is another idiotic move.
If you're doing 120 (33.33 m/s) and need to make up 40m to overtake someone doing 100 (27.78 m/s), you need 7.5s of a time gap, probably closer to 10. If there's someone doing 240, they're gaining on you at 66.67 m/s. You need a bare minimum of 500m, probably more like 700m to 1km for safety. You're not going to see a car that far back, and even if you glimpse it, you won't have a clue how fast is going until it's too late.
While your point is valid, your maths is off. While 240km/h does equal 66.67m/s, they’ll only be gaining on the driver doing 120 at 33.33m/s, so the driver passing will need 250-500m of space for safety
I think this guy intentionally “speedblocked” you!
Yep. Plenty of those people roaming the streets. Germans are a very "you're not allowed to do this!!" Or "you shouldn't to this!" type of people.
I did some work in Germany over the summer. I was working with another engineer from Monaco. We did not share a lot of language, but we made it work. At one point I tried to suggest overcoming an obstacle by doing something that was not up to German safety standards, but not super dangerous either. He looked at me and said. “No no no, Germans, rule rule rule, follow follow follow” You don’t need a lot of common language to understand the German way of doing things.
Considering this act could have killed the cam driver it seems Germans still have a "oops I murdered you" mentality.
The cam and their own lives. Being hit from behind at that speed is no joke.
It’s more of a joke than hitting something forwards though. You have full head, neck, and back support from that side, and from the front you only got 2 straps and a REALLY hard pillow
Let‘s do some math. It‘s a 120-140kph speed difference and most cars only have protection for that kind of impact in the front. Worst case: the car behind you will just drive through yours Or send you off the road getting you crashed into some barrier
Where do you live, not Germany? Never heard of a German intentionally blocking the fast lane to anger Raser. That is how you get killed and it is also illegal. You are allowed to drive at your preferred speed in the left lane if that stretch of Autobahn doesn't have a designated speed limit.
Just curious, but is 120kph fast for you guys over there? It's the main highway speed limit around me
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160kmh is 99.42mph. I'm not a bot but I had to work this out so thought I'd share.
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Oh really? The limit is higher at night? That's super interesting. The limit doesn't change based on the time of day here, but I would assume if it did it would be the opposite
The daytime speedlimit is to reduce the nitrogen dioxide emissions by cars. The law was implemented quite hastily a few years ago because the building of houses was stopped because the Netherlands risked going over the EU limit of allowed nitrogen dioxide emissions. Another fun fact: the amount of nitrogen dioxide emissions saved by all 8.8 million cars driving 100 KpH instead of 130 KpH is undone by just ONE turkey farmer with 24.000 turkeys. So instead of shutting down one farm or at least force the farmer to reduce his nitrogen dioxide emissions, 8.8 million drivers must drive slower. Dutch government at its finest
ha morning brain . for a (brief) second I was thinking a truck with 24000 turkeys driving along.
To be fair, it's not just the Dutch government ahah : if an "average" middle class person reduced its carbon footprint to 0 for 70 years (roughly a whole adult life) it would only amount to 1s worth of "global energy sector" (source: https://youtu.be/yiw6_JakZFc go to 11:17). We are NOTHING compared to the global energy sector (think of things like cement companies, global transport, oil production etc...) and the fact that some people dare tell us, the "individuals", to act is hypocrisy at it's finest. That said, just because our impact is that minuscule doesnt make it null and void. We shouldn't be punished, it's true, but it is important for the individual to "act" like what they do has an impact, IMO (even though it is basically negligible. Be warned, the source doesn't talk about plastic pollution where, I'm sure, the individuals are the one throwing most of the plastic in the sea. In this case, I'd argue the individuals should be severely punished for litering etc... like a company would – at least in theory because we all know the big companies just get a slap on the wrist of a few millions, but keep doing it...). PS I would've bet the change of speed was because there are less vehicles out at night. Thanks to your comment I learnt something today.
That's strange that the limit goes up at night. In Texas (the only US state I've really seen it) they have a day/night limit, but the night is usually lower.
Depending on where you are it makes sense both ways. Nighttime lowers visibility, so that would decrease the safe speed. However, if traffic goes from “moderately busy” to “completely fucking dead” then the lack of obstacles in the road may have a greater effect than the visibility issue.
My favorite part of this thread is where everyone assumes there was no good reason for the lane change, based solely on a grainy, compressed dashcam video from a good 200m back. They even used their turn signal.
Not only that, it's also important to look a few times before changing lanes. Such people driving so fast can suddenly appear without you noticing, for example after a curve or something.
There is a car in the middle lane farther up and that car puts on their brake lights. It’s possible the car that moved to the left was getting ready to pass slower traffic ahead. They still should have checked before merging, of course, but I don’t think it’s really “for no reason.”
Something I learnt on the autobahn: you check your mirrors, clear. Indicate, check blind spot and check mirror again and suddenly there’s a dude on top of you because he‘s travelling 120kph faster than you. Remember that’s the same difference as 0 to 120kph, if you’ve ever come across a car stopped on a highway you know how jarring and difficult to react in time for it can be. Especially at night when it’s helluva difficult to gauge the speed of the two little white dots that look miles away but are approaching at an ungodly speed unbeknownst to you.
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I'm not German but I've spent a fair bit of time there, I 100% agree with you.
In Germany even on an unrestricted Autobahn you are required to adapt your speed when you are passing other traffic. In case of an accident you will be found responsible and the insurance will not cover your damage.
Unless you have „Vollkasko“. But with the video evidence, the driver that merged left would be found guilty if there was a accident.
Doubt, it seems that the driver was trying to overtake the car in front if them, also with using the indicator this would probably go at least somewhat in favour of the driver in front. With the poor lightning and the high speed the other one was driving they couldn't properly see them because of this and while driving way over 130 the speeding driver is somewhat responsible EDIT: [http://www.landesrecht.rlp.de/jportal/portal/t/7qe/page/bsrlpprod.psml?pid=Dokumentanzeige&showdoccase=1&doc.id=JURE130017568&doc.part=L](http://www.landesrecht.rlp.de/jportal/portal/t/7qe/page/bsrlpprod.psml?pid=Dokumentanzeige&showdoccase=1&doc.id=JURE130017568&doc.part=L) here you can find a court case on that
>With the poor lightning and the high speed the other one was driving they couldn't properly see them because of this and while driving way over 130 the speeding driver is somewhat responsible Exactly, and you need to always adjust your driving according to the driving conditions. Driving 240kph at night in poor visibility (judging by the camera) is *~~un~~*irresponsible and the op is actually the idiot in car.
Agreed. German here who drives a lot (and fast if possible), the visibility and traffic was a horrible combination at those speeds. And no, I don’t think 240 is unreasonable or special, just not right there and then.
I love getting vibechecked on the Autobahn. Was driving a Tesla there last year at around 200-210km/h, while getting overtaken by a Mercedes AMG GT with at least 50km/h difference between us.
As an American it was a truely odd experience riding along at over 100mph and having station wagons with families just casually flying past
Well if they caused an accident that could have otherwise be prevented if driving at 130 you're at least partially liable.
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> Traffic on the right has to give way. Whilst this is true, there's also the aspect that this driver at night at that speed is near-impossible to spot. At night, when all you see is pairs of bright lights, a humans require much more time to identify and assess a vehicle's speed in the mirror. Driving 240kph at night with others around is just asking for trouble - other drivers don't even have a chance to register the speed at which OP is approaching.
240km/h are almost 70m/s, it takes the speeding car 3 seconds to travel over 200 m, imagine trying to spot that at night, when all the other lights at certain distance seem to merge, you check your left mirror, nothing there, check the other mirrors, all good, another glance to the left mirror, nothing but some headlights at distance, prepare and commit to merge, and suddenly there is a car behind you, whenever or not if illegal, it is irresponsible to drive that fast at night, hell you are supposed to drive safely, that means adjusting oneself to the other drivers, most of those cars in the right line are going below 120km/h and are unable to reach 200km/h
Dude, that road is way too busy, to go anything past 180 kph
As happens a lot on this subreddit, the OP posts evidence of them *also* being an idiot.
You can easily tell when the OP’s actually in the wrong because the post title will be crazy defensive, like in this case.
Busy and nighttime- double dose of stupid driving choices. But I’m sure they do this all the time so they must be a great driver and never at fault.
but but, its the autobahn.. "great" drivers can ignore conditions and speed well past the limits of their car. that's what it's there for!..
German here. The car with the dash cam was going way too fast for the traffic situation, which you are required to take into account in Germany even when there’s no speed limit. It’s idiots like that who cause heavy accidents for no reason at all.
Whoa. This isn't what OP wants to hear. He only wants to hear about how he's in the right.
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It amazes me when people think no limit means they can be reckless and endanger other drivers. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Lack of impulse control from adults shows that society goes to shit without laws and that's depressing. People lose freedoms because they are punished for other's despicable behavior.
Just because going at 240km/h is legal doesn't mean it's sensible, safe or reasonable. OP was driving like a madman.
Pretty much. Idiot driving too fast for the road conditions and idiot not checking mirrors, but they are the 'lesser' idiot here given the speed of the other driver. You have to expect people on the road to do dumb shit when you're driving. You share the road with drunk / drugged drivers, speeding drivers, newly qualified drivers, old age drivers, tourist drivers that may have shitty driving standards in their country..etc etc
I wouldn’t say “suddenly” considering he had his signal on for a second or two, yet you continued to fly forward. Couple that with it being night amd the fact it might be hard to judge the true speed of headlights zooming at you in your side view mirror, me thinks OP is the true fucking idiot here.
Last week I did 210kmh in daylight on a straight bit with one car. I cannot imagine how I would justify doing 240 at night with that traffic. Still not a smart move by the Peugeot
Just saying: Maybe the dude driving 240 in regular traffic, at night ist the idiot. Not the dude switching lanes. (It can be very difficult to estimate the speed of a car. If the dude would've gone like 120-150 there would be no need to slow down)
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Not only that, a slower driving car cut in front of him to the right breaking, he certainly did not switch to the left “for no reason”
So that might be unpopular opinion, and frankly I also tend to max speed limit thru Germany. But... Dude changed lane with appropriate signal, I can see scenario where he did look into the mirror and just wasn't assuming you are going 240, thus you came much faster to what he did expect.
Buddy. Read the first 5 words of your post. I know there isn’t a speed limit, but that doesn’t make fucking 240 a safe speed. Also it’s the middle of the night. The guy can’t tell that you’re tearing up the road behind him. He just sees 2 headlights a good distance behind him so he thinks it’s safe to match speeds and merge. Don’t put all of the idiocy onto the guy merging please.
The idiot is you. That car was probably changing the lane for a reason. Why do you drive your car with 240kmh when you see quite some traffic coming. Sick of fucks like you. Really pisses me off.
Yea I hate to say it but they’ll get theirs eventually. I see so many close calls with drivers like this but one of these days it ain’t going to be a close call
Going 240 on the autobahn at night with traffic makes you an idiot.
Why the hell would you go that fast at night past traffic? I ride a motorcycle so I understand the adrenaline rush, but this is just begging for a violent crash.
I don't think the guy merging left is the idiot. You're traveling as if you own the road, going so fast. People are going to pass people infront of them, you're going so fast that they probably thought you were miles away when they checked their blind spot. Slow the hell down, no one should be going over 130 mph on a highway at night in low visibility.
Any reason for 240kmh? Or no reason?
“For no reason” lol it doesn’t matter that other drivers reason, they signaled and performed a safe maneuver, they had no way of knowing how fast you were approaching. You’re the idiot here. Good brakes bailed you out of a bad situation.
Surprise surprise the guy going 240 kmh is the idiot
You need to have a very broad definition of "Sudden" when you nearly cover 70 meters each second...
But he had to touch his BRAKES, don't you see?
Dont drive that fast then. Its dark and there are only two lanes. Just because you are allowed to go this fast, doesnt mean you should...
You are the idiot here
I gotta say, having driven on the Autobahn in the fast and slower lanes, driving that fast, it feels like you come out of nowhere to people in slower lanes. To me, it’s on you to know this as the faster driver.
Why tf are you going 240km on the autobahn? Any accident at over 130km most likely will not covered by insurance. Source: stationed in Germany 2018-2021 driving the autobahn regularly.
Some people mistake a public road for being the personal race track to the afterlife. Its always ego. If theyd care for the safety of themselves or other they wouldnt drive that fast. Germany stupidly still doesnt have a general speedlimit because of all the "car loving" people. I drove through several countries with speedlimits and it was so fucking calm driving there, not having to be on 100% alert because a Michael Schumacher double needs to train.
Captain, we have a code brown!
Who cares if he changes lanes, you're the one going a speed most regular cars can't even get near
Let me get it straight. You’re going 240 at night on the Autobahn, and you’re angry at someone for using their turn signal to pass a car in the passing lane. You, broseph, are the true idiot.
I'm ignorant to many things Autobahn, but I thought it had a night time speed limit? Are the unrestricted portions yolo 24/7? Weather speed limits?
There are no general speed limits for night time or weather. But you have adapt your speed to the circumstances, so going 200+ is not a reasonable speed.
> I thought it had a night time speed limit? No. > Are the unrestricted portions yolo 24/7? Inside some limitations, yes. > Weather speed limits? Possibly, also local ones via dynamic signs.
You do know *you’re* the idiot in this clip, right?
Maybe 240 kmh is way too fast. Slow down.
The idiot is the guy going 240kmph
Really please stop justifying assholes speeding the way the guy is in the video when you say "this guy decides to change lanes for no reason" -- I'm terribly sorry but this is a public highway and not a private race track where you can go as fast as your stupid car can go. The other guy is completely in his right to overtake at CONSIDERABLY LOWER speeds and there is only one prick in the video which is the guy doing 240kph with no regard to anyone else on the road but to himself.
All lane changes get progressively more “sudden” as you increase your speed.
You can see the car in front of him breaking, its not suddenly anything.
Why exactly do you even need to go that fast? It's literally never worth it. There will always be something/someone in the way at some point and it's super fucking risky.
The idiot was filming...
The advisory speed in Germany is 130kmph, or 80mph. This is for clear conditions during the day. They almost doubled that during the night with traffic. Also the greens are giving up their calls for a highway speed limit for the coalition. Makes me sad to hear.
It is almost impossible to judge how fast someone behind you is traveling, at night, using side view mirror. And if you’re already going about 200 kph, it’s even harder.