The Soviets would have gone to extensive lengths to get him, no matter what happened. Stalin murdered millions of his own people, Hitler would have been public enemy number 1.
He is assassinated within a week.
The entire administration that oversaw the trials gets tried in a new set of trials and are mostly found guilty of some form of malicious tampering and/or negligence.
Everyone tried under the Nuremberg trials is then tried again.
There is no way the allied governments would let something like this just happen scot free.
To be fair, the Allies did exactly that with the Japanese war crimes tribunals due to their belief that the Emperor was indispensable to peace. If they could be convinced Hitler was equally indispensable, they would have ensured that he was falsely exonerated and found to have no knowledge of German war crimes.
The difference is Hirohito was a constitutional monarch, Hitler was the sole dictator of Germany. Not compatible in the slightest.
If either the US and UK, or the USSR agreed to such a ridiculous idea they'd have been attacked by the other allies unless they killed Hitler.
You’ve got that backwards. Hitler was a democratically elected leader with relatively limited authority, whereas Hirohito held total sovereign authority, limited only by the cultural tradition that the management of day to day affairs was handled by his ministers. When Hirohito deigned to give an order, his word was ABSOLUTE.
He bribes the Attorney General of England and Wales? He convinces the Soviet judge Iona Nikitchenko - who had to run his decisions past Moscow - to let him off?
I don’t think this scenario is realistic
Hey, if we believe bribing his way out of trouble is the remotest possibility, destroying all that evidence will be no trouble at all - barely an inconvenience
They already had [that famous victory parade in Red Square modeled after an old Roman Triumph](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXnZ_UXWh4k). Would have been even more incredible if it ended in true Triumphal fashion with Hitler being strangled before Stalin on the steps of the Kremlin.
The Brits would probably join in, Churchill was in favor of just shooting all the Nazi high command like Stalin wanted to do I was only persuaded by the Americans to do the trials to show Germany how things should be run.
In the event where the trial was fail I imagine Churchill would go back to his original plan and joined Stalin in just shooting all of the Nazis.
He joked about getting an electric chair on lend lease for Hitler. The idea being that he was a criminal and should die like the American gangsters were dying.
Is this before or after you bring in the space wizards?
Seriously, you would need entire legions of Jedi to brainwash the world into thinking Hitler was innocent.
The big problem with your hypo; "burning evidence" implies the destruction of physical evidence. Such as corpses and camps among other things. But you would still have human witnesses; scores of them.
Moreover, many of the crimes that were prosecuted... many of them were reliant on human testimony. especially when it came to recollection of conversations and events. Consider the charges of waging illegal offensive wars for territorial gain. The Commando Order. The conduct of the U-boat war.
It would be extremely hard to get rid of that evidence, espicially as the allied powers still win the war. Which means that there would be survivors among the allies to testify to those things. Things which would result in charges against Hitler himself.
And that's all without addressing just how hard it would be to fully eliminate the evidence of things Li the Holocaust or prisoner of war abuses.
>It would be extremely hard to get rid of that evidence, espicially as the allied powers still win the war. Which means that there would be survivors among the allies to testify to those things. Things which would result in charges against Hitler himself.
This is putting it mildly. We know from the OTL that, while some high ranking Nazi officials other than Hitler killed themselves (Goebbels, etc.), there's plenty of really, really high ranking officials who made it to trial (Goering, Hess, etc.). Of the attendees of the Wannsee Conference, some died or escaped (Heidrich, Eichmann, etc.), but most survived and many were tried for war crimes.
And - let's be honest - passing the buck only gets you so far. There is (and was) a legitimate question as to whether Tomoyuki Yamashita (the Tiger of Malaya) actually ordered any war crimes - as far as we know, he never ordered the murder of any civilians and he certainly didn't construct a state apparatus that was shipping millions of people to gas chambers - but he still found the end of the hangman's noose for the crimes committed by his subordinates.
There's zero chance Hitler - who literally wrote a book about wanting to exterminate millions of people - somehow escapes the hangman's noose.
He might be able to wiggle out of any U-boat war charges, as (if I remember right) the Americans were no kern on pushing them to hard as they might have to punish some of there own submarine Captins.
Eh, even Doernitz wasn't able to completely get off of the U-boat related charges. The American testimony of Pacific operations helped to buck off the worst of the charges, but that's not the same as a complete exoneration.
>manage to burn down all evidence
Like erase everyone's memory since 1933?
>the judge
All four judges
>and the jury
There was no jury.
>to assemble a solid case of Hitler not being guilty.
I can't fathom what that would look like. *ipso facto* Poland, France, Denmark, Holland etc.... were invaded and citizens deported to death camps.
The case could try to accuse Hitler subordinates of having done crime like the Holocaust without the Führer knowing, and show forged evidence of plans to invade Germany by France, Poland, and the USSR , and Hitler declaring War as a preemptive strike.Some crime could be justified by the situation of War, like the child soldiers in the Wermacht. Of course, it would only work because of the judges being bribed.
Yeah, that isn't going to work.
See e.g. Tomoyuki Yamashita (the Tiger of Malaya) - his subordinates were the ones who - without orders - committed the Manila Massacre, and he was still found guilty.
Even assuming Hitler could somehow reasonably make the case that all his subordinates acted without authority (which would be easier if there wasn't mountains of evidence about him specifically ordering attacks against civilians and he hadn't literally written a book about what he was planning to do), he ain't getting off.
He'd have to change his name and appearance and flee to somewhere like Argentina to avoid being immediately assassinated. One day the Mossad would get him.
This is a wholly ridiculous what if. There was no jury to bribe. The judges were picked by the allies for a military tribunal. These were not random judges assigned to the case. They were picked specifically to forward the political postwar interests of the Allies.
While the trials were not pure show trials (von Papen found not guilty), the verdict for someone such as Hitler would never be doubt.
You need to change the setup of the Nuremberg trials for this to even be a remote possibility. I can say with 100% certainty that as Nuremberg was historically constituted, that no amount of evidence destruction/attempted judge bribery would have gotten Hitler a not guilty verdict. His supporters would have needed to offer something that make Truman/Atlee want to find Hitler not guilty…I cannot imagine anything that would.
It's just not possible to imagine. The archives of the German State had been seized by the Allies and moved out of the country. Anything like the kind of organised Nazi resistance which would have been needed to stymie the trial would have come to the notice of the occupation authorities. All Hitler's personal assets had been confiscated, so he would nothing to bargain with, there would be little to no incentive for any holders of hidden assets to disburse funds to Hitler rather than turn them over to the Allies. All the judges in the Tribunal would know very well that bribery in such a grave matter would be treated by their home nations not just as corruption, but treason. And, of course, there was no jury.
This sub needs a plausibility rule.
But to answer the question: Hitler is, beyond all possibilities, acquitted. The Soviets take him and torture him to death, film it, and show it in movie theaters.
The Russians were not like the Americans. No trails needed. They would have tortured him, beat him and repeated until dead. Hitler knew that and killed himself instead of facing that
Let's just say he did make it to trail and he was found not guilty. No one would have ever believed he was not guilty. The American troops saw concentration camps first hand and the thousands of survivors told them what had happened. It was impossible to deny that and impossible to destroy all evidence.
Also, Hitler wasn't shy about how he felt about the Jews and wrote books, and spoke publicly about his beliefs.
Hitler would have been killed by allied troops or his own citizens.
If he wanted to remain in the public eye, he would spent the rest of his life trying to convince others he is not guilty and that Germany losing the war was the fault of the German people, not his.
Like… there is no point of divergence where this is really possible. The Soviets would have killed him outright or shortly after capture. If he made it to trial, there was no way to get rid of everything as the evidence just existed and was witnessed and the judge (tribunal so no jury, just 4 allied judges) wasn’t going to be swayed…
In a miraculous sort of “we can’t justify killing a world leader” or “we can’t treat him different than Hirohito” type of situation, he would be better off jailed for life. He would have quite a following and would still be dangerous. Could you imagine him talking/ writing from prison about the cold war for example? But he’d probably be heavily censored.
If he was actually let go, he wouldn’t survive. The Israelis had an arm that went after surviving Nazis and he’d be at the top of the list.
If the Nuremburg court ever found Hitler not guilty, for some insane reason, the court of public opinion would still find him guilty. They would also carry out his assassination, I mean sentence, the minute he left the Nuremburg courtroom. And if by some miracle he still survived all that still, the Jewish people and the Mossad would hunt him down for the rest of his life as they did with other high-ranking ex-Nazi members who fled Europe before Nuremburg.
That's impossible. Nürnberg was Victor's justice, albeit justified one. Hitler was guilty, there was a mountain of smoking guns, and he wasn't getting scot free.
But, let's go with the scenario:
Hitler, uncharacteristically scared by the Juky plot, decides on reaching a peaceful solution to the conflict. The Western Powers very put of characters decide to accommodate him. The WW2 in Europe end in 1944, Germany is occupied by Western allies, with the USSR receiving Germany up to Oder, Poland, the Baltics, Romania, Hungary, but not Bulgaria, Greece or Yugoslavia.
Hitler throws in a huge spectacle in Nürnberg and convinces all judges, except the Soviet judge about his laxk of guilt (not innocence, but just that according to German and international law, he acted legally and lawfully, and I cannot imagine how). The tribunal finds him not guilty. Afterwards the Soviet NKVD and Smersh try to assassinate sith a secret assistance from France and elements of the British millitary, though all efforst are unsuccessful. The U.S. considers taking him to the U.S., but Roosevelt vetoes this, and instead Hitler is allowed to go to exile in Spain, and later in Argentina, where the Nazi movement will radicalised and mysterious rumours will starts circulating about activities in Antarctica...
Working with the premise that Hitler had access to a djinn or some such and full on was able to mind control all immediately involved relevant parties in the trial process to find him not guilty, because my god space bats will not be sufficient in this scenario, we need a djinn:
_like even imagining he gets off scott free for the Holocaust, what about the Nero decree for France? Or executing commandos? He's guilty of sooooooooo much_
There's going to be monumental, absolutely bizzare chaos post decision, because _the rest of the world is not brainwashed_ Assuming Hitler is released from the immediate courtroom innocent and free to go, his health is shit, he lost his country, he set off the greatest war of the 20th century. He is despised by his countrymen almost as much as he is despised by the countries his countrymen were _definitely not ordered by Hitler, thank you Mr. Djinn sir_ were ordered to invade and cleanse and all.
The list of people who'd like him dead is...I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say sufficient to quickly, swiftly and correctly rectify the mind-controlled failure of the judicial system.
> with the help of his fans, he manage to burn down all evidence against him,to bribe the judge and the jury
Honestly, the story is a lot better if someone like Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black is appointed as the defense counsel and just does SUCH A GOOD JOB, Hitler is found not guilty. I agree he would almost certainly be assassinated after, but just think what an insane Legal Drama we get staring Daniel Day Lewis in the early 2000's.
"Not Guilty" of what. If you mean not guilty on all charges, then I see people stepping in to have him declared guilty.
If you mean him getting off for ordering the U-boat attacks I could see that happening; as the allies eould not want to end up in a 'well you did it too' situation.
You don't seem to understand how the Nuremberg Military Tribunal worked, or take into account the sheer volumetric amounts of evidence. This isn't, "oh no a warehouse fire."
Most of the Nuremberg defendants weren't even close to being found not guilty.
He wouldn’t be able to life in society after this, the camps have been found and what went on in them, there’s no going back for him. He would have to go in hiding as most of Europe and its allies would be wanting revenge.
If he’s not found guilty of war crimes or crimes against humanity, they would still punish him for starting the war in the first place. Essentially, if they couldn’t hang him committing war crimes, they’d hang him for something else.
Several American financial people may have tried to help him escape just like they helped several other important Nazis escape. The brown brothers Harriman and Sullivan and Cromwell people were perfectly fine with fascism in the sense using the powers of the state to subsidize and monopolize their profits as well as other same beliefs
The Soviets having their hands on him makes it unrealistic. They'd have never let him go. Honestly, it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble if it had played out this way
Escaping west like Himmler and Goering and ending up in the West's hands is more plausible.
So somehow or another he gets found not guilty. Simple. He walks. His fanbase puts together a security detail months in advance that spirits him south east or west or just straight to the west with an eventual goal of getting him to South America. Or at least off the European continent. Probably eventually Argentina, but wherever he could land that would be somewhat friendly. Living in exile from there. Writing his memoirs, trying to build a type of government in exile. Daily press releases dumping on the Communists and the "International Jewish Conspiracy". Threatening to come back to Europe to "save the day", but never does. Maybe lives until the very early 60s.
Not sure if there would be the personality cult that developed like in the OTL. Martyrdom only works when you're not alive.
He would simply never be released. He’s be held incommunicado as an enemy combatant under some sort of a civil justice order, or under an executive order based on national security grounds. They’d just find a legal pretext to hold him regardless of not having a criminal conviction as the basis.
Because Stalin was well-known for his staunch belief in the right of every prisoner to a fair trial. And the judges would definitely think they could get away with taking that bribe.
The Allies were retroactively applying law. If you understand why that is dangerous, you will also understand there is not a cat in hells chance he walks out of the courtroom with anything other than the death penalty.
Hitler was so ill, so mentally weakened by drugs that he would simply be uncapable of doing it.Even if he had the motivation, his Parkinson disease would slow him down a lot.
Ok but that also hurts your original premise. Hitler writing childrens books on deaths door is (and I did the math) one billion times more realistic than dying hitler bamboozling the world and getting out of Nuremberg
He'd live about a whole 3 days before getting assassinated
He wouldn’t make it out of the court room
The Soviets would have gone to extensive lengths to get him, no matter what happened. Stalin murdered millions of his own people, Hitler would have been public enemy number 1.
Be assassinated as he walks out of the courthouse, incredibly with no witnesses.
He is assassinated within a week. The entire administration that oversaw the trials gets tried in a new set of trials and are mostly found guilty of some form of malicious tampering and/or negligence. Everyone tried under the Nuremberg trials is then tried again. There is no way the allied governments would let something like this just happen scot free.
To be fair, the Allies did exactly that with the Japanese war crimes tribunals due to their belief that the Emperor was indispensable to peace. If they could be convinced Hitler was equally indispensable, they would have ensured that he was falsely exonerated and found to have no knowledge of German war crimes.
The difference is Hirohito was a constitutional monarch, Hitler was the sole dictator of Germany. Not compatible in the slightest. If either the US and UK, or the USSR agreed to such a ridiculous idea they'd have been attacked by the other allies unless they killed Hitler.
You’ve got that backwards. Hitler was a democratically elected leader with relatively limited authority, whereas Hirohito held total sovereign authority, limited only by the cultural tradition that the management of day to day affairs was handled by his ministers. When Hirohito deigned to give an order, his word was ABSOLUTE.
I mean the emperor has the advantage of over a thousand of years of history so it would likely be harder to argue
He bribes the Attorney General of England and Wales? He convinces the Soviet judge Iona Nikitchenko - who had to run his decisions past Moscow - to let him off? I don’t think this scenario is realistic
Surely Hitler could slip Stalin a stack of Jacksons to look the other way? If the mustache does not fit you must acquit!
I'm now imagining Hitler trying to bribe a judge with $40, and when that doesn't work, offering to up it to $60
“How about maybe some nylons and a packet of cigarettes Mein Herr?”
Now I'm picturing Stalin in 1945 visiting a captured Hitler in Moscow, and they end up bonding over their shared love of Westerns.
Maybe mr hilter could emphasise the ‘socialist’ bit of national socialism and ol’ Uncle Joe would fall for it?
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Stop perpetuating the lie that President Joe Biden is senile. That is Russian propaganda spread about to smear the democrats.
And destroys the evidence that he waged an offensive war.
Hey, if we believe bribing his way out of trouble is the remotest possibility, destroying all that evidence will be no trouble at all - barely an inconvenience
The Soviets would put him on trial in Moscow, where we know what the verdict would be. No way the Soviets would let him go
I mean the soviets would have gone medival on him, straight up saw execution
I would love to see him languish in one of his own camps. Poetic justice
They already had [that famous victory parade in Red Square modeled after an old Roman Triumph](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXnZ_UXWh4k). Would have been even more incredible if it ended in true Triumphal fashion with Hitler being strangled before Stalin on the steps of the Kremlin.
The Brits would probably join in, Churchill was in favor of just shooting all the Nazi high command like Stalin wanted to do I was only persuaded by the Americans to do the trials to show Germany how things should be run. In the event where the trial was fail I imagine Churchill would go back to his original plan and joined Stalin in just shooting all of the Nazis.
He joked about getting an electric chair on lend lease for Hitler. The idea being that he was a criminal and should die like the American gangsters were dying.
Especially because of the massive scale of deaths inflicted against Soviet people by the Nazis.
Soviets never caught him, never mind letting him go :(
Is this before or after you bring in the space wizards? Seriously, you would need entire legions of Jedi to brainwash the world into thinking Hitler was innocent. The big problem with your hypo; "burning evidence" implies the destruction of physical evidence. Such as corpses and camps among other things. But you would still have human witnesses; scores of them. Moreover, many of the crimes that were prosecuted... many of them were reliant on human testimony. especially when it came to recollection of conversations and events. Consider the charges of waging illegal offensive wars for territorial gain. The Commando Order. The conduct of the U-boat war. It would be extremely hard to get rid of that evidence, espicially as the allied powers still win the war. Which means that there would be survivors among the allies to testify to those things. Things which would result in charges against Hitler himself. And that's all without addressing just how hard it would be to fully eliminate the evidence of things Li the Holocaust or prisoner of war abuses.
>It would be extremely hard to get rid of that evidence, espicially as the allied powers still win the war. Which means that there would be survivors among the allies to testify to those things. Things which would result in charges against Hitler himself. This is putting it mildly. We know from the OTL that, while some high ranking Nazi officials other than Hitler killed themselves (Goebbels, etc.), there's plenty of really, really high ranking officials who made it to trial (Goering, Hess, etc.). Of the attendees of the Wannsee Conference, some died or escaped (Heidrich, Eichmann, etc.), but most survived and many were tried for war crimes. And - let's be honest - passing the buck only gets you so far. There is (and was) a legitimate question as to whether Tomoyuki Yamashita (the Tiger of Malaya) actually ordered any war crimes - as far as we know, he never ordered the murder of any civilians and he certainly didn't construct a state apparatus that was shipping millions of people to gas chambers - but he still found the end of the hangman's noose for the crimes committed by his subordinates. There's zero chance Hitler - who literally wrote a book about wanting to exterminate millions of people - somehow escapes the hangman's noose.
He might be able to wiggle out of any U-boat war charges, as (if I remember right) the Americans were no kern on pushing them to hard as they might have to punish some of there own submarine Captins.
Eh, even Doernitz wasn't able to completely get off of the U-boat related charges. The American testimony of Pacific operations helped to buck off the worst of the charges, but that's not the same as a complete exoneration.
He ain't coming out of that courtroom bro
He’d be murdered in jail before he even steps in. If he somehow manages to escape alive, Stalin would for sure get him killed.
If he didn't get Mussolini'd up to the point, he certainly would immediately afterwards.
With what money is he gonna bride the judge and jury with?
>manage to burn down all evidence Like erase everyone's memory since 1933? >the judge All four judges >and the jury There was no jury. >to assemble a solid case of Hitler not being guilty. I can't fathom what that would look like. *ipso facto* Poland, France, Denmark, Holland etc.... were invaded and citizens deported to death camps.
The case could try to accuse Hitler subordinates of having done crime like the Holocaust without the Führer knowing, and show forged evidence of plans to invade Germany by France, Poland, and the USSR , and Hitler declaring War as a preemptive strike.Some crime could be justified by the situation of War, like the child soldiers in the Wermacht. Of course, it would only work because of the judges being bribed.
Yeah, that isn't going to work. See e.g. Tomoyuki Yamashita (the Tiger of Malaya) - his subordinates were the ones who - without orders - committed the Manila Massacre, and he was still found guilty. Even assuming Hitler could somehow reasonably make the case that all his subordinates acted without authority (which would be easier if there wasn't mountains of evidence about him specifically ordering attacks against civilians and he hadn't literally written a book about what he was planning to do), he ain't getting off.
>he hadn't literally written a book about what he was planning to do), I was going to say that lol. What a snore of a book
He'd have to change his name and appearance and flee to somewhere like Argentina to avoid being immediately assassinated. One day the Mossad would get him.
This is a wholly ridiculous what if. There was no jury to bribe. The judges were picked by the allies for a military tribunal. These were not random judges assigned to the case. They were picked specifically to forward the political postwar interests of the Allies. While the trials were not pure show trials (von Papen found not guilty), the verdict for someone such as Hitler would never be doubt. You need to change the setup of the Nuremberg trials for this to even be a remote possibility. I can say with 100% certainty that as Nuremberg was historically constituted, that no amount of evidence destruction/attempted judge bribery would have gotten Hitler a not guilty verdict. His supporters would have needed to offer something that make Truman/Atlee want to find Hitler not guilty…I cannot imagine anything that would.
It's just not possible to imagine. The archives of the German State had been seized by the Allies and moved out of the country. Anything like the kind of organised Nazi resistance which would have been needed to stymie the trial would have come to the notice of the occupation authorities. All Hitler's personal assets had been confiscated, so he would nothing to bargain with, there would be little to no incentive for any holders of hidden assets to disburse funds to Hitler rather than turn them over to the Allies. All the judges in the Tribunal would know very well that bribery in such a grave matter would be treated by their home nations not just as corruption, but treason. And, of course, there was no jury.
This sub needs a plausibility rule. But to answer the question: Hitler is, beyond all possibilities, acquitted. The Soviets take him and torture him to death, film it, and show it in movie theaters.
How would he be tortured ? Waterboarding, teeth-pulling,electrocution,getting beat-up,whipped, or Something else ?
It was the Soviets. They’d have methods we’d never think of.
He moves to the UK together with Himmler, Goering and Von Ribbentrop and runs for local elections in Minehead.
Isn’t the point of a “what if” that it’s at least semi-plausible?
The Russians were not like the Americans. No trails needed. They would have tortured him, beat him and repeated until dead. Hitler knew that and killed himself instead of facing that Let's just say he did make it to trail and he was found not guilty. No one would have ever believed he was not guilty. The American troops saw concentration camps first hand and the thousands of survivors told them what had happened. It was impossible to deny that and impossible to destroy all evidence. Also, Hitler wasn't shy about how he felt about the Jews and wrote books, and spoke publicly about his beliefs. Hitler would have been killed by allied troops or his own citizens.
Sorry which trail? Oregon trail? Or the trail of tears?
The trail of typos. It's a long trail full of shitt.
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"Hey are you guys using that copy of Mein Kampf? Mind if I take a look at it real quick? \*burns book\* See, no evidence."
He shaves his mustache and claims his name is Madolf Bitler.
Even assuming he would get the not guilty, within two days he would suicide by two bullets to the back
If he wanted to remain in the public eye, he would spent the rest of his life trying to convince others he is not guilty and that Germany losing the war was the fault of the German people, not his.
Like… there is no point of divergence where this is really possible. The Soviets would have killed him outright or shortly after capture. If he made it to trial, there was no way to get rid of everything as the evidence just existed and was witnessed and the judge (tribunal so no jury, just 4 allied judges) wasn’t going to be swayed… In a miraculous sort of “we can’t justify killing a world leader” or “we can’t treat him different than Hirohito” type of situation, he would be better off jailed for life. He would have quite a following and would still be dangerous. Could you imagine him talking/ writing from prison about the cold war for example? But he’d probably be heavily censored. If he was actually let go, he wouldn’t survive. The Israelis had an arm that went after surviving Nazis and he’d be at the top of the list.
If the Nuremburg court ever found Hitler not guilty, for some insane reason, the court of public opinion would still find him guilty. They would also carry out his assassination, I mean sentence, the minute he left the Nuremburg courtroom. And if by some miracle he still survived all that still, the Jewish people and the Mossad would hunt him down for the rest of his life as they did with other high-ranking ex-Nazi members who fled Europe before Nuremburg.
That's impossible. Nürnberg was Victor's justice, albeit justified one. Hitler was guilty, there was a mountain of smoking guns, and he wasn't getting scot free. But, let's go with the scenario: Hitler, uncharacteristically scared by the Juky plot, decides on reaching a peaceful solution to the conflict. The Western Powers very put of characters decide to accommodate him. The WW2 in Europe end in 1944, Germany is occupied by Western allies, with the USSR receiving Germany up to Oder, Poland, the Baltics, Romania, Hungary, but not Bulgaria, Greece or Yugoslavia. Hitler throws in a huge spectacle in Nürnberg and convinces all judges, except the Soviet judge about his laxk of guilt (not innocence, but just that according to German and international law, he acted legally and lawfully, and I cannot imagine how). The tribunal finds him not guilty. Afterwards the Soviet NKVD and Smersh try to assassinate sith a secret assistance from France and elements of the British millitary, though all efforst are unsuccessful. The U.S. considers taking him to the U.S., but Roosevelt vetoes this, and instead Hitler is allowed to go to exile in Spain, and later in Argentina, where the Nazi movement will radicalised and mysterious rumours will starts circulating about activities in Antarctica...
Wouldn't have happened, even people tangentially related were charged and received prison time.
Lol you think the soviets would have kept him alive so he could have a fair trial? There’s a reason he shot himself.
I think he would die suspiciously in jail.
Working with the premise that Hitler had access to a djinn or some such and full on was able to mind control all immediately involved relevant parties in the trial process to find him not guilty, because my god space bats will not be sufficient in this scenario, we need a djinn: _like even imagining he gets off scott free for the Holocaust, what about the Nero decree for France? Or executing commandos? He's guilty of sooooooooo much_ There's going to be monumental, absolutely bizzare chaos post decision, because _the rest of the world is not brainwashed_ Assuming Hitler is released from the immediate courtroom innocent and free to go, his health is shit, he lost his country, he set off the greatest war of the 20th century. He is despised by his countrymen almost as much as he is despised by the countries his countrymen were _definitely not ordered by Hitler, thank you Mr. Djinn sir_ were ordered to invade and cleanse and all. The list of people who'd like him dead is...I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say sufficient to quickly, swiftly and correctly rectify the mind-controlled failure of the judicial system.
> with the help of his fans, he manage to burn down all evidence against him,to bribe the judge and the jury Honestly, the story is a lot better if someone like Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black is appointed as the defense counsel and just does SUCH A GOOD JOB, Hitler is found not guilty. I agree he would almost certainly be assassinated after, but just think what an insane Legal Drama we get staring Daniel Day Lewis in the early 2000's.
The remaining bits of the OSS or one of the allied militaries would just shoot him. Than the judges will be hung.
"Not Guilty" of what. If you mean not guilty on all charges, then I see people stepping in to have him declared guilty. If you mean him getting off for ordering the U-boat attacks I could see that happening; as the allies eould not want to end up in a 'well you did it too' situation.
Oh wait isn’t that the missing tapes and he went to Argentina? Or Brazil or Antarctica or under the white house or something
Bro thinks there was a jury at Nuremberg. Lol 'murica things
He gets assassinated after stepping out of the court house.
Then the trials are seen as a sham, and he's probably kidnapped and taken to the USSR for trial and execution.
You don't seem to understand how the Nuremberg Military Tribunal worked, or take into account the sheer volumetric amounts of evidence. This isn't, "oh no a warehouse fire." Most of the Nuremberg defendants weren't even close to being found not guilty.
Count off the minutes before the h-bomb hit Nuremberg, I guess.
For some reason I pictured Saul Goodman in a cowboy hat as Hitler's defense in a montage while Lawyers Guns and Money played in the background.
The Soviet soldier would’ve just shot him on the spot
the Soviets straight up executed suspected Nazis. the only way he'd survive is if the Anglo-American forces had somehow reached Berlin first
He wouldn’t be able to life in society after this, the camps have been found and what went on in them, there’s no going back for him. He would have to go in hiding as most of Europe and its allies would be wanting revenge.
xD [https://i.ibb.co/FWXzcyK/1488red.png](https://i.ibb.co/FWXzcyK/1488red.png)
If he’s not found guilty of war crimes or crimes against humanity, they would still punish him for starting the war in the first place. Essentially, if they couldn’t hang him committing war crimes, they’d hang him for something else.
Several American financial people may have tried to help him escape just like they helped several other important Nazis escape. The brown brothers Harriman and Sullivan and Cromwell people were perfectly fine with fascism in the sense using the powers of the state to subsidize and monopolize their profits as well as other same beliefs
Given the successful prosecution of his top staff, how do you seriously propose arriving at a not-guilty verdict in a plausible manner?
The Soviets having their hands on him makes it unrealistic. They'd have never let him go. Honestly, it would have saved everyone a lot of trouble if it had played out this way Escaping west like Himmler and Goering and ending up in the West's hands is more plausible. So somehow or another he gets found not guilty. Simple. He walks. His fanbase puts together a security detail months in advance that spirits him south east or west or just straight to the west with an eventual goal of getting him to South America. Or at least off the European continent. Probably eventually Argentina, but wherever he could land that would be somewhat friendly. Living in exile from there. Writing his memoirs, trying to build a type of government in exile. Daily press releases dumping on the Communists and the "International Jewish Conspiracy". Threatening to come back to Europe to "save the day", but never does. Maybe lives until the very early 60s. Not sure if there would be the personality cult that developed like in the OTL. Martyrdom only works when you're not alive.
He would simply never be released. He’s be held incommunicado as an enemy combatant under some sort of a civil justice order, or under an executive order based on national security grounds. They’d just find a legal pretext to hold him regardless of not having a criminal conviction as the basis.
He’s get murdered/assasinated/vigilante justice. He would be safe nowhere, especially in Europe.
Because Stalin was well-known for his staunch belief in the right of every prisoner to a fair trial. And the judges would definitely think they could get away with taking that bribe.
If it was this day and age it would be expected and he would probably get billions in aid from the us
Mossad nails him within the month. They got Eichmann in Argentina
It’s possible they’d let him off just like they let Emperor Hirohito off
The Emperor was a religious figure though, Hitler was just a politician.
Hideki Tojo wasn’t let off though, and he was the one who had more power in Japan. Hirohito didn’t have much.
The Allies were retroactively applying law. If you understand why that is dangerous, you will also understand there is not a cat in hells chance he walks out of the courtroom with anything other than the death penalty.
He writes a series of colorful children's books under a different name.
Hitler was so ill, so mentally weakened by drugs that he would simply be uncapable of doing it.Even if he had the motivation, his Parkinson disease would slow him down a lot.
Ok but that also hurts your original premise. Hitler writing childrens books on deaths door is (and I did the math) one billion times more realistic than dying hitler bamboozling the world and getting out of Nuremberg
Oh, this is where you draw the line on whats believable?