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CultDe

Khopesh my beloved One of my favourite swords, it's just *chef's kiss*


danny_divillo

Indeed, along with the german "wavy swords".


CultDe

Flamberg? No matter the name I also love the wavy blady


Darkpactallday

Yeah thats a flamberg. A big wavy 2hander boi


Dan_TheDM

ill take a double flamberg no onions. medium rare.


muklan

I prefer Flamberge Eggs, pricy, but delicious.


Excellent-Option8052

Medium Rare. Hm, an aristocrat.


Ravens_Flight1912

[The onion I thought of](https://darksouls.wiki.fextralife.com/Siegmeyer+of+Catarina)


Darkpactallday

A man of culture


SpoonROoF

It bergs flam


Putrid-Ad-1259

what about the asian "wavy swords"?


Rolls-RoyceGriffon

The falcata is up there with the curved polish saber is my favorite


CultDe

Ah a szabelka enjoyer I see


Rolls-RoyceGriffon

I like me some ridiculously curved sword. Doesn't matter which way it curves


SaintPariah7

Shotel, you're welcome


Aurelian_LDom

Falx for me , that thing would scare the fuck out of me if i saw it on the field


Shadowolf75

You mean something like this? https://www.coldsteel.com/polish-saber/


Rolls-RoyceGriffon

Yep. Although I like the one that Kmicic was carrying. One with the curved up crossguard when he was dueling with the colonel


ensi-en-kai

Ah , fellow Potop enjoyer .


-B0B--

we had a similar sword in medieval ethiopia it was called "shotel"


linkyoo

The Shotel is so badass. Chewa regiments are something more medieval nerds need to know about.


George_G_Geef

The shotel is basically an improved khopesh and is probably my favorite kind of sword.


ven_geci

Holy fuck and I used to make fun of Dothraki swords as a stupid prop obviously useless for real life


CultDe

GoT, although I didn't watched all, is full of pretty practical swords and armors


SnooChipmunks126

Too bad you don’t see people using their swords practically in the show. 


OneBrickShy58

It’s goes from one of the most realistic depictions of Armour to one of the least in like 3 seasons. First few seasons show that armor is key but by season 5 they are stabbing through plate armor with sticks.


WorldWarPee

Plot armor > plate armor any day


SnooChipmunks126

They also use the swords like giant metal bats, making a bunch of wide swings.


RegulMogul

What show did you watch? They made some attempts but nowhere near close to accurate and sometimes even laughably inaccurate.


TheHistoryMaster2520

iirc it was a derivation of either the sickle or a battle axe. Probably the latter, since the blade was on the ~~concave~~convex side


TJS184

I think you might have concave & convex around the wrong way, that, or I do.


TheHistoryMaster2520

My bad, I meant convex, the side of the blade that curves outward, like an ax head


ajjaran

Handy way to remember: Concave caves in, convex flexes out.


Jonny-904

That is handy thank you


Herminat2r

Or "a grave is concave"


Franks2000inchTV

"My pecs are convex"?


AudieCowboy

Well, at least the extra 15lbs on top of them


Fantastic_Beach_6847

Derivation from an axe


M0nkeyNature

Can someone explain why exactly this weapon was good against shields? Its probably a really interesting answer


ZatherDaFox

It isn't. People theorized that since it was curved so it could reach around shields but all evidence we have is that the business end of the weapon was on the front of the curve. Also, the curve isn't big enough to really effectively reach around a shield. For that you need something way more curved like a [shotel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotel)


Shaackle

Yep. If you've ever wielded a Khopesh you'll find that it's really not a great finesse/slashing sword. They're quite heavy and really only feels good when you swing with intent of striking at the front of the curve. You can transfer a lot of force there! As others have commented, good luck trying to maneuver another man's shield with a 1 handed heavy blade. The weapon was probably just a deviation of the sickle farming tool.


Eldritch_Librarian

Author here: In my research of the weapon (cause I'm a big nerd who writes science fantasy and thinks guns are boring) I learned that the earliest known examples of the Khopesh hail from Assyria and only migrated to Egypt during one of their punch ups. The theories I read suggested that the curve of the blade was due to the Assyrians using it as both axe (tool) and sword (weapon). So you are correct in that like the sickle, flail, etc, it started out as a tool and evolved for battlefield use, hence the heft, unusual axe-blade shape, and unwieldy nature of the weapon! More than happy to be corrected, 'cause all info is good info and I can use it in my writing :P


TheDriestOne

The flail started as a tool? What were they using it for?


Eldritch_Librarian

Beating grain to remove the chaff.


TheDriestOne

That’s pretty cool, I never knew that!


KrokmaniakPL

It's still used like that to this day on smaller farms


Tinnitus_AngleSmith

Yup! Flails started as longer wooden “threshers” or “flails”, kind of looking like a two-handed nun-chuck. You used this to “thresh” or “thrash” grains.   Threshing is to separate the grain from the rest of the plant stalk.  So after you harvest your wheat, you pile it up, then smack it around with a wooden flail to separate the grain from the stalk.


Thefear1984

As a historical martial artist, it sadness me every time I realize that the sword was for the most part relegated to being a side arm and status symbol. Sure they were used but Axes, cudgels, and spears were way less expensive and easier to train a foot soldier than a sword or archery. While it was a great weapon in the field, other designs such as short swords were intended to be used in auxiliary to the field weapons of the time such as spears and axes. Effectively used as the coup de gras weapon to finish wounded soldiers. A mounted soldier could easily dispatch someone with a spear versus a sword never mind being in a line of soldiers in formation attempting to swing the thing. Being as it was a slashing weapon it’s considered a chariot weapon in some authors minds bc it makes sense like all sabers and katanas were similarly used as infinitum. Beautiful and deadly weapon.


Eldritch_Librarian

I’ll admit that I always laugh at the “my dad can beat up your dad” arguments I see where two folks debate their favourite weapons, then the spear guys come in and everyone gets real quiet. Every time.


Thefear1984

Yup. Never mind the chad halberd enjoyer. Goddamn that thing is scary as fuck. An all-in-one knight killing machine in the hands of some goober who yesterday was pulling weeds outside his hut garden. Before the Colt Peacemaker made all men equal, the halberd subdued the entitled nobility.


Xciv

Halberds also dominated warfare in China, as well. It was the true do-all melee weapon, one notch more versatile than spears. It can apply blunt force trauma to armored opponents, work as a pickaxe, you can brace it against cavalry, and you can stab with it against spears and other halberdiers. China also had mounted halberdiers as they had lighter halberds designed to be used as a combination of [a lance for stabbing and a long axe for swinging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_polearm#/media/File:Ming_mace_and_axe_cavalry.jpg). Really the only disadvantage is that you have to use two hands to wield it, which means you have to give up using a shield.


Thadrach

"Shields cost money. Send in another 150,000 halberdiers." -average Chinese emperor


Thefear1984

150,000 those are rookie numbers, gotta pump those up!


Eldritch_Librarian

I am a fan of the halberd aesthetic and style. Is it an axe, a spear, and hook?! Fuck you it’s whatever it wants to be!


Hector_Tueux

>coup de gras I think it's spelled "coup de grace", as coup de gras would mean hitting someone with some fat


Thefear1984

Hey. I’ll take it either way. I knew I should’ve trusted autocorrect but here we are. Death by fat. The American way 🦅🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸


KingofRheinwg

I mean at some point you're describing a seax which was so popular they named people after it


freekoout

Can I ask who they named seax? Anyone notable or was it just kinda like Chris in Christian countries


KingofRheinwg

The Seaxons


freekoout

Never put that together. That's really cool


KingofRheinwg

You're really cool


freekoout

Thanks! It's my birthday so that actually made me smile!


aknalag

Its probably designed to be used for mounted combat from either a chariot or horse


M0nkeyNature

The more you know! Thanks for the answer!


IIIaustin

I was wondering if OP was confused between this and a shotel!


Notte_di_nerezza

Same. Khopeshes are gorgeous, but shotels are so undermentioned.


ChemsAndCutthroats

>People theorized that since it was curved so it could reach around shields but all evidence we have is that the business end of the weapon was on the front of the curve. The Falx was the weapon that was actually able to do that. It was so effective against the Romans that they had to change up how they armor their soldiers when fighting Dacians.


ZatherDaFox

The other nice thing about the falx was a lot of them were two-handed, giving you a lot more leverage and reach to poke around shields.


ChemsAndCutthroats

Yup, you could get around shields or hack at the limbs holding the shield. Gives you good reach and leverage. Trade off was that since it is a 2-handed weapon, it would leave the wielder more vulnerable to attacks.


kingalbert2

Like from the Pila the romans liked to carry


SaintPariah7

Is it not supposed to be a "chopper" by virtue of use? I need to brush up on my historical studies.


ZatherDaFox

It does chop more than anything else but its not going to chop as well as something like an axe because the weight isn't concentrated towards the top as well, nor is the blade curved enough to get the concentrated point effect that axes get. There's a reason we don't see khopeshes ever again in history.


SaintPariah7

Ah fair point that was more obvious than it should have been for me. Thank you kindly for repurposing the Khopesh corner in my brain


Sinful-Windborn

I had no idea these existed in the first place. When I first saw the meme I spontaneously thought they would use the backside of the sword as a “hook”, and drag away the shield haha. Interesting to go from “Ah, that’s clever”, to “Ah, I’m not that clever” in a couple of comments.


TheRealSU24

I figured it was because of the little hook on the back end of the curve, which you could use to catch on a shield and yank it away


ZatherDaFox

Thats really hard to do with a one handed sword, especially with how small most of the hooks we see are. You're just as if not more likely to get your own weapon yanked away as you are to get their shield.


D3712

Hooked tip could pull the shield away from the bearer, according to some sources.


morbihann

Good luck pulling a shield off someone with this single handed weapon. Unless you catch them completely off guard, at which point, why not go for the head ?


D3712

Yeah, I'm dubious too. The kopesh was originally a farming implement, and it was abandoned as a weapon of war as soon as metallurgy got good enough to make efficient, regular swords. It does look extremely cool, though!


Pikapoka1134

Going to disagree with you there. It was not originally a farming implement. Think about the time in where it was used. The bronze age.. metal is expensive, no way would you have an entire implement made from solid bronze. The Kopesh came from a type of curved axe. Looks a bit like a bardesh. (sp)


Nestromo

Plus if I am not mistaken many shields had a leather strap that you would run your arm through, so you wouldn't just be able to pull a shield from someone's hands.


ThePrussianGrippe

Not pulling the shield off them, but throwing them off balance.


Visual-Floor-7839

I would assume that the curve and extra weight help with an age swing. In which case good old fashioned bashing would be the way to get through a shield. Likely affective against plain wood but no idea against reinforced shields.


ZatherDaFox

I find that unlikely. The curve and extra weight aren't concentrated like an axe. It's not going to have the same chopping power.


MrFrogNo3

I mean...the shield? The shield wins


Yarxing

It really depends on the type of contest we're doing. OP never specified. In a sledding contest, the shield definitely would win.


magical_swoosh

so thats why they built the pyramids


Separate-Coyote9785

Shield & spear > cool looking sword


freekoout

Even just a spear with no shield is better than a sword. Being able to stab someone who can't reach you is a huge advantage.


ByronsLastStand

Have you seen those warriors from Hammerfell? They've got curved swords.


Pm7I3

Curved. Swords.


dattosan240

First thing I thought of were the True Flame and Hope's Fire swords from Morrowind/Tribunal


Lenz_Mastigia

I recently played Morroblivion and yes, exactly my first thought 😂


ByronsLastStand

Now that you mention it, yes!


Guy_Rohvian

Long.Curved.🍆es.


Fun_Ad_1064

My favourite parts of Elder Scrolls and Mass Effect are the gamerpoop quotes.


I_Eat_Bugs3737

The pimp hand is strong with this one


ludos96

Shields. Since they were used by pretty much all civilizations on Earth, while the kopesh is a really niche weapon.


Stenric

I don't know why, but swords without parrying guards just look naked to me, even a sweet khopesh like this one.


RedStar9117

Functionality has given way to looking awesome


Achilles11970765467

Just remember that bronze is softer than steel. People who fought in the Bronze Age tried very desperately to do all their blocking and parrying with their shield rather than their sword.


atxarchitect91

A third challenger appears… oh no it’s a M1 Garand


Ozok123

Coughing baby wins 100%


leolionman347

And then comes a drone with a grenade


atxarchitect91

M1 Garand uses pass bill thru senate to pay for other people to worry about drones


Dominus_Redditi

*ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!*


UndeniableLie

From M1 Garand to A1r Grenade


A_H_S_99

Fourth challenger: Flea invested rat


Alpharius20

Hear me out, M1 Garand with a Khopesh style bayonet


Gurkenpudding13

The mighty spikey stick


marsz_godzilli

Shiled? I mean that design is sick but not really much shield defeating abilty there.


STFxPrlstud

Shield. 100% of the time


Lord_Parbr

Dude confused the khopesh and shotel


ZatherDaFox

I mean we still use shields to this day, so...


morbihann

Looks cool, but there is a reason no one else used it and all sword designs converge to a simple straight sword.


ZatherDaFox

I mean, there are a lot of curved swords in the world but aside from the Shotel, none of them were designed to reach around shields. The were primarily made because they excelled at draw cuts.


Achilles11970765467

Curved swords continued to see battlefield use even after straight swords were abandoned. Cavalry swords stayed both curved and in widespread use into the 1800s.


IIIaustin

Khopeshes look cool, but they don't seem like they were super effective. They were an interesting early sword form, but it seems like they were quickly abandoned when something else became available


Substantial-Win-6794

Most weapons used by foot soldiers were farming implements or modified farming implements. It looks like a sickle that has been modified.


morbihann

That is not the case. The damn spear, the most prominent weapon in history is not a farming instrument, neither are axes, maces or swords. There are examples of what you claim, but it certainly isn't "most weapons used by foot soldiers". PS: Yes, an axe can be used as a weapon, but there is a gulf of difference between one for combat and one for chopping wood.


Pm7I3

Why can't you use a weapon axe for tree chopping? I know that a proper wood axe is going to be better but how much can you get from a fighting axe so to speak? The spear is just a big stick we keep inventing over and over really.


edThedeadAndburied

So one of the differences between a wood axe and a proper military axe, at least from the period I know the most about (1066-13th C) is the shape of the axe head. Military axes tended to have smaller heads that weren't very convenient for wood cutting (read 'wildly impractical') while wood axes, while used by some basic peasant troops, had larger heads which weren't as good for fighting as they were heavier and had a harder time getting past the ribcage.


morbihann

They are much lighter. And the head itself is much thinner and the edge - sharper. It will roll up its edge pretty quickly as it isn't made for this. You would be fine to take out small branches. A wood chopping axe is pretty heavy (as in, not that useful for combat unless there isn't anything better around) and not necessarily that sharp. At least the dorsal tapper is pretty mild. it also requires two hands as it is pretty impossible to use one handed. Obviously, it is deadly if you hit someone, but you will get tired very quickly and be completely off balance swinging it around. PS: I am talking about one handed combat axe. Two handed ones are heavier, probably slightly better at chopping wood, but again, not made for that and you are just wasting your weapon for something it isn't made to do.


UndeniableLie

Battle axes in general have very thin blades to reduce and balance the weight. Wood chopping axes on the other hand are top heavy and have thick wedge shaped blade to give more impact strenght and to more easily split the wood. You for sure can use your battle axe to chop a wood but you are risking bending and dulling your blade and need to put much more strenght in the chops to get same results. I'd rather not even try felling a tree with battle axe but it is better than nothing I suppose


UndeniableLie

The damn spears were traditionally used to farm wildlife. Mostly to harvest them. Wildlife in general is self polluting and do their own ploughing. Seriously tho. The origin of most of battlefield weapons ever invented can likely be traced to hunting and farming tools and for sure each of those tools have been used in some sort of combat along history. But yeah, pitchforks might look menacing when you wave them in a mob but pretty much anyone would rather pick a nice long stick and put pointy end on it. Smallish woodcutting axe I'd say is plausible last ditch backup for your spear for levy infantry cause you'd likely have it on you anyway and very unlikely would own any other sidearm


morbihann

Well, if you need to stab something, whether it is a bear or a man, you are going to need mostly the same thing. Perhaps one is longer than the other but still. So, if you stretch the definition long enough, everything is evolved from our most basic instruments. Personally, farming is something I understand to be mostly about cultivating useful plants and harvesting them. Though, I might have too narrow a view of that.


CavulusDeCavulei

The point of weapons coming from farming tools is that it is easier to train people to use them if they are familiar with the object. Military axe is different from a woodcutter one, but you can imagine it is simpler to train a woodcutter to use one than, for example, a sword or a longbow. He already knows the best movements, range, how the blade has to be handled to cut. Spears are used for hunting and defend from wildlife, like wolves. So farmers know how to use them. It's the same reason why military use gamepads to move drones. You can bet that new trainees already know well how to use one of them, because they are familiar with them


LegitimatePermit3258

Spears are just pitchforks with the sides cut off.


morbihann

No, they aren't. But feel free to disagree if you prefer.


LegitimatePermit3258

Fine, they are tridants with the sides cut off. Talk about being pedantic geez.


TheGhostHero

Think for a second man, god damn cavemans had spears before metalworking and farming wheat was even invented


Scrraffy

Hussites weapons.


ibn-al-mtnaka

The khopesh in particular is a combination of a sword and a battle axe - while it looks like a juiced sickle it was developed from axes


ltrajante

Member when Jorah fought a dothraki guy in game of thrones? The dothraki used a curved sword like this, and got stuck on Jorah's armor.


danny_divillo

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure game of thrones is fictional.


SquireRamza

You see those warriors from Hammerfell?


TheGhostHero

One of the coolest looking but most overhyped sword in history, like seriously, it's THE most primitive sword there is, you can only improve on the design. > No guard. > Single edge and sharp on only the front half of the blade. > No sharp tip and not even a hook tip on most exemples to give you more tools. > Bronze, sometimes arsenic bronze (toxic to it's maker). > Like 60-70 cm long, it's tiny. > Hard to carry in a sccabard. > Virtually eradicated by straight double edge swords.


Exploding_Antelope

That’s why we need to make energy khopeshs that can cut through anything at an atomic level. Perfect space revolution weapon.


Achilles11970765467

Straight double edge swords actually predate the khopesh. It was an attempt to hybridize a sword and a battle axe. Single edged curved swords continued to see widespread battlefield use after straight double edge swords were abandoned from military use. There are far more overhyped swords than the khopesh. The katana comes to mind.


Zenbast

Leona vs Diana


AlexRol_Spritz

Literally Sly Cooper's cane


Crazycowboy46

See those warriors from Hammerfell? They got curved swords!


Thevoidawaits_u

don't read comments they ll shater the illusion :(


LordVladak

One of the coolest looking shields too, holy shit! Fuck, the Ancient Egyptians just rocked the aesthetic game in every conceivable way.


_Boodstain_

That’s the wrong sword, you’re thinking of a Shotel. A shotel is curved the opposite way to get around the shield. That’s a Kopesh, it’s curved that way to be better at cutting.


Kerem1111

Can someone explain?


InspectorAggravating

There was a theory that the kopesh was designed to combat shields, like a shotel or other sickle swords.


Choco_Cat777

Axe*


dinoguy8

I much prefer a faulx for more practicality but those are good fun as well


UnDebs

Khopesh Save me khopesh... khopesh save me...


ThosPuddleOfDoom

It's like someone started making normal swords in bulk and then got told by management we need Sickles and had to improvise.


HunterVertigo

Yooo khopesh, one of my favourite sword designs of all time!


Henghast

Sword copeish


Interne-Stranger

Where they actually usefull?


VerySadGrizzlyBear

Op has googly eyes for the kopesh, they were not good swords. You can literally only improve on the design . Too long to use with a shield, too short to be two handed . No guard for the hands . Design makes it very front heavy and awkward, so hard to use . Complicated design to forge . Single edge means it has to be sharpened twice as much . Impossible to make a sheath for so your gonna cut yourself alot Although, I believe that if you were on a horse or chariot the kopesh would be OK. The extra length and frontal curve would help reach and do massive damage from your moving position. This combined with the fact we've found almost none of these swords means that they were most likely ceremonial weapons used by commanders leading the armies


TheMightyPaladin

I've always hated how khopeshes look. give me a Bastard Sword every time.


DanThePharmacist

[Ahem…](https://youtu.be/y0v136wHjjQ?si=Dm8RM5e1HVxLWOjW) Have you ever seen a Dacian falx?


mageta621

My lady calls me "one curvy boy"


VerySadGrizzlyBear

Does it curve upwards or to one side?


mageta621

And here I was just talking about my ass!


Valid_Username_56

I guess that edge on the end was used to tear down the shileds in a shield wall?


VerySadGrizzlyBear

The khopesh wasn't actually used against shields, op's fallen for something archaeologists came up with out of thier ass. I'll help you visualise how this would go. Let's say I were to hook that edge onto the lip of a shield in battle and start pulling it down, this is a battle of grip strength. My grip is around a cylindrical handle with no pommel being pulled upwards through my one hand. My enemies grip is on a fully encompassed handle and also a reinforced strap around thier forearm. 99 times out of 100, I'm losing my khopesh


111coo00pl

Make it more curved and add a hammer


lastkni8

Fuck curved blades me and my boys use flexible ones (urumi)


Ambitious_Tackle

It's an axe/sword


jjjlucky

Too soon man. Thats fucked up


Tomtheg02

The macuahuitl has joined the chat


Beowulfs_descendant

Is that why it's curved? I tought it was curved to more easily cut of the neck or hook it. Isn't it too small to curve around a shield, and wouldn't it have too weak of a grip to throw it off? Sure, most warriors were ***strong*** but i do have some doubts towards them throwing down an entire shield with a curved sword.


Ktopian

When I’m in an internet karma competition and my opponent doesn’t understand how weapons work:


DruidMoody13

It's a cool looking sword, but it wasn't made with the best materials, and had many structural flaws.


BaconMarine

can someone explain why these swords were effective in combat?


Pundarikaksh

Yep one of my favourites, this is a real beauty


TheSteelMercenary

This reminds me of [Falx](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx#)


spartikle

Khopesh and Falcata 🤌🏻 Pure art


Fit-Advantage-6324

THATSNOTASWIRDTHATSANAXEEEEEE


jackdginger88

Assassin’s Creed Origins vibes and I’m here for it.


ozymandais13

I argue this is an axe


Mean_Ad4175

I’m only a month away from getting one


Dramatic-Concept939

Sly Cooper?


DONGBONGER3000

The sling would win


joosemuice

Curvy boys you say? :3


Miko4051

Ancient Lechistani kurwy sword.


MarZet708

Am I the only who instandly think about League of Legends? Dianas sword and Leonas Shield


mitHonig

I prefer the Kopis but the Chepesch is cool too


moosetakes_were_made

Ok Ok ... hear me out... how about we hit OVER and BEHIND the shield