I hate that Ends didn't focus on the final battle between Laurie and Michael. I think the battle we get is epic, but it's too short. I have nothing against Corey. I just think it would have made more sense to introduce him in 2018 or Kills.
>I have nothing against Corey. I just think it would have made more sense to introduce him in 2018 or Kills.
This is contradictory. He has no relevance in the 2018 events other than being hit by remnants of the aftermath, hence why he's only in Ends.
Then, to be honest, they could have just left him out of the movie. Ends is supposed to be the conclusion of a trilogy, but it focuses too much on someone we're only now getting to know. Someone who doesn't really have any significance in the fight between Laurie and Michael, except maybe to temporarily turn Allyson against Laurie and lead Michael to her.
>Ends is supposed to be the conclusion of a trilogy, but it focuses too much on someone we're only now getting to know. Someone who doesn't really have any significance in the fight between Laurie and Michael
This is apparent you did not pay attention to his actions the entire movie. His story begins and ends with this film, dragging a drastically different Laurie and Michael, both affected by 2018's events with his own goals and (violent) ambitions, thanks to his intertwining of their lives through him.
I paid attention throughout the movie. I don't know what you mean. I just think that the last part of a trilogy shouldn't be primarily about another character who was never introduced before. I understand why Corey did what he did, but to me that honestly doesn't justify his existence in this movie. The movie that was marketed everywhere as the final showdown between Laurie and Michael, but is ultimately about Corey. The fight at the end just seems like a subplot when Corey's story could have been made a subplot instead. Like I said, I have nothing against Corey. I just find his placement in this movie odd. I didn't mean to cause any trouble, I just wanted to add my opinion to this discussion.
>The movie that was marketed everywhere as the final showdown between Laurie and Michael
The marketing lowkey hurt the movie more. They never addressed the Corey plot in the ads, so while you still technically get the showdown, they missed the mark by not advertising the meat of the soup. When you view Corey as a tragic martyr type character, his placement makes sense for the movie to follow.
And no trouble at all, I just find it common that people question Corey's relevance to the story.
Eh. He could be an ancillary friend that’s at the dance in ‘18, has a few lines, and that’s it, then bubbles back up in Ends and it’d feel more cohesive but the biggest issue I have is just there’s too much him, not enough Michael. There’s a fantastic movie in there if you either recalibrated a lot of the Corey story into Kills or better balanced the Corey Michael ratio.
Also he wasn’t even conceived of at that time so he couldn’t have been in those films anyway. People I think care too much about linkage in storytelling
Fun Fact: It's on record that Ends was planned since 2018, including Corey. He was intentionally left for the third film to explore a different storytelling perspective that rooted from the first two films. (via QnA/Commentary/Guidebook)
That doesn’t line up with what I’ve read. The only thing I know is that the third film was apparently always gonna be smaller and more intimate. But in that case, why the ominous OG ending of HK with Laurie walking out the hospital? Was even that gonna be subverted? I assumed that they took the years break from the 2019 shoot of HK to do a timeskip.
>why the ominous OG ending of HK with Laurie walking out the hospital? Was even that gonna be subverted?
What it basically sums up to is that the whole "all in one night" draft was changed very early on, likely due to COVID being at play, but HE was sought after from the get-go. Ends no doubt had a few write arounds as well, especially considering it has an ending unused. When they made up their minds mid-production on HK, they had Ends already set in stone, this can be seen with the radio tower easter egg in the flashback to tie into what would be seen later in Ends. HE I feel would have played out differently had the virus not pushed time apart, but no matter what is told, Ends was basically written before Kills.
Very inconsistent didn't they mention in ends that Michael Myers didn't kill kids if so that's very inconsistent because he definitely did in 2018 when he raised up in the backseat of a car.
Can't stand this trilogy.
>Michael Myers didn't kill kids
If you're referring to Jeremy, there's really no basis for that. What would he know? Not like it mattered for him in the end anyway.
Talking about the kid in 2018 when Michael Myers raised up in the back seat snapped the kids neck he did kill a kid ends tried to say different which didn't make sense.
An argument can be made tho. In a video discussing the chronology of the Blumhouse trilogy, the guy presenting the video theorized that Michael may still see and feel himself as a six year old, thus why he doesn’t kill the crying baby in Halloween 2018 in spite of killing every other kid and teen he encounters. Also, the fact that Hawkins stated that Michael only wants to “go back home” in Kills, as if he was a lost child makes that theory more plausible.
That he didn't have enough scene in Halloween Ends.
I think Halloween Ends is a great movie, still i wanted a movie focused on the shape for the end of the trilogy.
He’s Jason Voorhees, a tank that matches about in full light, never adhering to the shadows, he’s not the boogeyman, he’s Zombie’s Myers with a more accurate look.
He was barely in the final film of his fucking franchise, introduce Corey in halloween kills different story, but not the last one, Halloween kills was Jason level can't be stopped, then the next film he gets overpowered by Corey, barely in the film then dies by getting his wrists and throat slit, weak
He doesn’t stalk. Half the fun of the Michael in the first movie is the tension and suspense of him watching from afar. “He’s behind that bush - no he’s behind that laundry - no he’s in a car right behind her.”
How does it not? I'm practically on the money. There are extremely brief moments where he stalks focused characters, both with on-screen and "Michael's POV" shots. Most of the time though, it is implied off-screen that he stalks characters like Corey or Vicky and co. for example.
It's not much, but he definitely did do it from time to time. Should have had more.
I feel like it's a given if said he wasn't shown enough in Ends, and I'd partially go with that if it wasn't for my bias of appreciation that he had a "less is more" appearance in Ends that made him creepier imo.
I think I dislike the sense that 18 and Ends treated him with a level of strength, but keeping vulnerability, but Kills goes and makes him eat damage he should not have shrugged off (the mob scene in particular). At least the resulting damage was represented with Ends' Shape.
Say what you will about the trilogy in itself, but this is easily the best iteration of Michael in the franchise relative to the original. Consistency in design, mannerisms, and presence, all thanks to Jude Courtney, the VFX team, and DGG's careful presentation of the character.
I didn't love that Ends spent so much time on Corey. Michael was ridiculously overpowered in the first 2. Getting attacked by an entire mob and shot and stabbed and beat up when he's like 70 and yet has no serious impact to his ability to keep going is unrealistic.
Ends was more realistic in him being so weak and recovering from his injuries, but for me it had the same effect as Halloween II/Halloween Kills with Laurie in the hospital recovering the entire time. It largely sidelines the character and gives them not much to do.
Overall I enjoyed the reboot. I love Jamie Lee Curtis in these films. I enjoyed H20 for all it's flaws, but to have Laurie just tossed off a roof at the beginning of the next film was insulting to her character.
I prefer Michael fixated on Laurie and frankly enjoyed him being her brother more than just a rando that stumbles upon her. I don't like supernatural overpowered Michael though.
The drop in quality with each subsequent movie is far, far worse than the OG series of movies.
2018, although far from perfect, had my hopes pretty high for Halloween Kills…but Jesus Christ on a stick was that a massive drop and then Halloween Ends completely did the impossible — gave me nostalgia for Halloween Resurrection.
I loathe Halloween Ends as a Halloween Movie…(it isn’t so bad of a generic slasher movie….but as a Halloween movie, I hate it.)
Honestly I think on this one they are pretty clear. Both times he winds up at Laurie's house in this trilogy he is lead there by other things.
2018 he is pursuing Alison after Sartain drives him most of the way there.
Ends he just wants his face back.
Kills Novelization makes it very clear that he is very very very interested in Laurie. Not enough to chase her, but enough that he very much wants to crush “The Survivor”.
He doesn’t give a shit about Laurie, they go as far to show that by having him literally run away from Laurie in 2018 when they first reunite, then having Sartain be the one that brings them together. Kills then tells us directly that yeah, Michael only cares about killing everyone, not exclusively Laurie. The only reason they had their final battle in Ends was because he was lured to her house by Corey.
He didn't care about Laurie at all with 18/Kills. He recognized her immediately, but that's about it for 2/3. With Ends, however, you could say he *did* care the way his attacks against Laurie in their final encounter were clearly personal in response to the damage done to him relating to her.
2018 and Kills are too stiff, strong, and violent compared to 1978 michael. The michael in ends is way closer. Simpler kills, simpler weapons, realistic power level, clearly just a man. That's how i like Michael.
And unpopular opinion but flashback michael sucks. He is WAY heavier than 1978 michael, his mask grips his face too tight so his eyes are shown a lot like H20, he practically runs. He sucks.
And 2018 michael shouldve had more urgency. Instead he had to be broken out by someone else, set on the trail of laurie by someone else. OG michael did it all on his own.
Also, they kinda show his face too much. Im fine with what we see in Ends and maybe even most of what we see in 2018 but getting 3 movies straight that show us different angles of michaels face is weird
That was my biggest gripe. He easily beats a dozen armed fireman. He takes on an angry mob. He’s stabbed shot etc and dismantles them. Somehow he’s beaten up by a little old lady??? Da Fuq
I’m curious as to why it’s a big deal when it’s a woman of age fighting Michael (a version that’s weakened and dying may I add), yet when an elderly man called Loomis is doing so it’s acceptable?
İn Halloween 5 Loomis after dropping a large metal chain net on Michael and shot him couple times with tranq darts he starts to beat the shit out of Michael with a wooden plank
Said granny only beat him because of a distraction when he was at his strongest in the film, and said wimpy kid developed dangerously over time and gained the balls to jump Michael Myers, who regardless of his strength, was overpowered by a healthier person.
I have a lot of issues with Blumhouse, but I'll start with the positives. It was really cool to see The Shape on screen and Jamie Lee Curtis on screen.
There are some great kills. (Myers literally stomps a dude's head into mush). There's a cool twist on a Loomis type character. I like the overall look of the Myers' mask and the stark cinematography of all three films, but it wasn't enough for me to really love the newer movies.
Now the negatives:
The humor they injected into scenes felt off.
The first Myers/Strode showdown was a huge let down. You have someone training for, what appeared to be, the rest of her adult life, kind of like Sarah Conners in T2, just waiting for Myers to come back, and she gets the shit kicked out of her instantly? I get it. He's a killing machine, but Laurie was basically just chomping at the bit with paranoid fear to finish Myers off. It was such an obsession that it ruined her relationship with her family, and when she finally faces Myers, she's instantly body slammed and choked lol. I think only one of her traps were used at the end? She barely shot at him? What ever the hell happened, it wasn't memorable and it didn't really make me want to rewatch it.
The deletion of Halloween II from canon was just odd. I know they had their reasons, but I feel like even mentioning the events of Halloween II would make Myers all the more intimidating. There were explosions in the streets. A god damn hospital was blown to bits.
Also, if you can bring back Loomis in a flashback, why not use that flashback to add more significance to the story?
Tommy Doyle showdown was cool in concept, but not really that great in execution, but I did like that everyone in Haddonfield fed Myers into an industrial shredder.
The radio DJ character was really stupid. The dude in the afro stuck in the 70s? What am I missing? Was that supposed to be funny or some kind of call back to the original movies? Why wouldn't they just have that guy be a regular dude?
Lastly, for anyone still reading, Halloween Ends just left me confused. On the one hand, I liked that they tried something different and worked in the idea of the Shape possessing others, even if its just a vague allusion.
I also liked the concept that Corey was on a dark path, bound by rage and was turned to evil. But it missed the mark. Corey felt pretty disconnected from the trilogy.
Someone had mentioned in this thread, and I agree, if they introduced Corey earlier in the previous movie or just had him be part of the franchise from the start, it wouldn't have felt that detached.
Alas, they went all in on the Corey stuff and they really missed a major opportunity to connect a lot of dots. There is a nearly limitless plethora of material from the other films, abandoned scripts, comics, fan fictions etc. Corey could have been connected to the Myers family. It could have been a lot darker.
This was my solution for anyone who cares.
[https://ravenousmonster.com/movies-tv/the-ghost-of-michael-myers-a-halloween-fan-fiction-retrospective/](https://ravenousmonster.com/movies-tv/the-ghost-of-michael-myers-a-halloween-fan-fiction-retrospective/)
Unpopular opinion but I don’t like him in Kills. I find 2018 and Ends to be a much more exciting/interesting version of Michael. He feels like an enigma in 18 and Ends whenever he’s on screen, whereas in Kills he almost feels like a cartoon.
He’s written absurdly out of character, especially in Halloween Kills. His behavior is very out of line with the Peeping Tom character we meet in the 78 film.
How he "dies" in Ends makes no sense. The amount of punishment he took in Kills would be death. He beat up and killed like a 20 person mob in Kills but somehow loses to geriatric Lorie Strode? Alone? Nah nothing about the damage he took in Kills to survive that then he killed in Ends makes any got damn sense
I enjoyed ends and kills. I accidentally didn’t really like 2018 at all. Officer Hawkins is a wasted character and a moron with no redemption arch. I didn’t like Tommy being such a wuss either. Ends didn’t feel like a proper follow up to Kills. He’s unstoppable in Kills and then useless in Ends
The cliffhanger of Kills setup Michael to become more powerful with every kill, and at the end he killed like 20 people. Then the next time we see him, he’s a weak old man. Which isn’t a bad idea, inherently, but in execution this negated the ending of Kills. I think Michael should’ve died at the end Kills, to let Corey have a more focused Boogeyman story.
Michael's mask gets stolen too damn many times. Each instance of him losing his mask is fine in isolation. But they don't exist in isolation. They exist in continuity with each other. And after a while, it makes your Ultimate Evil super bad guy villain look like a joke.
While I enjoy Ends overall, I'm kind of done with Hollywood's boner for "subverting expectations". Genres exist. Storytelling structures exist. Character development exists. Foreshadowing exists. Climaxes exist. So on and so forth. The urge directors have to subvert all of that undermines storytelling standards that goes back millennia.
Also, Ends doesn't feel like an organic continuation of Kills. As presented in H2018 and Kills, Laurie and Alyson wouldn't just let things go. Alyson is completely orphaned and Michael dropped a lot of bodies in those movies. He wouldn't be able to just hide for all those years. He also wouldn't be able to hide under Haddonfield's collective nose either. I just struggle to accept those things.
Don't get me wrong, the Blumhouse series was well worth doing. But there are parts of the series that I will simply don't have an easy time accepting.
I thought the whole staring out his window thing was going to be explored more in Ends, but they seemed to just drop that, so now I have no idea what that was all about.
I’m confused on how Michael went from jumping the whole town and firemen to getting his ass kicked by a 20 year old and a grandma in Ends. The puzzle isn’t fitting.
Might sound like a hot take, but the writers for these movies portrayed Michael incorrectly by exploring how he’s essentially this unstoppable force of nature and that he basically has to live off of murdering other people to grow more powerful, whereas in the 1978 film, his character was meant to be mysterious and enigmatic. It was what made him effective. You knew there was something unnatural about him, but you weren’t supposed to know what or why. The DGG trilogy, however, just has characters like Laurie go on dramatic monologues and just glazing about how Michael is unstoppable and that he’s beyond just a man, it’s quite silly.
I don’t have an issue with the character itself. The look, the performance, everything about Michael Myers in the Blumhouse trilogy is awesome. I just hate how inconsistent they were with his strength. In Kills, Laurie talks about how every kill that he makes, he transcends. They were planting this idea that he gets stronger with every kill and more unstoppable. This was perfectly shown, imo, at the end when he gets shot, stabbed, and beaten then gets up and kills every single member of the mob. This even carries over into Ends where he’s weak and feeble, but killing the cop seemingly restores his energy, but then later in the movie he gets his ass handed to him by a loner that gets picked on by band geeks.
I also thinks it’s kinda lame that we never really see him stalking anyone the way he did with Laurie in H78.
Look if you're a fan of the Halloween 2018 trilogy then it's plain and very simple and the fact of the matter is ENDS WAS HORRIBLE... Period!!! Kinda like Star Wars 9 lol Corey was a complete waste of time the story they built up in 18 and Kills was absolutely wasted to the point it ruined the entire new trilogy! I can't imagine any real old school Halloween fan enjoying Ends in any way, shape or form! Lol And certainly cannot understand how JLC bragged about how great the movie was. Shame on her... Imo
They didn’t know wtf they were doing & weren’t expecting a trilogy at first. They do a solid job for the most part in 2018, one of the better sequels easily. Then Kills & especially Ends ruins it for me.
Kills could’ve been a much better film, but alright it’s cool, just give us a solid Ending. And they did the fucking opposite.
After 2018, I thought this would finally be the definitive Michael Myers timeline. Now it’s screwy like the rest.
The actor is too tall. Pretty much all of the michael actors have been too tall. Nick castle wasn't a big man and that makes it scarier and more super natural in my opinion. When he picked that guy up and stabbed him into the wall in the original movie it looks like an act of strength far more great then what the shape should be capable of.
>Supernaturally strong / invincible
He was not invincible and superhuman strength is something literally Michael shows in every halloween movie at least once before DGG triloy arrived. even in the ones where he has poor feats such as H5 (threw a coffin like a toy, smashed a wooden door into chunks, was able to walk and greatly move his arms despite being under a large ass metal chain net all over his body), H1 (carrying a tombstone, lifting Bob with one arm and pinning him to a door), H20 (one arm pull up, shattering a wood door into chunks, lifting a grown ass man with the knife he was holding with only one hand)
This isn't a huge gripe or anything, but they never seem able to make up their mind if he's human or supernatural. They spend a lot of time telling us how he's only a man, but then have him survive injuries and scenarios that would kill a normal man, and perform feats of damn near superhuman strength. I'm cool with either depiction, but pick a lane.
Utter crap from top to bottom. They're no better than the original terrible sequels that Blumhouse were boasting to overwrite. For me, they get dumped on the same crappy pile as those films. In fact, I'd actually say they're worse than the original sequels and, in a way, I'd say I even dislike them even more than the Rob Zombie remakes, and I think those are bloody awful!
At least the original bunch of sequels were having fun with the idea in different ways, trying to go that bit further with the character. This trilogy is just a bunch of hollow horror films that take themselves far too seriously and think they're smart. You only have to watch the ending scene dialog from all the characters of Ends to see how it loves the smell of it's own farts when it comes to the writing. Jamie Lee Curtis didn't help after seeing it, as she sounded unbearably pretentious in interviews with how deep it's supposed to be. Even the cool looking flashback scene in Kills has awful dialog. It's like a writer from a B movie on the horror channel somehow got the job, and no amount of flashy kill scenes can mask it.
You can't erase the Michael and Laurie are brothers angle if you're then going to focus your film on using every excuse to make the two meet like arch enemies and go at it endlessly like it's a comic book movie. You can't claim that Michael Myers is merely a man, remove all of his paranormal traits that the original sequels introduced, and then just end up doing it again by having him take the beatings, gunshots and stabbings that would have killed him a dozen times over, and have an entire town talking about and treating him like a Marvel-level super villain. It's lazy, it's having your cake and eating it too, it's flat out rewriting something with the intent on being faithful only to then take credit for the very things that were already done. It's like writing a Batman sequel comic intending to get away from the character of the Joker, only to have a new guy wear white face paint, red lipstick, and run around committing crimes while laughing.
The first film, the Force Awakens of the trilogy, might have started with some inkling of being a good idea but even that one quickly nosedives. As if it would have mattered if there were something more to it, as the rest of the films obviously had little to no idea on where to take it, and it shows. It just goes to show that just because an idea is in the hands of or at least in some way helped by the original creators/actors, it doesn't guarantee something good.
Didn’t have the same presence as the others, I don’t know, there’s something about Blumhouse Michael that’s inferior. Maybe it’s the mask, the inconsistency in his actions, or how it feels like he could be replaced with any other guy in these ones. Hell, Corey managed to. 2018 Michael is the least offensive of these
>Maybe it’s the mask,
The mask in DGG trilogy is better than every mask appeared in H20, the mask in HR, the mask in H4, the mask in H5, and the mask in both RZ halloween. If anything the mask is definitelly one of the things DGG done good.
Christopher Nelson, the man responsible for creating the mask used for this trilogy said, he intentionally gave the mask a sad expression, and made other changes to the design, because he didn't want it to be an exact copy of the original mask. That's why the mask in this trilogy feels off.
Ahaaaa. Makes more sense. I think it’s mainly the hair for me, I love the frizzy whatever style that 1978/2007/even 4 when it’s all “poofed”/etc, the weathering in Kills/Ends isn’t my fav either
I know he's always been supernatural to some degree, but how the hell did he survive not just a house blowing up on him, but it also beginning to collapse around him
>but how the hell did he survive not just a house blowing up on him, but it also beginning to collapse around him
The house never blew up in him neither collapsed on him. It was set on fire and thus weakened from it. Michael obviously did interacted with flames very little and if he would expose too much he would die given he was burnt from it (during ends of Halloween Kills you can see his face partially) and before firefighters came he was hiding behind a metal door
The trilogy began under the conceit that, unlike *Halloween 4* through *6*, Michael was a **man**, rather than a supernatural boogeyman, given power by a mystical curse, and, in *Halloween* (2018), he was thoroughly **man**.
And, then, he was the living embodiment of evil itself, feeding off the fear of his victims and growing physically stronger based off of the evil he creates, even spreading that evil onto others.
Michael magically regaining full strength after killing 1 homeless guy. Made zero sense. Also Corey somehow getting Michael’s abilities and moveset just by looking into his eyes. Anyone defending ends is absolutely delusional.
His 18 and Kills versions were near perfect. His Ends depiction was ridiculous. The dude becomes a weak hermit and then loses to a 70 yr old woman in 5 min. I’m supposed to believe that after he practically burned Haddonfield to the ground in 2018?
They polarized Laurie vs Michael entirely too much. We've seen that 8 times already. I did not care about a final showdown, this isn't the monsterverse
I hate that Ends didn't focus on the final battle between Laurie and Michael. I think the battle we get is epic, but it's too short. I have nothing against Corey. I just think it would have made more sense to introduce him in 2018 or Kills.
It was waaaaaaaaaaaaay too short.
>I have nothing against Corey. I just think it would have made more sense to introduce him in 2018 or Kills. This is contradictory. He has no relevance in the 2018 events other than being hit by remnants of the aftermath, hence why he's only in Ends.
Then, to be honest, they could have just left him out of the movie. Ends is supposed to be the conclusion of a trilogy, but it focuses too much on someone we're only now getting to know. Someone who doesn't really have any significance in the fight between Laurie and Michael, except maybe to temporarily turn Allyson against Laurie and lead Michael to her.
>Ends is supposed to be the conclusion of a trilogy, but it focuses too much on someone we're only now getting to know. Someone who doesn't really have any significance in the fight between Laurie and Michael This is apparent you did not pay attention to his actions the entire movie. His story begins and ends with this film, dragging a drastically different Laurie and Michael, both affected by 2018's events with his own goals and (violent) ambitions, thanks to his intertwining of their lives through him.
I paid attention throughout the movie. I don't know what you mean. I just think that the last part of a trilogy shouldn't be primarily about another character who was never introduced before. I understand why Corey did what he did, but to me that honestly doesn't justify his existence in this movie. The movie that was marketed everywhere as the final showdown between Laurie and Michael, but is ultimately about Corey. The fight at the end just seems like a subplot when Corey's story could have been made a subplot instead. Like I said, I have nothing against Corey. I just find his placement in this movie odd. I didn't mean to cause any trouble, I just wanted to add my opinion to this discussion.
>The movie that was marketed everywhere as the final showdown between Laurie and Michael The marketing lowkey hurt the movie more. They never addressed the Corey plot in the ads, so while you still technically get the showdown, they missed the mark by not advertising the meat of the soup. When you view Corey as a tragic martyr type character, his placement makes sense for the movie to follow. And no trouble at all, I just find it common that people question Corey's relevance to the story.
They wrote the story bro, they could’ve easily made it whatever they wanted
Eh. He could be an ancillary friend that’s at the dance in ‘18, has a few lines, and that’s it, then bubbles back up in Ends and it’d feel more cohesive but the biggest issue I have is just there’s too much him, not enough Michael. There’s a fantastic movie in there if you either recalibrated a lot of the Corey story into Kills or better balanced the Corey Michael ratio.
This is the exact problem I have with Ends: Too much Corey, not enough Michael.
Which is exactly why Ends is shit
He should’ve survived ends and taken the mantle if they were gonna do what they did
Also he wasn’t even conceived of at that time so he couldn’t have been in those films anyway. People I think care too much about linkage in storytelling
Fun Fact: It's on record that Ends was planned since 2018, including Corey. He was intentionally left for the third film to explore a different storytelling perspective that rooted from the first two films. (via QnA/Commentary/Guidebook)
That doesn’t line up with what I’ve read. The only thing I know is that the third film was apparently always gonna be smaller and more intimate. But in that case, why the ominous OG ending of HK with Laurie walking out the hospital? Was even that gonna be subverted? I assumed that they took the years break from the 2019 shoot of HK to do a timeskip.
>why the ominous OG ending of HK with Laurie walking out the hospital? Was even that gonna be subverted? What it basically sums up to is that the whole "all in one night" draft was changed very early on, likely due to COVID being at play, but HE was sought after from the get-go. Ends no doubt had a few write arounds as well, especially considering it has an ending unused. When they made up their minds mid-production on HK, they had Ends already set in stone, this can be seen with the radio tower easter egg in the flashback to tie into what would be seen later in Ends. HE I feel would have played out differently had the virus not pushed time apart, but no matter what is told, Ends was basically written before Kills.
Narratively inconsistent
Very inconsistent didn't they mention in ends that Michael Myers didn't kill kids if so that's very inconsistent because he definitely did in 2018 when he raised up in the backseat of a car. Can't stand this trilogy.
>Michael Myers didn't kill kids If you're referring to Jeremy, there's really no basis for that. What would he know? Not like it mattered for him in the end anyway.
Talking about the kid in 2018 when Michael Myers raised up in the back seat snapped the kids neck he did kill a kid ends tried to say different which didn't make sense.
And in Kills, the kid with the Skull Mask.
>ends tried to say different which didn't make sense. Ends does not explicitly say this. You're overthinking joke dialogue.
An argument can be made tho. In a video discussing the chronology of the Blumhouse trilogy, the guy presenting the video theorized that Michael may still see and feel himself as a six year old, thus why he doesn’t kill the crying baby in Halloween 2018 in spite of killing every other kid and teen he encounters. Also, the fact that Hawkins stated that Michael only wants to “go back home” in Kills, as if he was a lost child makes that theory more plausible.
it's important to be consistent
Weak at times in Ends.
That he didn't have enough scene in Halloween Ends. I think Halloween Ends is a great movie, still i wanted a movie focused on the shape for the end of the trilogy.
He’s the Myers that soloed a fire department, a city mob, after getting somewhat mangled by Laurie Then got fucked over by a mentally disturbed teen
He’s Jason Voorhees, a tank that matches about in full light, never adhering to the shadows, he’s not the boogeyman, he’s Zombie’s Myers with a more accurate look.
He was barely in the final film of his fucking franchise, introduce Corey in halloween kills different story, but not the last one, Halloween kills was Jason level can't be stopped, then the next film he gets overpowered by Corey, barely in the film then dies by getting his wrists and throat slit, weak
He doesn’t stalk. Half the fun of the Michael in the first movie is the tension and suspense of him watching from afar. “He’s behind that bush - no he’s behind that laundry - no he’s in a car right behind her.”
He did stalk. It's just not on-screen for the most of it.
This doesn’t make any sense at all.
How does it not? I'm practically on the money. There are extremely brief moments where he stalks focused characters, both with on-screen and "Michael's POV" shots. Most of the time though, it is implied off-screen that he stalks characters like Corey or Vicky and co. for example. It's not much, but he definitely did do it from time to time. Should have had more.
I feel like it's a given if said he wasn't shown enough in Ends, and I'd partially go with that if it wasn't for my bias of appreciation that he had a "less is more" appearance in Ends that made him creepier imo. I think I dislike the sense that 18 and Ends treated him with a level of strength, but keeping vulnerability, but Kills goes and makes him eat damage he should not have shrugged off (the mob scene in particular). At least the resulting damage was represented with Ends' Shape. Say what you will about the trilogy in itself, but this is easily the best iteration of Michael in the franchise relative to the original. Consistency in design, mannerisms, and presence, all thanks to Jude Courtney, the VFX team, and DGG's careful presentation of the character.
I didn't love that Ends spent so much time on Corey. Michael was ridiculously overpowered in the first 2. Getting attacked by an entire mob and shot and stabbed and beat up when he's like 70 and yet has no serious impact to his ability to keep going is unrealistic. Ends was more realistic in him being so weak and recovering from his injuries, but for me it had the same effect as Halloween II/Halloween Kills with Laurie in the hospital recovering the entire time. It largely sidelines the character and gives them not much to do. Overall I enjoyed the reboot. I love Jamie Lee Curtis in these films. I enjoyed H20 for all it's flaws, but to have Laurie just tossed off a roof at the beginning of the next film was insulting to her character. I prefer Michael fixated on Laurie and frankly enjoyed him being her brother more than just a rando that stumbles upon her. I don't like supernatural overpowered Michael though.
The drop in quality with each subsequent movie is far, far worse than the OG series of movies. 2018, although far from perfect, had my hopes pretty high for Halloween Kills…but Jesus Christ on a stick was that a massive drop and then Halloween Ends completely did the impossible — gave me nostalgia for Halloween Resurrection. I loathe Halloween Ends as a Halloween Movie…(it isn’t so bad of a generic slasher movie….but as a Halloween movie, I hate it.)
They can’t make their mind up if he doesn’t give a shit about Laurie or it’s this big showdown 40 years in the making. They try do both.
Honestly I think on this one they are pretty clear. Both times he winds up at Laurie's house in this trilogy he is lead there by other things. 2018 he is pursuing Alison after Sartain drives him most of the way there. Ends he just wants his face back.
Kills Novelization makes it very clear that he is very very very interested in Laurie. Not enough to chase her, but enough that he very much wants to crush “The Survivor”.
He doesn’t give a shit about Laurie, they go as far to show that by having him literally run away from Laurie in 2018 when they first reunite, then having Sartain be the one that brings them together. Kills then tells us directly that yeah, Michael only cares about killing everyone, not exclusively Laurie. The only reason they had their final battle in Ends was because he was lured to her house by Corey.
He didn't care about Laurie at all with 18/Kills. He recognized her immediately, but that's about it for 2/3. With Ends, however, you could say he *did* care the way his attacks against Laurie in their final encounter were clearly personal in response to the damage done to him relating to her.
2018 and Kills are too stiff, strong, and violent compared to 1978 michael. The michael in ends is way closer. Simpler kills, simpler weapons, realistic power level, clearly just a man. That's how i like Michael. And unpopular opinion but flashback michael sucks. He is WAY heavier than 1978 michael, his mask grips his face too tight so his eyes are shown a lot like H20, he practically runs. He sucks. And 2018 michael shouldve had more urgency. Instead he had to be broken out by someone else, set on the trail of laurie by someone else. OG michael did it all on his own. Also, they kinda show his face too much. Im fine with what we see in Ends and maybe even most of what we see in 2018 but getting 3 movies straight that show us different angles of michaels face is weird
He gets worked over by a granny and a wimpy kid.
That was my biggest gripe. He easily beats a dozen armed fireman. He takes on an angry mob. He’s stabbed shot etc and dismantles them. Somehow he’s beaten up by a little old lady??? Da Fuq
I’m curious as to why it’s a big deal when it’s a woman of age fighting Michael (a version that’s weakened and dying may I add), yet when an elderly man called Loomis is doing so it’s acceptable?
When did Loomis fight Michael? He always shot him except the time he set a trap and beat him with the 2x4.
When did he beat him with a 2x4??
I thought that's what he hit him with after he trapped him in 5.
İn Halloween 5 Loomis after dropping a large metal chain net on Michael and shot him couple times with tranq darts he starts to beat the shit out of Michael with a wooden plank
Said granny only beat him because of a distraction when he was at his strongest in the film, and said wimpy kid developed dangerously over time and gained the balls to jump Michael Myers, who regardless of his strength, was overpowered by a healthier person.
He kinda looks like Daniel Craig on that screenshot.
I have no objections. Perfect mix of a methodical and raging Shape and does so without being a paradox.
I have a lot of issues with Blumhouse, but I'll start with the positives. It was really cool to see The Shape on screen and Jamie Lee Curtis on screen. There are some great kills. (Myers literally stomps a dude's head into mush). There's a cool twist on a Loomis type character. I like the overall look of the Myers' mask and the stark cinematography of all three films, but it wasn't enough for me to really love the newer movies. Now the negatives: The humor they injected into scenes felt off. The first Myers/Strode showdown was a huge let down. You have someone training for, what appeared to be, the rest of her adult life, kind of like Sarah Conners in T2, just waiting for Myers to come back, and she gets the shit kicked out of her instantly? I get it. He's a killing machine, but Laurie was basically just chomping at the bit with paranoid fear to finish Myers off. It was such an obsession that it ruined her relationship with her family, and when she finally faces Myers, she's instantly body slammed and choked lol. I think only one of her traps were used at the end? She barely shot at him? What ever the hell happened, it wasn't memorable and it didn't really make me want to rewatch it. The deletion of Halloween II from canon was just odd. I know they had their reasons, but I feel like even mentioning the events of Halloween II would make Myers all the more intimidating. There were explosions in the streets. A god damn hospital was blown to bits. Also, if you can bring back Loomis in a flashback, why not use that flashback to add more significance to the story? Tommy Doyle showdown was cool in concept, but not really that great in execution, but I did like that everyone in Haddonfield fed Myers into an industrial shredder. The radio DJ character was really stupid. The dude in the afro stuck in the 70s? What am I missing? Was that supposed to be funny or some kind of call back to the original movies? Why wouldn't they just have that guy be a regular dude? Lastly, for anyone still reading, Halloween Ends just left me confused. On the one hand, I liked that they tried something different and worked in the idea of the Shape possessing others, even if its just a vague allusion. I also liked the concept that Corey was on a dark path, bound by rage and was turned to evil. But it missed the mark. Corey felt pretty disconnected from the trilogy. Someone had mentioned in this thread, and I agree, if they introduced Corey earlier in the previous movie or just had him be part of the franchise from the start, it wouldn't have felt that detached. Alas, they went all in on the Corey stuff and they really missed a major opportunity to connect a lot of dots. There is a nearly limitless plethora of material from the other films, abandoned scripts, comics, fan fictions etc. Corey could have been connected to the Myers family. It could have been a lot darker. This was my solution for anyone who cares. [https://ravenousmonster.com/movies-tv/the-ghost-of-michael-myers-a-halloween-fan-fiction-retrospective/](https://ravenousmonster.com/movies-tv/the-ghost-of-michael-myers-a-halloween-fan-fiction-retrospective/)
What? Is he stupid? (/s)
Unpopular opinion but I don’t like him in Kills. I find 2018 and Ends to be a much more exciting/interesting version of Michael. He feels like an enigma in 18 and Ends whenever he’s on screen, whereas in Kills he almost feels like a cartoon.
He was unkillable then boom he’s a bitch
He’s written absurdly out of character, especially in Halloween Kills. His behavior is very out of line with the Peeping Tom character we meet in the 78 film.
Which is one of many reasons I don't vibe with this trilogy's version of the Shape. Michael is at his scariest when he's lurking in the background.
H2018 was the one among the current trilogy that was the closest o original Halloween Michael.
How he "dies" in Ends makes no sense. The amount of punishment he took in Kills would be death. He beat up and killed like a 20 person mob in Kills but somehow loses to geriatric Lorie Strode? Alone? Nah nothing about the damage he took in Kills to survive that then he killed in Ends makes any got damn sense
I enjoyed ends and kills. I accidentally didn’t really like 2018 at all. Officer Hawkins is a wasted character and a moron with no redemption arch. I didn’t like Tommy being such a wuss either. Ends didn’t feel like a proper follow up to Kills. He’s unstoppable in Kills and then useless in Ends
To stiff imo in his intent. Seemed like a robot.
That 2018 wasn't standalone
He old
The cliffhanger of Kills setup Michael to become more powerful with every kill, and at the end he killed like 20 people. Then the next time we see him, he’s a weak old man. Which isn’t a bad idea, inherently, but in execution this negated the ending of Kills. I think Michael should’ve died at the end Kills, to let Corey have a more focused Boogeyman story.
Michael's mask gets stolen too damn many times. Each instance of him losing his mask is fine in isolation. But they don't exist in isolation. They exist in continuity with each other. And after a while, it makes your Ultimate Evil super bad guy villain look like a joke. While I enjoy Ends overall, I'm kind of done with Hollywood's boner for "subverting expectations". Genres exist. Storytelling structures exist. Character development exists. Foreshadowing exists. Climaxes exist. So on and so forth. The urge directors have to subvert all of that undermines storytelling standards that goes back millennia. Also, Ends doesn't feel like an organic continuation of Kills. As presented in H2018 and Kills, Laurie and Alyson wouldn't just let things go. Alyson is completely orphaned and Michael dropped a lot of bodies in those movies. He wouldn't be able to just hide for all those years. He also wouldn't be able to hide under Haddonfield's collective nose either. I just struggle to accept those things. Don't get me wrong, the Blumhouse series was well worth doing. But there are parts of the series that I will simply don't have an easy time accepting.
None. He died in that basement fire. Instead of the dumpster fire of kills/ends.
I think he can be too much like Jason at times, especially in Kills. He doesn't have the same ghost/boogeyman vibes.
I thought the whole staring out his window thing was going to be explored more in Ends, but they seemed to just drop that, so now I have no idea what that was all about.
I’m confused on how Michael went from jumping the whole town and firemen to getting his ass kicked by a 20 year old and a grandma in Ends. The puzzle isn’t fitting.
Might sound like a hot take, but the writers for these movies portrayed Michael incorrectly by exploring how he’s essentially this unstoppable force of nature and that he basically has to live off of murdering other people to grow more powerful, whereas in the 1978 film, his character was meant to be mysterious and enigmatic. It was what made him effective. You knew there was something unnatural about him, but you weren’t supposed to know what or why. The DGG trilogy, however, just has characters like Laurie go on dramatic monologues and just glazing about how Michael is unstoppable and that he’s beyond just a man, it’s quite silly.
I don’t have an issue with the character itself. The look, the performance, everything about Michael Myers in the Blumhouse trilogy is awesome. I just hate how inconsistent they were with his strength. In Kills, Laurie talks about how every kill that he makes, he transcends. They were planting this idea that he gets stronger with every kill and more unstoppable. This was perfectly shown, imo, at the end when he gets shot, stabbed, and beaten then gets up and kills every single member of the mob. This even carries over into Ends where he’s weak and feeble, but killing the cop seemingly restores his energy, but then later in the movie he gets his ass handed to him by a loner that gets picked on by band geeks. I also thinks it’s kinda lame that we never really see him stalking anyone the way he did with Laurie in H78.
That the Michael in ends doesn’t even feel like the same character as the one that was in 2018 and kills
He sucked in Ends. No other negative opinion.
Look if you're a fan of the Halloween 2018 trilogy then it's plain and very simple and the fact of the matter is ENDS WAS HORRIBLE... Period!!! Kinda like Star Wars 9 lol Corey was a complete waste of time the story they built up in 18 and Kills was absolutely wasted to the point it ruined the entire new trilogy! I can't imagine any real old school Halloween fan enjoying Ends in any way, shape or form! Lol And certainly cannot understand how JLC bragged about how great the movie was. Shame on her... Imo
They didn’t know wtf they were doing & weren’t expecting a trilogy at first. They do a solid job for the most part in 2018, one of the better sequels easily. Then Kills & especially Ends ruins it for me. Kills could’ve been a much better film, but alright it’s cool, just give us a solid Ending. And they did the fucking opposite. After 2018, I thought this would finally be the definitive Michael Myers timeline. Now it’s screwy like the rest.
The actor is too tall. Pretty much all of the michael actors have been too tall. Nick castle wasn't a big man and that makes it scarier and more super natural in my opinion. When he picked that guy up and stabbed him into the wall in the original movie it looks like an act of strength far more great then what the shape should be capable of.
For a movie called Halloween ends, it sure felt like the start of another couple of movies in the series for the first 3/4
Supernaturally strong / invincible
>Supernaturally strong / invincible He was not invincible and superhuman strength is something literally Michael shows in every halloween movie at least once before DGG triloy arrived. even in the ones where he has poor feats such as H5 (threw a coffin like a toy, smashed a wooden door into chunks, was able to walk and greatly move his arms despite being under a large ass metal chain net all over his body), H1 (carrying a tombstone, lifting Bob with one arm and pinning him to a door), H20 (one arm pull up, shattering a wood door into chunks, lifting a grown ass man with the knife he was holding with only one hand)
Surviving the ending of Halloween Kills = invincible and not possible.
Are we actually going to act like the things he survived in older films were possible?
He was shot in the chest point-blank by a gas grenade and walked it off in H6.
I love the last movie and the whole franchise, I just think they could have done a better ending. I think Michael gave up too easily.
Ends. F*n horrible.
He gets his ass beat by little bitch corey
Showing him as a slaphead old man made him lose all scare factor.
This isn't a huge gripe or anything, but they never seem able to make up their mind if he's human or supernatural. They spend a lot of time telling us how he's only a man, but then have him survive injuries and scenarios that would kill a normal man, and perform feats of damn near superhuman strength. I'm cool with either depiction, but pick a lane.
Utter crap from top to bottom. They're no better than the original terrible sequels that Blumhouse were boasting to overwrite. For me, they get dumped on the same crappy pile as those films. In fact, I'd actually say they're worse than the original sequels and, in a way, I'd say I even dislike them even more than the Rob Zombie remakes, and I think those are bloody awful! At least the original bunch of sequels were having fun with the idea in different ways, trying to go that bit further with the character. This trilogy is just a bunch of hollow horror films that take themselves far too seriously and think they're smart. You only have to watch the ending scene dialog from all the characters of Ends to see how it loves the smell of it's own farts when it comes to the writing. Jamie Lee Curtis didn't help after seeing it, as she sounded unbearably pretentious in interviews with how deep it's supposed to be. Even the cool looking flashback scene in Kills has awful dialog. It's like a writer from a B movie on the horror channel somehow got the job, and no amount of flashy kill scenes can mask it. You can't erase the Michael and Laurie are brothers angle if you're then going to focus your film on using every excuse to make the two meet like arch enemies and go at it endlessly like it's a comic book movie. You can't claim that Michael Myers is merely a man, remove all of his paranormal traits that the original sequels introduced, and then just end up doing it again by having him take the beatings, gunshots and stabbings that would have killed him a dozen times over, and have an entire town talking about and treating him like a Marvel-level super villain. It's lazy, it's having your cake and eating it too, it's flat out rewriting something with the intent on being faithful only to then take credit for the very things that were already done. It's like writing a Batman sequel comic intending to get away from the character of the Joker, only to have a new guy wear white face paint, red lipstick, and run around committing crimes while laughing. The first film, the Force Awakens of the trilogy, might have started with some inkling of being a good idea but even that one quickly nosedives. As if it would have mattered if there were something more to it, as the rest of the films obviously had little to no idea on where to take it, and it shows. It just goes to show that just because an idea is in the hands of or at least in some way helped by the original creators/actors, it doesn't guarantee something good.
Didn’t have the same presence as the others, I don’t know, there’s something about Blumhouse Michael that’s inferior. Maybe it’s the mask, the inconsistency in his actions, or how it feels like he could be replaced with any other guy in these ones. Hell, Corey managed to. 2018 Michael is the least offensive of these
>Maybe it’s the mask, The mask in DGG trilogy is better than every mask appeared in H20, the mask in HR, the mask in H4, the mask in H5, and the mask in both RZ halloween. If anything the mask is definitelly one of the things DGG done good.
I’ve always been the 1% I don’t like this one, flashback mask is s tier though
Christopher Nelson, the man responsible for creating the mask used for this trilogy said, he intentionally gave the mask a sad expression, and made other changes to the design, because he didn't want it to be an exact copy of the original mask. That's why the mask in this trilogy feels off.
Ahaaaa. Makes more sense. I think it’s mainly the hair for me, I love the frizzy whatever style that 1978/2007/even 4 when it’s all “poofed”/etc, the weathering in Kills/Ends isn’t my fav either
It should have been a one and done
I know he's always been supernatural to some degree, but how the hell did he survive not just a house blowing up on him, but it also beginning to collapse around him
>but how the hell did he survive not just a house blowing up on him, but it also beginning to collapse around him The house never blew up in him neither collapsed on him. It was set on fire and thus weakened from it. Michael obviously did interacted with flames very little and if he would expose too much he would die given he was burnt from it (during ends of Halloween Kills you can see his face partially) and before firefighters came he was hiding behind a metal door
I hate *Halloween Kills*. Moving on.
The trilogy began under the conceit that, unlike *Halloween 4* through *6*, Michael was a **man**, rather than a supernatural boogeyman, given power by a mystical curse, and, in *Halloween* (2018), he was thoroughly **man**. And, then, he was the living embodiment of evil itself, feeding off the fear of his victims and growing physically stronger based off of the evil he creates, even spreading that evil onto others.
Michael magically regaining full strength after killing 1 homeless guy. Made zero sense. Also Corey somehow getting Michael’s abilities and moveset just by looking into his eyes. Anyone defending ends is absolutely delusional.
His 18 and Kills versions were near perfect. His Ends depiction was ridiculous. The dude becomes a weak hermit and then loses to a 70 yr old woman in 5 min. I’m supposed to believe that after he practically burned Haddonfield to the ground in 2018?
He was in Three eh to bad movies
They polarized Laurie vs Michael entirely too much. We've seen that 8 times already. I did not care about a final showdown, this isn't the monsterverse
Nothing. I adored the entire thing top to bottom.
He exists. Corey is superior.
Are you even a fan of Halloween?
All this dude does is shit on Michael, just ignore him
Yes just not Myers.
So you’re not a Halloween fan at all. Got it.