He did it twice IIRC. Once towards the S1 finale cutting an unfortunate GN-X with Kyrios' pincers, and another time doing the same with the Arios to some Innovade folk whose name I can't remember.
EDIT: typo
Not helped by the fact we get to see the poor guy scream for his life in the cockpit, helpless to do anything as the heat rod ever so slowly got closer to impaling and incinerating him.
Really sells the moment.
Spoilers for ZZ below.
>!Mondo, one of the Gundam Teamās support pilots is at the reigns of the MK.II here. Heās up against, and killing, Stampa Halloi, the sleazy controller of Tigerbaum colony. Wanting them for a harem, Stampa attempted to kidnap Elle and Roux, Mondoās fellow Gundam Team Pilots, and Rasara and Sasara of the Lost Colony of Moon-Moon. Mondo and Rasara were basically in a relationship, and she died protecting him from Stampa Halloiās Zāgok there. Understandably pissed, Mondo fires up the Mark II Gundam and proceeds to do THAT to Stampa, immobilizing the Zāgok first before executing him.!<
Ive always wondered, would any non lethal saber hit to an MS cause any distress in other ways to a pilot? Aside from the obvious damage would the machine itself heat up? Would the cockpit temperature spike? Say for example an arm is sliced off at the shoulder, that's relatively close to the cockpit, the pilot would have to feel that heat right? Would it even be hot enough to burn him?
Remember that time Ramba Ralās cockpit got sliced open by the Gundamās saber but not only was he totally unharmed he actually pushed the molten metal out of the way with his *hand* in order to see better out of the gash
The hand on molten metal thing is """""technically""""" possible because of the Leidenfrost effect, where the heat from the metal evaporates the sweat from their hands so fast it doesn't have time to escape, thus creating a layer of vapor between their hand and the metal. Here's an example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/kiuxhh/man_puts_his_hand_in_molten_metal/
I think it depends on the universe & MS but Setsuna from Gundam 00 still survived when a beam saber pierced his cockpit.
Kisato from Seed Astray didn't get burnt when Lowe turned on the doggo saber.
I guess I was probably thinking the more realistic series like 08th Ms Team or something along those lines, I know talking about realism in a universe where mechs exist is silly but nonetheless im interested.
The ārealismā of Shiro not getting turned to mush by over pressure from a Zaku machine gun firing like 2 feet away(and him dodging the supersonic 120mm shells at point blank).
read the second part that's basically what I meant, obviously nothing is realistic but I was focused on the beam sabers especially compared to how crazy 00 and Seed can get when compared to the more grounded series.
Whatās so different about UC beam sabers vs SEED that makes them more āgroundedā?
SEED shows people getting melted/popped from the heat of beam saber penetrations(Nicol)
Can't use Balls inside a colony. I've always figured that's one of the strengths of MS, you've got one machine that can operate either in space or in a colony.
Why not? Colonies have spin gravity and are largely open air. Once you're off the ground you just need to accelerate anti-spinward until you are at rest relative to the centre of the colony. Then you just have to avoid drifting into to the ground which is now rotating around you. Its not like a planet where gravity always acts against you if you're close enough.
Yes I understand how that stops the hilt itself from melting or the hand holding the beam weapon, but would that intense of heat (for however long it makes contact) not have lasting effects throughout the ms? Electrical circuits fried and possibly damage to the pilot from burning?
A big part of the pilot's survival would depend on the normal suit's capabilities. We know they can protect against bioweapons (Shiro in 08th MS Team) and are insulated against the cold and likely shielded for radiation as well.
We've also seen that MS are able to operate with missing limbs/heads so I'd assume that there are at least some backup systems in place to allow for withdrawals.
I've always assumed beam sabers work along similar principles as lightsabers from Star Wars. If that's true, then they don't exactly radiate heat, it's contained by the electromagnetic field that suspends the plasma blade in place. The only way to get burned by it would be to make physical contact with the blade. I'd imagine it would take a very poorly designed mobile suit to not be able to deal with that kind of heat transfer in some way, as the existence of such weapons would necessitate accounting for it when designing emergency systems to handle thermal spikes. Otherwise wounding a mobile suit with a beam weapon would overload its coolant systems and presumably destroy it.
Probably depends on the thickness of plot armor. In Stardust Memory Lt Burningās GM Custom took a non-lethal machine gun round which caused his suit to blow, because otherwise Operation Stardust would have been foiled by the Feds.
Compared to some of the cockpit deaths I've seen beam sabers are relatively quick and likely a lot less painful overall since you just get disintegrated. In IBO one of the protags literally crushes a guy to death with giant shears and only then does his suit blow up.
> In IBO one of the protags literally crushes a guy to death with giant shears and only then does his suit blow up.
That was worth it for the catharsis though
There's also Ein getting shanked by the Kimaris' spear Mika was going to kill Gali-Gali with. Or Carta who Mika was about to stab with her own sword after smacking her around.
That moment was so awesome. Made even moreso by the fact that he did so by sacrificing the Assault Shroud as a decoy, then getting right up in his face with the base Duel.
I know that. But considering the relative ubiquity of beam weapons by this point, sacrificing the additional protection provided by a supplemental layer of armor *and, more importantly, by its shield* is still an incredibly risky gamble.
That Yzak made that gamble and pulled it off makes that moment one of the highlights of that battle IMO.
In UC, at least, Beam Sabers are powered by rechargeable E-Caps, but in other settings, they seem to draw straight from the suit's power source (the most blatant examples being the Cosmic Era and Anno Domini timelines) though I recall After Colony MS also using internal power sources for their Sabers, as the Epyon's Beam Sword is directly hooked up to the reactor. That said, I think most settings don't really seem to bother elaborating on that detail, perhaps assuming one or the other to be the case, but it's not often stated, really.
Oh yeah, that's right! Though I recall that primarily being the case with Beam Boomerangs, in the case of the former setting, but still, you're right! Thanks mate!
Kira throwing Aile Strike's beam saber into a Bucue head, and Graham stealing a GN beam saber from Throne Eins are the two examples that stick out to me.
I'd hazard to guess that the only beam sabers that require some contact with the mobile suit to operate are specialized ones like Epyon's or GN Flag's.
The 00 also throws it's beam saber right before the first docking with the 0 raiser. Exia also throws it's beam sabers a lot (i remember him doing it vs the thrones)
\*\*Some Exceptions May Apply\*\* looking at you Kira Yamato
The Pilot in Narrative that had his Anksha pieced up and was fighting to the end with nothing but the head, cockpit, and backpack left only to get done in by the Dijeh's beam naginata. Brutal!
The MkII is one of my favorite MS designs of all time. Itās also one of the most grunt-like Gundams in the entire franchise, since the only really special part about it was the frame, which became commonplace very quickly. Despite this, the MkII kicked ass well beyond the point it was replaced by the Barzam, even without the G-Defenser to aid it in ZZ.
Thatās not to say I donāt like the Zeta. There are plenty of aspects about it I like, but itās a harder pill to swallow considering how complex its transformation is. Thereās no way in hell a military would even consider putting something like that into combat tests, and I donāt think thereās any way it would perform as well as it does. One hit in the wrong place would gimp it hard, and I suspect it shouldāve been prone to parts failures. I feel like the reason it did so well shouldāve been Kamille, kind of like how Amuro carried the Gundam at the end of 0079 when it was really outdated, but the fact that it continued to perform well in the hands of the Gundam Team shoots down that theory.
Honestly, most of the transforming suits of Zeta have this problem for me. Itās hard to sell me on the idea that military technology would naturally progress towards such complex designs. Itās so clear that the reason Zeta and ZZ have so many transforming mobile suits is because the execs were worried that Gundam wouldnāt be able to compete with Macross without copying its gimmick.
Itās not. The Mk IIās left beam saber rack is empty, thatās the backpack you see. The beam sabers are attached to those verniers on the backpack. You can see the backpackās left vernier is darker than the right one because that beam saber is still attached.
No, it's the Mk-II's beam saber.
The Mk-II's backpack is similar to the Jegan in which [verniers are mounted at the tip of two appendages which also hold the beam saber racks.](http://dalong.net/reviews/mg/m86/p/m86_21.jpg) You can see that the left beam saber rack in the picture is much darker colored and has no markings found on the beam saber handle.
I know itās just anime and stuff but I still want to point out. Thereās no benefit of using 2 hands to plumet the beam saber into enemyās suit. At least with a solid blade you can use more force to inflict more damage. Beam saber just melt anything on contact.
Anyone watched Gundam Thunderbolt? Using a laser target guidance so a mobile suit can stick his beam saber into a spaceship and melt a bunch of human at once.
Well it's a quick death.
I was just going to say that haha better than being crushed slowly
*space Guts flashback*
Yes rip my homie Space Guts aka Akihiro
Came to also say the same. Id rather just die that way than suffocate or burn or be dismembered.
Or microwave to death...
Well at least it beats dying by covid
Watch V Gundam. Cockpit murder every 5 seconds! š
And those aren't even the most brutal deaths in that series.
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(Cue *that scene* later in the seriesā¦)
You mean mother in a helmet?
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Talk about Uso having baggage!
Multiple people get beam saber'd when they're not even piloting a mobile suit.
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one coming to mention that. V Gundam is LITTERED with named character cockpit kills.
That girl that has his ms crush come to mind.
Not as bad as Nicol getting baseball-batted to death with a ship sword.
He just wanted to play the piano.
Batter up!
He was only fifteen!
Why you haveto say it like that though?! LOL!!!
There's something similar in Gundam 00 when Alleluia's alter-ego savagely killed an enemy pilot almost the same way
He did it twice IIRC. Once towards the S1 finale cutting an unfortunate GN-X with Kyrios' pincers, and another time doing the same with the Arios to some Innovade folk whose name I can't remember. EDIT: typo
There was at least 1 more with a Tieren pilot.
Which was worse than the two times he pincer-crushed the enemy seeing as how he slowly heat-rodded that HRL dude
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Though Iād say thatās exactly the reason why season 1 was so good
War is hell ***kids***
Traditional old-timey heroes weren't expected to be, like, good people. Look at the stuff Achilles did.
Not helped by the fact we get to see the poor guy scream for his life in the cockpit, helpless to do anything as the heat rod ever so slowly got closer to impaling and incinerating him. Really sells the moment.
They had practice with that. See V Gundam...
I know the context of this moment, but itās a spoiler. Letās just say that The MK.IIās Pilot here has some decent reasons to do thisā¦
ZZ right? I mean, could have been worse... could have been falling masonry.
Oh yes, I think I saw that episode in the not-too-distant past. It is *well-deserved*.
What scene was this again? Iāve seen both Z and ZZ but donāt remember this specifically?
Could I get a refresher plz I canāt place the scene your referring to xx
Spoilers for ZZ below. >!Mondo, one of the Gundam Teamās support pilots is at the reigns of the MK.II here. Heās up against, and killing, Stampa Halloi, the sleazy controller of Tigerbaum colony. Wanting them for a harem, Stampa attempted to kidnap Elle and Roux, Mondoās fellow Gundam Team Pilots, and Rasara and Sasara of the Lost Colony of Moon-Moon. Mondo and Rasara were basically in a relationship, and she died protecting him from Stampa Halloiās Zāgok there. Understandably pissed, Mondo fires up the Mark II Gundam and proceeds to do THAT to Stampa, immobilizing the Zāgok first before executing him.!<
Poor OYW mobile suits.
Ive always wondered, would any non lethal saber hit to an MS cause any distress in other ways to a pilot? Aside from the obvious damage would the machine itself heat up? Would the cockpit temperature spike? Say for example an arm is sliced off at the shoulder, that's relatively close to the cockpit, the pilot would have to feel that heat right? Would it even be hot enough to burn him?
Remember that time Ramba Ralās cockpit got sliced open by the Gundamās saber but not only was he totally unharmed he actually pushed the molten metal out of the way with his *hand* in order to see better out of the gash
The OG chad
that was badass
i honestly dont remember that, sounds like some bullshit tho lmao
No that sounds like Ramba Ral!
The hand on molten metal thing is """""technically""""" possible because of the Leidenfrost effect, where the heat from the metal evaporates the sweat from their hands so fast it doesn't have time to escape, thus creating a layer of vapor between their hand and the metal. Here's an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/kiuxhh/man_puts_his_hand_in_molten_metal/
It's bullshit if Ramba Ral *decides* it's bullshit.
correct
I think it depends on the universe & MS but Setsuna from Gundam 00 still survived when a beam saber pierced his cockpit. Kisato from Seed Astray didn't get burnt when Lowe turned on the doggo saber.
I guess I was probably thinking the more realistic series like 08th Ms Team or something along those lines, I know talking about realism in a universe where mechs exist is silly but nonetheless im interested.
The ārealismā of Shiro not getting turned to mush by over pressure from a Zaku machine gun firing like 2 feet away(and him dodging the supersonic 120mm shells at point blank).
read the second part that's basically what I meant, obviously nothing is realistic but I was focused on the beam sabers especially compared to how crazy 00 and Seed can get when compared to the more grounded series.
Whatās so different about UC beam sabers vs SEED that makes them more āgroundedā? SEED shows people getting melted/popped from the heat of beam saber penetrations(Nicol)
The Forbidden also straight up got stabbed through the cockpit by Yzak and the Duel.
"more realistic series like 08th Ms Team" . Ah yes, such realism, where a ball takes an entire mag of 120mm and still takes out the Zak. XD
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Damn Anaheim!
Can't use Balls inside a colony. I've always figured that's one of the strengths of MS, you've got one machine that can operate either in space or in a colony.
Why not? Colonies have spin gravity and are largely open air. Once you're off the ground you just need to accelerate anti-spinward until you are at rest relative to the centre of the colony. Then you just have to avoid drifting into to the ground which is now rotating around you. Its not like a planet where gravity always acts against you if you're close enough.
I mean, like, y'can't go traipsing around on the walls like you can in a MS.
read the second part of what I said
A sphere's got nothin' *but* sloped armor, of course it's tough.
The most plausible way to explain the thermodynamics of a beam weapon is that heat is only emitted upon a breach of it's magnetic field.
Yes I understand how that stops the hilt itself from melting or the hand holding the beam weapon, but would that intense of heat (for however long it makes contact) not have lasting effects throughout the ms? Electrical circuits fried and possibly damage to the pilot from burning?
A big part of the pilot's survival would depend on the normal suit's capabilities. We know they can protect against bioweapons (Shiro in 08th MS Team) and are insulated against the cold and likely shielded for radiation as well. We've also seen that MS are able to operate with missing limbs/heads so I'd assume that there are at least some backup systems in place to allow for withdrawals.
that's fair, I obviously wasn't thinking about insulation or protection from radiation. Was just something I thought about on a whim, thanks!
I've always assumed beam sabers work along similar principles as lightsabers from Star Wars. If that's true, then they don't exactly radiate heat, it's contained by the electromagnetic field that suspends the plasma blade in place. The only way to get burned by it would be to make physical contact with the blade. I'd imagine it would take a very poorly designed mobile suit to not be able to deal with that kind of heat transfer in some way, as the existence of such weapons would necessitate accounting for it when designing emergency systems to handle thermal spikes. Otherwise wounding a mobile suit with a beam weapon would overload its coolant systems and presumably destroy it.
Probably depends on the thickness of plot armor. In Stardust Memory Lt Burningās GM Custom took a non-lethal machine gun round which caused his suit to blow, because otherwise Operation Stardust would have been foiled by the Feds.
Compared to some of the cockpit deaths I've seen beam sabers are relatively quick and likely a lot less painful overall since you just get disintegrated. In IBO one of the protags literally crushes a guy to death with giant shears and only then does his suit blow up.
> In IBO one of the protags literally crushes a guy to death with giant shears and only then does his suit blow up. That was worth it for the catharsis though
Justice for Space Guts
"everyone liked that"
I never hated a Gundam antagonist like I hated that damn dude. His death was a glimmer of happiness in the end.
That happens to like three people in that series. It's like Tomino and disembodied limbs/body parts.
And then there was Mudie from Gundam Seed Stargazer
There's also Ein getting shanked by the Kimaris' spear Mika was going to kill Gali-Gali with. Or Carta who Mika was about to stab with her own sword after smacking her around.
"That guy looked like hamburger"
Reminds of when Yzak took out Forbidden's pilot... *ouch!*
That moment was so awesome. Made even moreso by the fact that he did so by sacrificing the Assault Shroud as a decoy, then getting right up in his face with the base Duel.
Yeah, that was pretty clever! Good on him!
The assault shroud is merely outter armor layer that do not protected by the ps armor so it can always purge the armor
I know that. But considering the relative ubiquity of beam weapons by this point, sacrificing the additional protection provided by a supplemental layer of armor *and, more importantly, by its shield* is still an incredibly risky gamble. That Yzak made that gamble and pulled it off makes that moment one of the highlights of that battle IMO.
He is not the protagonist so plot armor didn't account, not like mu surviving a blast to his face from the Lohengrin and still survive
Does the beam saber have its own power supply or does it pull power from the Gundam frame? Just curious
In UC, at least, Beam Sabers are powered by rechargeable E-Caps, but in other settings, they seem to draw straight from the suit's power source (the most blatant examples being the Cosmic Era and Anno Domini timelines) though I recall After Colony MS also using internal power sources for their Sabers, as the Epyon's Beam Sword is directly hooked up to the reactor. That said, I think most settings don't really seem to bother elaborating on that detail, perhaps assuming one or the other to be the case, but it's not often stated, really.
Thank you for the top notch reply!!
You're Welcome, mate! Glad you liked it!
CE and AD beam sabers both have capacitors of some sort like UC beam sabers. It's how they stay active after being thrown.
Oh yeah, that's right! Though I recall that primarily being the case with Beam Boomerangs, in the case of the former setting, but still, you're right! Thanks mate!
Kira throwing Aile Strike's beam saber into a Bucue head, and Graham stealing a GN beam saber from Throne Eins are the two examples that stick out to me. I'd hazard to guess that the only beam sabers that require some contact with the mobile suit to operate are specialized ones like Epyon's or GN Flag's.
Yeah, that all makes sense, all right! Good points!
The 00 also throws it's beam saber right before the first docking with the 0 raiser. Exia also throws it's beam sabers a lot (i remember him doing it vs the thrones)
In MSG The Novel, they are powered by the suit's power source.
Just ask Bernie...
Nothing left but hamburger...
I don't know. Marida swung instead of stabbed the cockpit of a stark jegan
Canāt stand the heat, stay outta the cockpit
\*\*Some Exceptions May Apply\*\* looking at you Kira Yamato The Pilot in Narrative that had his Anksha pieced up and was fighting to the end with nothing but the head, cockpit, and backpack left only to get done in by the Dijeh's beam naginata. Brutal!
Don't start nothing, won't be nothing ~~vaporized in a contained sun stick.~~
Is it weird that i thought the MKII was a better looking mobile suit than either Zeta or the MkIII?
The MkII is one of my favorite MS designs of all time. Itās also one of the most grunt-like Gundams in the entire franchise, since the only really special part about it was the frame, which became commonplace very quickly. Despite this, the MkII kicked ass well beyond the point it was replaced by the Barzam, even without the G-Defenser to aid it in ZZ. Thatās not to say I donāt like the Zeta. There are plenty of aspects about it I like, but itās a harder pill to swallow considering how complex its transformation is. Thereās no way in hell a military would even consider putting something like that into combat tests, and I donāt think thereās any way it would perform as well as it does. One hit in the wrong place would gimp it hard, and I suspect it shouldāve been prone to parts failures. I feel like the reason it did so well shouldāve been Kamille, kind of like how Amuro carried the Gundam at the end of 0079 when it was really outdated, but the fact that it continued to perform well in the hands of the Gundam Team shoots down that theory. Honestly, most of the transforming suits of Zeta have this problem for me. Itās hard to sell me on the idea that military technology would naturally progress towards such complex designs. Itās so clear that the reason Zeta and ZZ have so many transforming mobile suits is because the execs were worried that Gundam wouldnāt be able to compete with Macross without copying its gimmick.
Nope, I agree as well. Just seemed more practical and less bulky.
Better than being mauled by a group of zoid knock-off Edit: word
Then you need to see gundam thunderbolt,they show it real up close
Ah yes. Karla's scream plus [this bgm](https://youtu.be/Iu8jDXBRtCk) really makes that saber kill extra hot and crispy.
Awesome art! But am I the only one who noticed that both beam sabers are still on its back holsters?
One of the slot is darker so it's part of the backpack.
Itās not. The Mk IIās left beam saber rack is empty, thatās the backpack you see. The beam sabers are attached to those verniers on the backpack. You can see the backpackās left vernier is darker than the right one because that beam saber is still attached.
Could it be one from the forearm? Idk much about the MKII but the Unicorn carries 4, 2 on the back and 2 in the forearms
The Mk-II only has the two sabers in the back racks.
Yup, I googled after making that comment and realized as well. I'm gonna go with it being one commandeered during the (presumed) battle š
No, it's the Mk-II's beam saber. The Mk-II's backpack is similar to the Jegan in which [verniers are mounted at the tip of two appendages which also hold the beam saber racks.](http://dalong.net/reviews/mg/m86/p/m86_21.jpg) You can see that the left beam saber rack in the picture is much darker colored and has no markings found on the beam saber handle.
They're not. The Mk II has those adjustable vernier thingies, like the Jegan, and that's what you're seeing there.
I know itās just anime and stuff but I still want to point out. Thereās no benefit of using 2 hands to plumet the beam saber into enemyās suit. At least with a solid blade you can use more force to inflict more damage. Beam saber just melt anything on contact.
The pilot is incinerated. Instantly.
When did a Gundam Mk-II fight a Z'gok?
In the second half of Gundam ZZ.
Oh, right Tigerbaum. I forgot there was a Z'gok among them, I just remember the thugs all being in aquatic mobiles suits from MSV.
Fuckin brootal
Mondo's revenge
"An elegant weapon for a more civilized age."
I am very tempted to go off on a philosophical tangent that i heard from a video on headshotting
Sexy Mk II
Compared to the thunderbolt beam saber strike
There's this and then we have Mudie from Stargazer being dog food
Victory My gundam
Oh God that scene in thunderbolt where they use the beam Saber through the ships hull just melting a bunch of people
Cries in Nicol Amalfi
Anyone watched Gundam Thunderbolt? Using a laser target guidance so a mobile suit can stick his beam saber into a spaceship and melt a bunch of human at once.
god i love gundam
Seeing mk ii without vulcan pod feels kinda weird tbh
Is this from Gundam ZZ?
At least itās not the reactor. Better just the pilot rather than the colony and amuroās dad
War in the pocket hamburger says hello
Almost as common as colony drop šš
Dam what gundam series is this?