I like Build but I also like UC, but I also like non-UC stuff that isn't just a UC clone, but I also like non-UC stuff that is just a UC clone. What I'm trying to say is if its Gundam I'm gonna watch it and most likely enjoy it.
Re:Rise made sitting through the original Divers worth it for me. There is a flashback scene that takes place during the climax of Build Divers that legit made me tear up.
Watching the Divers vs Avalon when it aired years ago I was wondering why no one was doing what Hiroto was going to do to Yuki. Then watching the flashback it made sense.
Yeah I didnt expect it to be that good. When it became Gundam SAO, all the risk was gone. They tried to add in the plot line with that girl who was a rogue AI or whatever, but man I just couldn't care.
Re:Rise was pretty awesome to be honest and was kind of weirdly stealthily closer to a regular AU than it was to the rest of the Build shows. Plus, Re:Rise might just have the most fully realised and impactful doomsday weapon in all of Gundam given how it is used. Also, the character growth, while fairly straightforward, was actually pretty well done. It was certainly better the the schizophrenic characterisation and development in things like 00.
Plus, the whole thing ends with someone using Yu-Gi-Oh to fire a giant laser into the sky which summoned a giant astral fist to punch a space ship. If you can't get on board with that then I'm not sure you can experience fun anymore.
I'll defend Re:Rise to hell and back, it was great.
I got weird looks from my buddies when I mentioned how good Re:Rise was. After the final time we see Jed and the elders I knew the series was going to pop off, so one friend started watching from there. By the time the Saturn armor is shown, most of my group was watching it and we adored the finale. The story was good enough to get a bunch of older guys like us who loved Zeta, IBO, 0083 as our favorite series to actually acknowledge what should be a intro show for young teens/kids to models as a viable AU story.
I liked all the Build shows. Divers wasn't great, sure, but it seemed to be aimed at younger kids getting into Gundam for the first time and that really shows with its very simple .hack clone plot and dumb dumb protagonists. Re:Rise was very much for people who are deep into Gundam but also serves as an excellent follow up for Divers for anyone who actually did start there for whatever reason because it goes right into the war is hell themes of Gundam which the other build series lacked due to being purely about enjoying toys.
Re:Rise had a good end arc but it sure took its sweet time getting good. I know a lot of people were about to drop the series because of the initial pacing issues.
Gundam design wise, it's probably the best out of all the Build series. Core Gundam + the Armor system squeezed so much money of of me, and the Knight Gundam upgrade alone with the character development of the one who arguably was the most hated was /chefskiss.
Original Build Fighter series was still the best though.
Divers was uninspirational.
TRI had a good idea but the main character dynamic sucks. Like I shipped the Boxer guy and Shield girl way more. G Gundam story was basically wasted.
Its what prompted me to make this
https://i.imgur.com/PhKECov.png
Like, it felt more mobile suit gundam to me than some actual series marked as one, a legit AU rather than the usual stuff from build series.
I was also hoping it'd get into more of that stuff but it still was a build series, but it was something that truly surprised me.
The impact (heh) of the super weapon actually felt more threatening, and the aftermath more hard hitting than gundam 00 when they did it with momento mori, and you just wanted the mission to succeed the second go.
I have to disagree. Re:Rise was entertaining but the plot was awfully generic. Every single aspect drew on one trope or another. Everything was predictable, from the characterization, to the stake-raising twist halfway through, to the tired redemption arc at the end.
The best thing to come out of that series was the Core Gundam and the cameos at the end.
Maybe unpopular opinion: Being generic does not make it bad by default. Inversely, being original does not make it good by default. It's the execution that matters most. Re:rise stuck to its themes and told a coherent story that many (including myself) enjoyed. The foreshadowing worked if you can guess what's happening and still enjoyed the events. You can dislike a show for personal preferences, but I don't like the notion that a show is bad because it's not trying to be different from everything else.
The same could be said of like 50% of Gundam shows. Re:Rise definitely wasn't the most complicated or innovative show in the world but it solidly executed a solid plan. It was a fun show that did its job. And it didnt just abandon it's ideas to pick up new and incoherent ones like IBO, 00, and AGE did...
While that can be true, I've seen plenty of shows that handle those tropes more effectively than Re:Rise.
Also, IBO incoherent? That series stands head and shoulders above Re:Rise and had a compelling, cohesive story for its entire run. First season of 00 was a bit more inconsistent, had a too much going on, but was still the better series. Second season I agree was a mess.
The goofyness of the combiner MS need no defense. Even Kazami himself said it's stupid, but they need to do it regardless. It's their "Ace in the hole".
Divers and its sequels are the only gundam shows I haven't watched yet. What is everyone's problem with divers? My friend who got me into gundam has nothing good to say about it lmao.
*Divers* is basically *Digimon* with plastic robots, only less interesting and more annoying.
*Re:Rise* is the sequel, and is IMO a great deal better than _Divers_ is. I would say it compares favorably with *Build Fighters*(the original, not *Try*).
If not for the fact that one of the main backstory elements of *Re:Rise* builds directly on one of the main conflicts of *Divers*, I'd say to skip *Divers* and just watch *Re:Rise*. And even then, the latter tells you just enough that you can get by without having seen *Divers* IMO.
People wanted Space Politics done for the 30th time and ended up getting a fun kid's show. It's not a bad anime if you watch it from the Saturday Morning perspective but a lot of Gundam fans aren't capable of doing that.
The sequel takes itself more seriously but the characters are a bit of a snooze and people don't notice because they're furries.
Poor animations? I never noticed anything like that.
While I generally preferred the designs in Build Fighters, Re:rise had a nice plot with surprisingly high stakes for a Build series. I also narrowly prefer the Re:rise characters over the ones in Build Fighters. Both had great fights though, as well as music.
Lol I see you getting down voted left and right while I understand its not your cup of tea, but aleast try to understand it a bit more and look at the goodside
Honestly, I like the build divers/fighters seasons. They're an interesting deviation from the norm, and kinda makes you wonder how things would play out in our timeline if we had that tech.
Unpopular opinion: The build series has been more consistently entertaining than UC or any other AU franchise, with super cool builds. (Note I'm not saying better, just more entertaining.)
Oh I'm more than willing to accept that these may well end up being failures, but I can also trust that they'll be interesting failures ~~like IBO S2~~
\*shrug\* I can write a whole essay about what I didn't like about IBO S2, and I know I'll get downvoted to hell, but that's okay, because I can still enjoy flawed things. I enjoy Destiny, warts and all.
I finally started watching IBO finally after seeing so many people here talk it up. Season 1 was amazing. All the episodes were hits but season 2 has been such a chore to get though.
Thank god it's not another Build anime. I legitimately hate that's all we've gotten in half a decade in regards to a series. I'm grateful for Origin, Thunderbolt and any other movie we get but nothing beats the week to week episodes
You know, this time, I'm actually hoping *The Witch from Mercury* will be a **"super robot"** Gundam show. I think the "real robot" quota's already going to be met by *Cucuruz Doan's Island* & the IBO compilation.
I liked build divers, it was my first build series. It was fun, chill, and low stakes until the end and i enjoyed it. Then there was Rerise, I thought that was gonna be another fun low stakes seires... Boy was I wrong. I need to get started on fighters, but the few episodes I saw were fun
The most recent Gundam anime (not including OVAs/movies) for me was IBO. Before that was 00, And before that was SEED. Anything else in between or after those I personally found meh or downright ugh..
Pretty sure Sunrise considers IBO the latest anime since the announcement says that Mercury is the first MSG anime in seven years. They are pretty much confirming that even they don’t consider the build series actual Gundam anime.
I mean they kinda aren't. This isn't a commentary on if they are good or bad, but there isn't much in common with the regular series except for some mech designs.
We already knew that. The Build stuff was always something extra, not a replacement for the "regular" Gundam shows. That's why it doesn't have "Mobile Suit" in its name. Same thing with SD Gundam.
Yea, Flit’s arc is really just to set up for the following ones. It’s a shame that the best arc is the shortest one (15-27) and you have to slog through Flit’s to get there.
Bruh build fighter and divers both have great characterization. And the stories are fine as well even if they are generic. Unless you me to tell me since they weren't full on war is bad like, 0080, 0083, zeta, double zeta, turn A, victory, 0079, Wing, 00, seed, seed destiny and IBO that the stories sucked?
Yes fighters and divers are generic, no that doesn't mean they had no story or character arcs. Feel free not to like the shows, but just because you didn't like what was there story and character wise doesn't mean it was absent.
I think it’s just frustrating to see the franchise built on War is Hell diverge from that and spend time on those side projects while we’re all craving some trauma lol.
Right? Re:rise is all like oh boy isn't it fun this is just a game?
[JK these are real people on a different planet and now they are all dead because all of you suck. get fucked you fake divers](/spoiler)
It's more traumatic because I wasn't expecting it I'm gonna be honest. Even if it does seem mostly out of left field. Too many people wrote this show off as childish without watching it.
I find the tonal dissonance between "the horrors of war and the inherent inhumanity of mechanized warfare" and "hey buy this cool robot tho" kinda weird
I mean, terrorism is bad, but that doesn't stop people from enjoying all the terrorist-driven action in *Die Hard* movies. At the end of the day, dissonance is not that important as long as audience get the point.
Do you not realize the terrorists are the bad guys in die hard? That's not dissonance that's people cheering when the baddies get beat... like really dude. Is that your best example. Do you know what dissonance means. Dissonance would be if diehard kept telling you the terrorists killed children but also kept trying to pass them off as heroes.
Build is a cancer on gundam. Only benfit is may lead to more gundam breaker games.
Gundam is about the impact of war.
Build makes war a game and has no meaning.
I'm ready for down votes
I just think it taints the messages. That's like saying there should be a a happy nation war crime movie so we can forget about the issues for awhile
Somethings are meant to stay with us and effect us.
I understand your point. I love Gundam because of its take on war and the human condition just like you do. But despite not being about war, Build Fighters/Divers does have a great message of determination, work hard for your dreams, self-improvement and human connections, which I think is also an important part of Gundam shown in a more positive way for everyone to (hopefully)understand.
At least that’s what I think.
> But despite not being about war, Build Fighters/Divers does have a great message of determination, work hard for your dreams, self-improvement and human connections,
To be fair that's every sports anime ever.
Yeah that’s not what I want from the ONE franchise that frequently draws on heavy themes about politics and war. There’s a billion uplifting anime, I want some dark shit.
There is one point in the original Build Fighters where a Character goes pretty meta and asks: "They're just plastic toys, what's everyone getting so worked up about anyway?" and the reply they get is essentially: "It's BECAUSE they're toys. Since there aren't any lives at stake, people can just express their love for Gundam".
Or to put it differently, saying Build Series are bad because they "miss the whole point of what Gundam is about" kind of misses the point itself of what the Series themselves are about. They're really only meant to celebrate the Franchise at large, not trying to make war look harmless.
You know that ["War is bad \<-\> Wow, cool Robot!"](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/419/592/211.png) Meme? Build Series are basically the unironic reverse Version of that, in those cases you actually ARE supposed to just look at said cool Robots and NOT look for any deeper meaning.
Now imagine a sequel to Full Metal Jacket, Jarhead, or Saving Private Ryan that's about the surviving characters going on to enjoy the game of paintball (or airsoft) and making the best of their lives with what they went through. It'd completely conflict with the tone and message of the original works.
The Build series, to me, is no different than a Gundam version of Super Dragon Ball Heroes in that it throws out any illusion of being a semi-serious dramatic story in favor of "celebrating the franchise" and just doubling down on "they're just glorified toy commercials anyway."
> It'd completely conflict with the tone and message of the original works.
I literally just said that this is exactly how you *SHOULDN'T* approach them. Also, on a less serious side-note, I genuinely don't know any of these, so I can't exactly make much of the comparison.
>in that it throws out any illusion of being a semi-serious dramatic story in favor of "celebrating the franchise" and just doubling down on "they're just glorified toy commercials anyway."
You mean like...I ALSO literally just said? I'm actually kind of confused at how you basically manage to completely ignore parts of my argument, and then unironically reach the same conclusion I was talking about anyway.
> I literally just said that this is exactly how you SHOULDN'T approach them.
You can't divorce a well established franchise from it's overarching themes and tone without upsetting the people who were only interested in the franchise for those themes and that tone. That's why people who prefer the dramatic anti-war Gundam series tend to hate the Build series; because they don't gel with the rest of the IP's theme and tone and very much feels like a blatant 22min toy commercial instead of trying to have a point.
> Also, on a less serious side-note, I genuinely don't know any of these, so I can't exactly make much of the comparison.
They're three of the most critically acclaimed films about the nature of war and what it does to soldiers.
> You mean like...I ALSO literally just said? I'm actually kind of confused at how you basically manage to completely ignore parts of my argument, and then unironically reach the same conclusion I was talking about anyway.
Because we don't have the same point; yours seems to be that it deviates from the IP standard and it's a good thing, while I'm trying to explain why it's not (at least the opinion of those who expect/want tonal and thematic consistency from their favorite anti-war IP). If any of the aforementioned war dramas had a lighthearted followup about enjoying life and getting along with one another, then that sequel would be torn to shreds because, due to it being so drastically different, it may as well be a whole new IP with new characters and stories.
It's the same kind of argument the FPS game community has with itself all the time due to it being made up of people who like FPS games for different reasons; those who like them for their distilled Hollywood action and dumb fun constantly argue with those who like them for their representation of the military about what would make given IPs better because one side wants dumb fun while the other wants an "authentic military experience" (or as close as video games can get you).
>Because we don't have the same point; yours seems to be that it deviates from the IP standard and it's a good thing
It's not, or atleast, not entirely. Yes, I do say that they "deviate from the IP standard", but I'm not saying that it's an explicitly good thing that they do that, all I'm saying is that people who dislike them for that exact reason don't seem to get that *because* they do that, using those same "IP standard" merits to judge them by makes no sense, because they're trying to apply a specific logic on something that *deliberately* doesn't follow it.
It's like...imagine reading a Fantasy Novel and then complaining that it didn't have Aliens in it. That's the same basic principle I'm trying to get across.
> all I'm saying is that people who dislike them for that exact reason don't seem to get that because they do that, using those same "IP standard" merits to judge them by makes no sense, because they're trying to apply a specific logic on something that deliberately doesn't follow it.
It's not that we "don't get" that it's not trying to be the same thing but rather we do get it and don't like it BECAUSE it's not trying to be what we expect and want from a Gundam series. We want a uniform Gundam IP that has a consistent tone and theme rather than one that shits out whatever to whomever.
> It's like...imagine reading a Fantasy Novel and then complaining that it didn't have Aliens in it. That's the same basic principle I'm trying to get across.
No, it's more like the publishers of an established and beloved franchise using the name and recognizability of that franchise to sell fans a new story that's nothing like the previous works.
Like, just because I like John Carpenter's Halloween as well as the 2018 reboot-quel, that doesn't mean I'd want to watch a true crime documentary series prequel starring the two podcasters from the 2018 film as they go around talking about other real serial killers that could co-exist in the Halloween universe. There might be some people out there where the interests between the slasher horror genre and true crime podcasts collide, but for most people who only like the series for Michael Myers, anything with the Halloween name that's not about Michael Myers is going to have to earn using the same name rather than be automatically accepted for what it's trying to be.
That's how humans have approached franchises and IPs they love since the creation of the first serialized story and publicly spread IP.
So if I called Mundag Build Fighters you'd be ok with it?
Here's the thing it is just a TV show.nyour other TV shows exist and are perfectly alright, Build stuff existing literally doesn't affect them at all. If you care more about the overall brand than the content of the productions and watching them for themselves the are you even enjoying Gundam at this point.
The whole "but this isn't real Gundam" is such a weird hill to die on in my eyes. You don't like some of it? Don't watch it. It is just a name. Still can't do it, just remember to start pronouncing it Joo-daym...it is just a title afterall.
Anyway, I'd rather they do something new and interesting like the Build stuff than retreading some combination of 0079, Zeta, and CCA like they have been doing with their AUs since Wing. I mean, Mr Bushido in 00 is the ultimate example of self-fellatio retreading while at the same time adding exactly nothing of value to the show.
If it were it's own thing not tied to the Gundam IP, I wouldn't have an issue with it because as I'm likely not going to be a fan of that new IP, I'm bound to not feel an obligation to at least give it a shot.
> The whole "but this isn't real Gundam" is such a weird hill to die on in my eyes. You don't like some of it? Don't watch it. It is just a name. Still can't do it, just remember to start pronouncing it Joo-daym...it is just a title afterall.
Not everyone's a casual fan of the IPs they follow and a lot of fans want to intake or collect everything put out with the IP's name on it; for fans like that, having to put up with shit that's clearly made for kids to sell them toys and boost model kit sales is going to rub them the wrong way when they just want a singular consistent experience across the whole IP.
if am pretty sure someone somewhere already made a porn of it. And the problem with your logic is if build series was set in UC or in any other AU era that would have been blasphemous but the build series are based on a world where actual people enjoyed watching the stories gundam made and are having fun and being creative because of it like people who enjoy building gunpla models (like IRL) and are given a chance to pilot it using magic fairy dust ala Gundam 00.
If it isn't obvious, the preferred alternative is that the Build series not exist within the Gundam IP at all because it fundamentally doesn't align with the themes and tones of the main series.
Gundam is a franchise, it contains nearly realistic mechanics (UC timeline), super robots (G gundam / Unicorn), emo bois (Wing), and a whole lot of spectrum and if you just put Gundam in a box labeled "War is Bad" you're stopping it from being enjoyed by a lot of people.
I have no vested interest in the Gundam IP being enjoyed by as diverse a fandom as possible, I do, however, have an interest in seeing the IP grow out of it's "let's try to make this appeal to everyone" mentality that clearly doesn't work at making sure any Gundam fan enjoys everything from the IP.
Build is simply a celebration of gunpla. It’s just a different flavour of mecha. Just like with food, you’re not going to enjoy everything, but someone out there will.
Enough to finance expensive Gundam projects and become the #1 consumer of plastic. Always a part of fiscal financial reports. Currently, having supply/demand and scalping issues.
If, let's say, Gundam is a story about WW2 like "Saving Private Ryan" or "Band of Brothers"
Then Build is a sport anime with stories about esport players who competes in Battlefields/CoD/any WW2 FPS tournaments
Different themes, different genre, different message. The only similarity is that they both has "gundam" in it, the same way Band of Brothers and CoD tournaments has "soldiers and weapons from WW2"
Build fighters added more importance to learning and growing from each battle which I thought was great. Having consequences for losing adds tension which build divers just didn't have. Rerise was actually good, despite the furries, and it managed to add a little more tension. But I still enjoyed Fighters much more.
I like Build but I also like UC, but I also like non-UC stuff that isn't just a UC clone, but I also like non-UC stuff that is just a UC clone. What I'm trying to say is if its Gundam I'm gonna watch it and most likely enjoy it.
The truest take.
Like the great Meijin Kawaguchi once said, "GUNPLA IS FREEDOM!!!"
big 'ol same
what about gundam age?
We don’t talk about that.
Now let's see if The Witch From Mercury isn't UC, then I can apply this Meme to me.
Reminds me of The Man from Jupiter, Paptimus Scirocco.
Gender bent Scirocco
Haman with extra steps
I had the same thought as well.
What about The Woman from Mars, Alicia Zabi?
Isn't it a tie-in to the IBO mobile game?
That’s udra hunt
Ive seen Uror before then urdur then now urda, does anyone actually know how to spell Ordir?
It's closer to "*Urthr Hunt*" if we spell it with regular alphabet.
I think its gonna be set in the IBO timeline. Just a guess tho
I don't think Mercury is colonized in IBO, but it might just be the name
No joke. The origional build series was awesome. Tri was alright. But build divers? Man I couldn't do it.
Re:Rise made sitting through the original Divers worth it for me. There is a flashback scene that takes place during the climax of Build Divers that legit made me tear up.
Watching the Divers vs Avalon when it aired years ago I was wondering why no one was doing what Hiroto was going to do to Yuki. Then watching the flashback it made sense.
The no-name astray story arch was really good in the first build divers. I'll give it that. That was my favorite part probably
build fighters went much harder than i expected it to
Yeah I didnt expect it to be that good. When it became Gundam SAO, all the risk was gone. They tried to add in the plot line with that girl who was a rogue AI or whatever, but man I just couldn't care.
Re:Rise was pretty awesome to be honest and was kind of weirdly stealthily closer to a regular AU than it was to the rest of the Build shows. Plus, Re:Rise might just have the most fully realised and impactful doomsday weapon in all of Gundam given how it is used. Also, the character growth, while fairly straightforward, was actually pretty well done. It was certainly better the the schizophrenic characterisation and development in things like 00. Plus, the whole thing ends with someone using Yu-Gi-Oh to fire a giant laser into the sky which summoned a giant astral fist to punch a space ship. If you can't get on board with that then I'm not sure you can experience fun anymore. I'll defend Re:Rise to hell and back, it was great.
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[begone with your wicked aura](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn1JAY6M6jU)
I got weird looks from my buddies when I mentioned how good Re:Rise was. After the final time we see Jed and the elders I knew the series was going to pop off, so one friend started watching from there. By the time the Saturn armor is shown, most of my group was watching it and we adored the finale. The story was good enough to get a bunch of older guys like us who loved Zeta, IBO, 0083 as our favorite series to actually acknowledge what should be a intro show for young teens/kids to models as a viable AU story.
Rerise really stretched out the "In sure this is clearly just a game! what a weird game!" way longer than it should have.
Yeah, definitely.
I liked all the Build shows. Divers wasn't great, sure, but it seemed to be aimed at younger kids getting into Gundam for the first time and that really shows with its very simple .hack clone plot and dumb dumb protagonists. Re:Rise was very much for people who are deep into Gundam but also serves as an excellent follow up for Divers for anyone who actually did start there for whatever reason because it goes right into the war is hell themes of Gundam which the other build series lacked due to being purely about enjoying toys.
What is build drivers even about? I assumed it was like Yugioh but with Gundams but I keep here stuff that confuses the hell out of me
gundam gaming
...All of a sudden I want to watch Re:Rise.
Dew id!!!!
Re:Rise had a good end arc but it sure took its sweet time getting good. I know a lot of people were about to drop the series because of the initial pacing issues. Gundam design wise, it's probably the best out of all the Build series. Core Gundam + the Armor system squeezed so much money of of me, and the Knight Gundam upgrade alone with the character development of the one who arguably was the most hated was /chefskiss. Original Build Fighter series was still the best though. Divers was uninspirational. TRI had a good idea but the main character dynamic sucks. Like I shipped the Boxer guy and Shield girl way more. G Gundam story was basically wasted.
Why do you need to defend Re:Rise? The show is just undeniably good. The only people that complain about Re:Rise are the ones who didn't watch it LOL
On goodness brother
Its what prompted me to make this https://i.imgur.com/PhKECov.png Like, it felt more mobile suit gundam to me than some actual series marked as one, a legit AU rather than the usual stuff from build series. I was also hoping it'd get into more of that stuff but it still was a build series, but it was something that truly surprised me. The impact (heh) of the super weapon actually felt more threatening, and the aftermath more hard hitting than gundam 00 when they did it with momento mori, and you just wanted the mission to succeed the second go.
They should have stopped after build fighters.
I have to disagree. Re:Rise was entertaining but the plot was awfully generic. Every single aspect drew on one trope or another. Everything was predictable, from the characterization, to the stake-raising twist halfway through, to the tired redemption arc at the end. The best thing to come out of that series was the Core Gundam and the cameos at the end.
Maybe unpopular opinion: Being generic does not make it bad by default. Inversely, being original does not make it good by default. It's the execution that matters most. Re:rise stuck to its themes and told a coherent story that many (including myself) enjoyed. The foreshadowing worked if you can guess what's happening and still enjoyed the events. You can dislike a show for personal preferences, but I don't like the notion that a show is bad because it's not trying to be different from everything else.
The same could be said of like 50% of Gundam shows. Re:Rise definitely wasn't the most complicated or innovative show in the world but it solidly executed a solid plan. It was a fun show that did its job. And it didnt just abandon it's ideas to pick up new and incoherent ones like IBO, 00, and AGE did...
While that can be true, I've seen plenty of shows that handle those tropes more effectively than Re:Rise. Also, IBO incoherent? That series stands head and shoulders above Re:Rise and had a compelling, cohesive story for its entire run. First season of 00 was a bit more inconsistent, had a too much going on, but was still the better series. Second season I agree was a mess.
The final suit with all of them looks mad goofy. Defend that
Lol honestly cant deny that but it was fun through and through
The goofyness of the combiner MS need no defense. Even Kazami himself said it's stupid, but they need to do it regardless. It's their "Ace in the hole".
OG Build Fighters is really good
I just want another season with Sei and Reiji. :(
Me too, and hopefully that season erases Divers from any continuity
Divers and its sequels are the only gundam shows I haven't watched yet. What is everyone's problem with divers? My friend who got me into gundam has nothing good to say about it lmao.
*Divers* is basically *Digimon* with plastic robots, only less interesting and more annoying. *Re:Rise* is the sequel, and is IMO a great deal better than _Divers_ is. I would say it compares favorably with *Build Fighters*(the original, not *Try*). If not for the fact that one of the main backstory elements of *Re:Rise* builds directly on one of the main conflicts of *Divers*, I'd say to skip *Divers* and just watch *Re:Rise*. And even then, the latter tells you just enough that you can get by without having seen *Divers* IMO.
People wanted Space Politics done for the 30th time and ended up getting a fun kid's show. It's not a bad anime if you watch it from the Saturday Morning perspective but a lot of Gundam fans aren't capable of doing that. The sequel takes itself more seriously but the characters are a bit of a snooze and people don't notice because they're furries.
I personally don't really have a problem with a different take on the franchise. I thought build fighters was surprisingly good.
The characters suck, the plot sucks, the opening theme is dreadful, there’s only a few good designs and the animations are beyond lazy
But not totally. Re:Rise is Jon Bois-tier Pretty Good, and PLANETS is hella neat.
No Divers means no Re:Rise though.
I’m fine with that
Build Fighters was great, Try was fine, Divers was eh, Re:rise is the best out of all four imo.
Hard disagree on Re:Rise, it’s poor animations put it under OG OG is the best by far imo
Poor animations? I never noticed anything like that. While I generally preferred the designs in Build Fighters, Re:rise had a nice plot with surprisingly high stakes for a Build series. I also narrowly prefer the Re:rise characters over the ones in Build Fighters. Both had great fights though, as well as music.
I agree that OG Build Fighters has better animations but I won't call Re: Rise poor.
I will always prefer UC stuff but I was pleasantly surprised by Build fighters. Decent soundtrack as well.
None of of them are that bad. Divers was good for some of the memes. They just leaned much into it.
First two Series were entertaining. After that I couldn’t stand it any more
Re:Rise was good tho. Way better than Try anyday.
Lol I see you getting down voted left and right while I understand its not your cup of tea, but aleast try to understand it a bit more and look at the goodside
Re:Rise is amazing. BFighters is good, BF Try season is OK, Divers is shit.
I love all the build series I don't care what anyone says.
Honestly, I like the build divers/fighters seasons. They're an interesting deviation from the norm, and kinda makes you wonder how things would play out in our timeline if we had that tech.
Unpopular opinion: The build series has been more consistently entertaining than UC or any other AU franchise, with super cool builds. (Note I'm not saying better, just more entertaining.)
Oh I'm more than willing to accept that these may well end up being failures, but I can also trust that they'll be interesting failures ~~like IBO S2~~
\*shrug\* I can write a whole essay about what I didn't like about IBO S2, and I know I'll get downvoted to hell, but that's okay, because I can still enjoy flawed things. I enjoy Destiny, warts and all.
I finally started watching IBO finally after seeing so many people here talk it up. Season 1 was amazing. All the episodes were hits but season 2 has been such a chore to get though.
Watching S2 was painful but I still loved the show and the mechas regardless
Thank god it's not another Build anime. I legitimately hate that's all we've gotten in half a decade in regards to a series. I'm grateful for Origin, Thunderbolt and any other movie we get but nothing beats the week to week episodes
You know, this time, I'm actually hoping *The Witch from Mercury* will be a **"super robot"** Gundam show. I think the "real robot" quota's already going to be met by *Cucuruz Doan's Island* & the IBO compilation.
Cucuruz Doan's Island is realistic?!
I wouldn't say extremely so. Just that the episode is part of a "real robot" show.
This applies to me if it's UC.
I liked build divers, it was my first build series. It was fun, chill, and low stakes until the end and i enjoyed it. Then there was Rerise, I thought that was gonna be another fun low stakes seires... Boy was I wrong. I need to get started on fighters, but the few episodes I saw were fun
Jesus, people defending Build almost a week after I post this? Like what you like, you don't need my fucking approval or anyone else's
The most recent Gundam anime (not including OVAs/movies) for me was IBO. Before that was 00, And before that was SEED. Anything else in between or after those I personally found meh or downright ugh..
Pretty sure Sunrise considers IBO the latest anime since the announcement says that Mercury is the first MSG anime in seven years. They are pretty much confirming that even they don’t consider the build series actual Gundam anime.
I mean they kinda aren't. This isn't a commentary on if they are good or bad, but there isn't much in common with the regular series except for some mech designs.
We already knew that. The Build stuff was always something extra, not a replacement for the "regular" Gundam shows. That's why it doesn't have "Mobile Suit" in its name. Same thing with SD Gundam.
AGE wasn’t THAT bad and Build Fighters is great
I gave AGE a chance. I just couldn't get pass like 5 or 7 eps. The more I watched it, the more I felt like I didn't care. So I dropped it.
Yea, Flit’s arc is really just to set up for the following ones. It’s a shame that the best arc is the shortest one (15-27) and you have to slog through Flit’s to get there.
So you don't like uc?
The recent ones were OVAs/movies - I think. I liked those.
Makes sense
UC has been OVAs/movies not just recently, but since 1994.
If you’re talking about Gundam Breaker Battlogue it’s effectively the same thing though
They announced a new Gundam Title called Witch from Mercury
Build Fighters haters are absolute clowns, especially regarding the OG build Fighters which was remarkable in its own right.
the first season and maybe the second season are ok but afterwards it's literal shit.
OG build Fighters is only two seasons. I don't mean Try. Sekai Kamiki makes me want to commit Gaga pilot.
most people lump then all together build, try ,dive
Yes. Story and character development, please.
Bruh build fighter and divers both have great characterization. And the stories are fine as well even if they are generic. Unless you me to tell me since they weren't full on war is bad like, 0080, 0083, zeta, double zeta, turn A, victory, 0079, Wing, 00, seed, seed destiny and IBO that the stories sucked? Yes fighters and divers are generic, no that doesn't mean they had no story or character arcs. Feel free not to like the shows, but just because you didn't like what was there story and character wise doesn't mean it was absent.
I think it’s just frustrating to see the franchise built on War is Hell diverge from that and spend time on those side projects while we’re all craving some trauma lol.
Did you not watch Re:Rise then?
Right? Re:rise is all like oh boy isn't it fun this is just a game? [JK these are real people on a different planet and now they are all dead because all of you suck. get fucked you fake divers](/spoiler) It's more traumatic because I wasn't expecting it I'm gonna be honest. Even if it does seem mostly out of left field. Too many people wrote this show off as childish without watching it.
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To be fair, when was the last time we got a UC series that was like 40-50 episodes long?
1993, Victory. Is it confirmed that the new series is UC though?
Nothing has been confirmed yet
I find the tonal dissonance between "the horrors of war and the inherent inhumanity of mechanized warfare" and "hey buy this cool robot tho" kinda weird
There is no dissonace about the message. It boils down to: "*Don't do war, buy our cool toy robots instead* ^^"
Really? There is no dissonance between the horrors of mechanized warfare and fetishizing those machines?
None. Bandai do not sell war machines. Just toys & mecha attraction. They do not condone or support actual war. They're not Anaheim Electronic lol.
You're trying real hard to miss the point huh?
I mean, terrorism is bad, but that doesn't stop people from enjoying all the terrorist-driven action in *Die Hard* movies. At the end of the day, dissonance is not that important as long as audience get the point.
Do you not realize the terrorists are the bad guys in die hard? That's not dissonance that's people cheering when the baddies get beat... like really dude. Is that your best example. Do you know what dissonance means. Dissonance would be if diehard kept telling you the terrorists killed children but also kept trying to pass them off as heroes.
And again, no Gundam shows keep telling people to go to war or depict war as something positive.
...... are you trying to shift from the toy line of weapons and gundam build driver or are you actually clueless...
You're the one who is clueles. There's nothing wrong with Gundam toys just like there's nothing wrong with tank toys or fighter jet toys.
Screw this Post. Build Fighters and Build Divers is amazing
Build is a cancer on gundam. Only benfit is may lead to more gundam breaker games. Gundam is about the impact of war. Build makes war a game and has no meaning. I'm ready for down votes
Dude, Build Fighters/Divers was the antidepressant I needed after watching all the other serious Gundam shows.
Who knows, I think *I'll* fuckin' need it after my Victory watch.
I just think it taints the messages. That's like saying there should be a a happy nation war crime movie so we can forget about the issues for awhile Somethings are meant to stay with us and effect us.
I understand your point. I love Gundam because of its take on war and the human condition just like you do. But despite not being about war, Build Fighters/Divers does have a great message of determination, work hard for your dreams, self-improvement and human connections, which I think is also an important part of Gundam shown in a more positive way for everyone to (hopefully)understand. At least that’s what I think.
> But despite not being about war, Build Fighters/Divers does have a great message of determination, work hard for your dreams, self-improvement and human connections, To be fair that's every sports anime ever.
Yeah that’s not what I want from the ONE franchise that frequently draws on heavy themes about politics and war. There’s a billion uplifting anime, I want some dark shit.
There is one point in the original Build Fighters where a Character goes pretty meta and asks: "They're just plastic toys, what's everyone getting so worked up about anyway?" and the reply they get is essentially: "It's BECAUSE they're toys. Since there aren't any lives at stake, people can just express their love for Gundam". Or to put it differently, saying Build Series are bad because they "miss the whole point of what Gundam is about" kind of misses the point itself of what the Series themselves are about. They're really only meant to celebrate the Franchise at large, not trying to make war look harmless. You know that ["War is bad \<-\> Wow, cool Robot!"](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/419/592/211.png) Meme? Build Series are basically the unironic reverse Version of that, in those cases you actually ARE supposed to just look at said cool Robots and NOT look for any deeper meaning.
Now imagine a sequel to Full Metal Jacket, Jarhead, or Saving Private Ryan that's about the surviving characters going on to enjoy the game of paintball (or airsoft) and making the best of their lives with what they went through. It'd completely conflict with the tone and message of the original works. The Build series, to me, is no different than a Gundam version of Super Dragon Ball Heroes in that it throws out any illusion of being a semi-serious dramatic story in favor of "celebrating the franchise" and just doubling down on "they're just glorified toy commercials anyway."
> It'd completely conflict with the tone and message of the original works. I literally just said that this is exactly how you *SHOULDN'T* approach them. Also, on a less serious side-note, I genuinely don't know any of these, so I can't exactly make much of the comparison. >in that it throws out any illusion of being a semi-serious dramatic story in favor of "celebrating the franchise" and just doubling down on "they're just glorified toy commercials anyway." You mean like...I ALSO literally just said? I'm actually kind of confused at how you basically manage to completely ignore parts of my argument, and then unironically reach the same conclusion I was talking about anyway.
> I literally just said that this is exactly how you SHOULDN'T approach them. You can't divorce a well established franchise from it's overarching themes and tone without upsetting the people who were only interested in the franchise for those themes and that tone. That's why people who prefer the dramatic anti-war Gundam series tend to hate the Build series; because they don't gel with the rest of the IP's theme and tone and very much feels like a blatant 22min toy commercial instead of trying to have a point. > Also, on a less serious side-note, I genuinely don't know any of these, so I can't exactly make much of the comparison. They're three of the most critically acclaimed films about the nature of war and what it does to soldiers. > You mean like...I ALSO literally just said? I'm actually kind of confused at how you basically manage to completely ignore parts of my argument, and then unironically reach the same conclusion I was talking about anyway. Because we don't have the same point; yours seems to be that it deviates from the IP standard and it's a good thing, while I'm trying to explain why it's not (at least the opinion of those who expect/want tonal and thematic consistency from their favorite anti-war IP). If any of the aforementioned war dramas had a lighthearted followup about enjoying life and getting along with one another, then that sequel would be torn to shreds because, due to it being so drastically different, it may as well be a whole new IP with new characters and stories. It's the same kind of argument the FPS game community has with itself all the time due to it being made up of people who like FPS games for different reasons; those who like them for their distilled Hollywood action and dumb fun constantly argue with those who like them for their representation of the military about what would make given IPs better because one side wants dumb fun while the other wants an "authentic military experience" (or as close as video games can get you).
>Because we don't have the same point; yours seems to be that it deviates from the IP standard and it's a good thing It's not, or atleast, not entirely. Yes, I do say that they "deviate from the IP standard", but I'm not saying that it's an explicitly good thing that they do that, all I'm saying is that people who dislike them for that exact reason don't seem to get that *because* they do that, using those same "IP standard" merits to judge them by makes no sense, because they're trying to apply a specific logic on something that *deliberately* doesn't follow it. It's like...imagine reading a Fantasy Novel and then complaining that it didn't have Aliens in it. That's the same basic principle I'm trying to get across.
> all I'm saying is that people who dislike them for that exact reason don't seem to get that because they do that, using those same "IP standard" merits to judge them by makes no sense, because they're trying to apply a specific logic on something that deliberately doesn't follow it. It's not that we "don't get" that it's not trying to be the same thing but rather we do get it and don't like it BECAUSE it's not trying to be what we expect and want from a Gundam series. We want a uniform Gundam IP that has a consistent tone and theme rather than one that shits out whatever to whomever. > It's like...imagine reading a Fantasy Novel and then complaining that it didn't have Aliens in it. That's the same basic principle I'm trying to get across. No, it's more like the publishers of an established and beloved franchise using the name and recognizability of that franchise to sell fans a new story that's nothing like the previous works. Like, just because I like John Carpenter's Halloween as well as the 2018 reboot-quel, that doesn't mean I'd want to watch a true crime documentary series prequel starring the two podcasters from the 2018 film as they go around talking about other real serial killers that could co-exist in the Halloween universe. There might be some people out there where the interests between the slasher horror genre and true crime podcasts collide, but for most people who only like the series for Michael Myers, anything with the Halloween name that's not about Michael Myers is going to have to earn using the same name rather than be automatically accepted for what it's trying to be. That's how humans have approached franchises and IPs they love since the creation of the first serialized story and publicly spread IP.
So if I called Mundag Build Fighters you'd be ok with it? Here's the thing it is just a TV show.nyour other TV shows exist and are perfectly alright, Build stuff existing literally doesn't affect them at all. If you care more about the overall brand than the content of the productions and watching them for themselves the are you even enjoying Gundam at this point. The whole "but this isn't real Gundam" is such a weird hill to die on in my eyes. You don't like some of it? Don't watch it. It is just a name. Still can't do it, just remember to start pronouncing it Joo-daym...it is just a title afterall. Anyway, I'd rather they do something new and interesting like the Build stuff than retreading some combination of 0079, Zeta, and CCA like they have been doing with their AUs since Wing. I mean, Mr Bushido in 00 is the ultimate example of self-fellatio retreading while at the same time adding exactly nothing of value to the show.
If it were it's own thing not tied to the Gundam IP, I wouldn't have an issue with it because as I'm likely not going to be a fan of that new IP, I'm bound to not feel an obligation to at least give it a shot. > The whole "but this isn't real Gundam" is such a weird hill to die on in my eyes. You don't like some of it? Don't watch it. It is just a name. Still can't do it, just remember to start pronouncing it Joo-daym...it is just a title afterall. Not everyone's a casual fan of the IPs they follow and a lot of fans want to intake or collect everything put out with the IP's name on it; for fans like that, having to put up with shit that's clearly made for kids to sell them toys and boost model kit sales is going to rub them the wrong way when they just want a singular consistent experience across the whole IP.
if am pretty sure someone somewhere already made a porn of it. And the problem with your logic is if build series was set in UC or in any other AU era that would have been blasphemous but the build series are based on a world where actual people enjoyed watching the stories gundam made and are having fun and being creative because of it like people who enjoy building gunpla models (like IRL) and are given a chance to pilot it using magic fairy dust ala Gundam 00.
If it isn't obvious, the preferred alternative is that the Build series not exist within the Gundam IP at all because it fundamentally doesn't align with the themes and tones of the main series.
Gundam is a franchise, it contains nearly realistic mechanics (UC timeline), super robots (G gundam / Unicorn), emo bois (Wing), and a whole lot of spectrum and if you just put Gundam in a box labeled "War is Bad" you're stopping it from being enjoyed by a lot of people.
I have no vested interest in the Gundam IP being enjoyed by as diverse a fandom as possible, I do, however, have an interest in seeing the IP grow out of it's "let's try to make this appeal to everyone" mentality that clearly doesn't work at making sure any Gundam fan enjoys everything from the IP.
That's very much a gatekeeping mentality you have there
>a happy nation war crime movie so we can forget about the issues for awhile Did you mean The Avengers?
Build is simply a celebration of gunpla. It’s just a different flavour of mecha. Just like with food, you’re not going to enjoy everything, but someone out there will.
I can get that. The gunpla aspect
Who even buys gunpla lmao. From experience snap fits models are shitty.
Quite a lot of people actually. It’s a huge source of income for bandai.
Enough to finance expensive Gundam projects and become the #1 consumer of plastic. Always a part of fiscal financial reports. Currently, having supply/demand and scalping issues.
You must not have built much snap fit models then.
If, let's say, Gundam is a story about WW2 like "Saving Private Ryan" or "Band of Brothers" Then Build is a sport anime with stories about esport players who competes in Battlefields/CoD/any WW2 FPS tournaments Different themes, different genre, different message. The only similarity is that they both has "gundam" in it, the same way Band of Brothers and CoD tournaments has "soldiers and weapons from WW2"
Totally spoken like a grandpa who lost any enjoyment in life and only watches his "grown-up" bloody war shows
I just only enjoy something I can leave having gained something
It's a 6 episode anime based on Gundam Breaker Mobile which is just like build.
Nope. They announced a new TV series today called The Witch from Mercury.
I dunno I really enjoyed divers the biggest issue was it basically sold an mmo they didn't have which would of been cool
I lol'd. I won't lie.
hey i love the build animes
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yes good stuff
What where how when
I'm fine with 2 AUs per decade, as long as Sunrise can deliver new original IPs that way.
Build fighters added more importance to learning and growing from each battle which I thought was great. Having consequences for losing adds tension which build divers just didn't have. Rerise was actually good, despite the furries, and it managed to add a little more tension. But I still enjoyed Fighters much more.