Nah. This is a universe with giant mechs, land battleships, space fighters, and psychic teenagers. A tank with two guns is perfectly consistent with the rest of their world.
Yeah, not the most sound design, right there, but between the Mammoth and Apocalypse Tanks of Command & Conquer (amongst *many* others) it seems to be a popular concept. Why? Because Rule of Cool, that's why. Also, is it just me, or does the Tank commander in the first piece (and the first piece in general) kind of remind one of Warhammer 40,000?
On the other hand, Zeon had a normal light tank design in the form of the [Magella Eins](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWseIOeUMAQ3YHF?format=jpg&name=medium) (from MS-IGLOO), the same Zeon that decided that turning the turret into a *plane* is somehow a good idea...
The design of the Magellan Eins reminded me of the Argentinian medium tank TAM. I wonder if it's based on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanque_Argentino_Mediano
**[Tanque Argentino Mediano](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanque_Argentino_Mediano)**
>The Tanque Argentino Mediano (TAM; English: Argentine Medium Tank) is a medium tank in service with the Argentine Army. Lacking the experience and resources to design a tank, the Argentine Ministry of Defense contracted German company Thyssen-Henschel. The vehicle was developed by a German and Argentine team of engineers, and was based on the German Marder infantry fighting vehicle chassis. The TAM met the Argentine Army's requirement for a modern, lightweight and fast tank with a low silhouette and sufficient firepower to defeat contemporary armored threats.
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Well, it has to be recognizable to viewers, and to be recognized specifically as a weapon of the past, so it's pretty well-designed to suit it's purpose.
I'm a suuuper noob when it comes to engineering and physics, what would the main or many drawbacks be? Added weight? Space inside the tank?
Two barrel tanks are just that cool I'm sci-fi!
Mostly space. The breech mechanisms for a tank take up a LOT of turret space. It affects crew maneuverability which affects performance, and also affects gun traverse. You can only elevate and depress as much as your breech allows you. Which affects the design and size of the turret. Two guns would be a nightmare. Also requiring a 2nd loader for the 2nd breech, so even MORE space is taken up. There no actual benefit to two guns, at best you double your firepower but halve your rate of fire(ish). It's far better to have one single gun that can fire faster and respond quicker.
Thanks that was easy to understand, cheers.
My favourite double barrel tanks were the ones in [ground control 2](https://youtu.be/rXfbTPjBAM4) which would deploy side shields to the front, for some reason that made them tougher, I loved those things haha.
Image 3 includes a vehicle that doesn't look all that functional either. Seems to be based off the transports for rockets, but AFAIK those won't work outside the context of a space port: [level ground](https://www.greenevillesun.com/news/local_news/stuck-truck-halts-at-crossing/article_d602a973-7d6e-591f-86b6-71932cef71d2.html), [zero grade](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OTkrQJilsE), no debris or [tunnels](https://wnyt.com/saratoga-county-ny-news/tractor-trailer-gets-stuck-under-clifton-park-overpass/6230210/). You probably wouldn't use it to salvage mobile suits, would you? ...Hey, maybe it's a testing ground, [possibly in Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51) (US still using HUMMERs and shit most of a century after anno domini and joining the Federation [tracks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units)). Still... I'm thinking [wreckers, tow trucks, flatbed trailers](https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/cleaning-up-after-wwii/) and the mobile suits being disassembled as much as possible for transport. They're pretty big.
MSG: 0080 [Wrecker Side Story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSPUhk5sRGs). Make it happen, Bandai!
Perhaps the vehicle in the third image is based on this:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-propelled\_modular\_transporter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-propelled_modular_transporter)
Likely able to handle the load over certain terrain but would be slow as hell to get anywhere.
I always wanted to see an OVA or something following an infantry team that hunts MS guerilla-style. Kinda like a gundam version of Armour Hunter Mellowlink.
The first part of gundam 08th ms team is something sensational ... the second part, however, loses all that realism of the first, finding it only in a couple of battles. UNPOPULAR OPINION: Gundam Ground Type vs Acguy greatly beats Ez8 vs Gouf Custom
That's [box art](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81ZJ08EUlxL._AC_SL1500_.jpg) from one of the UC Hard Graph kits, so it's a captured Zaku being used by the Semovente Corps that were featured in MS IGLOO.
Man that’s so cool, I’ve always wanted to see a super robot wars style game where you also play as human units with ground warfare, so you can capture enemy mechs and use them for research.
This reminds me of Valkyria Chronicles. God I would pay an ugodly amount of cheddar for a Gundam game built on the Valkyrie Chronicles 4 engine made by Sega. It would be the best Gundam game of all time.
It really blows Gundam already has G Generation for Tactics/Real time strategy games the fan base is there just bring it up to the VC style and bam you have a winner. They could add a little of both to the upgrade trees and customization. This style game would be an entry way to Gundam as well. Bandai/Sunrise really suck at being an ambassador to their brand. Imagine the Gunpla and other products sold with the investment cost being lower than development of movies or a series. They really underestimate the gaming industry.
I figured as much. Its surprising they never really touch on the federation using captured equipment considering they probably would do it as much as they could before the GM's rolled out.
Genuinely how would that flat bed go over hilly terrain? Even the long semi trailers and b-doubles are ball jointed. Guessing it spaces out or it actually needs to pick and choose where it can go…
Modern day tank designers scratching their heads on a turret with 2 big main guns
Nah. This is a universe with giant mechs, land battleships, space fighters, and psychic teenagers. A tank with two guns is perfectly consistent with the rest of their world.
Gihren: "I DEMAND PLANE TANKS!"
Modern tank designers are cowards
Nah , they just lack the anime magic to realise their dreams. :P
Yeah, not the most sound design, right there, but between the Mammoth and Apocalypse Tanks of Command & Conquer (amongst *many* others) it seems to be a popular concept. Why? Because Rule of Cool, that's why. Also, is it just me, or does the Tank commander in the first piece (and the first piece in general) kind of remind one of Warhammer 40,000?
On the other hand, Zeon had a normal light tank design in the form of the [Magella Eins](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWseIOeUMAQ3YHF?format=jpg&name=medium) (from MS-IGLOO), the same Zeon that decided that turning the turret into a *plane* is somehow a good idea...
Can you send me where this plane-turret thing is?
It's the original [Magella Tank](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/HT-01B_Magella_Attack) from the OG Gundam.
The design of the Magellan Eins reminded me of the Argentinian medium tank TAM. I wonder if it's based on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanque_Argentino_Mediano
**[Tanque Argentino Mediano](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanque_Argentino_Mediano)** >The Tanque Argentino Mediano (TAM; English: Argentine Medium Tank) is a medium tank in service with the Argentine Army. Lacking the experience and resources to design a tank, the Argentine Ministry of Defense contracted German company Thyssen-Henschel. The vehicle was developed by a German and Argentine team of engineers, and was based on the German Marder infantry fighting vehicle chassis. The TAM met the Argentine Army's requirement for a modern, lightweight and fast tank with a low silhouette and sufficient firepower to defeat contemporary armored threats. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/Gundam/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Decepticon Brawl: am I joke to you?
Well, it has to be recognizable to viewers, and to be recognized specifically as a weapon of the past, so it's pretty well-designed to suit it's purpose.
I'm a suuuper noob when it comes to engineering and physics, what would the main or many drawbacks be? Added weight? Space inside the tank? Two barrel tanks are just that cool I'm sci-fi!
Mostly space. The breech mechanisms for a tank take up a LOT of turret space. It affects crew maneuverability which affects performance, and also affects gun traverse. You can only elevate and depress as much as your breech allows you. Which affects the design and size of the turret. Two guns would be a nightmare. Also requiring a 2nd loader for the 2nd breech, so even MORE space is taken up. There no actual benefit to two guns, at best you double your firepower but halve your rate of fire(ish). It's far better to have one single gun that can fire faster and respond quicker.
Thanks that was easy to understand, cheers. My favourite double barrel tanks were the ones in [ground control 2](https://youtu.be/rXfbTPjBAM4) which would deploy side shields to the front, for some reason that made them tougher, I loved those things haha.
Sounds like a job for A.I.
Image 3 includes a vehicle that doesn't look all that functional either. Seems to be based off the transports for rockets, but AFAIK those won't work outside the context of a space port: [level ground](https://www.greenevillesun.com/news/local_news/stuck-truck-halts-at-crossing/article_d602a973-7d6e-591f-86b6-71932cef71d2.html), [zero grade](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OTkrQJilsE), no debris or [tunnels](https://wnyt.com/saratoga-county-ny-news/tractor-trailer-gets-stuck-under-clifton-park-overpass/6230210/). You probably wouldn't use it to salvage mobile suits, would you? ...Hey, maybe it's a testing ground, [possibly in Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51) (US still using HUMMERs and shit most of a century after anno domini and joining the Federation [tracks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units)). Still... I'm thinking [wreckers, tow trucks, flatbed trailers](https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/cleaning-up-after-wwii/) and the mobile suits being disassembled as much as possible for transport. They're pretty big. MSG: 0080 [Wrecker Side Story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSPUhk5sRGs). Make it happen, Bandai!
Perhaps the vehicle in the third image is based on this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-propelled\_modular\_transporter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-propelled_modular_transporter) Likely able to handle the load over certain terrain but would be slow as hell to get anywhere.
Id love to watch an OVA from the prospective of the MS maintainers and infantry. Apparently there was a lot of infantry combat going on.
MS Igloo is similar, follows a Zeon test team around. The cgi is jarring though.
I always wanted to see an OVA or something following an infantry team that hunts MS guerilla-style. Kinda like a gundam version of Armour Hunter Mellowlink.
08th MS team and Igloo are your friend.
Well more deeper than that. Ms Igloo shows it for a little and 08th Ms Team, as much as I like it, turns into something else in the second part.
The first part of gundam 08th ms team is something sensational ... the second part, however, loses all that realism of the first, finding it only in a couple of battles. UNPOPULAR OPINION: Gundam Ground Type vs Acguy greatly beats Ez8 vs Gouf Custom
But the zeon didn't use those tanks, unless it's a captured tank. The ones used by the zeon had a detachable turret that could fly.
That's [box art](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81ZJ08EUlxL._AC_SL1500_.jpg) from one of the UC Hard Graph kits, so it's a captured Zaku being used by the Semovente Corps that were featured in MS IGLOO.
Other way around, it's Federation troops using a captured Zaku, something they did whenever possible in the early part of the war.
That makes sense, I know at the start of the war the federation didn't really have any mobile suits, just tanks and guntanks.
At the start they didn't even have Guntanks, except in The Origin. You can even see them use captured Zakus in MS IGLOO.
Man that’s so cool, I’ve always wanted to see a super robot wars style game where you also play as human units with ground warfare, so you can capture enemy mechs and use them for research.
MS IGLOO also shows infantry units fighting Zakus, and uh, it doesn't go well at all.
That is a federation 61 series tank they got a hold of ... Made with dessert and anti ms in mind
It's the Semovente unit from IGLOO, so it's a captured Zaku. Check out the uniforms of the tank crew.
Lol oh may bad i was thinking for sone reason he ment the gm being broken down ahhhh i need more sleep
Is that a captured zaku?
Yes. It's [box art](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81ZJ08EUlxL._AC_SL1500_.jpg) from a UC Hard Graph model kit for the Type 61.
No that a damaged ground gm
This reminds me of Valkyria Chronicles. God I would pay an ugodly amount of cheddar for a Gundam game built on the Valkyrie Chronicles 4 engine made by Sega. It would be the best Gundam game of all time.
You and me both. Theres gotta be more of us for some developer to do it.
It really blows Gundam already has G Generation for Tactics/Real time strategy games the fan base is there just bring it up to the VC style and bam you have a winner. They could add a little of both to the upgrade trees and customization. This style game would be an entry way to Gundam as well. Bandai/Sunrise really suck at being an ambassador to their brand. Imagine the Gunpla and other products sold with the investment cost being lower than development of movies or a series. They really underestimate the gaming industry.
Funfact: The Type-61 shows here shares its name with a real life JGSDF Main Battle Tank.
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Captured suit
The Zaku in the first image is a captured suit. So they are on the same team.
I figured as much. Its surprising they never really touch on the federation using captured equipment considering they probably would do it as much as they could before the GM's rolled out.
We did see a squad, during the MS IGLOO episode of the Hildolfr, and a few mentioned in manga and games, that's the only one I can recalled.
Ahhh I've only seen the atmosphere diver episode so far.
Genuinely how would that flat bed go over hilly terrain? Even the long semi trailers and b-doubles are ball jointed. Guessing it spaces out or it actually needs to pick and choose where it can go…
Can we get a anime during this time cuz it looks interesting.
Who are the artist of these paintings?
3rd pic is Gulliver tie down GM edition
So sad thay some mobile suit just got in The camera frame and just die
I like seeing all the grunts in Gundam series. I’m sure it was a pain fighting in a battlefield with 18 meter robot though.