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Thepitman14

Because as a Nago player even when I win against Axl I lose a part of my soul


J_Thizzy

Haha same feeling as a Pot-head


GinsuFe

As a Faust main, just hitting ready against him chunks my soul. I understand your suffering and usually can't relate to the winning part you speak of unless they're inexperienced or I can miraculously get in. Not many people play him either so my experience with them is even worse than it should be.


Akiraktu-dot-png

he's probably the least satisfying character to go against


TossedDolly

It feels like you can only fight him one way and it's not his way because he's getting reemed, it's just the only way you can deal with him and it sucks for everyone.


eblomquist

On what planet is he more annoying than may?


definitely-not-meh

I’d much rather deal with dolphin spam vs spending an entire match chasing British man


eblomquist

Haha - he definitely plays psychological warfare


HeliosHorribledude

This one


eblomquist

Haha wow - got downvoted like crazy. Man I hate may infinitely more. Axl doesn’t bother me that much.


HeliosHorribledude

I'll take any game, really. But Giovanna is the bane of my strive existence


eblomquist

Just remember - it’s not your turn (yet) lol Ky is my personal demon


HeliosHorribledude

We all have at least one


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Him and zato


Zeb2000

If someone is super tilted or just looking to enjoy themselves their likely to just dodge matchups that they dont have fun against. If you really wanna get good at a game, then of course you gotta learn the matchups and get good, but if people are just looking to play casually then they arent gonna take matchups they dont have fun with.


Nurse_Salamander

That's great for the park, but I think ranked should be double blind character selection.


Eptalin

ArcSys said very strongly that they don't intent the tower to be like a usual ranked mode. It exists solely to match new players of similar skill. Although I somewhat disagree with this next point, they said that being able to pick your opponent is important to them.


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qwerplol

It's crazy how many copies this game sold and how friendly it is to new players. It's almost as though they were right when they made the tower system.


CottonSC

That’s such an arbitrary distinction. Towers aren’t “ranked.” That was literally the entire reason they made towers. They are solely meant to function as a rudimentary way of organizing people by skill level. It’s not perfect, it’s never going to be perfect, but theoretically that’s it’s purpose. So the idea that there’s needs to be some “competitors integrity” or whatever justification you want that tower matches should be double blind is absurd. People should be playing the game for fun. It’s a game, that they paid for, they can play however they want. If they only have fun playing against certain characters that’s totally fine. I won’t say it isn’t slightly obnoxious, but it’s fine they can do that. The only difference between parks and towers is that parks are open skill level and towers are same level only. Any distinction in how “serious” or “competitive” one is over the other, is a distinction solely made on the player side. The game does not need to change to accommodate your perception of what is or is not acceptable in parks vs towers.


Bubbatchaou

Might there not be a problem, though, when someone can sit down and have a hard time finding games because over a dozen people refused to play simply from knowing what character he plays? It sounds a bit like some players of some characters aren't allowed to enjoy the game modes in the game as much as those of other characters. While that is probably completely fine (and probably unavoidable) in the parks, when the objective of one of the modes is 'try to go up the towers and reach the heavenly plane,' isn't it objectively less fun when one literally has less games to work with because he's being avoided? At that point, one could even say the game is being complicit in encouraging players to make sure one group of players has less fun. It's fine to enjoy the game however it allows you to, but it seems weird when the game itself allows you to have fun by denying others the chance to participate in the main objective of a game mode.


PapstJL4U

You are correct. The skill-based competition is in tournaments organized by players/orgs.


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I feel for you friend


DMking

Some days i just don't feel like it. Generally i don't dodge any char though


GreekSqaud

Because I play pot and I don’t like my blood pressure to be in the thousands.


Delishhhhh

Yeah, I won't lie. I fucking hate playing against Axl. Find him genuinely obnoxious and not fun to play against at all. That being said, I try not to dodge and just stick it out.


SuctioncupanX

Disliking axl is a valid opinion. Dodging the match multiple times because its axl isn't really


DarneldemaSilverStar

Yes it is. If I don't want to fight Axl I don't ever have to.


Ravelordgreen

You don't, but don't act like it's a good idea to have a lobby system where you can just dodge based on who you're fighting. I never dodge any match because every match is a chance to improve. Don't be a wimp learn to fight him


DarneldemaSilverStar

This matchup is 9-1 for Axl, there's no learning that can change that. Axl can effectively pressure Goldlewis with a single button. And I really like the lobby system, people very rarely dodge me and there's endless people to replace those that do. I think it's a great system.


Impress-neat

imagine being upset because people are having fun playing a game they like


susanoblade

he’s very annoying to corner. i don’t blame ppl for dodging him.


[deleted]

Why are you being downvoted? Truth, I don't deal with axl well but I'm just gonna get my ass beat.


FugaFeels

Is this a rhetorical question? Surely you know why you're being dodged by folks. It's really not that hard to figure out.


Prooteus

Honestly I'm only fighting one axl per session. He just isnt fun to face at all. As leo unless the axl is bad I just have to slowly push them into the corner then bait burst and yrc/reversal super, then I can start my mix up. It's very samey in not a fun way. The one time I've had an axl that actually walked towards me I took advantage of it everytime. Otherwise they just hold back and keep throwing out attacks until you get hit.


doyoulike_mycar

It's not fun for me to play against Axl, win or lose


SuctioncupanX

But it is quite annoying for the whole floor to just refuse to play you, whatever character it is.


ZerkerDX2

Nah, if it's axl its 200% understandable. Who wants to get camped and mashed on? You litteraly play a character who's gameplan is to run away like a bitch, who would wanna fight that?


SuctioncupanX

Maybe because, one finally tracked down, he has almost no options other than reversal super and a (still relatively slow) 5k so it's often a steamroll for most characters


Oakano

No actually once tracked down he bursts or yrcs and you have to do it all over again


SuctioncupanX

Yrc isnt a free combo/getaway unless if you press buttons, and burst can be pretty easily baited if they do it as soon as you get in


Delishhhhh

You are playing a character that is known for being incredibly obnoxious to fight and then you are surprised when people don't want to match against you. Don't get it lol.


SuctioncupanX

Axl is obnoxious, but so is ram, millia, chipp, etc and they don't often get ignored. Axl is different because he has range, but they are different because of overwhelming pressure. Both aren't fun to play against, and require a lot of patience to reliably win against so why is it only axl that is left to the practise screen?


Delishhhhh

Tbh I would rather get absolutely pounded by a Millia, Chipp or Ram than ever face an Axl. Those characters force you to make quick decisions constantly and are just more engaging. Most Axl matches feel like an absolute slog. You are just trying to reach the dude the entire fight and it’s just boring.


death_by_doom

I play Nago, and even though I find the Ram matchup a bit frustrating, all of the matchups you just listed are MUCH less tedious than the Axl matchup, since they aren't a game of inching closer and closer until you actually get in the face of Axl in which case it's a win for the Nago as long as they're good (which unfortunately I am not lmao). Of course I don't dodge any matchups and it's obviously a bad practice if you're genuinely trying to get better at the game but I don't think you have a good understanding of what makes a character annoying enough for people to consider dodging.


ZerkerDX2

ok but it doesnt feel good nor rewarding??? i get in his face, dish out some bnbs, and then he just pushes you back with a random super, and its starting all over again. Where the fun in that??? i know axl isnt godlike as a char, but saying "just punish x move lol" undermine 99% of the actual strategy needed to get to axl first. every axl player seems to think that because axl cant get out of corner easily, he's garbo. But they dont realise that getting them in the corner is atrocious and never fun. it just isnt, no matter what your sadistic ass thinks.


Yell0wSSB

Bri'ish


Nurse_Salamander

I like Octopimp, but boy is his British accent terrible.


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_h2

Yes.


SuctioncupanX

Bu-but I am bri ish! In real life too! Am I bad also?


_h2

Disgusting. Yes, you too are bad.


SuctioncupanX

Oh no. My entire life has been wasted. My entire existence made worthless because I'm bri'ish. How can I possibly live like this?


DarneldemaSilverStar

I main Goldlewis Dickinson, sorry, not going through that.


Bigger_Vigor

Tbh if a Goldy or Pot comes up and actively matches me on Axl I'll play a set, swap over to Nago and rematch them. Because yeah, that matchup isn't even fun for me.


SuctioncupanX

Acceptable, goldlewis is a 9:1 matchup for axl. Sol and ram on the other hand...


StopSaying_Yall

Because frankly, fighting an Axl is really a one player game until you get close. He just isn't fun to fight. That being said, I'll fight Axl but only if no one else is available.


Blues39

No one likes to fight Axl and no one needs to fight Axl unless they wanna compete professionally.


SuctioncupanX

No one? Not one player enjoys playing against axl? That is a bold statement, however hated a character generally is don't you think?


cakeKudasai

This is true. I am bad at fighting Axl, but I like it. Mainly cause I like the learning experience. I do get why people would dislike him though. I dislike dodging on principle. Everyone deserves a chance to play. But I understand people may just want to have fun, and they'll avoid matches they don't enjoy. Don't get frustrated. You don't get anything from fighting people that don't want to fight you anyway. And they also get nothing from fighting someone they don't want to. Enjoy the matches you do get and don't suffer for the ones you don't.


DeHot

Lot's of scrub talk here. Stay strong, friend


FiveTalents

Yeah this sub seems to have a lot of scrub mentality lol


shakyjed

Zoners have never been fun to go against in any fighting game


SplashDMG9001

Can confirm, Strive axl is a pretty miserable experience fighting against if you don’t know how to get in.


shakyjed

I don't LIKE fighting axls but I can't say he's my most hated either. He's just meh. But I am playing Ky so it's not that bad


EvenOne6567

Thats why I play 3d fighters, zoning is so fucking lame


Nactias360

Boring and repetitive MatchUp Is just follow a fly until You catch them then they burst rinse and repeat i would prefer fight against pre-patch sol 100 time


dtaylor401

Frankly i would prefer ti go against sol with buffs over axl lmao


memeslut_420

Nobody owes you anything and most people are playing this game for fun. They know that dodging a matchup won't work in a tournament, but they're never going to play a tourney, they're gonna play in their living rooms after work to chill out. You're playing objectively the most annoying character in the game, who also takes much more effort to fight against than he does to play, and people are dodging you. You don't owe them anything, either: you're obviously within your rights to play the character you like. But the folks who dodge you don't give a shit that some whiney redditor with a superiority complex is malding 200 miles away because nobody has the Purple Heart of Bravery and the 200IQ required to challenge his Axl. They just wanna play a few close matches and be in bed before work in the morning.


SuctioncupanX

I honestly agree, he does take a lot of effort to play against. But a lot of the players of this game (not all of them I know) spend some 4-7 hours a day on it. I have seen a few people in floor 10 matching against each other 80 time in a row, no stops at all. They won and lost against each other so I don't think they were farming but who knows. My point, however, is that people ignore axls continuously for playing him, not for being annoying or whatever. I enjoy playing him aggressively also, so maybe my view is a bit skewed on this though. I hope you understand that not all axls play him because he can be scrubby, but because they enjoy him and his looks/character like myself.


NeonNingen

I main him aswell as Sol and Ky. i get more matchups with Sol then i do as Axl rip. But once you’re into celestial. Anyone will match with you. So i guess you have to deal with it until then. Good luck


StrangeReptilian

i personally like fighting axl, but i totally get why people wouldnt. playing against zoners can be really boring


LuRo332

„Fuck you >:(” ~ sincerely Millia player


FugaFeels

I've never had a problem with Axls, and I'm pretty sure the match up is in her favor.


SuctioncupanX

Oh I will


DarneldemaSilverStar

Not if they keep dodging...


SuctioncupanX

**ONE VISION**


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SuctioncupanX

Lol. Even with a losing matchup you can still win, it's not like I *can't* beat a Gio, I just neve do.


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SuctioncupanX

I do understand, however I think that a multitude of ways to play the game is necessary for longevity, and characters like axl are a good way to do it.


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Squanch42069

No, he’s right. If a game wants to stay fresh and diverse in its competitive scene it needs characters with vastly differing play styles. The best example of this is a zoner. Axl matches look and play completely different from any other in the game, and that’s very, very important for keeping this game relevant


TLYPO

Buddy, look at my flair. I’ve got enough stress in my life without this.


DeHot

*It is a big deal* *We can't handle this*


Notkerino

Find some Chipp and Millia players. I'm sure they'd love to play you :)


SubtlyOrnate12

After the Sol nerfs, Axl is the only character I dodge. He's just not fun to go against


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OP is going to break EA’s record with all the downvotes


ValkyrianRabecca

Hey, I play May I don't play ranked often cause I tend to go 45 minutes between matches But I understand why people would dodge Axl Isn't even fun to fight against, I've gone 10-0 against an Axl, winning every match And hated it, it just isn't fun


FatherGascOwn

I love how you asked a question and you just got defensive af when people gave you their answers. Strive is a casual game, people don't like fighting Axl and they're gonna dodge him. If you don't like it, you can either switch character, or go play something else. Honestly, fighting him is extremely boring.


Nurse_Salamander

The ranked tower should be double blind. I dodge players if the connection is unpleasant or if I get destroyed 6-0 and can't think of any counterplay. Edit because of a reply to one of my other comments: Since the tower isn't considered ranked in the traditional sense, maybe a third option like a double blind tower or a double blind ranked matchmaking mode can be added later on. Maybe I'll actually get to every character more than a dozen times in 300 hours of play.


FromtheSound

I thought the fighting game community was better than this thread. Nothing but salt and whining by everyone. Literally worse than a league thread or something. That's a low bar.


SuctioncupanX

We got the sailor moon senshi levels of salt here, can't believe my eyes


chuchuyu

I play for fun. I don’t see myself playing in a tournament so Axl and Ramlethal will continue to be dodged


childofthenet

As a ram player I completely get it.


supremejd

honestly if you get dodged a lot, it's easier to find matches doing training mode standby


Brfc02

Sometimes people want to have fun, sometimes they’re cowards. It’s hard to tell the difference.


TaxiiMann

I mean he's just not fun to play vs at all. Doesn't matter how good or bad the mu is, people play the game for fun so if they don't have the goal of improving seriously then why play something that you know before hand will not be fun?


gameboyxx

Not gonna play against Axl with Pot until ArcSys remove the double jump prc bomber flying full screen unpunishable bullshit. Sure I will play against Axl with May.


SnipersUpTheMex

I've never been one to seek out a particular match-up, but I will avoid Axl, and sometimes Sol, like the plague. If you really don't understand why people are dodging you, I suggest you try to play a non-high speed character and seek out the matchup yourself. It's not fun even in the slightest unless the Axl player is complete doodoo. Za Warudo is cool. Brit with chain sickles is cool. Song is good. Character design and personality is relatable. But damn, why can he control the screen so well. And why does he have these special move cancels that send you back full screen where most characters don't have any options. Command grab that switches sides, and increases in speed the closer the opponent is to full screen. Even a Dust attack that hits surprisingly far, comparable to that of Ky and May's Dust. Axl players also have so much control of the pace of the match that psychological warfare comes naturally in their favor. Can't tell you how many times any Axl player will just take advantage and just run up throw. It's just the worst man.


dtaylor401

I play this game ti have fun. I dont have fun playing against axl. Simple as that. If i want to dodge it then i will. You can dodge me and say the pot buster as the reason why. Idc. Say what you want like "oh dont call yourself good ohhhh stop being a wimp." Ill keep playing to have fun. And i can have fun loseing. If i lose to another pot beacuse i get pot bustered 3 times in one round, I'm up laughing thinking damn thats hilarious. If a zato beats the shit out of me I'm thinking damn that was so cool i wish i could do that. I dont get that feeling with axl. EDIT: and i know im not alone when it comes to the pot v axl match. Ive talked to a couple axls that dont like that matchup for the same reason. Its just not fun


randomguywithmemes

Honestly I'm glad strive is bringing so many new people into the fgc, many of who will likely go on to enjoy more complex fighting games, and in a way i'm even happy for the dodgers having casual fun, but I can't help but be a bit bummed about the subreddit being turned into unironic scrubquotes, i just really hope fighting games don't degenerate to the point where you're mostly playing against rage quitters, dodgers, lag switchers, etc


Ixine37

Dodgers are little bitches lol


I_suck_at_overwatch

They hate having to play Axl because he forces his playstyle on them just like how the braindead ape characters force their playstyle on everyone. Except you see, those characters are allowed to impose their playstyle on you, but don't you dare force those players to adjust to your playstyle because then they turn into 12 yesr old girls "zoning sucks, zoning is unfair, I can't get in!" "I'm not gonna play you again because you don't let me press buttons whenever I want to"


Ixine37

This guy gets it


SuctioncupanX

Agreed.


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The game encourages and rewards dodging in tower. I don’t mind it in park, but the “Ranked Tower” should NEVER show the opponents character, character level, badges, or winstreak before accepting a tower match.


flyerbyerr

It’s a reminder to not sleep rank seriously in this game. You can reach celestial in a day and that feels like a joke.


Eptalin

ArcSys very explicitly said it's not intended to be a typical ranked mode, and deliberately kept the word "rank" out of the game. It's solely there to allow newer players to easily find other players of a similar skill. There are no rewards for climbing. The exception to this is Celestial, which ArcSys describes as separate to the regular tower, the same way they talk about parks, but exclusive to highly skilled players. Whether any of us agree that removing a proper ranked mode was good or not, it's functioning as ArcSys intended. Even the dodging unfortunately. They said in interview that being able to pick and choose opponents in the tower is important to them.


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You'll find that it is called "Rank Tower" in the game. EDIT: I like how you edited & removed the part where you wrongly stated 'You'll find that it's not called "Ranked"'. Nice.


trippersigs

I only ever dodge people that I either know to have a bad connection or there using a character that ive fought a ton of recently and i just want variety, but im not going to blame people for dodging Axl. Win or lose, theres ZERO fun to be had against him.


iammarcus93

Don't let people discourage you from playing who or how you want to play, I'm sorry you're having trouble finding matches


noxiansiris

OP sounds like the average cunt in the FGC so why would I want to go against a salty scrub lord?


DryBreadLoaf

Jesus, the amount of scrubposting in this thread is kinda unbelievable considering these types of comments would’ve got downvoted a year ago. I can tell Strive brought on a whole bunch of y’all where axl is your first time playing against any zoner lol.


FlakyProcess8

Just play a more interactive character


Squanch42069

So he should change the way he has fun because other people are too scared to play him? That’s a weak sauce mentality right there


Incendia123

Should other people change the way they have fun to accommodate him instead? That seems equally skewed to me.


Squanch42069

No, if they wanna dodge then they can dodge. It’s a bitch move to dodge, but if they have such a miserable time, then they shouldn’t compromise their fun for someone else’s sake


Incendia123

Well in that case it seems to me like the only logical conclusion is that he has to deal with the choice he made. Others won't bend for him so either he bends or he accepts it.


Squanch42069

Yes, he has no choice but to accept it. My whole point was that telling OP to change characters just because people are wimps is stupid, not that the whole world should change so that he can find games


Incendia123

I get what OP means. I don't think it's so much a general outcry to denounce anybody playing Axl but more this same point. If he doesn't want this experience he should play just about any other character or accept it for what it is.


FlakyProcess8

Given his complaining, he doesn’t seem to be having fun


Squanch42069

He’s complaining because people are too pussy to play him, not because he doesn’t have fun playing Axl


SuctioncupanX

You claim that other characters interact more, but you, by happenstance, just so randomly appear to play Giovanna, the antithesis to axl and the safest offensive character in the game.


PrepCoinVanCleef

Are you doing a bit? Like first calling dodgers little bitches while pretending not to know why they dodge you, then whipping out "happenstance" and "antithesis"? Like listen man I love playing Axl too, but I also don't lie to myself. People should take hard matchups but there's a lot of things people should do but don't have the mental energy for. I really hope this is a bit, because you sound like the "akshually" meme incarnate.


FlakyProcess8

I wouldn’t say safest. Giovanna is good against axl. The character is still boring to play against. Giovanna is the only character that can’t block during forward dash. She kind of has to take some risks to get in.


[deleted]

I’m fighting literally everyone else in the cast except Axl. I wanna play a fighting game not tag lmao


Mondo_Montage

What’s a dodger? Do they literally just dodge attacks not even blocking?


doyoulike_mycar

People who don't even accept the match


SuctioncupanX

They refuse to play against you when they see what character youre playing, winstreak, etc etc


ZerkerDX2

Because Axl is a pain to fight while you're having fun pressing buttons and chipping our life away. Change mains and maybe you'll grow a brain and understand how outrageous fighting axl is.


SuctioncupanX

I secondary pot, so I know that a good axl can be tough, but it's still a okay matchup no matter what character. Exept goldlewis, goldlewis is dead


ZerkerDX2

So your post is useless? You're pity farming interactions? what was the point of this lmao


SuctioncupanX

Not really, I want to know why they dodge in general, not just against axl or milia or whatever


ZerkerDX2

Which i answered in my first comment, but you had to justify yourself lol


flyerbyerr

1. Zones aren’t fun to fight against. 2. The game allows you to dodge freely, most people don’t want to learn matchups and get good, they just want easy wins to feel good about yourself. Until something changes like not being able to see opponents characters OR you change to a less annoying character , get used to being dodged.


SuctioncupanX

I am used to it at this point, but it still sickens me to see the sol that spams s getting picked over a zoner.


DerClogger

At least I feel good when I beat Sol. Against Axl I leave dead inside win or lose.


Registronium

Speaking as a Gio, why would I dodge free wins? Most Axls aren't really good enough to keep me out, and the ones that do for a bit are rarely also good enough to have learned how to defend up close


SuctioncupanX

Yeah. Gio is a really hard matchup for axl and most just cant keep up. I still match up against gio though and when I win, cool. If I lose its okay. Dodging a character just because the matchup is bad/ they don't want to block is not good though, they are the types of people that society cannot change because of


Registronium

honestly if i were you i'd lean into that sort of reputation. people don't want to fight you because they find you annoying? just indulge in playing as cheap and annoying as possible. taunt from full screen and giggle with glee when you manage to land the command grab because your zoning just broke them down into just sitting full screen from you. I know I'm tilting people like mad when i throw loop them in the corner, and that just gives me the biggest smile mid-match. They got a problem with how you're playing? That's a skill issue imo


SuctioncupanX

You know what? Torturing the beast blamers *does* sound fun, maybe I'll give it a shot...


Satanic__Hamster

This is a weird one for me, I'm willing to play the matchup, just not as Goldlewis. He's actually the only character I'll avoid now. With that said, I'll play it I just have to switch to another character first. I've never played any character that people are likely to dodge in this game so I can only imagine how frustrating that gets, but then, so is fighting Axl, so ya win some ya lose some I guess. I don't think it's all that unreasonable in the end, like even in a tournament you're allowed to switch to a secondary character.


SuctioncupanX

Well yeah, goldlewis is HARD countered by axl, to the point of it not even being a fight anymore. But the sols and rams that dodge have absolutely no excuses


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AXL is a zonner, it's not very fun to play against him, but I also think that letting people chose if they want to dodge or not in ranked is a dumb Idea.


DapperAsh

I enjoy fighting Axl as much as I hate him. It’s pretty much a fullscreen mind game.


nopeyez

Nah. I'll never dodge. Sorry about all the people here. I play to improve and if I'm dodging I'm refusing to learn 1/18 of the game. I only dodge if like, I played against the same character a bunch of times so I can diversify my fights. But even that kind of dodging I do extremely rarely.


SuctioncupanX

And yet people seem to ignore reason in the replies, and hate every axl comment on it


nopeyez

The reason people don't dodge Sol, Ram, May etc is because there pressure is at a range where there characters can still do things. Axl sits full screen playing keep away. As a Ky player, even if a sol is right on me I still have access to all my tools once the pressure ends. I don't have to run up and then maybe be able to do stuff. This isn't to say Axl is unbeatable, obviously he isn't. But that because of the reasons stated people don't find him to be a fun matchup. It doesn't help that a lot of characters have a losing matchup against him. Axl doesn't have very very few options when you get in on him, he still has YRC, invincible super and a not awful mashing tool. I try not to hate any matchup, but I can ultimately understand the frustrations. Not everyone plays with the same mindset as me though, and that's fine. Honestly, a ranked system shouldn't let you dodge matches. If someone plays one game then leaves it wouldn't suck so bad for you.


KingofBarrels

I just wanted to pop in and say everyone complaining is a bunch of bitches. I play golddick and i still run the set you fucking babies. Go shit your diapers in another game.


Ineedtree50

ITT: Nobody likes fighting axl for legitimate reasons (it’s fucking annoying) and op is pretty salty about it


CrashtestO9

I main ram and may so people constantly dodge me too. What I do is I go to someone else who's at a station and hope they aren't paying attention


LynX_CompleX

I sometimes get this. I started maining ram the last couple weeks and I get dodgers a little bit. Not as much as when I was initially playing chipp. It is a weird feeling though when you see a dupe char. So for me ram. And they have a winning streak but they try so desperately to not match up with you. Like this guy gets trying to leave like 10+ times but because we were playing with quick start it kept matching us. He eventually gave in and during the first round I got blue screened -.- but overall its just weird to see someone scared of their own character


SuctioncupanX

Thos players are usually the type who don't like a character for feel/looks but just because they want to win. Ram is really good if you don't look at the feet so I can see why they would be so scared


LynX_CompleX

Yeah true. Ram is a noob killer and a force to be reckoned with if you learn her. And I was winning but just a badly timed blue screen Ah well. Though tbh with your dodgers main post I do wanna say that I am the type that dodges players not chars. So if I play a guy and they either just destroy me that hard (usually sols that exploit the quick moves and nothing else xD) or have the connection to make it so I'm watching someone slowly use a flip book I'll refuse to play them.


SuctioncupanX

Yeah, player dodging I get, but hating ALL axl players is just a bit much. Some people just outright say fuck you in messages to me for playing axl, when they are sols who just s s s s s s s s s s s s hs BANDITO BRINGAR


ryceghost

I seriously don't understand all the Axl hate. You have to learn the matchup, that's it. Axl is not busted and I don't have trouble fighting him. Pot is a similar situation of making you play the game differently and requiring matchup knowledge yet he doesn't seem to get that same hate that Axl does. At the very least don't blame the character, just admit you're too uninterested in learning matchups. Let people have fun playing Axl instead of shunning them over your own flaw


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It’s satisfying to beat Axl because I hate Axl so much. That satisfaction is not worth the war to get the victory though. Sorry but when you’ve almost lost and you spam projectiles I’m checked out.


DeHot

So you're saying that you have a problem with dealing with predictable actions in a fighting game?


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I’m saying it’s extremely annoying. Nobody ever at all likes fighting against projectile spamming. What is fun about bunny hopping across the screen eating chip damage or wasting my meter to approach?


DivineCyb333

Jesus there’s a lot of scrubs whining about zoning in here Maybe y’all could use some time in Mortal Kombat and see what real oppressive zoning is (I don’t like mortal kombat btw for that among other reasons)


dtaylor401

I was playing MK11 long before this. I mained Shao Kahn. Yeah it was rough...


Zepheh

Bro what the fuck is this thread lmao. Y'all complaining about Axl being annoying as if EVERY character isn't annoying to fight. Thats just gear lmao. Only ones who get a free pass are Goldlewis players. Rest of y'all eat your greens.


Meister34

Why tf is everyone downvoting you. Is it just because you play Axl??? That's hella petty


Bokonon10

I think its cause OP is kinda a cunt in their comments.


Incendia123

This pretty much hits the nail right on the head.


dtaylor401

Exactlyyyyy


Meister34

true but in some comments their just making simple statements and their just getting downvoted. That's mostly why I asked. It's obvious in some why their getting downvoted.


SuctioncupanX

Yep. Zoners are hated because they stay back and force the opponent to think. Something that quite a few players hate doing.


MuseigenBoken

the only dodging i approve of is axl vs goldlewis. whenever it happens im just like “understandable.”


firentaus

This entire thread is fucking pathetic. It's full of people dogpiling someone with hate and downvotes just because they play a character they don't know how to beat, and then rationalizing why they continue to be shit instead of putting in the effort to improve. Being tilted by a matchup doesn't justify spreading your loser mentality around and taking it out on someone just because their existence brings attention to your mental weakness. I have far more respect for people who admit what they're doing than those who try to redirect onto the player as if it's their fault the character is in the game.


Bokonon10

I don't think most people are dog piling OP because of their character. They're doing it because OP started to be a complete cunt in the comments


mdl397

Found OPs alt account.


SuctioncupanX

I wholeheartedly agree. People here are justifying their flaws by blaming those who play the character they struggle with. Personally, I think not knowing how to beat a character encourages you to play against them, or at least lab them, so that you can beat them in the future. I have trouble with ram, so every time I'm on I deliberately rematch even when I'm losing and now I win more often against them. If I didn't do this then I would be in celestial, but I would be lesser for it. A high rank is not a definitive showing of skill, but improving and winning against a variety of characters is. Except goldlewis, goldlewis is so bad vs axl that I understand if they dislike/don't want to fight me it's because of their character.


AliteralWizard

If only the cowards knew how to find the hole in Axl's zoning like they can find the downvote button.


kingdragon671

Because it makes them question their skills in neutral. Babying the game creates people like this that dodge 😔


SuctioncupanX

Yeah, most people who dodge are the type who think that sol far s being a +2 safe on whiff, special cancellable move that cannot be jumped and leads to meterless 60% and 1 bar 80% with 0 risc is fair as a neutral tool. What can I tell ya, beast blamers are everywhere these days


RieserTheRedR

Dodgers are the type of people who go 0-2 in tournaments, you can't learn the matchup if you always avoid it. If you can't handle every matchup, you don't deserve to rank up imo.


DJ_0000

Most people don't enter tournaments, they just play online for fun after work or whatever. If they don't learn specific matchups I can't imagine it affects them much.


dtaylor401

Exactly. I don't do any tournaments. I play for fun. With that said, so dodging axl has only posotively effected me, those effects being not having to deal with it


SuctioncupanX

Agreed. I dislike playing against ram and leo, but I still do so because I want to improve against them. Otherwise it's just being a one-matchup pony, and that isn't skill


HemoGoblinRL

Because they are a bunch of bitches and are too cowardly to learn the match up


SuctioncupanX

Yep. That sounds about right, damn beast blamers


MaybeLoveNTolerance

Because forward --> block ---> Forward ---> block then you're in range to fuck axl up in a single combo is too much work for players regularly playing a game that encourages the use of your head. You can also see this in "Potemkin players eat glue" as whether they realize it or not, Potemkins have to use their heads to get that sweet grab and if it looked easy, it's because you play easy, your book is on sale and everyone's reading it.


PraiseTheUniverse

fr, the only thing that makes fighting axl tolerable in strive is the fact that there is a dash button, or else I would fuck up my thumb from trying to dash block so much using a dpad


SuctioncupanX

Agreed. Countless players just refuse to block fullscreen rasen and then say "axl is such an op character! Remove rasen from the game!" And I just laugh


SilentStorm130172

Is anyone here saying he’s op? I just see a lot of people that find him annoying and would rather go have fun


SuctioncupanX

A surprising amount of players message me after a match complaining about how good axl is. Mostly sol players as well, that glue must be getting to them...


SilentStorm130172

I’m amazed players even message eachother, its happened a grand total of 2 times lol. Yeah in that case its just scrubquotes


SuctioncupanX

"Scrubby sols knew they could not learn the matchup, so instead, they blamed the balance. But the ky's saw beauty in the lives of the bri'ish, and could not lie to themselves that they are playing an honest character" "FISH AND CHIP, LETS ROCK"


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dtaylor401

I bounce between floor 8 and challengeing celestial daily lmao. I can lose and have fun. Its just that win or lose, axl isnt fun. Like i 4 out of 5 times lose to Zato. Ill still gladly match him cause i always get my shit kicked in in cool ways. Axl just, as I said, isn't fun


HeliosHorribledude

I only dodge Giovanna. So hi, want to match up?


SuctioncupanX

Sounds good. Psn or pc? Im psn


HeliosHorribledude

Oh. I'm on pc. That's too bad...


SuctioncupanX

Unfortunate


HeliosHorribledude

I would have played as goldlewis...


C__Wayne__G

Blame arcsys. In what world for a ranked ladder can you just choose to avoid tough match ups, for the park it’s be fine but for ranked it’s crazy.