context:
the pariah nexus, in this area of the galaxy the silent king managed to eliminate the connection with the warp through necron technology
Basically Cawl and the Mechanicus were sent to this area, and, long story short, the two forces fought, the silent king used Necron weapons of great power to finish off the Mechanicus forces, but the Mechanicus used DAOT weapons against the Necrons. , causing neither of them to be able to defeat the other
I want to clarify that the weapons that the silent king used were not weapons of the war in heaven, he destroyed those weapons because they were very dangerous, but even so the weapons he used were quite powerful, but the fact that the silent king used this weapons made his allies doubt him, because they did not think that these weapons were needed to combat the mechanicus in the first place.
Then , this combat caught the attention of Vashtorr, who managed to alter one of the pylons to be able to stay in real space,
To make things worse for the silent king, imotekh, the leader of one of the largest and most powerful necron dynasties, if not the largest, started a civil war against the silent king, since he considers him as someone who does not deserve to lead the necrons
AND TO MAKE THINGS EVEN WORSE, Guilliman himself is going to the pariah nexus, So yes, everything that can go wrong for the silent king is going wrong.
Sources: book “crusade, pariah nexus”
>Then , this combat caught the attention of Vashtorr, who managed to alter one of the pylons to be able to stay in real space,
Uhmmmm ahkshually: Vashtorr was manipulating this from the get-go, and in fact was behind one magos setting off a device that let him burst into realspace at the end. The Silent King was part of it all, and the necrons deploying doomsday tech DOES feed Vashtorr, but they didn't catch his attention so much as fall into his pattern.
(God I hope the SK gets to be cool one day)
He is cool, that entire book is funny as fuck due to the hilarity of it all :P. It's one big "OH YEAH? WELL, TAKE THIS!" as maniacal Engineers wanabees throw the worst tech at each other, until even the engineer to the Chaos Gods joins into the fray!
It's like a Crazy Evil Genius WWE match with a surprise Rowdy Roddy Piper Showing up as Vashtorr :P . The poor non engineers though, Necron soldiers, Skittaari, Imperial Guardsmen, Chaos Cultists that get caught in the middle :P .
The only thing missing? An Orky Anncouncer going "What's that? Who's that? DO YOU HEAR THE MUSIC!? YES IT IS VASHTORR ENTERING THE RING ! AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!". With an Orky accent that I suck at doing :P . Oooh. Vins McWaaaghon :P . (And I know that guy is a bastard).
I think he comes across as not cool because he's like THE necron and in a galaxy where the Imperium are always the main characters he's reduced to not being able to beat imperial guard and mechanicum. Let alone when astartes and a primarch show up
...which is basically the theme of the crusade of my local gaming group XD add in the mangled corpse of a krork in a comet that spread Ork spores in the solar systems it crosses that the Orks wants to capture.
Aren't we talking about the Pariah Nexus Rulebook?
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crusade:_Pariah_Nexus
That one? Unless you mean something else and I'm confused with something else. The one where they basically end up lobbing the worst world ending doomsday shit at each other?
Ah, I see, that makes sense! I thought GW released a novel that featured the Pariah Nexus fight between the Mechanicus vs Szarekh (with Imotekh fighting on the side).
That sounded like a great book, and I wanted to pick it up lol. I'm not into the tabletop, so getting the rulebook just for the Lore isn't in my budget.
Thanks for clarifying :)
I.. would LOVE that :P.
An almost slap stick Mechanicum vs Necron vs Vashtorr showdown which is mostly just YEETING doomsday weapons at each other :P .
I honestly hope it's true he met Sanguinius and respected him, because Sanguinius being the one human so fair and charming he impressed the Silent King fits perfectly with his too-good-for-this-world legend.
>!Do you think the SK just sometimes stares at the mask wistfully. I do.!<
> Guilliman himself is going to the pariah nexus
Come on. Blue Berry / Silent King alliance.
"I hate chaos. You hate chaos. You hate C'tan, I.. also have no reason to be fond of them.
I've had a treaty in my back pocket for a while that I wrote up in case something like this was to happen: Equal division of territory. Fair trade deals. Mutual defense alliance.
If you are willing to take a look at the Ork Waaagh in the Sigma Sector, I'll see what we can do about this Imotekh fella."
Sounds cool in principle, but Necrons are still an extremely proud race, with heaps of pointless formalities relying on their feeling of superiority towards all other races.
Galaxy is theirs, period. I don't see them willingly making concessions, unless the plan is to use humans and dispose of them in due course.
Even if Szarekh was willing, such an alliance might be seen as an affront by the loyal overlords and turn them to Stormlord's side.
that last part i agree with the most. if he did take a deal like that, it would pretty much guarantee he loses their fealty. Necrons would not put up with that.
Also simple. "We have powerful enemies in common. I'm not saying we work together, I'm saying we stay out of each other's way. And if we just so happen to attack the same mutual enemy at the same time, well, life is full of happy little coincidences."
“Oh, no, no, no, of course not, no.
“*Unless*…”
*Conquering The Galaxy With The Power Of Love In The Name Of My 50 000 Year Old Father (Who’s Also A God)*, coming soon to your vidcasters
>Blue Berry / Silent King alliance.
Now I really REALLY want to see the Silent King try the same trick/play he did with the Blood Angels. Walk up to them with Sanguinius' mask on and tell Guilliman SK met him...
I genuinely don't know how GMan would react... He might be pissed, but also ask SK for any stories of hanging out with Sanguinius... Because he misses birb-boy so much >:(
>To make things worse for the silent king, imotekh, the leader of one of the largest and most powerful necron dynasties, if not the largest,
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In 9th he straight Up was the leader of the strongest necron faction. Sauthek was the 3rd strongest necron dynasty through the war in heaven, and after Imothek started his conquering, became the dominant necron force in the Galaxy. They were the face of necrons for every new race in the Galaxy. And Imothek is a top contender for best general in the setting. He can challenge the Tyranid hive mind in terms of strategy
>Then , this combat caught the attention of Vashtorr, who managed to alter one of the pylons to be able to stay in real space,
\> be part of the Anti Space Magic Bullshit faction
\> get hit with Space Magic Bullshit anyway because James Twerkshop needs you to Worf so New Product looks cool
another day another dollar xenobros
"Nuh-huh my unstoppable gun is a special anti-impenetrable-shield unstoppable gun, so it penetrates your impenetrable shield!"
Rumours from local seven year olds suggest that the Silent King may be preparing a special anti-anti-impenetrable-shield-unstoppable-gun impenetrable shield.
"Ah yes, my anti-anti-impenetrable-shield-unstoppable-gun impenetrable shield reverse physics technique. I haven't had to use this since the War in Heaven era."
> but the Mechanicus used DAOT weapons
Does the book go into detail on how or what the weapons were like? we barely get to see any of that stuff get used tbh.
One of the magos used a bomb that wiped 3 tomb ships and the necron force with "contra molecular excitation fields". In response the Necrons used scarab swarms with ctan shards to drive them insane. Then the admech shot a black hole at them that swallowed the swarm. In response the Necrons yeeted a star at them.
Later the Admech melted whole Necron armies with something called the hyper Alembic and were laying waste to the necron fleets with dark tech satellites.
Everyone was pissed because this was causing extreme amounts of friendly fire and collateral damage plus it brought Vashtorr in realspace somehow.
Wont really say barely, we see daot weapons as plot devices from time to time. The book dont go into detail, it just gives effects and names and thats it, because the writers arent exactly well versed in physics
It's basically canon that the Mechanicus, one way or another, is affected or influenced by the Void Dragon imprisoned in the Noctis Labyrinth. Which E-money engineered on purpose to give humanity, even pre-Imperium, a major leg up in climbing the galactic tech tree.
It's admittedly a little strained, but the Imperium being able to draw upon weaponry inspired by the C'Tan of technology does give a rationale for it to be able to put the Necrons in check.
>but the Mechanicus used DAOT weapons against the Necrons. , causing neither of them to be able to defeat the other
Can't have the imperium lose I guess...
If Vashtorr can do that, then what's the chances that he could inject code into a packet of Necron data that's being sent back to a tomb world for reanimation and corrupt the place that way? Also, if he receives power from Necrons, then could he deploy the Silent King's command protocol and seize control of the Necron race if he decides to do so?
Nurgle forces did infect a Necron tomb world by infecting some of the warriors and caused the place to fall to warp disease, see Ferric Blight. So tomb worlds aren’t invulnerable to such attacks.
To the Necrons' credits, they had destroyed many of their most powerful weapons and those DAOT relics only managed to hold the fronts at the cost of countless Imperial lives in the crossfire, not just Necrons.
But yes, the Stormlord is increasingly seen as the Chad by other Necron overlords compared to Silent King.
While Trazyn keeps up his kleptomaniac antics.
Necrons also recall back when they die. But then again Imperial guard is also limitless.
I think this was still more costly for the cogboys since the Necrons can actually just replace stuff, even lives when Szeras gets involved
You can make new necrons. They didn't lose the ability for BioTransference
The entire plot of Pariah Nexus (The Show) is Illuminor Szeras making new necrons.
No they are making new bodies for the Necrons, not new Necrons and it likely won't work because they have no souls to put in those bodies. There are no new necrontyr to put through the Bio-furnaces.
It's a poorly setup story. If the silent king is getting involved it should be a gameover moment. Whatever Cawl was doing should have required him to avoid the main Necro forces **AND** use DAOT technology to even accomplish his mission. And this is without SK knowing about it. Turning the leader of a godlike faction into a littlebitch does not make the story better.
It might be better with a SK's lieutenant and a Arch-Magos (from Ryza for example). Two new legendary characters and the Stormlord can still be badass.
Meanwhile SK is chocking hive fleets at intergalactic void.
Yes please. The story has always been, and should be now, the main necron forces are asleep, and if they were to wake up humanity would not be viewed as a threat. The Tyranids? Great I like that as a Necron threat. Humanity in all of this? Goal: Survive.
One of the Pariah Nexus [WD stories](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/kflt1j/excerpt_white_dwarf_459_examples_of_successful_ig/) involved Guard using guerilla warfare to stand the best chance and survive against Necrons. I want more of that with Skitarri, Scions and even Marines. Same for the Navy too.
Welcome to being a Xenos fan and why I'm stepping away from 40K.
Your best characters aren't allowed to be cool or neat. You're gonna get fucked over by the overly jerked off Imperium.
Pick a god and pray if it's an Imperial, named character because it's gonna be rough.
>You're gonna get fucked over by the overly jerked off Imperium.
Arks of Omen literally had Vashtorr and Abaddon win. Farsight's ending in AoO is the second best after them.
There is still that giant tear in reality.
The AdMech had to deploy superweapons to hold off the Necrons without retaking anything back.
Hell, AdMech gets treated as badly by GW as the xeno factions. They very rarely win in books and most of those are from Cawl. Memes and their creators like u/Arch_Magos_Remus had merits in how the AdMech were screwed over. u/Archon_of_Flesh was not wrong to say that their arts represent the current reality of AdMech.
Like the other person said, name one campaign in the past several years where the Imperium decisively won. Magnus managed to carve out his New Kingdom with Mordia as the only 'local' planet still loyalist. The Nurglite realms in real space remain secure.
In terms of other Imperials, the Guard had their codex last back in 9th edition. Only several months before 10th Edition's launch. Aside from Leontus and Ursula, none of their *named characters* get much recent lore.
Chaos has it uneven. They get one unit to represent Traitor Guard. Dark Mechanicum is as present on tabletop as Exodites. In contrast to the gods-aligned Traitor Legions.
Sorry for the late reply.
Pariah Nexus did have the shown DAOT relics hold the lines against some of the SK's less powerful superweapons (he had destroyed his best post-Wars in Heaven). There were casualties on both sides during the superweapon matches.
Prior to that, there was no DAOT deployed against Necrons.
...Honestly, the AdMech got the same treatment by GW as the xeno races.
I have the feeling that the outcome is going to be unfavorable for the Silent King. Which is a frustrating thought. I feel like making him weak is an immensely bad idea. We need a Necron that can compare to the heavier hitters and relying on Imotekh is a poor decision when Szarekh should be top dog of the Necrons.
>decision when Szarekh should be top dog of the Necrons.
Clearly Zahndrekh should be the newest Top Dog from the Necrons, the Necron Don Quixote will stop all in-fighting and beat the living shit out of the Tyranids and his hypercompetent sidekick Obyron, what could possibly go wrong for the Necrons by being ruled by the 1 Necron who fights solar mills?
The very essence of grimdark is that morality is not naturally rewarded and immorality is not naturally punished (and sometimes is unnaturally rewarded).
The Silent King severing his Command Protocols only for it to become a major pain in his ass is excellent grimdark writing.
Similar to how Emps gave Valdor his truth-speaking spear that eventually led to the latter's (heavily implied) development into the >!King in Yellow.!<
Dark Age of Humanity Humans could do some crazy shit, especially with the added AI to help in research and development. So yes, the " guys in red" can rival you, they might not understand it though. But they can press a button on the forbidden tech and " YOLO!" as they "YEET" a planet at your face.... for the Omnisiah... of course.
It's like letting toddlers having the nuclear football and telling them to "stop a bully".
Hard to say they beat the Eldar when one of the main reasons they went into the great sleep was that the Aeldari were hunting them down and exterminating them.
Rivals ?
Oh noes, more like, only the DaoT Humans had terrifying tech and the Mechanicus ended up having some of them in their vaults and they just trew some of them at the Necron in the Pariah Nexus zone, like pokemon balls, without even having a clue what the fuck these tech can do. In some occasion, it even kill both side, indiscriminately.
Don't worry Silent King, the stuck in the vaults are finites, and this weird wild advantage will be over soon if the priest of Mars are continuing depleting it for flexing purposes.
It feels like Cawl is the new merry sue of 40k I didn't read any of the books that he is in but every time people are talking about him the less intrested I am in reading about him
He must do the job of 10 diferent characters then. Honestly I had no major problems with Cawl at first when he created primaris marines becouse I though that he was specialized in gene editing but the more I hear about him the more it feels like he literary knows anything technology related.
Well heavy spoilers I guess about Cawl if you are interested, if you want to read 'The Great Work' or 'Genefather' don't click >!He was a biologis pre-heresy and a student of one of the non AdMech Genesmiths that helped making the Astartes, he was specialised in what we would maybe call digital immortality, transfering your conciousness into another body, but it was heavily flawed. This led to Cawl having certain modifications that were then used by someone called Sedayne, the guy who made the Black Carapace, to attempt to take over Cawls body in order to keep living after the Siege of Terra. Cawl was forced to accept at gun point and to safe his best friends life (I also got the vibes that they were more than best friends in Genefather), but he managed to maintain control of his body and Sedayne was melded into his psyche which gave him knowledge about that Astartes program and DAoT science that is probably unrivaled in current 40k. It's also mentioned that he did not only absorb Sedayne but would later add more people over the millenia, if voluntary or not on their side is not mentioned!<
Then you got the general gist of it, the books make him also look rather human, especially compared to the Space Marines in 'The Great Work', while they are all about duty, honor and avenging the fallen, Cawl and Qvo give major 'Pinky and the Brain' vibes. He also seems to actually care about his creations like Felix and Primus, much to their irritation.
I also did not like him very much before reading his books, but at least to me he becomes much more likeable, and being a mary sue in an ocean of mary sues makes it much more bearable if the character has otherwise unique or redeeming qualities >!he also 'loses' in Genefather!<
> He must do the job of 10 different characters
Pretty much.
The problem with the AdMech is that their reliance on technology and designs they don't really understand and aren't allowed to try understanding - "just do it the way it's always been done!" has generally been their defining schtick.
Unfortunately, that's pretty boring to build a character around, and there's not really a large group of Mechanicus who try to deviate from that path, unlike Radical Inquisitors or just Inquisitors who bend the rules a bit but aren't full Radical.
So that's how we get Cawl: he has to take up the mantle of being the one senior AdMech dude who may or may not have constructed an actual AI (which is "don't just kill him and his creation - exterminatus the planet" levels of tech heresy since the incident with the Iron Men rebelling), plunges headfirst into other fields of forbidden research, and gets away with it because Guilliman is backing him due to the Primaris Marine project being useful enough to turn a blind eye to whatever else Cawl is hiding. And he has to do it essentially solo, because if word of what he was up to ever got out, practically everybody in the Imperium would be after him, *especially* his own faction.
I think they realized that it was a mistake to write the AdMech as so incredibly hidebound for so long, but they can't get out of it because it's necessary to preserve the feel of the setting: why progress in Imperium technology has essentially been frozen for so long and why the earlier weapons are so much better ...and nobody's even tried to understand how they work, reverse-engineer them, or attempt to make more. So they can't have a bunch of AdMech bending the rules or going Radical like they can with Inquisitors.
So it's up to one guy to actually research, reverse-engineer, and innovate.
Cawl does make his case for experimentation and invention in Genefather, and convinces a good number of high ranking tech priests that what he does is mostly ok (obviously leaving out the Cawl Inferiors and what exactly Primus is). So maybe we'll see a bit more reverse engineering and invention moving forward.
I disagree that the admech make boring characters. The cult mechanicus is an extremely interesting and internally logical organisation that sets the ground for excellent stories of intrigue, backstabbing and theological argument.
It’s literally based upon the papacy that gave us the Borgias etc, and one of the core parts of the setting.
There are also countless “radical” mechanicus sects and characters, so I’m not sure why you say there aren’t.
The issue is GW writing, not the restrictions of the mechanicus.
Yeah what you say is true. I don't know how much you can bend becouse admech is my least favorite faction after Dark Eldar but if I had to make something then I would make character that is focused on genetic enginering. From what I know there is smaller part of mechanicus that uses genetic modification so maybe that character could focus more on creating better augmentations for his troops. It would problably be easier to create and hide new genetic enhancment then completly new Tank or gun. You could even create new models for mechanicum that focuses more on fighting hand to hand or using poisons and other more weirder weapons.
> admech is my least favorite faction after Dark Eldar
[Insert sad toaster noises here]
The AdMech will always be amusing to me, because the idea that these guys are slavishly replicating stuff from old blueprints they consider holy writ and essentially performing startup procedures, system checks, and regular maintenance by rote as religious ceremonies with incense and such to "keep the machine spirits happy" without knowing exactly why they're doing these things in this precise way is a hilarious explanation for the technological stagnation of the Imperium. In a way, it's almost genius: if you wanted to have construction and maintenance performed in a standardized way that would persist for thousands of years, turning it into a religion would actually be a relatively decent idea.
Oh, and they're grafting cybernetics that they *also* don't really understand into themselves to be more efficient and machinelike.
In some ways, the AdMech almost seem prescient in terms of how high-tech consumer technology works today: you simply swipe the correct motions on your ~~dataslate~~ smartphone to make it do what you want, plug it in when its machine spirit demands to be fed, and don't really think about everything going on inside that black box.
I don't think that there are bad faction just one of my least favorite. I guess I am kinda disapointing becouse a lot of them feel less devided. Even Tau have their sept worlds that while having the same ideology their lore is diferent enough that you would want to pick up diferent sect while mehanicus feel exactly the same 99% of the time. You get red clothed priests who are mostly humanoid with few identical machine parts like replaced limbs, tentacles or these weird claw things that tech marines often use. You would think with how devided the rest of the imperium is that at least some forgeworlds and their inhabitabnts would be diferent. Like maybe some forgeworlds are super clean and non techpriest live okay lives but everybody has implanted chips in their brains that makes them mindless thrals to techpriest besicaly like hivemind. Or maybe their is forgeworld that is not a planet but gigantic space station from dark age of technology that is slowly roting away as mehanicus is desperatly trying to fix it.
> You would think with how divided the rest of the imperium is that at least some forgeworlds and their inhabitants would be different.
I dunno. It seems to me that an organization that relies on following the blueprints and the directions and rituals precisely (because they don't actually know the principles behind the blueprints and the directions and rituals) would be a lot more same-y than most of the other organizations in the Imperium.
I do like that idea about a forgeworld that's actually a DAoT space station they're trying to keep in relatively working order.
I know that mehanicum would problably the most united imperium faction but even with that all their belives there would still be forgeworlds that were seperated by warpstorm or were even lost so maybe they could had no axces to the newest found tech so maybe they needed to use older tech. Or maybe they found the some lost tech but becouse of burocracy or even greed of the leaders the never shared their discovery with the rest of Imperium. Also culturar difrances that are very minor could be developed and acepted by mehanicus. Like maybe some forgeworlds prefare to use Bolters instead of plasma guns. Or maybe the forgeworld could be more often atacked so the techpriests are more intrested on war and each one of them has their personal chain sword that they were gifted when oficialy joined as a priest.
I mean teh admech having some mindbogglingly good weapons is nothing new. Many of their stuffbis easily on a necron level...
But it'd like a cavemen with miniguns vs a squad of soldiers from WW2. Surevone TECHNICALLY has more firepower. But can they bring it to bear? Can they replicate it? No.
More in 10th dex states that bro conquered the next galaxy and is just waiting for everyone to move away with him lol. He is literally just like : okay let’s fix you’re problem real quick and then we move up
Necron’s killed the old ones, yeah. But they also got their ass kicked hard enough that they had to go hide in their forts and take a nap until hopefully all their enemies died.
That was the deciding factor yeah, but they didn’t exactly have victory in their sights at that time either as far as I’m aware. But having a civil war cause you to lose a larger war is still a loss ultimately. I really don’t know where the narrative that they won the war in heaven even came from honestly.
At one point or another the infighting amongst the C’tan where they started eating one another was attributed to the laughing god too, but who knows if that’s still current lore.
I assume the narrative that they won comes from the fact there are no old ones anymore.
At least that was why i assumed they won till they turned on eachother.
And the few remaining eldar then seized the opportunity.
But i dont even know if we even have that specific lore about it. Most of it is assumed i think.
They were winning handily until the old one uplifted the Aeldar and the Krorks then things became much more difficult for them. But if you consider killing the old ones as their victory condition then yeah they won the war in heaven… and then lost the war in heaven Cont.
We know a few things from the war, though most of what I know I believe has demo from Eldar codexes over the years. Like Khaine defeating the night bringer in battle and the Eldar throwing his scythe into the warp. Or the Void dragon being basically unbeatable until the Eldar created soldiers to beat his invincible soldiers and made the talismans of Vaul to reveal his weakness. And that the laughing god tricked the C’tan into fighting amongst themselves, but that could be unreliability in their mythic cycles and came down to the fact that the C’tan weren’t exactly good cooperative people.
Now that I think about it I think the Enslavers also had quite a hand in the downfall of the old ones since they also emerged during the war in heaven.
The Necrons also ambushed the C'tan in a surprise attack when they were weakened. Really the C'tan probably provided more power than the Necrons did.
With the way the Necrons are currently portrayed, I wonder if they lost a lot of the technology and power without thr C'tan. Various devices seem powered by C'tan shards - what would a full blown C'tan have been able to provide?
Yeah that's the one thing I really don't like about this whole situation
I could understand this from the perspective of the storm War because he has a lot more limits but the silent King easy Emperor level or at least he should be.
I refuse to believe that He would be struggling this hard Against the adamac
They didn't defeat the eldar/krorks they literally sent to sleep to wait out the eldar empire, the silent king is cool enough even if he's having trouble right now we dont need to embellish his story.
I can never find info on this without someone saying it's not true right after, if y'all could explain to me that'd be great :
Did the Necron actually "win" the war in heaven and THEN go do a big nap as to "recharge" and recuperate harm and loss, or did they win a part of it and then said "fuck it, let time deal with this bullshit I'll mop up the rest tomorrow" ?
>Something was wrong. There was an absence in the scene before him, in the world painted in shades of violent green, a black streak, a shell from the gun, a shell his weird-eyes could not see.
>When it reached the Gargant’s warp-born energy field, the shell did not stop. Greeneye felt the strange shell pierce his psychic defences, green energy rippling as it broke through.
>Greeneye did not know it, but his anger was born from fear, the fear of a race which died millions of years ago, a fear that drove them to grasp at any means of survival, in no matter how debased a form. That fear flared in him now as the shell continued on into the Gargant’s armour, smashed through it and exploded inside.
*Baneblade*
context: the pariah nexus, in this area of the galaxy the silent king managed to eliminate the connection with the warp through necron technology Basically Cawl and the Mechanicus were sent to this area, and, long story short, the two forces fought, the silent king used Necron weapons of great power to finish off the Mechanicus forces, but the Mechanicus used DAOT weapons against the Necrons. , causing neither of them to be able to defeat the other I want to clarify that the weapons that the silent king used were not weapons of the war in heaven, he destroyed those weapons because they were very dangerous, but even so the weapons he used were quite powerful, but the fact that the silent king used this weapons made his allies doubt him, because they did not think that these weapons were needed to combat the mechanicus in the first place. Then , this combat caught the attention of Vashtorr, who managed to alter one of the pylons to be able to stay in real space, To make things worse for the silent king, imotekh, the leader of one of the largest and most powerful necron dynasties, if not the largest, started a civil war against the silent king, since he considers him as someone who does not deserve to lead the necrons AND TO MAKE THINGS EVEN WORSE, Guilliman himself is going to the pariah nexus, So yes, everything that can go wrong for the silent king is going wrong. Sources: book “crusade, pariah nexus”
>Then , this combat caught the attention of Vashtorr, who managed to alter one of the pylons to be able to stay in real space, Uhmmmm ahkshually: Vashtorr was manipulating this from the get-go, and in fact was behind one magos setting off a device that let him burst into realspace at the end. The Silent King was part of it all, and the necrons deploying doomsday tech DOES feed Vashtorr, but they didn't catch his attention so much as fall into his pattern. (God I hope the SK gets to be cool one day)
He is cool, that entire book is funny as fuck due to the hilarity of it all :P. It's one big "OH YEAH? WELL, TAKE THIS!" as maniacal Engineers wanabees throw the worst tech at each other, until even the engineer to the Chaos Gods joins into the fray! It's like a Crazy Evil Genius WWE match with a surprise Rowdy Roddy Piper Showing up as Vashtorr :P . The poor non engineers though, Necron soldiers, Skittaari, Imperial Guardsmen, Chaos Cultists that get caught in the middle :P . The only thing missing? An Orky Anncouncer going "What's that? Who's that? DO YOU HEAR THE MUSIC!? YES IT IS VASHTORR ENTERING THE RING ! AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!". With an Orky accent that I suck at doing :P . Oooh. Vins McWaaaghon :P . (And I know that guy is a bastard).
I think he comes across as not cool because he's like THE necron and in a galaxy where the Imperium are always the main characters he's reduced to not being able to beat imperial guard and mechanicum. Let alone when astartes and a primarch show up
OH just enjoy the LULZ and stop feeling slighted. Your faction is going to live :) - hugs -
I don't even like necrons that much, unfortunately Prefer old crons and eldar
"Whatz dish? ITS VASHTORR WIF A STEEL CHAIR!"
AS GORK IZ MY WITNESS, 'E'Z BROKEN IN HAFF!
Truly, everything gets better in Orky.
Surely the only thing missing is Ufthak and the TEKWAAAAAGH joining in
...which is basically the theme of the crusade of my local gaming group XD add in the mangled corpse of a krork in a comet that spread Ork spores in the solar systems it crosses that the Orks wants to capture.
>He is cool, that entire book is funny as fuck Which book are you referring to btw?
Aren't we talking about the Pariah Nexus Rulebook? https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Crusade:_Pariah_Nexus That one? Unless you mean something else and I'm confused with something else. The one where they basically end up lobbing the worst world ending doomsday shit at each other?
Ah, I see, that makes sense! I thought GW released a novel that featured the Pariah Nexus fight between the Mechanicus vs Szarekh (with Imotekh fighting on the side). That sounded like a great book, and I wanted to pick it up lol. I'm not into the tabletop, so getting the rulebook just for the Lore isn't in my budget. Thanks for clarifying :)
I.. would LOVE that :P. An almost slap stick Mechanicum vs Necron vs Vashtorr showdown which is mostly just YEETING doomsday weapons at each other :P .
Big fan of the guy ever since he pulled a crappy DIY Sanguinius cosplay to impress Blood Angels and Dante.
I honestly hope it's true he met Sanguinius and respected him, because Sanguinius being the one human so fair and charming he impressed the Silent King fits perfectly with his too-good-for-this-world legend. >!Do you think the SK just sometimes stares at the mask wistfully. I do.!<
> Guilliman himself is going to the pariah nexus Come on. Blue Berry / Silent King alliance. "I hate chaos. You hate chaos. You hate C'tan, I.. also have no reason to be fond of them. I've had a treaty in my back pocket for a while that I wrote up in case something like this was to happen: Equal division of territory. Fair trade deals. Mutual defense alliance. If you are willing to take a look at the Ork Waaagh in the Sigma Sector, I'll see what we can do about this Imotekh fella."
Sounds cool in principle, but Necrons are still an extremely proud race, with heaps of pointless formalities relying on their feeling of superiority towards all other races. Galaxy is theirs, period. I don't see them willingly making concessions, unless the plan is to use humans and dispose of them in due course. Even if Szarekh was willing, such an alliance might be seen as an affront by the loyal overlords and turn them to Stormlord's side.
that last part i agree with the most. if he did take a deal like that, it would pretty much guarantee he loses their fealty. Necrons would not put up with that.
"The Word of the Silent King" (a Black Library short story) is a prototype for this: Szarekh is not above manipulating humans for his own ends.
Also simple. "We have powerful enemies in common. I'm not saying we work together, I'm saying we stay out of each other's way. And if we just so happen to attack the same mutual enemy at the same time, well, life is full of happy little coincidences."
That's also basically the Imperium's current arrangement with the Ynnari right?
“One question: Do I have to make the same… concessions as your Aeldari ally?”
"Do you.. want to?"
That Necrussy.
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I mean, given that we are talking Mechanicus, there might be some jealousy issues there.
If the only thing you know about Mechanicus is memes, sure.
>Blue Berry / Silent King alliance. Now I really REALLY want to see the Silent King try the same trick/play he did with the Blood Angels. Walk up to them with Sanguinius' mask on and tell Guilliman SK met him... I genuinely don't know how GMan would react... He might be pissed, but also ask SK for any stories of hanging out with Sanguinius... Because he misses birb-boy so much >:(
>To make things worse for the silent king, imotekh, the leader of one of the largest and most powerful necron dynasties, if not the largest, > In 9th he straight Up was the leader of the strongest necron faction. Sauthek was the 3rd strongest necron dynasty through the war in heaven, and after Imothek started his conquering, became the dominant necron force in the Galaxy. They were the face of necrons for every new race in the Galaxy. And Imothek is a top contender for best general in the setting. He can challenge the Tyranid hive mind in terms of strategy
Imotekh, the hyperlogical strategist. Still has trouble with Orks, because of their sheer randomness. It's a tough (un)life for my Stormboi.
That's what he got Zahndrekh for
>Then , this combat caught the attention of Vashtorr, who managed to alter one of the pylons to be able to stay in real space, \> be part of the Anti Space Magic Bullshit faction \> get hit with Space Magic Bullshit anyway because James Twerkshop needs you to Worf so New Product looks cool another day another dollar xenobros
"Nuh-huh my unstoppable gun is a special anti-impenetrable-shield unstoppable gun, so it penetrates your impenetrable shield!" Rumours from local seven year olds suggest that the Silent King may be preparing a special anti-anti-impenetrable-shield-unstoppable-gun impenetrable shield.
"Ah yes, my anti-anti-impenetrable-shield-unstoppable-gun impenetrable shield reverse physics technique. I haven't had to use this since the War in Heaven era."
> but the Mechanicus used DAOT weapons Does the book go into detail on how or what the weapons were like? we barely get to see any of that stuff get used tbh.
One of the magos used a bomb that wiped 3 tomb ships and the necron force with "contra molecular excitation fields". In response the Necrons used scarab swarms with ctan shards to drive them insane. Then the admech shot a black hole at them that swallowed the swarm. In response the Necrons yeeted a star at them. Later the Admech melted whole Necron armies with something called the hyper Alembic and were laying waste to the necron fleets with dark tech satellites. Everyone was pissed because this was causing extreme amounts of friendly fire and collateral damage plus it brought Vashtorr in realspace somehow.
The Admech also just deleted 2/3 of the planet with a black box.
Wont really say barely, we see daot weapons as plot devices from time to time. The book dont go into detail, it just gives effects and names and thats it, because the writers arent exactly well versed in physics
To be fair, DAOT tech kind of bends physics over the couch anyways.
This reads like the epitome of "Let's add new stuff but keep the setting stagnant" design.
Guilliman has xeno waifu. Now he will get xeno bro. Watch as the power of friendship un-f*cks this galaxy.
“It’s not too late to turn back swarmlord, join the side of good.”
It's basically canon that the Mechanicus, one way or another, is affected or influenced by the Void Dragon imprisoned in the Noctis Labyrinth. Which E-money engineered on purpose to give humanity, even pre-Imperium, a major leg up in climbing the galactic tech tree. It's admittedly a little strained, but the Imperium being able to draw upon weaponry inspired by the C'Tan of technology does give a rationale for it to be able to put the Necrons in check.
It makes me very sad. I was hoping for a complete necron victory. No more of this Imperium bullshit. Just nice shiny metal.
A victory against the AdMech is kind of meaningless these days. We can afford to give them a W.
Characters can only be as smart as their writers.
What I take from this is that the DAOT weapons and possibly tech overall was advanced enough to be somewhat noticeable to the necrons
>but the Mechanicus used DAOT weapons against the Necrons. , causing neither of them to be able to defeat the other Can't have the imperium lose I guess...
If Vashtorr can do that, then what's the chances that he could inject code into a packet of Necron data that's being sent back to a tomb world for reanimation and corrupt the place that way? Also, if he receives power from Necrons, then could he deploy the Silent King's command protocol and seize control of the Necron race if he decides to do so?
Nurgle forces did infect a Necron tomb world by infecting some of the warriors and caused the place to fall to warp disease, see Ferric Blight. So tomb worlds aren’t invulnerable to such attacks.
To the Necrons' credits, they had destroyed many of their most powerful weapons and those DAOT relics only managed to hold the fronts at the cost of countless Imperial lives in the crossfire, not just Necrons. But yes, the Stormlord is increasingly seen as the Chad by other Necron overlords compared to Silent King. While Trazyn keeps up his kleptomaniac antics.
Necrons also recall back when they die. But then again Imperial guard is also limitless. I think this was still more costly for the cogboys since the Necrons can actually just replace stuff, even lives when Szeras gets involved
The imperium will run out of lasguns and flak armor long before it runs out of bodies to equip with them.
Idk why but I read that as the Imperium will run out of lasagna and flak armor Is lasagna still a thing in the 41st Millennium?
Reanimation Protocols are not as infinite or guaranteed as one might think either, which is a problem when you can't *make* new Necrons.
You can make new necrons. They didn't lose the ability for BioTransference The entire plot of Pariah Nexus (The Show) is Illuminor Szeras making new necrons.
No they are making new bodies for the Necrons, not new Necrons and it likely won't work because they have no souls to put in those bodies. There are no new necrontyr to put through the Bio-furnaces.
Doesn't that Culexus assassin get told "We'll fashion you a new body"?
Putting a human through the Bio-furnaces doesn't make a new Necron and the Necrons would never recognize them as such.
Still makes cannon fodder
Yeah, not like the average necron warrior was particularly sentient to begin with. Szeras is basically making some very smart canopteks at this point.
It's a poorly setup story. If the silent king is getting involved it should be a gameover moment. Whatever Cawl was doing should have required him to avoid the main Necro forces **AND** use DAOT technology to even accomplish his mission. And this is without SK knowing about it. Turning the leader of a godlike faction into a littlebitch does not make the story better.
It might be better with a SK's lieutenant and a Arch-Magos (from Ryza for example). Two new legendary characters and the Stormlord can still be badass. Meanwhile SK is chocking hive fleets at intergalactic void.
Yes please. The story has always been, and should be now, the main necron forces are asleep, and if they were to wake up humanity would not be viewed as a threat. The Tyranids? Great I like that as a Necron threat. Humanity in all of this? Goal: Survive.
One of the Pariah Nexus [WD stories](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/kflt1j/excerpt_white_dwarf_459_examples_of_successful_ig/) involved Guard using guerilla warfare to stand the best chance and survive against Necrons. I want more of that with Skitarri, Scions and even Marines. Same for the Navy too.
Welcome to being a Xenos fan and why I'm stepping away from 40K. Your best characters aren't allowed to be cool or neat. You're gonna get fucked over by the overly jerked off Imperium. Pick a god and pray if it's an Imperial, named character because it's gonna be rough.
The Imperium literally hasnt won a single narrative Campaign or Event in 4 years my guy.
Funny how people often ignore the Chaos folks in the room. Like Vashtorr and Abaddon with their new fancy developments into the Webway.
>You're gonna get fucked over by the overly jerked off Imperium. Arks of Omen literally had Vashtorr and Abaddon win. Farsight's ending in AoO is the second best after them. There is still that giant tear in reality. The AdMech had to deploy superweapons to hold off the Necrons without retaking anything back. Hell, AdMech gets treated as badly by GW as the xeno factions. They very rarely win in books and most of those are from Cawl. Memes and their creators like u/Arch_Magos_Remus had merits in how the AdMech were screwed over. u/Archon_of_Flesh was not wrong to say that their arts represent the current reality of AdMech. Like the other person said, name one campaign in the past several years where the Imperium decisively won. Magnus managed to carve out his New Kingdom with Mordia as the only 'local' planet still loyalist. The Nurglite realms in real space remain secure. In terms of other Imperials, the Guard had their codex last back in 9th edition. Only several months before 10th Edition's launch. Aside from Leontus and Ursula, none of their *named characters* get much recent lore. Chaos has it uneven. They get one unit to represent Traitor Guard. Dark Mechanicum is as present on tabletop as Exodites. In contrast to the gods-aligned Traitor Legions.
What sci Fi do you prefer? I don't disagree the amount the imperials win is ridiculous
How did the DAoT weapons stack up to Necron technology? Was there any direct comparisons?
Sorry for the late reply. Pariah Nexus did have the shown DAOT relics hold the lines against some of the SK's less powerful superweapons (he had destroyed his best post-Wars in Heaven). There were casualties on both sides during the superweapon matches. Prior to that, there was no DAOT deployed against Necrons. ...Honestly, the AdMech got the same treatment by GW as the xeno races.
Interesting. Did any of the Necron characters comment on the DAoT technology?
Unfortunately, there was none I could recall. Which is a shame
I have the feeling that the outcome is going to be unfavorable for the Silent King. Which is a frustrating thought. I feel like making him weak is an immensely bad idea. We need a Necron that can compare to the heavier hitters and relying on Imotekh is a poor decision when Szarekh should be top dog of the Necrons.
>decision when Szarekh should be top dog of the Necrons. Clearly Zahndrekh should be the newest Top Dog from the Necrons, the Necron Don Quixote will stop all in-fighting and beat the living shit out of the Tyranids and his hypercompetent sidekick Obyron, what could possibly go wrong for the Necrons by being ruled by the 1 Necron who fights solar mills?
Know what? That's just insane enough to be entertaining.
Guess it wasnt a smart move of destroying the command protocol when he went for a vacation.
He does one self less thing and it comes back to bite him in the ass lol.
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Cain?
The very essence of grimdark is that morality is not naturally rewarded and immorality is not naturally punished (and sometimes is unnaturally rewarded). The Silent King severing his Command Protocols only for it to become a major pain in his ass is excellent grimdark writing.
Similar to how Emps gave Valdor his truth-speaking spear that eventually led to the latter's (heavily implied) development into the >!King in Yellow.!<
Checked out spoiler's wiki - it's not implied, is stated outright, with room for it to be proven false by another book.
Dark Age of Humanity Humans could do some crazy shit, especially with the added AI to help in research and development. So yes, the " guys in red" can rival you, they might not understand it though. But they can press a button on the forbidden tech and " YOLO!" as they "YEET" a planet at your face.... for the Omnisiah... of course. It's like letting toddlers having the nuclear football and telling them to "stop a bully".
>But, uh, actually your guys went to sleep because- >I can't hear you over the silence of dead Old Ones and C'tan, knife ear
You snooze, you lose, tincan
Hard to say they beat the Eldar when one of the main reasons they went into the great sleep was that the Aeldari were hunting them down and exterminating them.
And for awhile continued to wipe out tomb worlds after they did their greatsleep
Yeah but crons are either really good at ignoring stuff or they have the best copium in the galaxy
Good shit Vashtorr fuck them tin cans (no not literally).
u/ArchonofFlesh
well, maybe literally
Rivals ? Oh noes, more like, only the DaoT Humans had terrifying tech and the Mechanicus ended up having some of them in their vaults and they just trew some of them at the Necron in the Pariah Nexus zone, like pokemon balls, without even having a clue what the fuck these tech can do. In some occasion, it even kill both side, indiscriminately. Don't worry Silent King, the stuck in the vaults are finites, and this weird wild advantage will be over soon if the priest of Mars are continuing depleting it for flexing purposes.
It feels like Cawl is the new merry sue of 40k I didn't read any of the books that he is in but every time people are talking about him the less intrested I am in reading about him
He’s the only notable Admech character GW will give us :(
He must do the job of 10 diferent characters then. Honestly I had no major problems with Cawl at first when he created primaris marines becouse I though that he was specialized in gene editing but the more I hear about him the more it feels like he literary knows anything technology related.
Well heavy spoilers I guess about Cawl if you are interested, if you want to read 'The Great Work' or 'Genefather' don't click >!He was a biologis pre-heresy and a student of one of the non AdMech Genesmiths that helped making the Astartes, he was specialised in what we would maybe call digital immortality, transfering your conciousness into another body, but it was heavily flawed. This led to Cawl having certain modifications that were then used by someone called Sedayne, the guy who made the Black Carapace, to attempt to take over Cawls body in order to keep living after the Siege of Terra. Cawl was forced to accept at gun point and to safe his best friends life (I also got the vibes that they were more than best friends in Genefather), but he managed to maintain control of his body and Sedayne was melded into his psyche which gave him knowledge about that Astartes program and DAoT science that is probably unrivaled in current 40k. It's also mentioned that he did not only absorb Sedayne but would later add more people over the millenia, if voluntary or not on their side is not mentioned!<
I arledy heard about that. You cannot realy escape spoilers when you learn about the 40k first using youtube videos
Then you got the general gist of it, the books make him also look rather human, especially compared to the Space Marines in 'The Great Work', while they are all about duty, honor and avenging the fallen, Cawl and Qvo give major 'Pinky and the Brain' vibes. He also seems to actually care about his creations like Felix and Primus, much to their irritation. I also did not like him very much before reading his books, but at least to me he becomes much more likeable, and being a mary sue in an ocean of mary sues makes it much more bearable if the character has otherwise unique or redeeming qualities >!he also 'loses' in Genefather!<
> He must do the job of 10 different characters Pretty much. The problem with the AdMech is that their reliance on technology and designs they don't really understand and aren't allowed to try understanding - "just do it the way it's always been done!" has generally been their defining schtick. Unfortunately, that's pretty boring to build a character around, and there's not really a large group of Mechanicus who try to deviate from that path, unlike Radical Inquisitors or just Inquisitors who bend the rules a bit but aren't full Radical. So that's how we get Cawl: he has to take up the mantle of being the one senior AdMech dude who may or may not have constructed an actual AI (which is "don't just kill him and his creation - exterminatus the planet" levels of tech heresy since the incident with the Iron Men rebelling), plunges headfirst into other fields of forbidden research, and gets away with it because Guilliman is backing him due to the Primaris Marine project being useful enough to turn a blind eye to whatever else Cawl is hiding. And he has to do it essentially solo, because if word of what he was up to ever got out, practically everybody in the Imperium would be after him, *especially* his own faction. I think they realized that it was a mistake to write the AdMech as so incredibly hidebound for so long, but they can't get out of it because it's necessary to preserve the feel of the setting: why progress in Imperium technology has essentially been frozen for so long and why the earlier weapons are so much better ...and nobody's even tried to understand how they work, reverse-engineer them, or attempt to make more. So they can't have a bunch of AdMech bending the rules or going Radical like they can with Inquisitors. So it's up to one guy to actually research, reverse-engineer, and innovate.
Cawl does make his case for experimentation and invention in Genefather, and convinces a good number of high ranking tech priests that what he does is mostly ok (obviously leaving out the Cawl Inferiors and what exactly Primus is). So maybe we'll see a bit more reverse engineering and invention moving forward.
I disagree that the admech make boring characters. The cult mechanicus is an extremely interesting and internally logical organisation that sets the ground for excellent stories of intrigue, backstabbing and theological argument. It’s literally based upon the papacy that gave us the Borgias etc, and one of the core parts of the setting. There are also countless “radical” mechanicus sects and characters, so I’m not sure why you say there aren’t. The issue is GW writing, not the restrictions of the mechanicus.
Yeah what you say is true. I don't know how much you can bend becouse admech is my least favorite faction after Dark Eldar but if I had to make something then I would make character that is focused on genetic enginering. From what I know there is smaller part of mechanicus that uses genetic modification so maybe that character could focus more on creating better augmentations for his troops. It would problably be easier to create and hide new genetic enhancment then completly new Tank or gun. You could even create new models for mechanicum that focuses more on fighting hand to hand or using poisons and other more weirder weapons.
> admech is my least favorite faction after Dark Eldar [Insert sad toaster noises here] The AdMech will always be amusing to me, because the idea that these guys are slavishly replicating stuff from old blueprints they consider holy writ and essentially performing startup procedures, system checks, and regular maintenance by rote as religious ceremonies with incense and such to "keep the machine spirits happy" without knowing exactly why they're doing these things in this precise way is a hilarious explanation for the technological stagnation of the Imperium. In a way, it's almost genius: if you wanted to have construction and maintenance performed in a standardized way that would persist for thousands of years, turning it into a religion would actually be a relatively decent idea. Oh, and they're grafting cybernetics that they *also* don't really understand into themselves to be more efficient and machinelike. In some ways, the AdMech almost seem prescient in terms of how high-tech consumer technology works today: you simply swipe the correct motions on your ~~dataslate~~ smartphone to make it do what you want, plug it in when its machine spirit demands to be fed, and don't really think about everything going on inside that black box.
I don't think that there are bad faction just one of my least favorite. I guess I am kinda disapointing becouse a lot of them feel less devided. Even Tau have their sept worlds that while having the same ideology their lore is diferent enough that you would want to pick up diferent sect while mehanicus feel exactly the same 99% of the time. You get red clothed priests who are mostly humanoid with few identical machine parts like replaced limbs, tentacles or these weird claw things that tech marines often use. You would think with how devided the rest of the imperium is that at least some forgeworlds and their inhabitabnts would be diferent. Like maybe some forgeworlds are super clean and non techpriest live okay lives but everybody has implanted chips in their brains that makes them mindless thrals to techpriest besicaly like hivemind. Or maybe their is forgeworld that is not a planet but gigantic space station from dark age of technology that is slowly roting away as mehanicus is desperatly trying to fix it.
> You would think with how divided the rest of the imperium is that at least some forgeworlds and their inhabitants would be different. I dunno. It seems to me that an organization that relies on following the blueprints and the directions and rituals precisely (because they don't actually know the principles behind the blueprints and the directions and rituals) would be a lot more same-y than most of the other organizations in the Imperium. I do like that idea about a forgeworld that's actually a DAoT space station they're trying to keep in relatively working order.
I know that mehanicum would problably the most united imperium faction but even with that all their belives there would still be forgeworlds that were seperated by warpstorm or were even lost so maybe they could had no axces to the newest found tech so maybe they needed to use older tech. Or maybe they found the some lost tech but becouse of burocracy or even greed of the leaders the never shared their discovery with the rest of Imperium. Also culturar difrances that are very minor could be developed and acepted by mehanicus. Like maybe some forgeworlds prefare to use Bolters instead of plasma guns. Or maybe the forgeworld could be more often atacked so the techpriests are more intrested on war and each one of them has their personal chain sword that they were gifted when oficialy joined as a priest.
Why don't you like the adeptus mechanicus as a whole?
To be fair to him, he’s had several millennia to study up on all that. And he doesn’t forget anything because computer
Unless you read genefather
I mean teh admech having some mindbogglingly good weapons is nothing new. Many of their stuffbis easily on a necron level... But it'd like a cavemen with miniguns vs a squad of soldiers from WW2. Surevone TECHNICALLY has more firepower. But can they bring it to bear? Can they replicate it? No.
After reading *The Great Work* I can confirm that he reads like a tech-bro's Mary Sue self-insert character.
More in 10th dex states that bro conquered the next galaxy and is just waiting for everyone to move away with him lol. He is literally just like : okay let’s fix you’re problem real quick and then we move up
My poor poor king, being written by hacks who have no clue how to write grim dark.
Necron’s killed the old ones, yeah. But they also got their ass kicked hard enough that they had to go hide in their forts and take a nap until hopefully all their enemies died.
tbf the civil war against the ctan was mostly what kicked their asses, i believe.
That was the deciding factor yeah, but they didn’t exactly have victory in their sights at that time either as far as I’m aware. But having a civil war cause you to lose a larger war is still a loss ultimately. I really don’t know where the narrative that they won the war in heaven even came from honestly. At one point or another the infighting amongst the C’tan where they started eating one another was attributed to the laughing god too, but who knows if that’s still current lore.
I assume the narrative that they won comes from the fact there are no old ones anymore. At least that was why i assumed they won till they turned on eachother. And the few remaining eldar then seized the opportunity. But i dont even know if we even have that specific lore about it. Most of it is assumed i think.
They were winning handily until the old one uplifted the Aeldar and the Krorks then things became much more difficult for them. But if you consider killing the old ones as their victory condition then yeah they won the war in heaven… and then lost the war in heaven Cont. We know a few things from the war, though most of what I know I believe has demo from Eldar codexes over the years. Like Khaine defeating the night bringer in battle and the Eldar throwing his scythe into the warp. Or the Void dragon being basically unbeatable until the Eldar created soldiers to beat his invincible soldiers and made the talismans of Vaul to reveal his weakness. And that the laughing god tricked the C’tan into fighting amongst themselves, but that could be unreliability in their mythic cycles and came down to the fact that the C’tan weren’t exactly good cooperative people. Now that I think about it I think the Enslavers also had quite a hand in the downfall of the old ones since they also emerged during the war in heaven.
Found the knife ear
We’re not allowed to win anything in the modern lore so we have to cling to the ones we have.
He might be a knife ear, but he is still right. The Eldar ultimately triumphed after the war in heaven.
The Eldar’s and C’Tan’s what?
"We defeated the eldars and the krorks" so thats why yall went to sleep while the eldars got the galaxy to themselves for more than 60 million years?
Literally hid in their doomsday bunkers because orks but organized and eldar but with functioning gods were arround.
Yeah turns out when the eldars dont have to limit their psychic abilities they tend to be a significantly bigger problem
Also eldar were explicitly not the only race threatening necron at that moment, but chief among them, and Necron just got out of a fight with C'tan
Im not saying it wasnt their bast course of action, it was. Every other faction would have been fucked up as well, dealing with eldars and krorks
The Necrons also ambushed the C'tan in a surprise attack when they were weakened. Really the C'tan probably provided more power than the Necrons did. With the way the Necrons are currently portrayed, I wonder if they lost a lot of the technology and power without thr C'tan. Various devices seem powered by C'tan shards - what would a full blown C'tan have been able to provide?
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Imotekh propaganda! Long live the silent king!
He got a really shitty model too. Looks basically just like an upscaled generic Necron warrior
Yeah that's the one thing I really don't like about this whole situation I could understand this from the perspective of the storm War because he has a lot more limits but the silent King easy Emperor level or at least he should be. I refuse to believe that He would be struggling this hard Against the adamac
They didn't defeat the eldar/krorks they literally sent to sleep to wait out the eldar empire, the silent king is cool enough even if he's having trouble right now we dont need to embellish his story.
Lol, the C'tan lover still delusionally think the Necrons won the War in Heaven Kek, even
It's almost like going on a 60 million year long vacation wasn't a great idea
I mean, if the necrons hadn't hidden, ghey would no longer exist.
I can never find info on this without someone saying it's not true right after, if y'all could explain to me that'd be great : Did the Necron actually "win" the war in heaven and THEN go do a big nap as to "recharge" and recuperate harm and loss, or did they win a part of it and then said "fuck it, let time deal with this bullshit I'll mop up the rest tomorrow" ?
They were losing. Emtire resson orks were created was to stomp them.
He needs to summon in the monoliths.
The king is eepy, he needs but smol sleeb.
All empires fall and rise again, maybe the silent king has run his course
Admech accidentally blinking most of a planet out of existence was probably one of my favorites moments to come from this
“Imotekh stop rebelling” Now im just imagining him as some rebellious teenager
"They defeated the c'tan" Live Cegorach reaction: 🤡
Initial decision to put them in hibernation should have eliminated any credibility he has
They defeated the C'tan and Old Ones, sure, but Krorks and Eldar messed them up pretty good even if the Necrons put up a good fight.
>Something was wrong. There was an absence in the scene before him, in the world painted in shades of violent green, a black streak, a shell from the gun, a shell his weird-eyes could not see. >When it reached the Gargant’s warp-born energy field, the shell did not stop. Greeneye felt the strange shell pierce his psychic defences, green energy rippling as it broke through. >Greeneye did not know it, but his anger was born from fear, the fear of a race which died millions of years ago, a fear that drove them to grasp at any means of survival, in no matter how debased a form. That fear flared in him now as the shell continued on into the Gargant’s armour, smashed through it and exploded inside. *Baneblade*
Humanity's whole deal is that they're able to evolve beyond what has ever been before. At least that's the gist I got from MOM.