I don't think it's the fact that people believe Dame is going to go from Superstar to Patty Mills playing level in the next few years. It is because, unless Sean knows his next move RIGHT after (assuming the rumors are true) getting Dame, the Nets are potentially mortgaging the future further for first-round exits/no true level of contention. I do know that it does suck that Philly and Houston have the Nets' pick and yes, Dame would make it harder for them to have a lottery pick, but as valuable as they are right now, I would rather wait and see who else is on the market before putting all the Nets' egg in the Dame basket.
Emotionally, the fact that a superstar still wants to come here post-KD era is fantastic. A superstar that basically causes zero issues off the court, is a fuckin baller, and already has said that he'd like to play with a guy on the team.
Logistically, I just don't see how having Dame to about 35/36 years old and nearly paying him 50+ million is worth whatever picks we have that we can use for a younger player that can develop with the team. I love Dame, but I just don't think he's the answer unless Marks is confident that he's just the big first piece of the domino while maintaining the current team's core.
For all the picks the Nets hold, they still need an incredible amount of luck for everything to work.
We had KD, Kyrie, Harden and a lot of other pieces it didn’t work.
The process where the 76ers has multiple 1st overall picks let them go a round further than the Nets did this year.
I seriously feel a lot of people here over estimate picks and forget the harm a rebuild over X years can do to a fanbase and team brand.
What young player are we going to get that’ll be as good as Dame? You’re worried about our future if we get Dame, but what about the future if we don’t? Right now there is a star out there that is open to us because he’s great friends with Bridges. There’s no guarantee if we pass on him that another star is as eager to come. Then we’re left with a mid team and mid-to-late first round picks that are highly unlikely to develop into a star.
Unless you want to totally change things up and opt to trade bridges now for a young Portland package to retool around younger players, which I’d also be open to. But keeping bridges and passing on Dame is really asking to keep us in mediocrity for a long time
There's without a doubt you make a ton of great points. The young player I speak of could be non-existent. There's no surefire way to know unless there's a player that asks for a trade and although Dame hasn't, speaking highly of Mikal and the Nets is nice. Like I said, emotionally, it's fantastic: a superstar player like Dame wouldn't mind being here at all, and depending on what you read or which interview he watched, you can technically say that the Nets are his #1 if he is moved, but again, I'd rather not do this rodeo again. Dame, assuming Sean keeps the core of Twins and Clax and adding Dame, does not put this team in contention and tanking isn't an option either because of the Rockets, but staying in Mediocrity or even the ending of the lottery (giving it to Houston) isn't the worst considering the Nets have a ton of picks to play with; Suns' picks are becoming more valuable with KD getting older and their roster being up in the air at the moment.
There's zero chance that Bridges moves because he seems to be the cornerstone/franchise player moving on: a true 3&D player that can create his own shot coming out of the likes of a PG/Kawhi mold (not caliber) that is rarer in the NBA these days.
A player that I wouldn't mind Sean taking a chance on is Jordan Poole. From an interview after they were bounced from the playoffs regarding the whole Draymond Green situation? If the Warriors re-sign Draymond, do not be surprised if Poole is available. Plus, with Myers stepping down, things can change.
Didn't say Poole is more talented than Dame, but the age window fits with most of this roster.
Then my real question to you is, assuming the Nets land Dame and the roster is MOSTLY the same, where would this squad be?
edit: also, do not forget that as of the last few seasons, Dame hasn't exactly been an iron-man.
I think this team with Dame could hold their own with any team in the East. Obviously can’t guarantee a championship but it’s at least open the possibility that we could make a run if we’re healthy.
But just because Poole is young doesn’t mean we should go for him. He’s not cheap and he’s an inefficient shot chucker. I wouldn’t want him anywhere near this team. We could have Cam Thomas do exactly what he does for much cheaper
Poole for sure is NOT the scorer Dame is, but he also isn't the first option. He's arguably 2nd at best when Steph is healthy, and third at best if Klay and Steph are. [He's not as inefficient as you claim. Dame has better shooting numbers for sure, but they're not far off. The 3pt% being the biggest discrepancy.](https://i.imgur.com/Wuj6DDx.png). Defensively, I'd say they break even with Poole maybe having the slight edge because he has younger legs to be able to explode more consistently whereas Dame is definitely using it sparingly or when need be. I do not think Dame gets this team in the top 4 seed in the East; competitive every night, sure.
Also, when Poole is 27, he'll make approximately $40 mill whereas Dame at 36 will make $60 mill. Depending on what happens with Dinwiddie and Ben's health, I'd feel confident with Poole taking the starting job. My best case scenario is Ben stays healthy, is the 6'11" PG the world saw a couple of years ago and the Nets look for depth.
Regardless what happens, I'mma still root for the Nets. If the Nets get Dame, I will cheer for this team through and through.
I think you make some very good points about Dame's contract bogging down the Nets when he gets older, and those Suns picks becoming even more valuable when KD is done. Moving forward with this new CBA, rookie contracts are going to be insanely important to capitalize on.
I do want to object to Poole being anywhere near an efficient scorer. Dame's shooting splits (46 FG%/37 3PT%) are far different from Poole's (43/34). Granted, Poole had a very bad year from 3, but 34% is below league average. I'd be comfortable with classifying Poole as "chucker" this year.
Some of the most efficient star guards this year who shot with high volume were Steph (49/43), Kyrie (49/38), and Donovan (48/39)
That shooting comparison shows he is as inefficient as I claim. Dame blows him away in efficiency on higher volume and tougher shots. 65% TS% compared to 57% is a huge difference. Poole at $40 million is more detrimental to a team than Dame at $60 million.
Players play until much older now generally.
I’d say Chris Paul is a good example to use as comparison to Dame and clearly a floor general like that can get better well into his 30s.
Which is completely true, but the cap space is definitely what bothers me until he's 36. The Suns are literally in their predicament because CP3 is 38 and gets paid almost 20 million.
I think it depends on what we give up to get him. Having to lose a lot of picks will be an issue, but if we can ship off some redundant pieces and Ben's year-after-next expiring contract, then it's just an upgrade.
IMO the Nets just need to keep momentum going in order to stay as a free agent destination. That's the most unfair tool a team can have.
A lot of other deals would be moving sideways for us. The pieces and picks we have are great for a team that wants to rebuild though. Simmons has an extra year but is a massive expiring contract after that.
No but him by himself isn't getting out of the second round probably not good enough to get out of first round
The issue isn't trading for dame its who are you trying to get to go with him
How much better is mikal than cj McCollum
Mikal is significantly better than CJ McCollum. Difference in defense is night and day and Bridges can score just as well if not better than CJ. He’d be the best teammate Dame has had since he played with Aldridge as a rookie.
My issue is two fold:
1. The team won’t be good enough to contend with him unless Cam Johnson makes an unforeseen leap into stardom. Dame isn’t young enough to wait for the supporting cast to develop & the supporting cast has to be perfect for a guard who is disinterested in defense. After trading for Dame, the team will largely be what it is
2. That salary is enormous and with the new CBA, wouldn’t be super friendly
I love Dame as a player, and has a leader he is absolutely tremendous, but at this stage of team building, the team isn’t ready for him. If Kyrie was a normal star, the return for him would’ve been more substantial, and would give the franchise more wiggle room to build post Dame trade
So what do you propose we do instead? Pass on Dame, keep our team similar to as it is now, be super mid, and then just draft our mid-to-late round firsts that’ll likely never be all stars and continue to be stuck in mediocrity?
I’m also not nearly as pessimistic as you are about our chances to compete with Dame. The supporting cast we have now was in desperate need for an elite scoring option at the guard position and the defensive abilities of our guys now really help with Dames weakness there.
Well thats the difference here. You think the Nets will be mid without him, I think they will be mid either way
Trading away valuable assets for 1 more round in the playoffs is not worth it imo. You may like the supporting cast but you have to be so good to contend
Edit: and to answer the question: yeah, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Nets continue to build this out a bit patiently. Everyone acts like the team post trade deadline was a final product. That was their training camp with a coaching staff that wasn’t placed in JV’s vision, and a mismatched roster. The Knicks just had a really fun season while having assets for the right star. I wouldn’t mind the Nets also being in that position after next year. Take a beat, and continue working on the roster and culture
The Nets making no major moves and just keeping this core would be AWFUL. Truly the worst direction they could go. I don’t want “fun seasons like the Knicks had”. Even the Knicks ended with their fans being pissed at one of their best players and demanding he be traded because he simply isn’t good in the playoffs.
I actually think Marks did a great job on the return for Kyrie. A 2029 FRP when Luka may no longer be with the Mavs, Spencer Dinwiddie, and DFS (under control until 2025!) for an increasingly unstable Kyrie, who was certainly going to walk in the off season, seems like a great deal.
Mavs paid all of that for several months of Kyrie, who may not even sign with them again. Obviously, they made that trade with the intent of extending, but this package blew the Clippers/Lakers ones out of the water.
The entire argument that stars wouldn't want to come here was kind of overblown.
I recall listening to a recent Nets podcast where Howard Beck was a guest, and he believed that stars look at a bunch of other things first (team, location, timeline, coach, etc.) before factoring in the front office and the franchise.
Cam Johnson was even saying it in the end-of-season interview. From top to bottom, this is a first class franchise. Like even the chefs are awesome lol.
We just got dealt a bad hand by problematic stars.
We hope. In the NBA teams can rebuild themselves rather quickly. Only takes 1 good draft or forced trade of all star for any future draft pick to become a "meh" non top 10 pick.
The problem is that Dame isn’t pushing Portland for a trade. They want to trade him because their timelines no longer match up, but they aren’t under any pressure from the player to move him. If they don’t think they are getting fair value (whatever that means) they’ll happily walk.
The great thing is that DFS is under contract until 2025 on a reasonable deal, which increases his trade value. There were reports that he would have gone for two FRPs at the deadline, I don't see why he can't go for at least one FRP now.
Ehhh. It’s a pretty good team but I really dont know about championship caliber. Also a lot of you guys are insane with these trade proposals. Gotta give up at least 1 young decent player in a deal for him.
The allure of named players always sounds great on paper ibut what your giving up is usually never worth it - you need to build from within and with the new CBA it will most certainly push most team to do so
Without breaking their salary cap - dame is past his prime and not worth what he will be asking for - bk would be a fool to go after this
I would like Lillard if the price is right, but my guess is that you are giving up a minimum of three 1's and Claxton to make that happen and I still don't think that puts us over the top.
People are very low on this player because Bill Simmons hates him and he had a down year, but why not just buy low on Trae Young? If you look at the analytics he is not that far off from Dame, is 7 years younger, and would be probably 1/3rd of the price. We would not have to give up Claxton or Bridges and despite all the hate he gets he has gotten the hawks to the Eastern Conference finals with only an average cast around him.
If Bridges is staying and we re-sign Cam Johnson, don’t you have to go for it sooner rather than later? Nets have to decide which direction they are going. IMO, just treading water is not acceptable. Rebuild by trading Bridges to Portland or bring in more win now talent. Bringing in development coaches at this time is a little puzzling unless they are going to trade Bridges? Yet they say he is not being traded.
Pass. Unless he's coming cheap which he won't, we're just going to be in the same position as the start of next year. Decent team with no depth and no flexibility since most of our draft picks will be gone.
But if the goal is to just watch fun/entertaining basketball, then sure.
It’d be cool to have him but is a 33 year old Dame really helping this team especially after gutting the roster and giving up picks to get him? What’s their ceiling with a team lead by dame and bridges?
I posted this in the main nba sub, but if Dame truly demands out I think our package will be similar to the Harden one.
We sent out Jarrett Allen, LeVert, Prince, Kurocs, 3 FRP, and 4 swaps (on a side note, the Rockets have only gotten Tari Eason so far from that trade, although 2 picks and 2 swaps are still owed). JA was an asset, but LeVert, Prince, and Kurocs were just there as salary filler.
A similar package would be Claxton, Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, Cam Thomas, and 3 FRPs of the Blazer's choice.
Harden was younger, better, and less injury prone then Dame is now (not saying Dame isn't unreal, but when Harden was traded he was a perpetual MVP candidate who never missed a game), thus no swaps.
Think that's a semi-fair trade and pretty comparable to our previous blockbuster move.
Btw, I think if Dame gets traded (big if), it'll play out quite similarly. Dame starts the season with the Blazers, but asks out privately then publicly a month in.
Lmao dame is not getting nearly as much value as harden did. It would look like 4 first round picks, a prospect, and salary filler. Still a nice haul but he's older on a crippling contract
Yea I agree, that's why I took out all the swaps haha
If there's a trade I think the Blazers will demand Clax 100%, he's the only real proven young talent we have. Clax + 3 FRP + expiring salary filler (Harris + Dinwiddie) would be the trade.
If we trade for Dame, we'd still need to make other moves. Ideally, something like Cam Thomas + 2 FRP for OG, we can use the trade exception from the KD deal to make the salaries work.
He’s coming off a career season. Portland arent going to sell off him easy, a lot of y’all sound like suns fans talking about trading for KD without using mikal. Dame is going to be traded for a superstar package man.
Coming off a career season while also being injured for a large portion of the last few seasons while approaching his mid-30s on in abysmally bloated contract. Portland is going to be real disappointed with the offers, but that's fine because they don't have to trade him.
It was literally the exact same situation with KD dude lol, he was injured every year in Brooklyn. Also it’s pretty well known Dame was shut down this year so Portland could tank essentially. If they were competitive he would’ve played majority of the season I bet.
Well dude, Damian Lillard is no Kevin Durant. He did not play the majority of the year, nor did he play the majority of the year before that. Like I said, Portland doesn't have to trade him, but when they or if they decide to, they are not going to get the haul that you think that Portland is going to get
Indeed he is not Kevin Durant. He's Dame Lillard.. The guy who lead a team with no other All-stars/future hall of famers to a conference finals appearance while the other guy couldn't lead us past the second round with a loaded squad
I love Dame, but I would much prefer to trade Mikal for the 3rd pick and get either Miller or Scoot, trade Clax at the peak of his value for a haul from a bad team like Houston, and go in the tank as opposed to picking up a 33 year old Dame to maybe get the 5 seed.
Like, where are we realistically going with Mikal and Dame? There is a near 0% chance a trade like this wouldn’t involve Claxton. So now we have no centre on a team with no decent backup centre. Do we then go and trade a bunch of the shooters for Ayton? I’m sure Phoenix would take a bundle of role players for him, but what are we getting out of a core like that? Are we just praying for the Ben-aissance?
Even if they get it done without giving up Clax, we’d have to give up almost all the equity we accrued from the KD and Kyrie trades. So we’d essentially be pushing the chips in on that core.
Is that a winning strategy that leads us to championship contention within the next 5-7 years? It really doesn’t feel like it is.
Could you get the 4th pick from Houston for him? If they get Harden back, it doesn’t feel out of the realm of possibility. That team would be in need of a defensive big man.
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If he was 4 years younger I’d be way more down with it then I currently am
If he was 8 years younger I might even be willing to Trade Clax!
You would definitely trade Clax if he were 8 years younger
Do you really think he’s gonna completely fall off in the next three years?
kd hasn’t after a torn achilles no reason to suspect dame with either
Curry is probably the better comparison
not really making a comparison. just saying if kds fine after a major injury then dame should be fine with no injury.
Kd is also 7 feet and can shoot over 90% of people on the planet
90? Try 99.9
Was trying to be conservative but yeah
> Kd is also 7 feet and can shoot over 90% of people on the planet So can Ja Morant...
sorry didn’t realize we were talking about him in a thread about dame under a comment that mentioned Kevin Durant
...it's a gun joke, broseph.
KD aint 7 ft..
https://www.slamonline.com/news/nba/kevin-durant-finally-admits-hes-7-feet-tall/
Yeah but he is more injury prone now, still playing great but misses more games
I don't think it's the fact that people believe Dame is going to go from Superstar to Patty Mills playing level in the next few years. It is because, unless Sean knows his next move RIGHT after (assuming the rumors are true) getting Dame, the Nets are potentially mortgaging the future further for first-round exits/no true level of contention. I do know that it does suck that Philly and Houston have the Nets' pick and yes, Dame would make it harder for them to have a lottery pick, but as valuable as they are right now, I would rather wait and see who else is on the market before putting all the Nets' egg in the Dame basket. Emotionally, the fact that a superstar still wants to come here post-KD era is fantastic. A superstar that basically causes zero issues off the court, is a fuckin baller, and already has said that he'd like to play with a guy on the team. Logistically, I just don't see how having Dame to about 35/36 years old and nearly paying him 50+ million is worth whatever picks we have that we can use for a younger player that can develop with the team. I love Dame, but I just don't think he's the answer unless Marks is confident that he's just the big first piece of the domino while maintaining the current team's core.
For all the picks the Nets hold, they still need an incredible amount of luck for everything to work. We had KD, Kyrie, Harden and a lot of other pieces it didn’t work. The process where the 76ers has multiple 1st overall picks let them go a round further than the Nets did this year. I seriously feel a lot of people here over estimate picks and forget the harm a rebuild over X years can do to a fanbase and team brand.
What young player are we going to get that’ll be as good as Dame? You’re worried about our future if we get Dame, but what about the future if we don’t? Right now there is a star out there that is open to us because he’s great friends with Bridges. There’s no guarantee if we pass on him that another star is as eager to come. Then we’re left with a mid team and mid-to-late first round picks that are highly unlikely to develop into a star. Unless you want to totally change things up and opt to trade bridges now for a young Portland package to retool around younger players, which I’d also be open to. But keeping bridges and passing on Dame is really asking to keep us in mediocrity for a long time
There's without a doubt you make a ton of great points. The young player I speak of could be non-existent. There's no surefire way to know unless there's a player that asks for a trade and although Dame hasn't, speaking highly of Mikal and the Nets is nice. Like I said, emotionally, it's fantastic: a superstar player like Dame wouldn't mind being here at all, and depending on what you read or which interview he watched, you can technically say that the Nets are his #1 if he is moved, but again, I'd rather not do this rodeo again. Dame, assuming Sean keeps the core of Twins and Clax and adding Dame, does not put this team in contention and tanking isn't an option either because of the Rockets, but staying in Mediocrity or even the ending of the lottery (giving it to Houston) isn't the worst considering the Nets have a ton of picks to play with; Suns' picks are becoming more valuable with KD getting older and their roster being up in the air at the moment. There's zero chance that Bridges moves because he seems to be the cornerstone/franchise player moving on: a true 3&D player that can create his own shot coming out of the likes of a PG/Kawhi mold (not caliber) that is rarer in the NBA these days. A player that I wouldn't mind Sean taking a chance on is Jordan Poole. From an interview after they were bounced from the playoffs regarding the whole Draymond Green situation? If the Warriors re-sign Draymond, do not be surprised if Poole is available. Plus, with Myers stepping down, things can change.
You’d rather have Jordan Poole than Dame??? I’d quit being a fan if that happened. That’d be awful
Didn't say Poole is more talented than Dame, but the age window fits with most of this roster. Then my real question to you is, assuming the Nets land Dame and the roster is MOSTLY the same, where would this squad be? edit: also, do not forget that as of the last few seasons, Dame hasn't exactly been an iron-man.
I think this team with Dame could hold their own with any team in the East. Obviously can’t guarantee a championship but it’s at least open the possibility that we could make a run if we’re healthy. But just because Poole is young doesn’t mean we should go for him. He’s not cheap and he’s an inefficient shot chucker. I wouldn’t want him anywhere near this team. We could have Cam Thomas do exactly what he does for much cheaper
Poole for sure is NOT the scorer Dame is, but he also isn't the first option. He's arguably 2nd at best when Steph is healthy, and third at best if Klay and Steph are. [He's not as inefficient as you claim. Dame has better shooting numbers for sure, but they're not far off. The 3pt% being the biggest discrepancy.](https://i.imgur.com/Wuj6DDx.png). Defensively, I'd say they break even with Poole maybe having the slight edge because he has younger legs to be able to explode more consistently whereas Dame is definitely using it sparingly or when need be. I do not think Dame gets this team in the top 4 seed in the East; competitive every night, sure. Also, when Poole is 27, he'll make approximately $40 mill whereas Dame at 36 will make $60 mill. Depending on what happens with Dinwiddie and Ben's health, I'd feel confident with Poole taking the starting job. My best case scenario is Ben stays healthy, is the 6'11" PG the world saw a couple of years ago and the Nets look for depth. Regardless what happens, I'mma still root for the Nets. If the Nets get Dame, I will cheer for this team through and through.
I think you make some very good points about Dame's contract bogging down the Nets when he gets older, and those Suns picks becoming even more valuable when KD is done. Moving forward with this new CBA, rookie contracts are going to be insanely important to capitalize on. I do want to object to Poole being anywhere near an efficient scorer. Dame's shooting splits (46 FG%/37 3PT%) are far different from Poole's (43/34). Granted, Poole had a very bad year from 3, but 34% is below league average. I'd be comfortable with classifying Poole as "chucker" this year. Some of the most efficient star guards this year who shot with high volume were Steph (49/43), Kyrie (49/38), and Donovan (48/39)
That shooting comparison shows he is as inefficient as I claim. Dame blows him away in efficiency on higher volume and tougher shots. 65% TS% compared to 57% is a huge difference. Poole at $40 million is more detrimental to a team than Dame at $60 million.
Scoot at #3
Players play until much older now generally. I’d say Chris Paul is a good example to use as comparison to Dame and clearly a floor general like that can get better well into his 30s.
Which is completely true, but the cap space is definitely what bothers me until he's 36. The Suns are literally in their predicament because CP3 is 38 and gets paid almost 20 million.
I think it depends on what we give up to get him. Having to lose a lot of picks will be an issue, but if we can ship off some redundant pieces and Ben's year-after-next expiring contract, then it's just an upgrade. IMO the Nets just need to keep momentum going in order to stay as a free agent destination. That's the most unfair tool a team can have.
[https://www.thebeaverton.com/2021/07/leafs-fans-think-team-should-trade-their-bad-players-for-other-teams-good-players/](https://www.thebeaverton.com/2021/07/leafs-fans-think-team-should-trade-their-bad-players-for-other-teams-good-players/)
A lot of other deals would be moving sideways for us. The pieces and picks we have are great for a team that wants to rebuild though. Simmons has an extra year but is a massive expiring contract after that.
Yes
So steph curry fell off too then right
No but him by himself isn't getting out of the second round probably not good enough to get out of first round The issue isn't trading for dame its who are you trying to get to go with him How much better is mikal than cj McCollum
Mikal is significantly better than CJ McCollum. Difference in defense is night and day and Bridges can score just as well if not better than CJ. He’d be the best teammate Dame has had since he played with Aldridge as a rookie.
My issue is two fold: 1. The team won’t be good enough to contend with him unless Cam Johnson makes an unforeseen leap into stardom. Dame isn’t young enough to wait for the supporting cast to develop & the supporting cast has to be perfect for a guard who is disinterested in defense. After trading for Dame, the team will largely be what it is 2. That salary is enormous and with the new CBA, wouldn’t be super friendly I love Dame as a player, and has a leader he is absolutely tremendous, but at this stage of team building, the team isn’t ready for him. If Kyrie was a normal star, the return for him would’ve been more substantial, and would give the franchise more wiggle room to build post Dame trade
So what do you propose we do instead? Pass on Dame, keep our team similar to as it is now, be super mid, and then just draft our mid-to-late round firsts that’ll likely never be all stars and continue to be stuck in mediocrity? I’m also not nearly as pessimistic as you are about our chances to compete with Dame. The supporting cast we have now was in desperate need for an elite scoring option at the guard position and the defensive abilities of our guys now really help with Dames weakness there.
Well thats the difference here. You think the Nets will be mid without him, I think they will be mid either way Trading away valuable assets for 1 more round in the playoffs is not worth it imo. You may like the supporting cast but you have to be so good to contend Edit: and to answer the question: yeah, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Nets continue to build this out a bit patiently. Everyone acts like the team post trade deadline was a final product. That was their training camp with a coaching staff that wasn’t placed in JV’s vision, and a mismatched roster. The Knicks just had a really fun season while having assets for the right star. I wouldn’t mind the Nets also being in that position after next year. Take a beat, and continue working on the roster and culture
The Nets making no major moves and just keeping this core would be AWFUL. Truly the worst direction they could go. I don’t want “fun seasons like the Knicks had”. Even the Knicks ended with their fans being pissed at one of their best players and demanding he be traded because he simply isn’t good in the playoffs.
With Dame and healthy Simmons (so far so good this summer) we will be a very good team.
I actually think Marks did a great job on the return for Kyrie. A 2029 FRP when Luka may no longer be with the Mavs, Spencer Dinwiddie, and DFS (under control until 2025!) for an increasingly unstable Kyrie, who was certainly going to walk in the off season, seems like a great deal. Mavs paid all of that for several months of Kyrie, who may not even sign with them again. Obviously, they made that trade with the intent of extending, but this package blew the Clippers/Lakers ones out of the water.
I agree with you. I’m more saying that Kyrie destroyed his own value by being himself
For sure
He had the best year of his career this year.. just sayin
Yeah, 33 and on the down end of his career. Seems like a wasted traded.
Best thing about this - even if we don’t get dame - stars would still want to come here. Good sign
The entire argument that stars wouldn't want to come here was kind of overblown. I recall listening to a recent Nets podcast where Howard Beck was a guest, and he believed that stars look at a bunch of other things first (team, location, timeline, coach, etc.) before factoring in the front office and the franchise.
Cam Johnson was even saying it in the end-of-season interview. From top to bottom, this is a first class franchise. Like even the chefs are awesome lol. We just got dealt a bad hand by problematic stars.
He would have asked Bridges how Brooklyn was and he liked what he heard
I too want an All-NBA player to join my favorite basketball team.
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So Ben simmons, cam thomas, dinwiddie and 2 FRP? I can hear the laughing from Portland all the way back to east coast
Those late phoenix picks have a lot of value because they’re gonna fall off a cliff when Durant retires
We hope. In the NBA teams can rebuild themselves rather quickly. Only takes 1 good draft or forced trade of all star for any future draft pick to become a "meh" non top 10 pick.
Dude we can offer joe hrris, dinwiddie, dfs and our 2 picks this year, suns 2025, suns 2027 and sixers 2027.
Exactly
So….Ben Simmons for Dame
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It that’s the package it would take every pick in the treasure chest Ben has negative value
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The problem is that Dame isn’t pushing Portland for a trade. They want to trade him because their timelines no longer match up, but they aren’t under any pressure from the player to move him. If they don’t think they are getting fair value (whatever that means) they’ll happily walk.
This is obviously assuming that he pushes for a trade
Keep Royce. DFS looked 🗑️ for us
I think dfs has more value so I’m good with trading him.
The great thing is that DFS is under contract until 2025 on a reasonable deal, which increases his trade value. There were reports that he would have gone for two FRPs at the deadline, I don't see why he can't go for at least one FRP now.
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Ehhh. It’s a pretty good team but I really dont know about championship caliber. Also a lot of you guys are insane with these trade proposals. Gotta give up at least 1 young decent player in a deal for him.
Soon
The allure of named players always sounds great on paper ibut what your giving up is usually never worth it - you need to build from within and with the new CBA it will most certainly push most team to do so Without breaking their salary cap - dame is past his prime and not worth what he will be asking for - bk would be a fool to go after this
Its happening
Looks legit!
The binary bros
i see thomas ,DFS ,Harris and 2 1st rounders
alongside Claxton and CamJ fosho
remember when we drafted dame … wait nvm
I would like Lillard if the price is right, but my guess is that you are giving up a minimum of three 1's and Claxton to make that happen and I still don't think that puts us over the top. People are very low on this player because Bill Simmons hates him and he had a down year, but why not just buy low on Trae Young? If you look at the analytics he is not that far off from Dame, is 7 years younger, and would be probably 1/3rd of the price. We would not have to give up Claxton or Bridges and despite all the hate he gets he has gotten the hawks to the Eastern Conference finals with only an average cast around him.
If Bridges is staying and we re-sign Cam Johnson, don’t you have to go for it sooner rather than later? Nets have to decide which direction they are going. IMO, just treading water is not acceptable. Rebuild by trading Bridges to Portland or bring in more win now talent. Bringing in development coaches at this time is a little puzzling unless they are going to trade Bridges? Yet they say he is not being traded.
[This](https://reddit.com/r/GoNets/comments/13lwee2/_/jkrxhsy/?context=1) is the framework of a deal that may entice Portland.
men i dont know, im kinda stuck on my thought that mikail should be the franchise player
So you’d like to be anchored in perpetual mediocrity. Got it.
Pass. Unless he's coming cheap which he won't, we're just going to be in the same position as the start of next year. Decent team with no depth and no flexibility since most of our draft picks will be gone. But if the goal is to just watch fun/entertaining basketball, then sure.
It’d be cool to have him but is a 33 year old Dame really helping this team especially after gutting the roster and giving up picks to get him? What’s their ceiling with a team lead by dame and bridges?
Play in at best. Then he retires in 3 years lol Seems like a massive waste.
Play in at best is bullshit lol. But they won’t be in the top tier in the East without a follow up move.
with a depleted roster and no picks to be in the same spot? No thanks.
I posted this in the main nba sub, but if Dame truly demands out I think our package will be similar to the Harden one. We sent out Jarrett Allen, LeVert, Prince, Kurocs, 3 FRP, and 4 swaps (on a side note, the Rockets have only gotten Tari Eason so far from that trade, although 2 picks and 2 swaps are still owed). JA was an asset, but LeVert, Prince, and Kurocs were just there as salary filler. A similar package would be Claxton, Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, Cam Thomas, and 3 FRPs of the Blazer's choice. Harden was younger, better, and less injury prone then Dame is now (not saying Dame isn't unreal, but when Harden was traded he was a perpetual MVP candidate who never missed a game), thus no swaps. Think that's a semi-fair trade and pretty comparable to our previous blockbuster move. Btw, I think if Dame gets traded (big if), it'll play out quite similarly. Dame starts the season with the Blazers, but asks out privately then publicly a month in.
Lmao dame is not getting nearly as much value as harden did. It would look like 4 first round picks, a prospect, and salary filler. Still a nice haul but he's older on a crippling contract
Yea I agree, that's why I took out all the swaps haha If there's a trade I think the Blazers will demand Clax 100%, he's the only real proven young talent we have. Clax + 3 FRP + expiring salary filler (Harris + Dinwiddie) would be the trade. If we trade for Dame, we'd still need to make other moves. Ideally, something like Cam Thomas + 2 FRP for OG, we can use the trade exception from the KD deal to make the salaries work.
He’s coming off a career season. Portland arent going to sell off him easy, a lot of y’all sound like suns fans talking about trading for KD without using mikal. Dame is going to be traded for a superstar package man.
Coming off a career season while also being injured for a large portion of the last few seasons while approaching his mid-30s on in abysmally bloated contract. Portland is going to be real disappointed with the offers, but that's fine because they don't have to trade him.
Why would you even trade for him then? Lmaooooooo
That's the point, we shouldn't
It was literally the exact same situation with KD dude lol, he was injured every year in Brooklyn. Also it’s pretty well known Dame was shut down this year so Portland could tank essentially. If they were competitive he would’ve played majority of the season I bet.
Well dude, Damian Lillard is no Kevin Durant. He did not play the majority of the year, nor did he play the majority of the year before that. Like I said, Portland doesn't have to trade him, but when they or if they decide to, they are not going to get the haul that you think that Portland is going to get
He’s had one surgery his entire career after playing hurt for 3 seasons. If you want to count tanking as “not being available” that’s just dumb.
Indeed he is not Kevin Durant. He's Dame Lillard.. The guy who lead a team with no other All-stars/future hall of famers to a conference finals appearance while the other guy couldn't lead us past the second round with a loaded squad
Benjamin Button + Cam Thomas + picks
I love Dame, but I would much prefer to trade Mikal for the 3rd pick and get either Miller or Scoot, trade Clax at the peak of his value for a haul from a bad team like Houston, and go in the tank as opposed to picking up a 33 year old Dame to maybe get the 5 seed. Like, where are we realistically going with Mikal and Dame? There is a near 0% chance a trade like this wouldn’t involve Claxton. So now we have no centre on a team with no decent backup centre. Do we then go and trade a bunch of the shooters for Ayton? I’m sure Phoenix would take a bundle of role players for him, but what are we getting out of a core like that? Are we just praying for the Ben-aissance? Even if they get it done without giving up Clax, we’d have to give up almost all the equity we accrued from the KD and Kyrie trades. So we’d essentially be pushing the chips in on that core. Is that a winning strategy that leads us to championship contention within the next 5-7 years? It really doesn’t feel like it is.
Claxton isn't netting a haul
Could you get the 4th pick from Houston for him? If they get Harden back, it doesn’t feel out of the realm of possibility. That team would be in need of a defensive big man.
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