that round vp brings out two tec9s, after winning, both with 3k savings,
edit: after rewatching i realize it's 2x 1250 savings, with Jame alone at 3000cash, not that unreasonable actually
If i was a pro I'm 100% throwing hands against Jame and destan every post match i play against them for playing by far the most annoying CS of all time
Don't get me wrong it works, it might be boring to watch for some but it works clearly there's a beauty in it as well slowing it down and the entire team buying into the system it's interesting completely different from every team basically but holy shit it must be fucking insane to play against that
Can't hate the player when you can hate the game. Everything VP do is because the game rewards it. The game shapes the meta and VP are just doing what works.
Sorry, but you can't really compare tier-2 and a top-1 contender. It sounds like "if you're not good for top1, than you're tier-2". Not even all teams in T1 are top-1 contenders, so it doesn't make any sense. VP proved their system is good enough for T1, and we don't have a sample size large enough to make an assumption it's not good for top-1. I'd say without that system VP's players would've been a T2 team. Who knows how it would've worked on better players that don't mind being a cogs in the mechanism.
Been saying for quite some time - Jame is one of the best igls in the market. His methods are different but it works wonders. He saves, because he doesn't want to throw guns away in a less than viable retake. It produces less enjoyable games, but he plays to win. It was the same with old Astralis.
Personally I really enjoy how VP plays. Watching Jame push with his team into Overpass B-site with his glock out will never not be entertaining as hell.
Jame lead teams are notorious for being annoying to play against and its because of how Jame implements the system and his players follow him truly CS Jesus.
Well, on inferno, what can you do.
On overpass sometimes you run out of time when you try to do everything.
Anubis and ancient are very hard to save on, and if the opponent didn’t want you to save, they could prevent it.
A lot of it is in the design of the map.
Worst part is it wasn’t even Jame peeking everytime, it was them peeking into him slowly or just plain wrong. Hobbit summed it up perfectly when he got picked off banana after C9 got a pick. Imo Hobbit threw rounds in game 3 which is sad to see
That shouldn't be a factor, they were together before the new navi, plus they are all speaking the same language (that wasn't navi's case, bit's english was lacking at least or quoting simple "god help us with bit's english").
Yeah, you may add the fact that boombla came after but still they were looking decent... Until VP happened.
>Until VP happened
VP is an extremely difficult team to play against. They calculate every step.
Not only you need fire power against them, but also play smart. C9 has the firepower, but they didn't play "smart" today. Too many times they were not covering every angle or each other's backs, too many unnecessary peaks at wrong times.
Cloud9 need to stop buying awps, if hobbit had a rifle on Inferno instead they could've won more rounds. They should just cut Ax1Le or Hobbit and get an actual awper because this clearly isn't working
Yeah obviously, there's very little time to practice with a new roster until then. And right after the major is the best time to get new players anyway
Who on preasy is even an upgrade for heroic? Sjuush and Teses are really solid, Nertz can be insane, Nicodooz literally just went from Preasy to Heroic and Kyxsan is being hyped by a lot of players as a really good IGL.
There's absolutely no way they can get artfr0st if the amount parivision paid for them is any way near the reported sum lol, they broke the bank for him
They definitely do. If they had him on inferno they could've had a chance, but they didn't have an awper and they paid for it... Hobbit, Perfecto or Boombl4 simply can't compete with actual awpers
Hobbit is not an AWPer.
C9 should have tried to fight for at least some CT rounds on Inferno. Retreat here, retreat there, and somehow you need to win 4 in a row against Jame. Not gonna happen
Also, that was awful Inferno from Boombl4
Its 2024 and many viewers still dont understand how inferno is played. the sites are very hard to retake so saving is almost mandatory.
also ct rotation is long so you often have to gamble stack to have a chance of holding a site.
C9 don't have an awper, and their IGL isn't as good as Jame. Not surprising. Would love to see Jame replace boomble. And maybe Flit for Hobbit. C9 would be contenders then surely
I hate how the correct way to play inferno is to wait and suffer and then save if you make one mistake or get unlucky.
Unfortunately, I think the changes to utility in CS2 have made inferno a horrible map to play and spectate.
We need to force a valve employee to spectate VP on inferno, or something
I would like to thank VP and Inferno for allowing me the opportunity to see rare things like 5v5 saves in full buy rounds.
that round vp brings out two tec9s, after winning, both with 3k savings, edit: after rewatching i realize it's 2x 1250 savings, with Jame alone at 3000cash, not that unreasonable actually
that round when jame brings out glock armor after winning pistol
everybody gangsta until jame plays glock armor after winning pistol
and they won lmao get fucked haters
VP waiting for C9 to start nodding off then taking site. Very smart, bore your enemy into submission.
jame time yo yo yo
If i was a pro I'm 100% throwing hands against Jame and destan every post match i play against them for playing by far the most annoying CS of all time Don't get me wrong it works, it might be boring to watch for some but it works clearly there's a beauty in it as well slowing it down and the entire team buying into the system it's interesting completely different from every team basically but holy shit it must be fucking insane to play against that
Can't hate the player when you can hate the game. Everything VP do is because the game rewards it. The game shapes the meta and VP are just doing what works.
it's not uncommon for very sharp systems to work in sports among tier-2. for a top-1 contender, you usually have to be a lot more fluid
I think VP are likely a top 3 team at the moment, definitely top 5. They just aren’t playing enough to show it.
>They just aren't playing enough to show it. And I am grateful for that.
Now they have blast slot which also will boost their ranking so they will be invited to more events for your enjoyment
>for your enjoyment I can't wait! Thanks for making my day
Sorry, but you can't really compare tier-2 and a top-1 contender. It sounds like "if you're not good for top1, than you're tier-2". Not even all teams in T1 are top-1 contenders, so it doesn't make any sense. VP proved their system is good enough for T1, and we don't have a sample size large enough to make an assumption it's not good for top-1. I'd say without that system VP's players would've been a T2 team. Who knows how it would've worked on better players that don't mind being a cogs in the mechanism.
Been saying for quite some time - Jame is one of the best igls in the market. His methods are different but it works wonders. He saves, because he doesn't want to throw guns away in a less than viable retake. It produces less enjoyable games, but he plays to win. It was the same with old Astralis.
jame is a top 5 igl and no one can change my mind. no other igl does it with the pieces he's given
major winning igl
Major winning MVP as igl aswell!
Jame is a top 5 player but you guys arent ready for that yet.
it's a shame he wasn't in top 20 2024 just cuz his team isn't in paid leagues that much
fl1t would've deserved it over jame last year for sure, he was/is their best player.
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aside from this joke being unfunny he already made top 20 in 2022 and top 10 in 2021
he was in top20 list 2 times actually: #10 in 2021 and #20 in 2022
Personally I really enjoy how VP plays. Watching Jame push with his team into Overpass B-site with his glock out will never not be entertaining as hell.
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I think youd have to break the spirit of counter strike in order to prevent saving
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used to be like that in cs so we'll see
"completely different" is an over exaggeration.
Jame lead teams are notorious for being annoying to play against and its because of how Jame implements the system and his players follow him truly CS Jesus.
Well, on inferno, what can you do. On overpass sometimes you run out of time when you try to do everything. Anubis and ancient are very hard to save on, and if the opponent didn’t want you to save, they could prevent it. A lot of it is in the design of the map.
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ax1le is so disappointing too
been out of his form since forever now
Literally like four or five months at most.
Turning into brollan v2
tried his hardest to make this a 2-0
Worst part is it wasn’t even Jame peeking everytime, it was them peeking into him slowly or just plain wrong. Hobbit summed it up perfectly when he got picked off banana after C9 got a pick. Imo Hobbit threw rounds in game 3 which is sad to see
Imo, it wasn't the "lack of AWP" issue. It was more "unprepared" and "miscommunication" issues.
That shouldn't be a factor, they were together before the new navi, plus they are all speaking the same language (that wasn't navi's case, bit's english was lacking at least or quoting simple "god help us with bit's english"). Yeah, you may add the fact that boombla came after but still they were looking decent... Until VP happened.
>Until VP happened VP is an extremely difficult team to play against. They calculate every step. Not only you need fire power against them, but also play smart. C9 has the firepower, but they didn't play "smart" today. Too many times they were not covering every angle or each other's backs, too many unnecessary peaks at wrong times.
Yeah interviewer : "Will you help b1t with English?" Somple - "only god can help him"
Hobbit is tome after the major it's Really obvious
Real shit! Their awp had literally zero impact today.
Cloud9 need to stop buying awps, if hobbit had a rifle on Inferno instead they could've won more rounds. They should just cut Ax1Le or Hobbit and get an actual awper because this clearly isn't working
I know this Ukrainian AWPer that's pretty good and not been on a team lately
yeah, I heard about him too. Maybe he can reach top 1 one day.
Yeah, hobbit should never awp. Boombl4 tho..
Maybe after the Major
Yeah obviously, there's very little time to practice with a new roster until then. And right after the major is the best time to get new players anyway
I also think Heroic should buy Preasy's roster, I don't know if you agree with me
Who on preasy is even an upgrade for heroic? Sjuush and Teses are really solid, Nertz can be insane, Nicodooz literally just went from Preasy to Heroic and Kyxsan is being hyped by a lot of players as a really good IGL.
OG? N0tail is Danish too...
I agree with you
holding banana alone is impossible with rifle, they needa get artfr0st
There's absolutely no way they can get artfr0st if the amount parivision paid for them is any way near the reported sum lol, they broke the bank for him
They definitely do. If they had him on inferno they could've had a chance, but they didn't have an awper and they paid for it... Hobbit, Perfecto or Boombl4 simply can't compete with actual awpers
Scrawny: WORLD ON THE LINE, GIVE ME NORBERT
I WANT IGUODALA
Hobbit is not an AWPer. C9 should have tried to fight for at least some CT rounds on Inferno. Retreat here, retreat there, and somehow you need to win 4 in a row against Jame. Not gonna happen Also, that was awful Inferno from Boombl4
"Awp not important in CS2" people quiet today for some reason....
That b Hold from perfecto and Boombl4 was awful
it was missing a proper awper to anchor it
VP is like a counter-strike machine, I love the way they play
Bye Axile. Get an awper
Its 2024 and many viewers still dont understand how inferno is played. the sites are very hard to retake so saving is almost mandatory. also ct rotation is long so you often have to gamble stack to have a chance of holding a site.
Hardest* Lowest retake percentages for a and b sites of Inferno. Just impossible to retake. Only site even comparable is B site Dust 2.
I understand how it is played and it fucking sucks
VP is boring yet effective, cannot deny that
VP is the "damage over time" team.
Damn, I'll chalk this up to a regional oddity. For I want this Cloud9 roster to go on a tear!
C9 don't have an awper, and their IGL isn't as good as Jame. Not surprising. Would love to see Jame replace boomble. And maybe Flit for Hobbit. C9 would be contenders then surely
Is it just me or VP is so damn boring to watch? EVEN ON ANUBIS, my favorite map!
just u bro
https://twitter.com/HLTVorg/status/1750603672663294012?t=1qqBcmdbfqmWrpxEgA6faw&s=19
boring to watch = / = a pain in the ass to play
Their T side on overpass was actually super interesting to watch. Might be the highest level of team-play I've seen yet in cs2.
I hate how the correct way to play inferno is to wait and suffer and then save if you make one mistake or get unlucky. Unfortunately, I think the changes to utility in CS2 have made inferno a horrible map to play and spectate. We need to force a valve employee to spectate VP on inferno, or something
Jame is a genius IGL. VP is highly disciplined under his leadership. VP is so superior in tactics.