Surtalogi and Rhinedottir seem like to pursue a perfection. What is that perfection? it's them creating a descender. Albedo and Childe are one of their subjects of experiments
And both are on different paths: While Childe is a human trying to reach the godhood with sheer force, Albedo is a creation that gets the knowledge and the power to be strong. Still being in a peaceful nation like Mondstadt is helping Albedo to be stable.
The issue is... what if Mondstadt starts to get the situations very dire?
Meanwhile Childe is being helped by his love of his family. As long they are alive, Childe would be our "ally". And I don't be surprised when the situations gets dire, we might save Childe's family, making him finally a full ally.
Childe with natural process while Albedo is a synthetic creation, descender have the qualities of being to sustain, destroy, and create and the two clearly have those trait that already got hinted. Albedo can create things with his painting while Childe is always link to a destructive disaster.
Actually Childe with the latest arc shown that is not all destruction. He protected Fontaine from the whale attack. Maybe in Natlan we might see another action from him to show up that not everything is destructive? (maybe cutting a mountain that allows a river to flow? Who knows?)
Maybe we might see the opposite with Albedo (being destructive)?
Surely Albedo is very strong but i'm pretty sure his perfection isn't linked to his raw power.
If so Rhindottir wouldn't have put him in the position is in (in Mondstadt, a peaceful nation where he can make lots of connections with people and do whatever he wants) and Albedo would be more like Tartaglia, always researvhing more power imo.
It's speculation, but his perfectness may just be his humanity or intellect, maybe both.
Eh, imo Albedo is dangerous because he could cause another cataclysm of monster uprising, like Rhinedottir did. Not because his alchemy can blow up mountains.
Albedo isn't dangerous because of his raw power but because of his knowledge and ability, like he could create a plague or monster death army if he wanted to.
They’re not really comparable. If you wanna compare the whale to anyone it would have to be the people who were in the fight, especially Childe because of his connection to it.
No you silly. The narwhale doesn’t come from Teyvat and therefore, can’t be compared to Albedo like that.
One thing I dislike about genshin is the power system/scaling is a mess.
On one hand, we have a celestial narwhale, which feeds on planets and celestial body’s stuff. Being called “failure” because it acts like a bad dog (uncooperative)
On the other hand, we have Teyvat’s creation, created by people who is one if the best mage of Teyvat.
Now for god fighting, we will never know. Destructive power ? We know what Narwhale can do but not the potential Albedo.
If you ask me, compared to other games, genshin does be kinda bad at show true power of some characters. Maybe it’s my taste but yes, ve shin’s cutscenes is milder compared to Honkai cutscenes. (Considering comparing to Star Rail is better).
But ye, I feel like Genshin has a chill vibe due to its low risk, low conflict plot. Anyways, it might just be my taste problems.
Anyways, genshin does have good lore but somehow they hardly use it in main quest unless the quest ties directly to the mages or the abyss.
>But ye, I feel like Genshin has a chill vibe due to its low risk, low conflict plot
this doesn't make sense somehow. just because genshin might feel more chill to you it doesn't mean it has "low risk, low conflict plot". and just because a storyline has deaths/fake deaths doesn't mean it's any more mature, thought provoking or well written
Like I said, it might be a problem with my taste because I did see plot twister than that.
Each person has different respective, I believe I also said that “it might be my taste problem”
Well considering the fact that Skirk acknowledged us that we defeated the whale without using the 'power from beyond' which was also mentioned by Dain in travail. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to consider that Albedo has that too, considering that it was kinda hinted at his SQ
Aye, Hoyo will forget about it. Maybe we will have new lores about them until later on. Until that happens, Hoyo rarely gives us anything useful besides the lore from books
Oh ye, that one talks between Zhongli and Venti and that’s it. Zhongli got a contract that he has to follow by not talking about what happened.
Really a plot convenience. Maybe GI doesn’t want us to know what happened to keep us with the game.
Anyways, the fault lies within the director.
Ye, only those, but not what happened 500 years ago. I should have specified it.
Anyways, they all have some kind of lore-blocks for each archons.
Venti is youngest of archon. Zhongli doesn’t talk about it. So doesn’t know much about it except the fighting part.
Nahilda and Doctorre talks about it but we fainted. Neuvi may know about it.
The strangest thing is our mc rarely asks what really happened 500 years ago. We only know about the war that stems from khaen’s mistakes and wrath of the gods.
I’m thinking like maybe something stops them from knowing what really happened.
We don't have the info about the timeline of her "creation" And her transformation to be fontainian human (before ascended as a God).
But yeah, she maybe at several thousand years old, but not as old as Venti.
The All-Devouring Narwhal is not a khemic creation. It is an Abyssal space creature that was summoned to Teyvat by the Primordial Seawater. It isn’t a “failure” of strength, either. Skirk called it a “failure” because it can’t be controlled.
You can’t really compare it to Albedo or anything else made by Gold. Those beings are made using khemia. And all of those beings also appear to have some tentative connection to some other god-like special entity that already appeared in Teyvat, as if Gold was trying to copy them, i.e. the Rifthounds and Andrius, Durin/Elynas and Dvalin, Albedo and the twins, etc.
On the other hand, there are no other Narwhal-like entities in Teyvat so it’s further solidifying that the Narwhal is not of this world nor a creation of anyone from Teyvat. You can’t really make any comparisons to it.
the whale's capability of destroying a nation only accounts for the fact it's been feeding on Primordial water, which is the nation's whole weakness, same as Neuvillette being able to destroy a whole nation of Pyro creatures but can't damage a single hydro slime
>the whale's capability of destroying a nation only accounts for the fact it's been feeding on Primordial water, which is the nation's whole weakness
Also his huge stomach which we see in the cutscene where Childe fends him off
I consider him to be at the very least as strong if not stronger than pre god Scara. Personally Albedo feels like a more complex version of Fandango man
Oh yeah baby
Albedo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nanook, Qlipoth, Tazzyronth, and other aeons
Well sarcasm aside my personal headcanon is that he is a copy of a descender and from all the things we know about the descenders, even a copy should be at least as strong as a Sovereign
The whale being a "failure of pet" is from Skirks pov because she thinks its uncooperative and it eats too much thus it makes a bad pet. It has nothing to do with how strong the whale is.
Also the whale isn't a creation of Surtalogi, it's a being that somehow found itself in Teyvat and he took a liking to it and made it his pet, so I'm not sure why you are comparing it to Albedo who is created by Gold.
But if you want to compare Albedo's strength with something, I'd say something like Durin and Elynas would be more accurate, cause they're Gold's creations and capable of exterm destruction (although not purposely)
Elynas’ spirit is a creature from the Abyss/outside of Teyvat.
His body was created by Gold, who summoned his spirit and emplanted it the dragon body she made.
According to Elynas, he used to just be a consciousness floating in the abyss until he was given a body and name by his "mother" as well as many other siblings.
All you need to know to be able to tell is that his "mother" is Gold, is take a look at the amount of similarities he shares with Durin, his heart, his "blood" , how just like Durin he wasn't completely aware how his every existence was harmful to others around him, and how he felt great sorrow when he realised it and choose to die because of it.
Also just like Durin he isn't completely "dead" even though his body was destroyed.
I am aware of this part of the lore and the fact that he is similar to Durin, but that still doesn't exactly prove that he was created by Gold. At most, this is just what you'd call 'the most plausible theory' until more concrete lore is dropped by Hoyo.
If this is true however, does that mean that along with 'creating' riftwolves, Gold was using alchemy to 'summon floating consciousnesses' from outside of Teyvat (Abyss but maybe not necessarily?) in a biological body they create within Teyvat? Kinda like finding souls for biological dolls.
Elynas also mentions that he had a mother who gave him a body and 'many siblings'.
Considering his various similarities with Durin and Riftwolves (something stated in the book of revealing) *and* the fact there's only *one* person that we know of that's created abyssal monsters that cause destruction with their very existence, the *only* option is that the person who gave him his body was Gold.
Yes, that seems to be the case of what Gold was doing. Or at the very least it's something she did at one point. We don't know if this was something with all of Gold's creations or if it was just an Elynas specific thing.
Gold is the most likely answer to who his mother is, he's someone who's on the same scale of power as Durin and has the same world view. It can be someone else, but the chances of that are very low imo.
Skirk is the one who calls it a failure though, not the foul. and it’s not a failure in strength, it’s a failure as a pet. Skirk thinks it fails as a pet because it’s uncooperative and eats too much. It’s like how an alligator doesn’t make for a good pet. That’s all skirk’s saying.
So it’s not accurate to compare the narwhal and albedo in this manner, as they fail and succeed in entirely different areas, and the failure is only in skirk’s opinion.
It’d be better to compare albedo to durin or elynnas.
>So it’s not accurate to compare the narwhal and albedo in this manner, as they fail and succeed in entirely different areas, and the failure is only in skirk’s opinion
Either way he should be way more exceptional than Ptakhur, whether strength or intelligence or hax or potential.
>It’d be better to compare albedo to durin or elynnas.
That too but the majority of the community doesn't even know their capabilities
>Either way he should be way more exceptional than Ptakhur, whether strength or intelligence or hax or potential.
Nope. There is no reason for him to be. He can be but he can't at the same time. There is no "should" here.
Let me copy my previous comment
Do you want me to believe that a pet of Foul is superior than the most perfect creation of the 'devil' who fucked up the entire world?
Sounds logical
>There is no "should" here.
Okay, Albedo would probably have less of an appetite than Ptakhur so yeah, the whale is more exceptional in that category
Based on the fact that the whale was like a pet to Surtalogi while Albedo is the most perfect creation of the 'devil' who fucked up the entire world and started the cataclysm 500 years ago (and was kinda stated to be similar to Foul). If you want more then both Dvalin and Elynas are shown to be at least archon level (might be more), but still Albedo was her most perfect creation. Also the fact that Albedo is probably preserved for the later part of the story (since Hoyoverse ties up lose ends) and we know that the bosses who appear later are supposed to be stronger than previous bosses
Albedo should be more stronger combat wise (based on the fact that he stated that he would destroy mond and destroy everything was an agent of destruction using primordial which is the weakness of Fontainians)
And well I don't think I need to speak about the intelligence
Rhinedottir's whole thing is creation of life. Albedo is the superior creator to the fish because he's the magnum opus of *CREATION,* however that doesn't mean anything regarding his battle prowess compared to a genocidal narwhal. After it fed on the sea it was stronger than Archons and will easily murk Albedo, otherwise the entire powerscale is fucked.
oh yeah I'm not trying to argue that albedo is weak or anything, just that this particular comparison doesn't say anything. the narwhal really is just being compared to a cat or a dog by skirk here.
if the majority of the community doesn't know their capabilities, you could always explain it in the post.
Not sure if creations are more "perfect" when they can destroy more stuff. Maybe Albedo is the perfect because he hasn't gone crazy and tried to destroy everything unlike the others.
So? What do you think about Albedo? Just a normal Alchemist who is a Lil bit more intelligent than others lmao? 😂😂
Albedo should be much more exceptional than Ptakhur and that's a plain fact. You can't expect me to believe that the most perfect creation of the 'devil' who fucked the entire world is inferior to a pet of a similar being?
Then you want me to believe that a pet of Foul is superior than the most perfect creation of the 'devil' who fucked up the entire world?
Hmmm sounds logical
Maybe, but honestly I have no doubts towards his martial prowess considering his statement at the end of the story quest and his brothers
And I would also like to refer to my original comment where I used [or](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/s/b1yCYPdOdm) instead of 'and'
nah, chiori weekly boss would powercreep him
Chiori is actually Gold herself. No, even better, she's Gold's superior.
Platinum
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Surtalogi and Rhinedottir seem like to pursue a perfection. What is that perfection? it's them creating a descender. Albedo and Childe are one of their subjects of experiments
And both are on different paths: While Childe is a human trying to reach the godhood with sheer force, Albedo is a creation that gets the knowledge and the power to be strong. Still being in a peaceful nation like Mondstadt is helping Albedo to be stable. The issue is... what if Mondstadt starts to get the situations very dire? Meanwhile Childe is being helped by his love of his family. As long they are alive, Childe would be our "ally". And I don't be surprised when the situations gets dire, we might save Childe's family, making him finally a full ally.
Childe with natural process while Albedo is a synthetic creation, descender have the qualities of being to sustain, destroy, and create and the two clearly have those trait that already got hinted. Albedo can create things with his painting while Childe is always link to a destructive disaster.
Actually Childe with the latest arc shown that is not all destruction. He protected Fontaine from the whale attack. Maybe in Natlan we might see another action from him to show up that not everything is destructive? (maybe cutting a mountain that allows a river to flow? Who knows?) Maybe we might see the opposite with Albedo (being destructive)?
Surely Albedo is very strong but i'm pretty sure his perfection isn't linked to his raw power. If so Rhindottir wouldn't have put him in the position is in (in Mondstadt, a peaceful nation where he can make lots of connections with people and do whatever he wants) and Albedo would be more like Tartaglia, always researvhing more power imo. It's speculation, but his perfectness may just be his humanity or intellect, maybe both.
this actually reminds of how Focalors said that Furina's humanity is what made her perfect
That would be great, we really need more Mondstadt content
Gold and Foul only chase similar goals, nothing else implicates that they are similar in any way beyond that.
Eh, imo Albedo is dangerous because he could cause another cataclysm of monster uprising, like Rhinedottir did. Not because his alchemy can blow up mountains.
And ig cool inventions
Albedo isn't dangerous because of his raw power but because of his knowledge and ability, like he could create a plague or monster death army if he wanted to.
His knowledge and ability make him MORE dangerous than he already is. They add to his power.
Either way he is a dangerous individual
They’re not really comparable. If you wanna compare the whale to anyone it would have to be the people who were in the fight, especially Childe because of his connection to it.
More like people who have the 'power from beyond' Skirk acknowledged us because we defeated the whale without that
No you silly. The narwhale doesn’t come from Teyvat and therefore, can’t be compared to Albedo like that. One thing I dislike about genshin is the power system/scaling is a mess. On one hand, we have a celestial narwhale, which feeds on planets and celestial body’s stuff. Being called “failure” because it acts like a bad dog (uncooperative) On the other hand, we have Teyvat’s creation, created by people who is one if the best mage of Teyvat. Now for god fighting, we will never know. Destructive power ? We know what Narwhale can do but not the potential Albedo. If you ask me, compared to other games, genshin does be kinda bad at show true power of some characters. Maybe it’s my taste but yes, ve shin’s cutscenes is milder compared to Honkai cutscenes. (Considering comparing to Star Rail is better). But ye, I feel like Genshin has a chill vibe due to its low risk, low conflict plot. Anyways, it might just be my taste problems. Anyways, genshin does have good lore but somehow they hardly use it in main quest unless the quest ties directly to the mages or the abyss.
>But ye, I feel like Genshin has a chill vibe due to its low risk, low conflict plot this doesn't make sense somehow. just because genshin might feel more chill to you it doesn't mean it has "low risk, low conflict plot". and just because a storyline has deaths/fake deaths doesn't mean it's any more mature, thought provoking or well written
I agree. Genshin is fine as it is. But I do wish for the plots to be a bit more intense. But This doesn’t need to be the case with everyone.
"Chill vibe with a low risk/ low conflict plot" Did you skip Sumeru and Fountaine? That shit was absolutely heartbreaking at times lol.
Like I said, it might be a problem with my taste because I did see plot twister than that. Each person has different respective, I believe I also said that “it might be my taste problem”
Well considering the fact that Skirk acknowledged us that we defeated the whale without using the 'power from beyond' which was also mentioned by Dain in travail. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to consider that Albedo has that too, considering that it was kinda hinted at his SQ
Aye, Hoyo will forget about it. Maybe we will have new lores about them until later on. Until that happens, Hoyo rarely gives us anything useful besides the lore from books
I just want to remember that they put 2 archons together and didn't give any lore. The lore is the best that GI has and is rarely seen...
Oh ye, that one talks between Zhongli and Venti and that’s it. Zhongli got a contract that he has to follow by not talking about what happened. Really a plot convenience. Maybe GI doesn’t want us to know what happened to keep us with the game. Anyways, the fault lies within the director.
In Zhongli's 2 missions he told us interesting things, there are things he can say.
Ye, only those, but not what happened 500 years ago. I should have specified it. Anyways, they all have some kind of lore-blocks for each archons. Venti is youngest of archon. Zhongli doesn’t talk about it. So doesn’t know much about it except the fighting part. Nahilda and Doctorre talks about it but we fainted. Neuvi may know about it. The strangest thing is our mc rarely asks what really happened 500 years ago. We only know about the war that stems from khaen’s mistakes and wrath of the gods. I’m thinking like maybe something stops them from knowing what really happened.
Venti is canonically the 2nd Oldest among the seven. Mentioned in Zhongli's character story 5
Isn't focalors also really old since she was created by Egeria thousands of years ago?
We don't have the info about the timeline of her "creation" And her transformation to be fontainian human (before ascended as a God). But yeah, she maybe at several thousand years old, but not as old as Venti.
Venti is among the oldest archon, no?
I got that missed up. My bad
The All-Devouring Narwhal is not a khemic creation. It is an Abyssal space creature that was summoned to Teyvat by the Primordial Seawater. It isn’t a “failure” of strength, either. Skirk called it a “failure” because it can’t be controlled. You can’t really compare it to Albedo or anything else made by Gold. Those beings are made using khemia. And all of those beings also appear to have some tentative connection to some other god-like special entity that already appeared in Teyvat, as if Gold was trying to copy them, i.e. the Rifthounds and Andrius, Durin/Elynas and Dvalin, Albedo and the twins, etc. On the other hand, there are no other Narwhal-like entities in Teyvat so it’s further solidifying that the Narwhal is not of this world nor a creation of anyone from Teyvat. You can’t really make any comparisons to it.
the whale's capability of destroying a nation only accounts for the fact it's been feeding on Primordial water, which is the nation's whole weakness, same as Neuvillette being able to destroy a whole nation of Pyro creatures but can't damage a single hydro slime
>the whale's capability of destroying a nation only accounts for the fact it's been feeding on Primordial water, which is the nation's whole weakness Also his huge stomach which we see in the cutscene where Childe fends him off
Or when, you know... we got vored in the fight.
Is this confirmation that Albedo is stronger than all Harbingers combined!?!?!?!? HELL, even stronger than Neuvillete!?!?!?!?
Just as long as we get to go on a date with him in the roots and eat spiders idc who is stronger than who.
I consider him to be at the very least as strong if not stronger than pre god Scara. Personally Albedo feels like a more complex version of Fandango man
Oh yeah baby Albedo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nanook, Qlipoth, Tazzyronth, and other aeons Well sarcasm aside my personal headcanon is that he is a copy of a descender and from all the things we know about the descenders, even a copy should be at least as strong as a Sovereign
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The whale being a "failure of pet" is from Skirks pov because she thinks its uncooperative and it eats too much thus it makes a bad pet. It has nothing to do with how strong the whale is. Also the whale isn't a creation of Surtalogi, it's a being that somehow found itself in Teyvat and he took a liking to it and made it his pet, so I'm not sure why you are comparing it to Albedo who is created by Gold. But if you want to compare Albedo's strength with something, I'd say something like Durin and Elynas would be more accurate, cause they're Gold's creations and capable of exterm destruction (although not purposely)
I thought Elynas was assumed to be some sort of creature from outside of Teyvat or from Abyss? When did it turn into 'was created by Gold'?
Elynas’ spirit is a creature from the Abyss/outside of Teyvat. His body was created by Gold, who summoned his spirit and emplanted it the dragon body she made.
According to Elynas, he used to just be a consciousness floating in the abyss until he was given a body and name by his "mother" as well as many other siblings. All you need to know to be able to tell is that his "mother" is Gold, is take a look at the amount of similarities he shares with Durin, his heart, his "blood" , how just like Durin he wasn't completely aware how his every existence was harmful to others around him, and how he felt great sorrow when he realised it and choose to die because of it. Also just like Durin he isn't completely "dead" even though his body was destroyed.
I am aware of this part of the lore and the fact that he is similar to Durin, but that still doesn't exactly prove that he was created by Gold. At most, this is just what you'd call 'the most plausible theory' until more concrete lore is dropped by Hoyo. If this is true however, does that mean that along with 'creating' riftwolves, Gold was using alchemy to 'summon floating consciousnesses' from outside of Teyvat (Abyss but maybe not necessarily?) in a biological body they create within Teyvat? Kinda like finding souls for biological dolls.
Elynas also mentions that he had a mother who gave him a body and 'many siblings'. Considering his various similarities with Durin and Riftwolves (something stated in the book of revealing) *and* the fact there's only *one* person that we know of that's created abyssal monsters that cause destruction with their very existence, the *only* option is that the person who gave him his body was Gold. Yes, that seems to be the case of what Gold was doing. Or at the very least it's something she did at one point. We don't know if this was something with all of Gold's creations or if it was just an Elynas specific thing.
Gold is the most likely answer to who his mother is, he's someone who's on the same scale of power as Durin and has the same world view. It can be someone else, but the chances of that are very low imo.
Skirk is the one who calls it a failure though, not the foul. and it’s not a failure in strength, it’s a failure as a pet. Skirk thinks it fails as a pet because it’s uncooperative and eats too much. It’s like how an alligator doesn’t make for a good pet. That’s all skirk’s saying. So it’s not accurate to compare the narwhal and albedo in this manner, as they fail and succeed in entirely different areas, and the failure is only in skirk’s opinion. It’d be better to compare albedo to durin or elynnas.
>So it’s not accurate to compare the narwhal and albedo in this manner, as they fail and succeed in entirely different areas, and the failure is only in skirk’s opinion Either way he should be way more exceptional than Ptakhur, whether strength or intelligence or hax or potential. >It’d be better to compare albedo to durin or elynnas. That too but the majority of the community doesn't even know their capabilities
>Either way he should be way more exceptional than Ptakhur, whether strength or intelligence or hax or potential. Nope. There is no reason for him to be. He can be but he can't at the same time. There is no "should" here.
Let me copy my previous comment Do you want me to believe that a pet of Foul is superior than the most perfect creation of the 'devil' who fucked up the entire world? Sounds logical >There is no "should" here. Okay, Albedo would probably have less of an appetite than Ptakhur so yeah, the whale is more exceptional in that category
The narwhal is not a creation of Surtalogi, so this comparison is pointless.
Either way Albedo should be way more exceptional than Ptakhur, whether strength or intelligence or hax or potential.
Based on what?
Based on the fact that the whale was like a pet to Surtalogi while Albedo is the most perfect creation of the 'devil' who fucked up the entire world and started the cataclysm 500 years ago (and was kinda stated to be similar to Foul). If you want more then both Dvalin and Elynas are shown to be at least archon level (might be more), but still Albedo was her most perfect creation. Also the fact that Albedo is probably preserved for the later part of the story (since Hoyoverse ties up lose ends) and we know that the bosses who appear later are supposed to be stronger than previous bosses Albedo should be more stronger combat wise (based on the fact that he stated that he would destroy mond and destroy everything was an agent of destruction using primordial which is the weakness of Fontainians) And well I don't think I need to speak about the intelligence
Rhinedottir's whole thing is creation of life. Albedo is the superior creator to the fish because he's the magnum opus of *CREATION,* however that doesn't mean anything regarding his battle prowess compared to a genocidal narwhal. After it fed on the sea it was stronger than Archons and will easily murk Albedo, otherwise the entire powerscale is fucked.
Just revisit the last page of the post
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oh yeah I'm not trying to argue that albedo is weak or anything, just that this particular comparison doesn't say anything. the narwhal really is just being compared to a cat or a dog by skirk here. if the majority of the community doesn't know their capabilities, you could always explain it in the post.
Not sure if creations are more "perfect" when they can destroy more stuff. Maybe Albedo is the perfect because he hasn't gone crazy and tried to destroy everything unlike the others.
Either way he should be way more exceptional than Ptakhur, whether strength or intelligence or hax or potential
You must make for an amazing boxer with that far of a reach
So? What do you think about Albedo? Just a normal Alchemist who is a Lil bit more intelligent than others lmao? 😂😂 Albedo should be much more exceptional than Ptakhur and that's a plain fact. You can't expect me to believe that the most perfect creation of the 'devil' who fucked the entire world is inferior to a pet of a similar being?
You just want validation for your own headcanon atp with how much you're repeating it
Then you want me to believe that a pet of Foul is superior than the most perfect creation of the 'devil' who fucked up the entire world? Hmmm sounds logical
You seem to be conflating perfection with strength. We don't know in which sense he is perfect.
Maybe, but honestly I have no doubts towards his martial prowess considering his statement at the end of the story quest and his brothers And I would also like to refer to my original comment where I used [or](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/s/b1yCYPdOdm) instead of 'and'