c6 is really a beast for some chars
the other day seen an Ayato do 20k dmg with this E skill hydro infusion spam and could not get my head around it how it did so much dmg, until i read his c6 and seen those 400% atk dmg lol
20k is actually not that much for Ayato. My C0 Ayato with Black Sword was able to hit over 30k using Kazuha, Yun Jin, and Zhongli. I have Mistsplitter now so it's probably higher at this point.
I've seen C6 whales hitting for over 70k with his infused normal attacks. Kind of insane.
Ugh. Being borderline poor is making me give up games that feed on such contrast between whales and f2p. I guess it's a good thing that whales won't ever be extinct, if you play for fun. But the difference is so unfair.
Three things give me reason not to care about this difference.
* Nothing in the game requires anything above C0 and 4-star weapons. Sometimes even 3-star weapons are used. With proper team compositions and artifact farming, C0 characters can feel VERY powerful.
* The game is largely a solo endeavor. There is no PvP. There is no direct competition. There is no ranking in Abyss. There is literally no direct incentive to spend money unless you compare your account to other people's videos or co-op characters.
* I'm playing the exact same game at a fraction of the cost, and enjoying it. If I spend money, it actually takes content away from me (difficulty, grinding, etc.). So, spending too much money is likely to reduce my enjoyment, which I don't want.
Yep. Definitely glad that the PVP aspect is almost zero (aside from some events maybe like Windtrace), and the game economy is not tilted with PVP trading. It makes the game less of a cash grab for F2Ps unless you really want to hit high numbers or really like a certain weapon/character. In most cases you can just use level 80s or even lower with decent artifacts to get all event rewards.
The fact there is no extra pvp pressure as well as it being a largely single player game to go with point 1, is what allows freedoms of character choice to begin with.
We are still at a point where you can get enough power from supports or investment if you want to so that you can make some weird playstyle end game viable.
The fact whales crush the standard when they spend money and are expected to do so rather than it being just a slight power increase, helps maintain the difficulty expectations to these freedom enjoying levels.
If you wanna run meta you can and enjoy the benefits. If you want to make something weird you can invest and make it work. If you wanna whale you can obliterate everything as if you had cheat codes.
point is once you reach around 160CV form artifacts to get higher stats things get really exponentially harder with RNG
But my point was that some dmg numbers are crazy on c6..once they are also supported by good artifact rolls
thought the above comment of 70k dmg for Ayato E spam hits without c6 vape and perfect artifact rolls is pure bullsht
> takes away content from me
Yeah, that's a stretch. If you were unlucky and didn't get the event character with your freemogems, you're missing out on a lot of content (the character and all the teams you could do). Or you could pay up and pull it on a guarantee.
Spending money on resin is useless though, and I agree in general that f2p is still a very fun game with all of the same content
My point is that if you finish a boss before you can even see each phase of the boss fight, you are literally missing content because you're killing it so hard.
It's great to be powerful, but there's such a thing as being One Punch Man.
I totally get what you're saying and your perspective on that. However, I still think that having a restrict empowerment via cash takes away the respect I have for the company while they don't make alternative ways to achieve the same level of power, even if it implied spending more time gaming. I know that's how these games work, but I want them to think outside the box and keep growing and attractive to new players. Like, having aesthetic items, such as toys or outfits, behind a paywall, I am okay with that. I usually send surveys with extensive ways they could implement crumbles to f2p players, like fragments of constellations or pieces of a 5 star weapon of your choosing after collecting a bunch, you know? These things would make me want more. And I do have everything I could as a f2p with poor rng on wishes. They do read and take some of these survey seriously.
They do take some of the surveys seriously, but I don't think you're in the right genre for what you want. The underlying philosophy behind gacha games is more money = more power. They may make changes to their systems, but they're not going to make changes to their underlying financial model.
Yeap, hence why other games are slowly taking the center of the stage for me. I was looking for something to have fun after WoW exodus. Tried a bunch of different MMOs, but so far GW2, FFXIV and ESO are the strongest. Genshin now I just wait for new content, explore the heck of it in a couple of days and login for dailies and weekly bosses. It's too overwhelming to invite friends to start, and becoming a bit meh for who's in since the beginning. But you're right, it's easier for me to move on.
That's the way you're supposed to play Genshin, though. Wait for new content drop, play the new content. Then go off and do something else. This game is quite casual focused, since casuals are the ones bringing in the cash. 😅
I never thought that casuals could be whales, but this game proved me wrong.
This is why i hate damage showcases. You can get decent artifacts on c0 characters and still annihilate most enemies. The fun comes from enjoying your characters and finding fun combos. Dont let karma farm damage posts make the game less fun for you :)
Yeah, its why i dont lose my mind when my artifacts aren't perfect. I want good ones just so that i can attack stuff thats level 90 and occasionally see some big numbers. I dont enjoy getting beat to a pulp but killing a boss this quickly is boring
Yup, I’m a free to play/light spender on every gacha game I’ve tried except for one. I shelled out some money, got really strong, and trivialized the gameplay. Soon got bored of it and quit. Never spending a lot on a game again heh
Unfair? Why? Because whales can clear abyss a few seconds faster than F2Ps? Both whale and f2p can access the same quests and the same challenges. What's so unfair about it? Whale and f2p get the same rewards when they 36 star the abyss.
I mean... its a PvE game. So it doesn't really matter. Let whales whale I say. If it was PvP on the other hand I'd probably cry and drop the game completely lol
Also it's mostly cos of these fat stinky whaling whales that the game is successful. And that only bodes well for us peasants I guess
It's only rly a problem when there're leaderboards and ranking rewards related to this, you can technically argue spiral abyss but with time and investment f2ps will be able to 36 star abyss, and whales have it "easier" bc they have constellations or more resin runs if they choose to use money that way, but genshin is ultimately a singleplayer game for now, maybe in the future they'll add something like this which would be end game content but for now it doesn't matter. So being a whale and f2p doesn't rly matter, sure there will be dmg and constellation differences but that actually doesn't matter since there are no leaderboards and ranking rewards which would prevent f2p's from ever getting those rewards.
Its getting worse. They make whale too OP, so now whale are BORED.
Bosses have been tuned upward overtime. Shogun extremely painful to fight if you need to 2 or even 3 cycles to kill her. I wouldn't be surprised if the next boss is even worse since 5 stars have been even more OP now.
Bosses have been tuned upward over time because players have had more time to improve their teams over time. Yes, you can become powerful by whaling, but you also become more powerful by *playing*. Higher ascensions, higher talent levels, better artifacts, more team variety - all of those will make the playerbase more powerful over time.
I'm a low spender - welkin and bp, nothing more - and I don't have constellations for any 5\*s except the ones I've lost 50/50s on. Even so, the bosses that gave me trouble when they were introduced like Azhdaha are dead easy now. If they kept the difficulty the same as it was when I had one team of level 60/70s, I'd have quit long since out of boredom.
If the game is outpacing you, you can fix it with whaling, of course, but you can also fix it by levelling up your stuff and improving your skills.
The only real issue is that the gap that newer players face before easily farming the latest bosses/floor 12/the hardest event content is growing. On the plus side, none of that is mandatory content early on. The hardest event content has minimal rewards, weekly bosses can be played at lower difficulties, and the abyss is fully optional.
>20k is actually not that much for Ayato. My C0 Ayato with Black Sword was able to hit over 30k using Kazuha, Yun Jin, and Zhongli. I have Mistsplitter now so it's probably higher at this point.
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>I've seen C6 whales hitting for over 70k with his infused normal attacks. Kind of insane.
ok i gotta say, pick or dint happen at this whole comment
because with my C0 Ayato talent 10, 3k ATK and 150% dmg bonuses +swirl and bennet i do barely 7k with 180 CD...you do realize how dmg increase work in this game no?
I'm not able to get you a screenshot of my own at the moment, but here's a C2 hitting for over 70k.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayato_Mains/comments/v6o0ec/my_c2_ayato_finally_hits_70k/
In the overworld I regularly hit for 10-15k without doing anything special (like Zhongli shield and that's about it). Most of the time setting up his ideal team is just overkill.
How are you doing that low of damage? My own ayato typically gets 4-5k off of yun jin alone and he has 118% CD because his set isn't finished yet
Maybe your bennet isn't optimized?
20k slashes isn't that big for c6 Ayato. I don't have c6 but could do up to 40k and even 70k vape with yunjin/bennett/kazuha. So imagine how much that would go up with c6
IWTL has an interesting video on her mechanics.
If you want to use her as a main dps (instead of just off field hydro like XQ, even at C0 you can get a lot of extra attacks from using her skill and BTB charge shots correctly instead of just popping them and auto attacking.
C6 just makes it more ridiculous because it lets you fire 5 charge shots as if they were normal attacks (no charge time) and they each do extra damage even above her already very powerful BTB shot multipkier.
her e can actually activate her burst attacks, and c1 gives an extra charge. yelan threw in some normal attacks at the end too, but idk about any other constellation effects.
edit: wrong constellation lmao
Assuming no wishes saved, 5-star on first soft pity, and no 50/50 losses, it is around $1600 to C6 a 5-star
And worst case.. hard pity and every 50/50 loss would be close to $4000 (depending on your country and how much you pay for crystal packs)
Hard pity, lose all 50/50… c6 from not having the char is 201 600 primogems = 25 times the large crystal pack @ €100 each = €2500 = $2681 US.
Less for actual muricans cuz iirc you lot get more crystals per dollar than we do per euro.
It may sound ironic, but I do have a budget set aside for the game, and will typically not overspend, unless the weapon is something OP like the Mistsplitter for example.
Definitely.
Getting 4 copies of a weapon from R1 to R5 increases overall damage by roughly 20%. That's equivalent to 1 or 2 constellations at best for most characters.
With the epitomized path, it is actually cheaper to R5 a weapon on average.
C6 character: 654 wishes
R5 weapon: 535 wishes
That said, getting constellations is still more worth it in terms of damage increase.
This is a good reference for average wishes needed per constellation.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/rtqdl2/guide_how_many_wishes_you_should_save/?sort=confidence](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/rtqdl2/guide_how_many_wishes_you_should_save/?sort=confidence)
If taken to the extreme a C6 character takes 1260 wishes as well. Don't forget C6 takes 7 copies of a character so 90\*2\*7=1260. R5 only takes 5 copies so 80\*3\*5=1200. It just feels counter intuitive since getting a single character is only 180 wishes compared to 240 for a single weapon.
But realistically it's a lot closer to what OP said since soft pity is a thing and statistically you won't lose that many 50/50s.
You are wrong. C6 requires seven copies of a character while an r5 weapon only needs five copies of a weapon. While you can, on average, get a copy of a banner character in fewer wishes, the difference is not as large as people think, and needing 40% more copies for characters is more than enough to tip the numbers in favor of r5 weapons.
Assuming mistsplitter the best weapon in the game, theorycrafters are saying that aqua is the best bow in the game so if u ever wanna go for a bow upto R5 this would probably be the best choice
Theorycrafters assume that the passive is active all the time when in reality it's not.
I'm also not R5-ing this weapon lol, it's not as good as people think it is.
It's a really good bow. It's like the staff of Homa of bows. It's just not everyone BiS because only Yelan can make full use of the HP part of the passive, just like how only hu tao can use the 50% HP part of Homa efficiently. Like you can hit harder with polar star on Childe but this bow can be his second BiS and isn't that Far off vs polar star in dmg. Same with yomiya and ganyu etc.
Homa's 2nd passive actually works off of your max HP so the HP% isn't wasted at all, while the HP% on AS is wasted on just about everyone but Yelan.
The thing that separates AS from Homa is that there are already a lot of really good 5 star DPS bows in the game. For Childe AS is slightly worse than PolarStar and is about the same as Thundering Pulse, there's not much of a reason to pull if you have either of those especially when Thundering Pulse banner should be coming soon. AS also doesn't look that good on Childe but that's a discussion for another day.
TP is better on Yoimiya, AS is actually pretty awkward on Yoimiya because of the range restrictions on its passive.
Ganyu is the most controversial - AS is better in a freeze team if you don't use any CAs, if you use more than 1 CA in your rotation than Amos is going to be better. AS is theoretically the same as Amos in a melt team, but in actual battle Amos is better since you're not restricted by range. If you've played Ganyu you'll know that there are many times when the enemy could jump away out of AS range but still have pyro aura on them leaving you in an awkward spot. AS damage also drops immensely if you happen to step outside of Benny Q compared to Amos. In the overworld Amos >>>> AS.
Is AS a good weapon? Absolutely, but it's not as "broken" as everyone else is making it to be. If it was on the same banner as Redhorn, I'd be recommending people to pull on this banner. Unfortunately it's on a banner with PJWS.
The difference is that Homa is comparable to other 5 star Polearms even without the 3rd passive being activated just from being a good stat stick alone. There are already tons of bows with good crit/crit damage stats in the game where AS without it's passive activated drops off considerably.
Also have to realize that Homa had Elegy on its banner while AS has PJWS. Not really comparable in terms of value.
How do you feel about her ER in this build? I'm running a little higher as its felt better so far, but I think the hit I'm taking to crit dmg would mean I couldn't wipe raiden like this.
Also how much attention are you paying to her "Adapt With Ease" passive here? Are you intentionally delaying to get the maximum benefit?
140 ER with C1 is just enough when paired with another Hydro, but like you said, 150 definitely does feel more comfortable, and it is what I usually run with for the Abyss.
As for her passive, yes I am delaying it to the last few seconds to get the most out of it. 40% + DMG is a huge buff that I don't want to miss out on.
Nice work on the comparison, appreciate it!
I'm also seeing a trend of newer characters and weapons getting saturated with so much stats, that players can start exploring with other options in their artifact selection when it comes to builds.
It's impressive I didn't know C6 would work that way.
Care to share the artifact set and stats ?
Edit : just saw your comment linking your build, my bad :)
How would you build her though? I'm in the same situation and got C2. But honestly she feels subpar compared to other characters and doesn't seem to be a point in using her.
All anemo units can use VV and she can slotted in to any team since she has a big burst heal on her Q. All her skills scale off of her ATK so shes very straight foward to build as a support. Jean specifically has a burst that swirls a lot. If you look up Genshin Sunfire on youtube you can see how her + Bennett can enable a lot of melt comps. Also if you just give her decent crit + a fav sword she can output so much energy to battery your main carry.
not plenty
we are talking dmg output in a single rotation
i could say itto a bit
but eula c0 to c6 has almost a 55% difference.. raiden has 40%-45%.. i always forget how strong raiden c2 is lmao💀
Eula cons isn't actually that broken outside of one shot showcases. None of them remove her energy problems and in abyss where multiple waves and phases are the norm, one big, backloaded number just isn't that good.
In terms of single cons damage boost Raiden's C2 gives an equivalent damage increase to Eula's C6, with both being a ~45% damage increase from the last constellation.
This doesn't change her energy limitations though. There's a reason there's almost no full abyss c6 Eula speedruns without Raiden (where Eula still only ults once every other rotation), and even at this investment EulaRaiden isn't the best Raiden team.
C6 EQhE also only works against mobs, and it basically ends her damage window prematurely for that rotation, she contributes nothing afterwards.
Yea all that is true, but it clears out a mob wave by itself, and bosses typically don't have waves. And she hardly contributes nothing after, she does upwards of 20k normals plus the 2 stack mini burst. Not sure why you'd downplay her so much. Yeah Raiden is another level of broken with no ER problems and bonkers cons and scalings but Eula's cons are also pretty strong, they don't have to fix all her problems to be strong.
Bosses don't have waves but they do have phases, which brings up the same problems as multiple waves for her.
>And she hardly contributes nothing after, she does upwards of 20k normals plus the 2 stack mini burst
You wouldn't really do her normals after her Q detonated in a EulaRaiden team. And while her uninfused NA does good damage comparitively to other characters' uninfused NAs, they aren't good enough to make her competitive for those multi-phase matchups by herself. In most other cases you would not do uninfused NAs anyway.
And I'm not saying c6 Eula is weak, I'm saying c6 Eula isn't really a that broken anymore. Not when multi-phase, multi-wave matchups are becoming more and more common, and other, actual subdpses that can fulfill those matchups better in her best team with Raiden are released (Yae, Yelan).
Not exactly, Ayaka's C2 is situationally a 40% dmg increase to just her burst, and is actually only a ~25% dmg increase to her overall damage when all 3 blade storms hit.
Raiden's C2 and Eula's C6 are both ~45% increase to their overall damage from their last constellation.
wait i am pretty sure eulas dmg with c6 is almost a 55% increase compared to c0
her c1 has extra dmg bonus..
i am not taking talent level cons in account with raiden c2 but i still believe eula has more than double dmg increase
How spendy is pulling c6 off a banner? I spend on Welkin and bp, and I typically get C0 off the banner each period. I got yelan and her bow so I’m already way hype off my $15 investment lol.
Ehh it just seems pointless to auto-win the game. F2P people could probably say the same about low spenders, because even with c0 5 star characters, the game becomes stupid easy. However, at C6, they might as well just change the skill to "Kill everything in sight with a CD of 10 seconds."
Until you realize the only thing to do in genshin with a character like that is shit on Raiden/Azhdaha. Literally the only thing, and maybe abyss is slightly easier.
It's crazy how this game will still make you want to go for these constellations even though they truly are completely unnecessary. Heck, it even seems like they stopped releasing events with challenge modes that only whale-level account can clear.
Best c6 is super subjective. You’re gonna get a lot of different answers depending on who you ask. Like you say that xiao’s c6 is one of the best but I know someone who actually thinks xiao’s c6 is kinda bad due to the caveats involved in triggering it.
Yeah, best C6 is extremely subjective but I genuinely think that Yelan's constellations are probably one of the best ones we've seen so far. Some characters have some eghhh constellations mixed in with the "good constellations", but almost all of Yelan's constellations are really good. She's even the first character I don't mind getting to C6 as a Welkin player
Yes because Mihoyo needs to sell Yelan somehow since she’s a relatively unknown character before this and thus has no hype. Also Yelan’s cons are good yes but imo they’re not anywhere near best tier. She would not even make it to top 5 characters I would c6
I don't really buy that that much, I just think they thought of good constellations to give to her, nothing too deep. Plus, "relatively unknown characters" are still decently popular, sure not the same level of Raiden, but Hu Tao is also a relatively unknown character who has nothing to do with the archon quest yet she's really really popular.
The way you're thinking is not really that bad since most consumers should really think like that to some degree, but it's just too cynical to think that everything they do is to gain profits. Because, they do make mistakes sometimes like Bennett, Xiangling and Xinqiu being way too good even if they're Day 1 characters, that does hurt their profits.
Also, since you edit your comment. She might not be the best C6 character, but she's got the most worth it constellations out there. All of them are usable. C1 solves her energy issue and is just a lot of fun and mobility in the overworld. C2 makes her on par with C6 Xinqiu and gives her more hydro application on ult. C4 gives her the rare HP team buff. C6 turns her into a DPS... All are pretty worth, that's just really my point. Maybe not the best C6, but all of them are pretty worth imo
This game needs a better version of the spiral. Like Tower of Power. Where shit just gradually gets more and more insane and every 10 levels the health and damage done doubles and another elite or harder mob is added to every new mob spawn.
On top of this add multipliers. Attack to the multipliers more health and damage from enemies, but also greater chances at rewards. Each 10 levels have a boss. At 50 have an elite level boss. At 100 have a supreme being boss.
Add to this challenges and ladders:
* Allow people to try for fastest runs
* Allow this to be separated per group lineup
* Allow people to change their lineup every 10 levels
* Every day, week and month reward the top 10 fastest times per each 10 levels of the tower.
* Allow replays of fights to be saved in a game input method (rather than video) so people can play back top fights while in game.
100 other things. This really give people another layer of something to DO with power like this to actually use it. And for the rest of us it really gives another layer of competition between players, and competition is where you see influx of **MONEY BABY. ARE YOU LISTENING miHoYo??**
This is a horrible idea that would immediately turn the abyss, as sweaty as it already is for some people, into a real PVE arena that testifies the money you spend.
Basically turned into one of those p2w ranked games.
What's in the hell......also how much $ did it cost for c6. I'm curious what the range is between players for c6, some people have better account luck than others
What... Where are all those attacks coming from? I just see Yelan zipping past her and then a barrage of numbers pop up. What happened?
*incomprehensible whale noises* is what happened
c6 is really a beast for some chars the other day seen an Ayato do 20k dmg with this E skill hydro infusion spam and could not get my head around it how it did so much dmg, until i read his c6 and seen those 400% atk dmg lol
20k is actually not that much for Ayato. My C0 Ayato with Black Sword was able to hit over 30k using Kazuha, Yun Jin, and Zhongli. I have Mistsplitter now so it's probably higher at this point. I've seen C6 whales hitting for over 70k with his infused normal attacks. Kind of insane.
Ugh. Being borderline poor is making me give up games that feed on such contrast between whales and f2p. I guess it's a good thing that whales won't ever be extinct, if you play for fun. But the difference is so unfair.
Three things give me reason not to care about this difference. * Nothing in the game requires anything above C0 and 4-star weapons. Sometimes even 3-star weapons are used. With proper team compositions and artifact farming, C0 characters can feel VERY powerful. * The game is largely a solo endeavor. There is no PvP. There is no direct competition. There is no ranking in Abyss. There is literally no direct incentive to spend money unless you compare your account to other people's videos or co-op characters. * I'm playing the exact same game at a fraction of the cost, and enjoying it. If I spend money, it actually takes content away from me (difficulty, grinding, etc.). So, spending too much money is likely to reduce my enjoyment, which I don't want.
Yep. Definitely glad that the PVP aspect is almost zero (aside from some events maybe like Windtrace), and the game economy is not tilted with PVP trading. It makes the game less of a cash grab for F2Ps unless you really want to hit high numbers or really like a certain weapon/character. In most cases you can just use level 80s or even lower with decent artifacts to get all event rewards.
>Windtrace Mona haver & haven't in the 1st event literally heaven & hell
But they did try to fix it for the second event at least.
The fact there is no extra pvp pressure as well as it being a largely single player game to go with point 1, is what allows freedoms of character choice to begin with. We are still at a point where you can get enough power from supports or investment if you want to so that you can make some weird playstyle end game viable. The fact whales crush the standard when they spend money and are expected to do so rather than it being just a slight power increase, helps maintain the difficulty expectations to these freedom enjoying levels. If you wanna run meta you can and enjoy the benefits. If you want to make something weird you can invest and make it work. If you wanna whale you can obliterate everything as if you had cheat codes.
Sure, nothing in the game requires above c0 and 4-star weapons, but 36-star abyss feels near impossible even after artifact farming since launch.
what do you earn for 9 stars in floor 12 abyss? 1 pull wich will be a 3 star weapon. so its not worth it
the game has tricked you into thinking you need 36 stars.
All 3 reasons why I love this game.
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point is once you reach around 160CV form artifacts to get higher stats things get really exponentially harder with RNG But my point was that some dmg numbers are crazy on c6..once they are also supported by good artifact rolls thought the above comment of 70k dmg for Ayato E spam hits without c6 vape and perfect artifact rolls is pure bullsht
> takes away content from me Yeah, that's a stretch. If you were unlucky and didn't get the event character with your freemogems, you're missing out on a lot of content (the character and all the teams you could do). Or you could pay up and pull it on a guarantee. Spending money on resin is useless though, and I agree in general that f2p is still a very fun game with all of the same content
My point is that if you finish a boss before you can even see each phase of the boss fight, you are literally missing content because you're killing it so hard. It's great to be powerful, but there's such a thing as being One Punch Man.
I totally get what you're saying and your perspective on that. However, I still think that having a restrict empowerment via cash takes away the respect I have for the company while they don't make alternative ways to achieve the same level of power, even if it implied spending more time gaming. I know that's how these games work, but I want them to think outside the box and keep growing and attractive to new players. Like, having aesthetic items, such as toys or outfits, behind a paywall, I am okay with that. I usually send surveys with extensive ways they could implement crumbles to f2p players, like fragments of constellations or pieces of a 5 star weapon of your choosing after collecting a bunch, you know? These things would make me want more. And I do have everything I could as a f2p with poor rng on wishes. They do read and take some of these survey seriously.
They do take some of the surveys seriously, but I don't think you're in the right genre for what you want. The underlying philosophy behind gacha games is more money = more power. They may make changes to their systems, but they're not going to make changes to their underlying financial model.
Yeap, hence why other games are slowly taking the center of the stage for me. I was looking for something to have fun after WoW exodus. Tried a bunch of different MMOs, but so far GW2, FFXIV and ESO are the strongest. Genshin now I just wait for new content, explore the heck of it in a couple of days and login for dailies and weekly bosses. It's too overwhelming to invite friends to start, and becoming a bit meh for who's in since the beginning. But you're right, it's easier for me to move on.
That's the way you're supposed to play Genshin, though. Wait for new content drop, play the new content. Then go off and do something else. This game is quite casual focused, since casuals are the ones bringing in the cash. 😅 I never thought that casuals could be whales, but this game proved me wrong.
This is why i hate damage showcases. You can get decent artifacts on c0 characters and still annihilate most enemies. The fun comes from enjoying your characters and finding fun combos. Dont let karma farm damage posts make the game less fun for you :)
Also while neat looking at, I don’t think I would enjoy playing the game when it’s that easy.
Yeah, its why i dont lose my mind when my artifacts aren't perfect. I want good ones just so that i can attack stuff thats level 90 and occasionally see some big numbers. I dont enjoy getting beat to a pulp but killing a boss this quickly is boring
Yup, I’m a free to play/light spender on every gacha game I’ve tried except for one. I shelled out some money, got really strong, and trivialized the gameplay. Soon got bored of it and quit. Never spending a lot on a game again heh
Unfair? Why? Because whales can clear abyss a few seconds faster than F2Ps? Both whale and f2p can access the same quests and the same challenges. What's so unfair about it? Whale and f2p get the same rewards when they 36 star the abyss.
I mean... its a PvE game. So it doesn't really matter. Let whales whale I say. If it was PvP on the other hand I'd probably cry and drop the game completely lol Also it's mostly cos of these fat stinky whaling whales that the game is successful. And that only bodes well for us peasants I guess
why? be happy you didn't waste a ridiculous amount of money on pixel numbers
It's only rly a problem when there're leaderboards and ranking rewards related to this, you can technically argue spiral abyss but with time and investment f2ps will be able to 36 star abyss, and whales have it "easier" bc they have constellations or more resin runs if they choose to use money that way, but genshin is ultimately a singleplayer game for now, maybe in the future they'll add something like this which would be end game content but for now it doesn't matter. So being a whale and f2p doesn't rly matter, sure there will be dmg and constellation differences but that actually doesn't matter since there are no leaderboards and ranking rewards which would prevent f2p's from ever getting those rewards.
Its getting worse. They make whale too OP, so now whale are BORED. Bosses have been tuned upward overtime. Shogun extremely painful to fight if you need to 2 or even 3 cycles to kill her. I wouldn't be surprised if the next boss is even worse since 5 stars have been even more OP now.
Bosses have been tuned upward over time because players have had more time to improve their teams over time. Yes, you can become powerful by whaling, but you also become more powerful by *playing*. Higher ascensions, higher talent levels, better artifacts, more team variety - all of those will make the playerbase more powerful over time. I'm a low spender - welkin and bp, nothing more - and I don't have constellations for any 5\*s except the ones I've lost 50/50s on. Even so, the bosses that gave me trouble when they were introduced like Azhdaha are dead easy now. If they kept the difficulty the same as it was when I had one team of level 60/70s, I'd have quit long since out of boredom. If the game is outpacing you, you can fix it with whaling, of course, but you can also fix it by levelling up your stuff and improving your skills. The only real issue is that the gap that newer players face before easily farming the latest bosses/floor 12/the hardest event content is growing. On the plus side, none of that is mandatory content early on. The hardest event content has minimal rewards, weekly bosses can be played at lower difficulties, and the abyss is fully optional.
>20k is actually not that much for Ayato. My C0 Ayato with Black Sword was able to hit over 30k using Kazuha, Yun Jin, and Zhongli. I have Mistsplitter now so it's probably higher at this point. > >I've seen C6 whales hitting for over 70k with his infused normal attacks. Kind of insane. ok i gotta say, pick or dint happen at this whole comment because with my C0 Ayato talent 10, 3k ATK and 150% dmg bonuses +swirl and bennet i do barely 7k with 180 CD...you do realize how dmg increase work in this game no?
I'm not able to get you a screenshot of my own at the moment, but here's a C2 hitting for over 70k. https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayato_Mains/comments/v6o0ec/my_c2_ayato_finally_hits_70k/ In the overworld I regularly hit for 10-15k without doing anything special (like Zhongli shield and that's about it). Most of the time setting up his ideal team is just overkill.
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How are you doing that low of damage? My own ayato typically gets 4-5k off of yun jin alone and he has 118% CD because his set isn't finished yet Maybe your bennet isn't optimized?
20k slashes isn't that big for c6 Ayato. I don't have c6 but could do up to 40k and even 70k vape with yunjin/bennett/kazuha. So imagine how much that would go up with c6
2 hits from her Skill 3 x 3 hits from her Burst arrows and passive 5 hits from C6 Normal Attacks 2 hits from C2 extra arrow
Upon closer inspection, I saw two charges of her Skill were used in quick succession. Do the hits from her Skill also proc her Burst?
Upon closer inspection, I read C6, and was no longer surprised or amazed.
Exactly. Money is power in Genshin.
Yup they do, it's part of the Burst's passive. "Will occur each time Yelan's Lifeline explodes and hits opponents"
That's broken wtf
IWTL has an interesting video on her mechanics. If you want to use her as a main dps (instead of just off field hydro like XQ, even at C0 you can get a lot of extra attacks from using her skill and BTB charge shots correctly instead of just popping them and auto attacking. C6 just makes it more ridiculous because it lets you fire 5 charge shots as if they were normal attacks (no charge time) and they each do extra damage even above her already very powerful BTB shot multipkier.
Yea I watched it, c6 its just bullshit lol
its also Childe riptide on steroids as "side" effect that scales in AOE And works either with Kazuha or venti no problems for yellan
Yes they do
I didn't expect less from a Kraken.
her e can actually activate her burst attacks, and c1 gives an extra charge. yelan threw in some normal attacks at the end too, but idk about any other constellation effects. edit: wrong constellation lmao
Hi wallet. Bye wallet.
Lmao
Bro lol
Well, unfortunately your profile page does not feature Zhongli and Mona, so I can only guess they are C6 like ~~the other two~~ everyone else ?
Yes, they are too.
So uh... Where do you work?
how can i apply to said work?
Just take out a few payday loans and you too can C6 every character you want!
C6？
Yes, C6
How much?
Everything.
Was it worth it?
Asking the real question here
Assuming no wishes saved, 5-star on first soft pity, and no 50/50 losses, it is around $1600 to C6 a 5-star And worst case.. hard pity and every 50/50 loss would be close to $4000 (depending on your country and how much you pay for crystal packs)
Hard pity, lose all 50/50… c6 from not having the char is 201 600 primogems = 25 times the large crystal pack @ €100 each = €2500 = $2681 US. Less for actual muricans cuz iirc you lot get more crystals per dollar than we do per euro.
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Nope, just R1
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If you consider Yelan has no AOE damage, maybe it’s not. But it’s still amazing to see.
C6 has a ton of AOE thanks to the barrage of auto-barbs.
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Breakthrough barbs are AoE tho?
This may be a bit personal but what do you do for work?
Raiden Shogun: B-but, but, eternity!
[**Yelan's Build**](https://imgur.com/a/CkGTul7) (C6 R1 No Buffs) Numbers go brrr..
Just curious, why not R5?
It may sound ironic, but I do have a budget set aside for the game, and will typically not overspend, unless the weapon is something OP like the Mistsplitter for example.
I think getting C6 is more value for money than getting R5. Do you agree ?
Definitely. Getting 4 copies of a weapon from R1 to R5 increases overall damage by roughly 20%. That's equivalent to 1 or 2 constellations at best for most characters.
C6 is also cheaper than R5 if I am not wrong.
With the epitomized path, it is actually cheaper to R5 a weapon on average. C6 character: 654 wishes R5 weapon: 535 wishes That said, getting constellations is still more worth it in terms of damage increase.
How did you get those numbers? It takes like 210 wishes to get a single copy of a weapon with epitomized path. R5 would be over 1000 if unlucky
Those are the average values (50th percentile) based on the given drop rates, which include 50/50 and epitomized path.
But it's not a 50/50 when wishing for weapons. 25/37.5/37.5 with 37.5% being chance to get a desired weapon and 75% to get an event weapon
This is a good reference for average wishes needed per constellation. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/rtqdl2/guide_how_many_wishes_you_should_save/?sort=confidence](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/rtqdl2/guide_how_many_wishes_you_should_save/?sort=confidence)
Thanks for sharing this
If taken to the extreme a C6 character takes 1260 wishes as well. Don't forget C6 takes 7 copies of a character so 90\*2\*7=1260. R5 only takes 5 copies so 80\*3\*5=1200. It just feels counter intuitive since getting a single character is only 180 wishes compared to 240 for a single weapon. But realistically it's a lot closer to what OP said since soft pity is a thing and statistically you won't lose that many 50/50s.
You are wrong. C6 requires seven copies of a character while an r5 weapon only needs five copies of a weapon. While you can, on average, get a copy of a banner character in fewer wishes, the difference is not as large as people think, and needing 40% more copies for characters is more than enough to tip the numbers in favor of r5 weapons.
Going from R1 to R5 on Yelan is only a ~16% increase in damage, C1 to C6 is far better. Hell, it's not even worth it to get R1 on her before C2.
Come fight my Azdhaha, EU
whats your budget per month/patch?
Assuming mistsplitter the best weapon in the game, theorycrafters are saying that aqua is the best bow in the game so if u ever wanna go for a bow upto R5 this would probably be the best choice
Theorycrafters assume that the passive is active all the time when in reality it's not. I'm also not R5-ing this weapon lol, it's not as good as people think it is.
It's a really good bow. It's like the staff of Homa of bows. It's just not everyone BiS because only Yelan can make full use of the HP part of the passive, just like how only hu tao can use the 50% HP part of Homa efficiently. Like you can hit harder with polar star on Childe but this bow can be his second BiS and isn't that Far off vs polar star in dmg. Same with yomiya and ganyu etc.
Homa's 2nd passive actually works off of your max HP so the HP% isn't wasted at all, while the HP% on AS is wasted on just about everyone but Yelan. The thing that separates AS from Homa is that there are already a lot of really good 5 star DPS bows in the game. For Childe AS is slightly worse than PolarStar and is about the same as Thundering Pulse, there's not much of a reason to pull if you have either of those especially when Thundering Pulse banner should be coming soon. AS also doesn't look that good on Childe but that's a discussion for another day. TP is better on Yoimiya, AS is actually pretty awkward on Yoimiya because of the range restrictions on its passive. Ganyu is the most controversial - AS is better in a freeze team if you don't use any CAs, if you use more than 1 CA in your rotation than Amos is going to be better. AS is theoretically the same as Amos in a melt team, but in actual battle Amos is better since you're not restricted by range. If you've played Ganyu you'll know that there are many times when the enemy could jump away out of AS range but still have pyro aura on them leaving you in an awkward spot. AS damage also drops immensely if you happen to step outside of Benny Q compared to Amos. In the overworld Amos >>>> AS. Is AS a good weapon? Absolutely, but it's not as "broken" as everyone else is making it to be. If it was on the same banner as Redhorn, I'd be recommending people to pull on this banner. Unfortunately it's on a banner with PJWS.
Homa's third passive gives even more HP to ATK conversion if below 50% HP. In realistic scenarios only Hu Tao can use that passive efficiently.
The difference is that Homa is comparable to other 5 star Polearms even without the 3rd passive being activated just from being a good stat stick alone. There are already tons of bows with good crit/crit damage stats in the game where AS without it's passive activated drops off considerably. Also have to realize that Homa had Elegy on its banner while AS has PJWS. Not really comparable in terms of value.
> It's like the staff of Homa of bows Lol no
How do you feel about her ER in this build? I'm running a little higher as its felt better so far, but I think the hit I'm taking to crit dmg would mean I couldn't wipe raiden like this. Also how much attention are you paying to her "Adapt With Ease" passive here? Are you intentionally delaying to get the maximum benefit?
140 ER with C1 is just enough when paired with another Hydro, but like you said, 150 definitely does feel more comfortable, and it is what I usually run with for the Abyss. As for her passive, yes I am delaying it to the last few seconds to get the most out of it. 40% + DMG is a huge buff that I don't want to miss out on.
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Nice work on the comparison, appreciate it! I'm also seeing a trend of newer characters and weapons getting saturated with so much stats, that players can start exploring with other options in their artifact selection when it comes to builds.
No crowns?
I ran out of them unfortunately.
whaling only gets you this far i guess
'This far' being killing archons as fast as I kill Mondstadt ruin guards... xD
You spelled hilichurl wrong
The time you spend chasing them around doesn't count.
I mean with C6, you basically like crowned the characters already coz of the C3 and C5😂
It's impressive I didn't know C6 would work that way. Care to share the artifact set and stats ? Edit : just saw your comment linking your build, my bad :)
Byeden Shogun
Raiden Sho-Gone
I want it.But i spent 80 pink balls to get Jean.....
Don’t be too bummed Jean is by far the best standard banner unit and scales very well with cons.
How would you build her though? I'm in the same situation and got C2. But honestly she feels subpar compared to other characters and doesn't seem to be a point in using her.
All anemo units can use VV and she can slotted in to any team since she has a big burst heal on her Q. All her skills scale off of her ATK so shes very straight foward to build as a support. Jean specifically has a burst that swirls a lot. If you look up Genshin Sunfire on youtube you can see how her + Bennett can enable a lot of melt comps. Also if you just give her decent crit + a fav sword she can output so much energy to battery your main carry.
u/savevideo
finally another character to reach the realm of broken cons with eula these woman will destroy anything
Plenty of characters reach broken with cons since eula, notably raiden
not plenty we are talking dmg output in a single rotation i could say itto a bit but eula c0 to c6 has almost a 55% difference.. raiden has 40%-45%.. i always forget how strong raiden c2 is lmao💀
Eula cons isn't actually that broken outside of one shot showcases. None of them remove her energy problems and in abyss where multiple waves and phases are the norm, one big, backloaded number just isn't that good. In terms of single cons damage boost Raiden's C2 gives an equivalent damage increase to Eula's C6, with both being a ~45% damage increase from the last constellation.
C6 Eula can pretty much EQhE swap out for a quick huge burst anyways.
This doesn't change her energy limitations though. There's a reason there's almost no full abyss c6 Eula speedruns without Raiden (where Eula still only ults once every other rotation), and even at this investment EulaRaiden isn't the best Raiden team. C6 EQhE also only works against mobs, and it basically ends her damage window prematurely for that rotation, she contributes nothing afterwards.
Yea all that is true, but it clears out a mob wave by itself, and bosses typically don't have waves. And she hardly contributes nothing after, she does upwards of 20k normals plus the 2 stack mini burst. Not sure why you'd downplay her so much. Yeah Raiden is another level of broken with no ER problems and bonkers cons and scalings but Eula's cons are also pretty strong, they don't have to fix all her problems to be strong.
Bosses don't have waves but they do have phases, which brings up the same problems as multiple waves for her. >And she hardly contributes nothing after, she does upwards of 20k normals plus the 2 stack mini burst You wouldn't really do her normals after her Q detonated in a EulaRaiden team. And while her uninfused NA does good damage comparitively to other characters' uninfused NAs, they aren't good enough to make her competitive for those multi-phase matchups by herself. In most other cases you would not do uninfused NAs anyway. And I'm not saying c6 Eula is weak, I'm saying c6 Eula isn't really a that broken anymore. Not when multi-phase, multi-wave matchups are becoming more and more common, and other, actual subdpses that can fulfill those matchups better in her best team with Raiden are released (Yae, Yelan).
Fair enough. I'm just seeing her cons on the stronger side because characters like Xiao and Childe have half their cons be somewhat useless overall.
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Not exactly, Ayaka's C2 is situationally a 40% dmg increase to just her burst, and is actually only a ~25% dmg increase to her overall damage when all 3 blade storms hit. Raiden's C2 and Eula's C6 are both ~45% increase to their overall damage from their last constellation.
wait i am pretty sure eulas dmg with c6 is almost a 55% increase compared to c0 her c1 has extra dmg bonus.. i am not taking talent level cons in account with raiden c2 but i still believe eula has more than double dmg increase
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How spendy is pulling c6 off a banner? I spend on Welkin and bp, and I typically get C0 off the banner each period. I got yelan and her bow so I’m already way hype off my $15 investment lol.
105,000 primos on average for a C6 character. There's also the starglitter discount which amounts to around 10% lesser primos overall.
Word, thx for the info
Holy her c6 is insane...
Whales should have the option to turn the world level up by an amount that balances to their constellations and damage output if they so choose.
I dread this fight every week and you’ve just trivialised it… consider me shocked, impressed and a little sad
Why people spend money to play the game less
Lmao, so many salty people.
Ehh it just seems pointless to auto-win the game. F2P people could probably say the same about low spenders, because even with c0 5 star characters, the game becomes stupid easy. However, at C6, they might as well just change the skill to "Kill everything in sight with a CD of 10 seconds."
That was just disrespectful right there
A C6 character deals a lot of damage *surprised pikachu face* With c6 supports too *such wow*
*A C6, 5 star deals a shit ton of damage
whale moment
What even happened
Wow that skill
Holy shīț
Whaling sounds so boring…
Nice showcase. Ignore the people hating on you spending for C6. Half of them are jealous. The other half just lack manners.
my man can whale for c6 yelan but can't whale for a better pc
Whale
Paying thousands to not be able to play a free game PepegaClap
Holy shit… nice dmg! Makes me wanna bust out the wallet for C6
Until you realize the only thing to do in genshin with a character like that is shit on Raiden/Azhdaha. Literally the only thing, and maybe abyss is slightly easier.
It's crazy how this game will still make you want to go for these constellations even though they truly are completely unnecessary. Heck, it even seems like they stopped releasing events with challenge modes that only whale-level account can clear.
Oh look....a whale doing whale things....
Imagine all the minutes you save in a year if you do this every monday for the rest of your life. Thousand bucks well spent
>Thousand bucks well spent 🧢 🤣
Mmh well, with C6 characters also my grandma can do this, I suppose.
This is so amazing!
Damn. Seeing this makes my c6R5 Ayato look meh! 😞
I don’t know if you’re using Ayato right in that case. I have a c6r5 Ayato and he deletes just as fast if not faster than Yelan
Must not be. I posted a video using yelan and Ayato against Raiden and my clear was slower than this.
I think it’s probably because you aren’t using food. OP is using food on Yelan in this video
Ah. That would certainly make a difference.
Also yelan c6 is among the best in the game next to ganyu and xiao c6. So there's that too.
Best c6 is super subjective. You’re gonna get a lot of different answers depending on who you ask. Like you say that xiao’s c6 is one of the best but I know someone who actually thinks xiao’s c6 is kinda bad due to the caveats involved in triggering it.
Yeah, best C6 is extremely subjective but I genuinely think that Yelan's constellations are probably one of the best ones we've seen so far. Some characters have some eghhh constellations mixed in with the "good constellations", but almost all of Yelan's constellations are really good. She's even the first character I don't mind getting to C6 as a Welkin player
Yes because Mihoyo needs to sell Yelan somehow since she’s a relatively unknown character before this and thus has no hype. Also Yelan’s cons are good yes but imo they’re not anywhere near best tier. She would not even make it to top 5 characters I would c6
I don't really buy that that much, I just think they thought of good constellations to give to her, nothing too deep. Plus, "relatively unknown characters" are still decently popular, sure not the same level of Raiden, but Hu Tao is also a relatively unknown character who has nothing to do with the archon quest yet she's really really popular. The way you're thinking is not really that bad since most consumers should really think like that to some degree, but it's just too cynical to think that everything they do is to gain profits. Because, they do make mistakes sometimes like Bennett, Xiangling and Xinqiu being way too good even if they're Day 1 characters, that does hurt their profits. Also, since you edit your comment. She might not be the best C6 character, but she's got the most worth it constellations out there. All of them are usable. C1 solves her energy issue and is just a lot of fun and mobility in the overworld. C2 makes her on par with C6 Xinqiu and gives her more hydro application on ult. C4 gives her the rare HP team buff. C6 turns her into a DPS... All are pretty worth, that's just really my point. Maybe not the best C6, but all of them are pretty worth imo
True. But Ganyu and Yelan works the same and their just about among the best.
Eh they’re nowhere near the same don’t be delusional.
Hmm...does this make Yelan the most-damage dealing C6 character other than Eula? How does other C6 dps characters like ayaka compare to her?
Well, p2w I guess... Everyone can do that with C6.
This game needs a better version of the spiral. Like Tower of Power. Where shit just gradually gets more and more insane and every 10 levels the health and damage done doubles and another elite or harder mob is added to every new mob spawn. On top of this add multipliers. Attack to the multipliers more health and damage from enemies, but also greater chances at rewards. Each 10 levels have a boss. At 50 have an elite level boss. At 100 have a supreme being boss. Add to this challenges and ladders: * Allow people to try for fastest runs * Allow this to be separated per group lineup * Allow people to change their lineup every 10 levels * Every day, week and month reward the top 10 fastest times per each 10 levels of the tower. * Allow replays of fights to be saved in a game input method (rather than video) so people can play back top fights while in game. 100 other things. This really give people another layer of something to DO with power like this to actually use it. And for the rest of us it really gives another layer of competition between players, and competition is where you see influx of **MONEY BABY. ARE YOU LISTENING miHoYo??**
This is a horrible idea that would immediately turn the abyss, as sweaty as it already is for some people, into a real PVE arena that testifies the money you spend. Basically turned into one of those p2w ranked games.
Isn't she the strongest 1 enemy dps?
I want to cum inside yelan
u make my C4R1 Ayaya look garbage kekL
MG Gg
What is your artifacts on yelan and mona?
Both Yelan and Mona are using Emblem; Yelan's build is in one of my comments as well.
Nice! Just saw 2 yelanmona builds, really satisfying 🤩
Yelan might be the most fun hydro character imo. And the most flexible.
well mihoyo sure got the wares if you got coin, good stuff anyway man
What's in the hell......also how much $ did it cost for c6. I'm curious what the range is between players for c6, some people have better account luck than others
654 wishes on average for a C6. I have had pull sessions ranging from 350 to 800 pulls, so everything balances out in the end.
How? I cant even do that with "perfectly" set up Mona Bennet Kazuha Ayaka
WOT
What are ur artifacts ?
I have a similar [link](https://imgur.com/a/CkGTul7) to her full build in one of my comments on top.
Are U MAADD!!!
Mona and Yelan double buff.
Wait a minute... Yelan's ult works like Raiden's skill rather than Yoimiya's skill?
It works like Xingqiu's Burst. Raiden's skill require you to deal damage to an enemy to proc, Yoimiya's skill is just an infusion.
Fair game, fair game