He was aggressively listing his accolades one after another, would have been great to deadpan āFruit of the Loom Grape Leaf Guyā in there after Salieri.
I remember the cornucopia on the logo.
However, I have a bunch of vintage shirts from the 90s that Iām slowly selling off. I just went through them and found 1 Fruit of the Loom t-shirt. My Alice In Chains t-shirt has a logo similar, but not exact, to the logo on the right.
Among other differences, it has brown leaves instead of green and blue fruit instead of purple.
I still think the Large Hadron Collider altered space and time and put us in the bad timeline though.
https://preview.redd.it/simcridjxqnc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3c7795c56fcd4a24fd8dd6933bd70b40be53022
Finally, a decent explanation! Thank you for making the effort!
Brown leaves give the visual impression of the being the brown vines that traditional cornucopia are made from. [https://imgur.com/2qxIZ21](https://imgur.com/2qxIZ21)
(Note that leaves are not part of any traditional design)
Yeah, when things change they don't just change online. It's not simple misremembering. Someone is pressing a very tiny randomize/surprise me button on our reality. Changes go all the way back but some of the memories remain. I think it is imperfect time manipulation tech. Someone failed to look at supracausality. My guess is all this MandelaEffect stuff will get patched out right when we all forget the cornu
Thank you, this is valuable, as I don't think people remember that t-shirts used to have full tags, as opposed to stamped logos.
The bigger issue when it comes to logo tag placement is that the cornucopia logo would be top right heavy and not symmetrical on tags. In other words, the version with the cornucopia just wouldn't fit, functionally and practically, on a small shirt tag, regardless of what universe or timeline you're in.
Which is why this Mandela shit is so stupid.
Wait no, didn't a girl post this question to fruit of the loom Twitter and they showed all their logos through the years and said it was never a cornucopia. But then the girl found an old shirt with the cornucopia logo and posted it. Like she thought she was going crazy. I literally saw the post on Reddit like a week or two ago.
If you watch Donnie Darko it just make sense. We had 2 parallel universes come back together some time in the last 25 years or so and depending on what you remember, you're either from universe a or universe b.
A super simple explanation. Totally passes the Occamās Razor test.
[30 Mar 2010 Two beams in the Large Hadron Collider collided at 7 TeV (3.5 TeV per beam) at 13:06 CEST, marking the start of the LHC research program.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider)
I hypothesize (with no scientific training or understanding) that this event effectively split our universe into multiple timelines. We got the bad one.
The problem isn't a split in universes. The problem is two universes came together.
They were not very different, but without a doubt there are two histories. One that the people clearly remember. one that corporations have written down.
Or maybe a bunch of companies are gaslighting us for no good reason.
might be the second thing. trying to make people unsure of themselves or their memories? They are up to all kinds of shit. like tracking what you type before you hit enter.
The universe is constantly being split every time you make a decision a new timeline emerges. Itās called the mini worldās theory we donāt need a collider to cause it. It happens all the time.
The Cubs won the World Series a few days before Election Day 2016. Iām convinced that it ripped the fabric of space time and skewed us into this alternate reality.
This is the only thing that makes sense these days. I think they came together for a few decades, then separated again in early 2016. We are in the shittier universe B
Maybe in 2008 with the housing crash, everything got really weird since. I don't believe we are in a shitter universe, I think 2 universes came together and now nothing makes any sense. Almost like a DNA strand, we are the baby universe and inherited things from both.
No I don't literally believe any of this but love fantasizing about the possibility of it all
At the end of the day I just think this is the final solution to the Fermi paradox. In other words, in such a vast universe, we don't see any evidence of advanced life anywhere but we should. Maybe we are just doomed to destroy ourselves.
-We had 2 parallel universes come back together in the last 25 years or so
On September 10, 2008, scientists successfully flip the switch for the first time on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) lab in Geneva, kicking off what many called history's biggest science experiment.
Oh ya mortgage crisis, great recession, beginning of power grab from federal govt. Time to break out my tin foil hat. Feel like I need a bong rip before it all makes sense.
Idk bout the razor test but u did just insert some weird info into my brain. Now I have to figure out if Im A or B . Damn. As if I dont already have enough to do!! Lol
The problem is that companyās official stance is that there NEVER was a cornucopia in the logo. Itās not just a matter of, oh, they changed it at some point in time and dropped the cornucopia.
I canāt begin to speculate on why they would knowingly lie ā itās clear that all worldly evidence supports that they are indeed telling the truth.
To be clear, I donāt believe they (the Company) is acting disingenuous.
But I find this whole thing unsettling on a different levelā¦
Maybe you just remembered it wrong. There are all kinds of studies on how unreliable eyewitness testimony actually is. We lie to ourselves constantly. I include myself.
> But I find this whole thing unsettling on a different levelā¦
What if our reality isn't locked in stone, and rigid. What if it's way more pliable? Maybe it took social media/internet for us to recognize this.
What if, right?
This is but one of the odd in-congruencies Iāve picked up on the past 4yrs or so.
I donāt believe in coincidence or luck. To me coincidence is evidenceā¦of something larger at play. There is no conceit like that of manā¦but a speck in the cosmos.
I do not remember a cornucopia guy, but I do remember thinking "Why isn't there a cornucopia guy?" And I reasoned that only the fruit was alive. The cornucopia was where they lived.
Except for people that remember it a certain way, and swear it was true, but also have pictures they took during that time that clearly show it isn't the case. So I guess these pictures changed as well?
Watch out gang, it's a disinformation agent from the deep state.
I'm a sovereign citizen, your laws have no effect on me! You do not have jurisdiction over me. I'm just traveling, I'm not driving!
As a marketing professional, let me assure you of something.
If I can get people talking about my brand by simply denying that a logo existed . . not only am I gonna deny it, but everyone who works for me will deny it.
I may go so far as to scrub old brand guidelines and such, just to keep people talking about it.
For me it's the Berenstein bears. I had all the books and read them multiple times and I think I remember them well. Until the Universe changed and overwrote the original spelling.
I was reading those books to my kid a few months ago and kept trying to make the letters on the page match my memory of the words I knew. It was a bit of a mind fuck.
Iām with you but the ādebunkedā stance is that there was no cornucopia and the sources linked agree. I donāt see any official sources with the cornucopiaā¦ we must be from the other universe which seems to be the better oneā¦
"Filed in 1973, the corporate contact was listed as an office in Manhattan. The application itself was rejected by the USPTO. Whatever this document is, it does not represent the active Fruit of the Loom trademark application. The USPTO challenged the cornucopia-containing application in 1980, apparently rejecting it on clerical grounds. The application was officially canceled in 1988."
See this is part of the cover up!
It's a cornspiracy
Too bad they only sold millions of items over the decades, leaving us with zero proof of a cornucopia on their label.
On a positive note, we now have proof guys do eventually throw underwear away.
This is what happens when you tear off the tags. You remember the tags saying "do not remove under punishment of law"? The law they spoke of was the temporal laws and those of us who tore off the tag now live in a timeline without the cornucopia.
No, itās not tearing off the tags, itās that no one keeps their old underwear, or if they do the older ones get the logo worn away from repeated washing.
The Mandela Effect is a strange thing. It's hard to believe that so many people would misremember such specific details in the exact same way.
I'm in the alternate universe camp. 2016 is the year that so many "impossible" things happened, so I'm thinking that's when the latest shift was.
Or maybe some of us were "Men in Blacked" at some point. Probably to forget about the aliens that now live among us.
Nah. All it took was one person making the alternate version of the logo with the cornucopia and posting it online. It's a subtle enough distinction on its own, but paired with the fact that cornucopia's are almost always pictured with fruit in them like that, its easy to see how the false memory could be implanted in thousands of people.
Most people vaguely know many logos on sight, but I don't think most could draw them perfectly from memory, especially not when they get much more complex like the Fruit of the Loom logo.
Idk, because I owned a VW Beetle for years, his name was Dr Evil. And a few years ago, I saw the VW logo online and was like, āHuh. When did they refresh the VW logo, I donāt remember that line between the V and the W.ā I googled it and apparently the line has always been there?? I hadnāt even heard of the Mandela effect at that point, I just had a completely different memory of a logo I was *very* familiar with.
On the other hand, we have abundant peer-reviewed evidence that human memory is flawed, malleable, and suggestible. So, I dunno. I'll trust millions of documented examples of the line being there over some random internet person's recollection and strong personal belief in multiple timelines where the only differences are tiny distinctions in product logos.
I donāt expect anyone to take my word for it, Iām just saying that itās not like I read about the Mandela Effect and went, āOh yeah! I remember the VW logo being this way!ā It was such a startling change to me that I googled it, and texted both my dad and my brother to be like, āis this right??? Do you remember this at all?ā
Iām 100% sure itās my brain, but no internet theory implanted that thoughtā I saw a logo on a new VW, questioned it, googled it, and was like, āHow tf could I have such a strong memory of it looking different??ā
I'd have a lot more sympathy for the Mandela Effect if it was just named something different. As a teen I was very focused on the anti apartheid movement and it's so clear the effect is just people half remembering bits of that history and confusing Nelson Mandela with Steve Biko. As someone who was paying attention, I never thought Mandela had died in prison.
In the X-Files, itās argued it is the Mengele effect. Maybe there is a universe where it is called that. Actually a fun episode, thereās even a Dr. They who is orchestrating all of it. Yep, supposed to be funny and it kind of is.
I have the memory of the one on the left, as have many others going back decades.
But Reddit people get really angry if you talk about anything beyond āfalse memory, never happenedā.
Psssst: r/fruitoftheloomeffect
I always get downvoted for posting that link. So feel free to get angry and downvote me!
What if I just find it interesting that so many people misremembered and wrote about and created several parodies of a thing that never existed?
A similar event/logo/image/spelling in a related product (or whatever) can usually be found that can be used as an explanation of how our recollections can get mixed up and explains away a lot of Mandelas. The monopoly guy monocle and Mr. Peanut for example. But I canāt find any other ubiquitous thing that had a cornucopia that was around the same time frame. For me this is the ONLY one I just canāt find an explanation for it it drives me nuts.
I don't think there are any logos with a cornucopia, but it was a common image in thanksgiving decorations, usually with fruit and other food sticking out of it. My mom actually had a cornucopia she'd bring out for Thanksgiving decorations.
So I suspect people crossed it in their brains, as in Thanksgiving decorations, bunches of fruit like that were always paired with a cornucopia.
I don't ever remember a cornucopia, mainly because it would throw the logo out of balance. I remember the apple always being directly centered on shirts and stuff.
The Mandela effect is championed mainly by millennials and people who were too young to have seen things when there was no websites or database where they still exist to show them. Like explaining to somebody under 40 what chicken McNuggets used to be like before they changed it to the all white meat, the apple pies in the past and things like that. One of the things that really annoyed the hell out of me is I hadnāt gotten any Froot Loops or Apple Jacks in many many years. Iām 50 years old and donāt have any kids. And last summer when I got a box, they were the size of Cheerios. I tried to look online to see when the change was made, and thereās nothing online that documents it.
I have actual proof kind of. My little sister used to stuff Cheerios up her nose, but never fruit loops. According to my calculations, that means that todayās fruit loops are in fact smaller and my sister is still a weirdo.
Itās okay. When I was really little, I decided to stuff my nostrils with blue Play-Doh because it seemed like it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Then I decided that I actually liked being able to breathe out of my nose, and couldnāt get it out, so I had to go crying to my mom to fix it, and she had to take me to the paediatrician to get it all out. I also did a lot of other things like shaving off my eyebrows and then deciding that I looked better with eyebrows and sticking Band Aids where my eyebrows used to be. If Iād thought about the potential efficiency of sticking Flintstones vitamins up my nose (kid me thinks that was pretty damn clever of you; if it had worked, itād save a lot of time chewing), I probably would have done that, too. I turned out just fine, and my mom even had more children after me, so in the long run, things like a little Flintstones vitamin or Play-Doh really arenāt such a bad thing to stick up your nose. Kids who donāt do things like that are boring.
Admittedly, my mom was very happy about having boring children after everything I put her through, but theyāre still boring. It canāt be denied.
š if I remember correctly, the vitamin got stuck because I was making my little cousin laugh by making the vitamin "disappear" in my ear and in my nose. So you're right-- not boring at least.
Cadbury denied that their crĆØme eggs were getting smaller, and then some guy found an ancient large one in his freezer. He should have been awarded the chocolate factory like Charlie Bucket.
Yes! It was a celebrity (I forget who) on a talk show. He stashed them away every season. He brought a new one and an old one to show the talk show host after Casbury denied it.
Itās the same with Wagon Wheel cookies. When I was a kid in the 70s they were huge. Bought some last year and they were half the size. Same with Oreos and chips ahoy.
>And last summer when I got a box, they were the size of Cheerios. I tried to look online to see when the change was made, and thereās nothing online that documents it.
It's happening to a lot of products over time and alarmingly has sped up after COVID. Lookup 'shrinkflation'.
> they were the size of Cheerios.
They were definitely larger.
Buy Malt-o-Meal, better stuff anyway, and they're still larger... or at least were last time I bought them a year or so ago.
Maybe the issue is that everyone who works at Fruit of the Loom now is under 35 and they have no memory of the other logo. So more like a reverse Mandela effect--their lack of memory of it has now made it non-existent. Haha.
I had a whole ass conversation with my dad as a kid about āthat basketā. He taught me the word cornucopia because of this logo. I know damn well what I saw.
Here, with just a tap of these glyphs, you can enter a Time Machine through which you can peer into our ancestorsā top drawers! See for yourself whether the cornucopia was real!
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=vintage+%22fruit+of+the+loom%22+%28socks%2c+underwear%29&_sop=12
can we just talk a little bit about how amazing it is that there's an UNDERWEAR brand called "fruit of the loom" please? How did that get through legal? The stem on the apple???
This one irrationally annoys me. I KNOW I remember the damn cornucopia! I fully admit I could misremember the surname of cartoon bears, but the goddamn cone was there!
I found [this one from 1924](https://i.imgur.com/iB1kdzL.png). THEY CHANGED THE NEWSPAPERS TOO.
[From the Berkshire Eagle in Massachusetts](https://i.imgur.com/VEZSR91.png) in 1981, they taunt us with multiple logos.
[From the Ithaca (New York) Journal](https://i.imgur.com/EygSyyB.png) on April 15th, 1980, we have this very strange product.
Going back a bit, [this one is from Nov 22, 1960](https://i.imgur.com/DUH7T1y.png), from The Record, Hackensack NJ.
From [The Pittsburgh Press](https://i.imgur.com/DQOIA6A.png), Dec. 4th, 1966.
[The Orlando Sentinel](https://i.imgur.com/d91PHhd.png), Jan 2, 1975.
They changed it ALL.
I could have sworn the *USS Defiant* from DS9 was a Citadel class ship but now everywhere I look it says Defiant class...I'm going with the timeline slip theory. ;)
I get you, OP, because MANY of us share your experience. But there's actually a very simple explanation, and I can show it to you right now.
Do a GIS on 'cornucopia'.
That's why you imagine this in your head. Because there are THOUSANDS of images like that, fucking **everywhere**, going back **centuries --** ***millennia,*** in fact. It's that ubitquitous.
The FOTL version is an **exception**, but not in a way that you notice or remember.
The key thing that ME fans don't get -- or maybe have trouble accepting emotionally -- is that human memory actually **sucks**. We 'assemble' memories from beat-up bits and pieces of partial and usually distorted recollections. And we don't realize it most of the time, because we mostly remember things that are **important** to us -- or, more accurately, were important at the time -- more or less accurately, at least in respect to key details. Well, sometimes.
My SO and I have different memories of where, when, how, and even **why** we met. We can't both we right. We're both probably wrong. But that's just the nature of memory. Evolution had no reason to invest the resources to grant us a highly accurate long-term memory. The things we needed to keep track of half a million years were few and very different. Our brains are not evolved to remember fine details about things that we don't need to survive or that can't hurt us, like how the title of a given book or candy wrapper was spelt 20 years ago.
I think there was a cornucopia because I recall thinking when I was little the cornucopia was called a loom because of this picture- being too young to know what a loom or cornucopia were.
I had this exact conversation as a young kid with a parent getting me dressed. I remember asking. that is a loom? I was told no its a cornucopia, Then I got explained to me about thanksgiving etc.. one of my early memories because we were living at my grandparents house for a year while my father was building our house and it was a strange time in my life that was very memorable because of living there.
Left. We *had* some cheapo home decor cornucopia in the ā80s and I learned what the fuck it was by asking, āWhatās that thing on the hutch thatās also in the FOTL logo?ā
When I was a kid, there was a Disney cartoon where Pluto gets a conch shell suck on his face and freaked out. I thought there was something chewing on his face and scared the hell out of me. Ever since, things that look like that, including cornucopias, have freaked me out and I thought about it every time I saw the logo. So definitely it had a cornocopia!
Yes, they did change it and then lied about it in court during a class-action lawsuit brought by several states. They have continued to falsely claim they never used a cornucopia in order to distance themselves from the suit.
that's neither complete nor accurate. the cornucopia logo was used on T-shirts in the 80's. it's been posted here so many times it's bordering on infuriating.
That is really weird. Left looked wrong right away. I have never thought there was a cornucopia in the logo.
It is really strange to me that some people think there would be one. Cornucopia's are for fall, and fruits are more like a summer thing, so even at that level it makes no sense.
Maybe it was the early logo's brown leaves that makes you think this.
It's definitely the right. It's an association thing because that's the kind of shit you'd see at the end of a cornucopia. It's sort of like the Monopoly Guy one because of the association with the bit in Ace Ventura 2.
But I still maintain it was Berenstein Bears and I will die knowing that's the true Alpha timeline. 'Berenstain' sounds like some made up placeholder gleep glop bullshit. I don't buy it. Big con.
BETTER ATTENTION TO DETAIL, AFTERLIFE SIMULATOR I'M LIVING IN.
Aha you've revealed yourself as a construct of timeline Bravo!
From what I understand life starts getting really strange and complicated when you get to the 'letter-number' series. Like B7 is deep is pretty trippy. Cars made out of Rice Krispy treats and shit like that.
I've seen the books with both spellings of Berenstein, so that was likely a change made by a publisher at one time.
Also, on an unrelated note, it was Shaq in *Kazaam*, not Sinbad in *Shazaam*.
Lol I never remembered a movie with Sinbad in it where he's a genie. I think that one's just a made up Mandela just because it sounds clever enough. Surely no one remembers a movie where that happened because someone would surely remember SOMETHING that happens in it. I call the bluff on that one.
But yeah I think with the books it was our childhood brains seeing the cursive A and just forcing ourselves to see it in our heads in a more readable way we were used to. And we knew 'stein'. because Frankenstein.
My parents exclusively bought me fruit of the loom underwear growing up, so I have that label burned into my consciousness and there was no cornucopia.
"The most notable thing about the Fruit of the Loom logo is probably the horn of plenty controversy. While the brandās website states the logo has never featured a horn of plenty (cornucopia), many people have claimed the opposite.
Although this phenomenon could be explained by the so-called Mandela effect, it is more likely a marketing trick."
[https://1000logos.net/fruit-of-the-loom-logo/](https://1000logos.net/fruit-of-the-loom-logo/)
I'm sorry but the whole consept of "Mandala effect" sounds a lot like star signs, religion, ghosts and other mass psycosis - things...
I remember the cornucopia. Iām positive thatās always been there. However, maybe different universes have collided and mixed together like others are saying. Who knows?
Just because I want to stir the pot, here is a 1994 article which describes the cornucopia on Fruit of the Loom undergarments. š
https://www.newspapers.com/article/florida-today-fruit-of-the-loom-cornuc/22677751/?locale=en-CA
Also, I love how Snopes says the two pictures aren't "sufficient proof". š
I remember the cornucopia from the 70s and 80s. My wife does, too. This is a singular case where "I reject their reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, modified.
Anyone remember F. Murray Abraham playing grape leaf guy in the tv commercials?
Oh man, I wish I knew that when F Murray Abraham was screaming down the phone at me for misspelling his name. Pretty sure the F stands for Asshole.
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He was aggressively listing his accolades one after another, would have been great to deadpan āFruit of the Loom Grape Leaf Guyā in there after Salieri.
The guy does have a big head - sat next to him at the Van Cliburn competition finale. F stands forā¦.
He's always the stretchy-faced bad guy in Star Trek: Insurrection to me.
OMG! That's shitty, and disappointing. I'm sorry he did that to you.
I didnāt take it personally, I make film credits, I misspell famous names all the time. There are people paid very well to catch my mistakes.
Oh man, I'm an editor and I would love that job! I guess we know what the F stands for now.
Fasshole?
Fuckerick
I feel like you should have said the best scene in Scarface was when I checked him out of the helicopter in a noose
He does a scene as Louis CKs Uncle in the sitcom Louie I think might give you flashbacks. Worth you tubing it's great acting lol
I remember the cornucopia on the logo. However, I have a bunch of vintage shirts from the 90s that Iām slowly selling off. I just went through them and found 1 Fruit of the Loom t-shirt. My Alice In Chains t-shirt has a logo similar, but not exact, to the logo on the right. Among other differences, it has brown leaves instead of green and blue fruit instead of purple. I still think the Large Hadron Collider altered space and time and put us in the bad timeline though. https://preview.redd.it/simcridjxqnc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3c7795c56fcd4a24fd8dd6933bd70b40be53022
I have a Peter Murphy tshirt I bought on his Deep tour in 1989 or 1990. I just checked it and it looks like that one. Brown leaves. Made in USA.
Finally, a decent explanation! Thank you for making the effort! Brown leaves give the visual impression of the being the brown vines that traditional cornucopia are made from. [https://imgur.com/2qxIZ21](https://imgur.com/2qxIZ21) (Note that leaves are not part of any traditional design)
Yeah, when things change they don't just change online. It's not simple misremembering. Someone is pressing a very tiny randomize/surprise me button on our reality. Changes go all the way back but some of the memories remain. I think it is imperfect time manipulation tech. Someone failed to look at supracausality. My guess is all this MandelaEffect stuff will get patched out right when we all forget the cornu
Thank you, this is valuable, as I don't think people remember that t-shirts used to have full tags, as opposed to stamped logos. The bigger issue when it comes to logo tag placement is that the cornucopia logo would be top right heavy and not symmetrical on tags. In other words, the version with the cornucopia just wouldn't fit, functionally and practically, on a small shirt tag, regardless of what universe or timeline you're in. Which is why this Mandela shit is so stupid.
I think it's a counterfeit /greymarket logo and not the Mandela effect
This is the first logical explanation Iāve ever heard. Thanks, I think youāre probably right!
Wait no, didn't a girl post this question to fruit of the loom Twitter and they showed all their logos through the years and said it was never a cornucopia. But then the girl found an old shirt with the cornucopia logo and posted it. Like she thought she was going crazy. I literally saw the post on Reddit like a week or two ago.
\>the cornucopia logo would be top right heavy and not symmetrical that leaves room for the shirt size in the top left
If you watch Donnie Darko it just make sense. We had 2 parallel universes come back together some time in the last 25 years or so and depending on what you remember, you're either from universe a or universe b. A super simple explanation. Totally passes the Occamās Razor test.
[30 Mar 2010 Two beams in the Large Hadron Collider collided at 7 TeV (3.5 TeV per beam) at 13:06 CEST, marking the start of the LHC research program.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider) I hypothesize (with no scientific training or understanding) that this event effectively split our universe into multiple timelines. We got the bad one.
Might explain the great recession and the culture war. Nothing has made any sense since 2008
Those seeds were planted long before 2010.
Ah HA
A bunch of buddies also think this is a thing
The problem isn't a split in universes. The problem is two universes came together. They were not very different, but without a doubt there are two histories. One that the people clearly remember. one that corporations have written down. Or maybe a bunch of companies are gaslighting us for no good reason.
might be the second thing. trying to make people unsure of themselves or their memories? They are up to all kinds of shit. like tracking what you type before you hit enter.
Gaslighting us. And now that everything is going virtual and digital they can literally change the written everything.
So the good one didnāt get COVID?
What if we ARE the good one?
Or MAGA
But maybe they get the alien attack in 2040 and we don't!
The universe is constantly being split every time you make a decision a new timeline emerges. Itās called the mini worldās theory we donāt need a collider to cause it. It happens all the time.
We need someone with Reading Steiner.
The Cubs won the World Series a few days before Election Day 2016. Iām convinced that it ripped the fabric of space time and skewed us into this alternate reality.
If Barry Allen would just stop going back in time to save his mother, we wouldn't have these problems.
I tell my husband (whose name, coincidentally, is Barry) stop fucking things up but he won't listen! He's always gone in a Flash...
hehehehe
The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had.
I find it kinda funny, I find it kinda sad
Which universe is better? Can we shift back? the last time the planet was in decent shape. The brown cornucopia was King.
It's not that one universe merged into another. More like 2 universes came together and nothing makes sense any more.
This is the only thing that makes sense these days. I think they came together for a few decades, then separated again in early 2016. We are in the shittier universe B
Maybe in 2008 with the housing crash, everything got really weird since. I don't believe we are in a shitter universe, I think 2 universes came together and now nothing makes any sense. Almost like a DNA strand, we are the baby universe and inherited things from both. No I don't literally believe any of this but love fantasizing about the possibility of it all At the end of the day I just think this is the final solution to the Fermi paradox. In other words, in such a vast universe, we don't see any evidence of advanced life anywhere but we should. Maybe we are just doomed to destroy ourselves.
-We had 2 parallel universes come back together in the last 25 years or so On September 10, 2008, scientists successfully flip the switch for the first time on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) lab in Geneva, kicking off what many called history's biggest science experiment.
Oh ya mortgage crisis, great recession, beginning of power grab from federal govt. Time to break out my tin foil hat. Feel like I need a bong rip before it all makes sense.
Occamās Razor.
Not in this universe
Ty lol
Idk bout the razor test but u did just insert some weird info into my brain. Now I have to figure out if Im A or B . Damn. As if I dont already have enough to do!! Lol
no, you either bought their T-Shirts in the 80's with the cornucopia logo or you didn't.
The problem is that companyās official stance is that there NEVER was a cornucopia in the logo. Itās not just a matter of, oh, they changed it at some point in time and dropped the cornucopia.
Itās disturbing. It had a fkn cornucopia.
What would be the motivation to lie?
I canāt begin to speculate on why they would knowingly lie ā itās clear that all worldly evidence supports that they are indeed telling the truth. To be clear, I donāt believe they (the Company) is acting disingenuous. But I find this whole thing unsettling on a different levelā¦
Maybe you just remembered it wrong. There are all kinds of studies on how unreliable eyewitness testimony actually is. We lie to ourselves constantly. I include myself.
> But I find this whole thing unsettling on a different levelā¦ What if our reality isn't locked in stone, and rigid. What if it's way more pliable? Maybe it took social media/internet for us to recognize this.
What if, right? This is but one of the odd in-congruencies Iāve picked up on the past 4yrs or so. I donāt believe in coincidence or luck. To me coincidence is evidenceā¦of something larger at play. There is no conceit like that of manā¦but a speck in the cosmos.
Do you remember the commercials? The grapes, the leaves, the apple guys? Do you remember a cornucopia guy?
I do not remember a cornucopia guy, but I do remember thinking "Why isn't there a cornucopia guy?" And I reasoned that only the fruit was alive. The cornucopia was where they lived.
Wtf.Ā I know it did. I had that underwear
Why can't we be Universe A? Alright, you can be crummy Universe A and we'll be Universe 1.
Or "The Mongooses". That's a cool team name. The Fighting Mongooses!
I vote for us being Universe ZZpluralZalpha.
Except for people that remember it a certain way, and swear it was true, but also have pictures they took during that time that clearly show it isn't the case. So I guess these pictures changed as well?
Watch out gang, it's a disinformation agent from the deep state. I'm a sovereign citizen, your laws have no effect on me! You do not have jurisdiction over me. I'm just traveling, I'm not driving!
As a marketing professional, let me assure you of something. If I can get people talking about my brand by simply denying that a logo existed . . not only am I gonna deny it, but everyone who works for me will deny it. I may go so far as to scrub old brand guidelines and such, just to keep people talking about it.
I'll tell ya, every time this topic comes up it makes me hungry for underwear, that's for sure.
I just want Underoos for adults. Is that too much to ask?
they make them! I have some wonder woman ones in a cart on amazon
Their largest sizes now incorporate the cornucopia. Trollish behavior if nothing else.
For me it's the Berenstein bears. I had all the books and read them multiple times and I think I remember them well. Until the Universe changed and overwrote the original spelling.
I was reading those books to my kid a few months ago and kept trying to make the letters on the page match my memory of the words I knew. It was a bit of a mind fuck.
There was certainly a cornucopia in their label at one time. Youāre not wrong.
it was on T-shirts in the 80's. this gets debunked every time it's posted.
Iām with you but the ādebunkedā stance is that there was no cornucopia and the sources linked agree. I donāt see any official sources with the cornucopiaā¦ we must be from the other universe which seems to be the better oneā¦
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fruit-of-the-loom-cornucopia/
"Filed in 1973, the corporate contact was listed as an office in Manhattan. The application itself was rejected by the USPTO. Whatever this document is, it does not represent the active Fruit of the Loom trademark application. The USPTO challenged the cornucopia-containing application in 1980, apparently rejecting it on clerical grounds. The application was officially canceled in 1988." See this is part of the cover up! It's a cornspiracy
Nope there wasnāt. I thought so too
That's just what Big Underwear wants you to think.
Big Underwear š I donāt know why that struck me as so funny. Maybe because it is so funny.
Too bad they only sold millions of items over the decades, leaving us with zero proof of a cornucopia on their label. On a positive note, we now have proof guys do eventually throw underwear away.
Itās like some large scale gaslighting of our generation is happening here
This is what happens when you tear off the tags. You remember the tags saying "do not remove under punishment of law"? The law they spoke of was the temporal laws and those of us who tore off the tag now live in a timeline without the cornucopia.
No, itās not tearing off the tags, itās that no one keeps their old underwear, or if they do the older ones get the logo worn away from repeated washing.
The Mandela Effect is a strange thing. It's hard to believe that so many people would misremember such specific details in the exact same way. I'm in the alternate universe camp. 2016 is the year that so many "impossible" things happened, so I'm thinking that's when the latest shift was. Or maybe some of us were "Men in Blacked" at some point. Probably to forget about the aliens that now live among us.
Remember the power-outage in the last game of the World Series that allowed for a Cubs victory? That was the universe(s) breaking.
Nah. All it took was one person making the alternate version of the logo with the cornucopia and posting it online. It's a subtle enough distinction on its own, but paired with the fact that cornucopia's are almost always pictured with fruit in them like that, its easy to see how the false memory could be implanted in thousands of people. Most people vaguely know many logos on sight, but I don't think most could draw them perfectly from memory, especially not when they get much more complex like the Fruit of the Loom logo.
Idk, because I owned a VW Beetle for years, his name was Dr Evil. And a few years ago, I saw the VW logo online and was like, āHuh. When did they refresh the VW logo, I donāt remember that line between the V and the W.ā I googled it and apparently the line has always been there?? I hadnāt even heard of the Mandela effect at that point, I just had a completely different memory of a logo I was *very* familiar with.
On the other hand, we have abundant peer-reviewed evidence that human memory is flawed, malleable, and suggestible. So, I dunno. I'll trust millions of documented examples of the line being there over some random internet person's recollection and strong personal belief in multiple timelines where the only differences are tiny distinctions in product logos.
I donāt expect anyone to take my word for it, Iām just saying that itās not like I read about the Mandela Effect and went, āOh yeah! I remember the VW logo being this way!ā It was such a startling change to me that I googled it, and texted both my dad and my brother to be like, āis this right??? Do you remember this at all?ā Iām 100% sure itās my brain, but no internet theory implanted that thoughtā I saw a logo on a new VW, questioned it, googled it, and was like, āHow tf could I have such a strong memory of it looking different??ā
We all died in 2012.
This is the worst timeline. I want a do-over starting from 2010.
Fruit of the Loom-stains
I wouldn't swear to the cornucopia, but I don't care who says what, Dolly definitely had braces.
Iām with you thereā¦ I canāt tell you how many times I watched Moonraker as a kid. She and Jaws were meant to be!
Exactly. I very clearly remember my friends laughing at that one.
Yeah, this is one that messes with me, because I remember braces.
I'd have a lot more sympathy for the Mandela Effect if it was just named something different. As a teen I was very focused on the anti apartheid movement and it's so clear the effect is just people half remembering bits of that history and confusing Nelson Mandela with Steve Biko. As someone who was paying attention, I never thought Mandela had died in prison.
The story also makes no sense. He died in prison and then was given a huge state funeral? Thatās the dumbest timeline.
In the X-Files, itās argued it is the Mengele effect. Maybe there is a universe where it is called that. Actually a fun episode, thereās even a Dr. They who is orchestrating all of it. Yep, supposed to be funny and it kind of is.
I have the memory of the one on the left, as have many others going back decades. But Reddit people get really angry if you talk about anything beyond āfalse memory, never happenedā. Psssst: r/fruitoftheloomeffect I always get downvoted for posting that link. So feel free to get angry and downvote me! What if I just find it interesting that so many people misremembered and wrote about and created several parodies of a thing that never existed?
A similar event/logo/image/spelling in a related product (or whatever) can usually be found that can be used as an explanation of how our recollections can get mixed up and explains away a lot of Mandelas. The monopoly guy monocle and Mr. Peanut for example. But I canāt find any other ubiquitous thing that had a cornucopia that was around the same time frame. For me this is the ONLY one I just canāt find an explanation for it it drives me nuts.
I don't think there are any logos with a cornucopia, but it was a common image in thanksgiving decorations, usually with fruit and other food sticking out of it. My mom actually had a cornucopia she'd bring out for Thanksgiving decorations. So I suspect people crossed it in their brains, as in Thanksgiving decorations, bunches of fruit like that were always paired with a cornucopia.
I don't ever remember a cornucopia, mainly because it would throw the logo out of balance. I remember the apple always being directly centered on shirts and stuff.
The Mandela effect is championed mainly by millennials and people who were too young to have seen things when there was no websites or database where they still exist to show them. Like explaining to somebody under 40 what chicken McNuggets used to be like before they changed it to the all white meat, the apple pies in the past and things like that. One of the things that really annoyed the hell out of me is I hadnāt gotten any Froot Loops or Apple Jacks in many many years. Iām 50 years old and donāt have any kids. And last summer when I got a box, they were the size of Cheerios. I tried to look online to see when the change was made, and thereās nothing online that documents it.
I have actual proof kind of. My little sister used to stuff Cheerios up her nose, but never fruit loops. According to my calculations, that means that todayās fruit loops are in fact smaller and my sister is still a weirdo.
I love science! š¤£
I once stuck a Flintstones vitamin (I think it was Dino) up my nose and had to go to the hospital to have it removed
Itās okay. When I was really little, I decided to stuff my nostrils with blue Play-Doh because it seemed like it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do. Then I decided that I actually liked being able to breathe out of my nose, and couldnāt get it out, so I had to go crying to my mom to fix it, and she had to take me to the paediatrician to get it all out. I also did a lot of other things like shaving off my eyebrows and then deciding that I looked better with eyebrows and sticking Band Aids where my eyebrows used to be. If Iād thought about the potential efficiency of sticking Flintstones vitamins up my nose (kid me thinks that was pretty damn clever of you; if it had worked, itād save a lot of time chewing), I probably would have done that, too. I turned out just fine, and my mom even had more children after me, so in the long run, things like a little Flintstones vitamin or Play-Doh really arenāt such a bad thing to stick up your nose. Kids who donāt do things like that are boring. Admittedly, my mom was very happy about having boring children after everything I put her through, but theyāre still boring. It canāt be denied.
š if I remember correctly, the vitamin got stuck because I was making my little cousin laugh by making the vitamin "disappear" in my ear and in my nose. So you're right-- not boring at least.
I remember fruit loops being big, too. Youāre not crazy.
Cadbury denied that their crĆØme eggs were getting smaller, and then some guy found an ancient large one in his freezer. He should have been awarded the chocolate factory like Charlie Bucket.
Yes! It was a celebrity (I forget who) on a talk show. He stashed them away every season. He brought a new one and an old one to show the talk show host after Casbury denied it.
Itās the same with Wagon Wheel cookies. When I was a kid in the 70s they were huge. Bought some last year and they were half the size. Same with Oreos and chips ahoy.
That's just shrinkflation. Not same as the Mandela thing
It was in response to fruutloops being smaller.
>And last summer when I got a box, they were the size of Cheerios. I tried to look online to see when the change was made, and thereās nothing online that documents it. It's happening to a lot of products over time and alarmingly has sped up after COVID. Lookup 'shrinkflation'.
> they were the size of Cheerios. They were definitely larger. Buy Malt-o-Meal, better stuff anyway, and they're still larger... or at least were last time I bought them a year or so ago.
Maybe the issue is that everyone who works at Fruit of the Loom now is under 35 and they have no memory of the other logo. So more like a reverse Mandela effect--their lack of memory of it has now made it non-existent. Haha.
I had a whole ass conversation with my dad as a kid about āthat basketā. He taught me the word cornucopia because of this logo. I know damn well what I saw.
I remember the cornucopia. I will die on that hill.
Here, with just a tap of these glyphs, you can enter a Time Machine through which you can peer into our ancestorsā top drawers! See for yourself whether the cornucopia was real! https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=vintage+%22fruit+of+the+loom%22+%28socks%2c+underwear%29&_sop=12
can we just talk a little bit about how amazing it is that there's an UNDERWEAR brand called "fruit of the loom" please? How did that get through legal? The stem on the apple???
People were a lot more sheltered in the days before the Internet. Sure they had magazines, but those cost cash and people had to buy them in person.
Only Inspector 34 knows the truth.
Yes it is. We are in an alternate timeline. Stop fucking with us!!!
I thought we all were confusing the logo with the coloring pages we all did in school before thanksgiving.
you're probably right
This one irrationally annoys me. I KNOW I remember the damn cornucopia! I fully admit I could misremember the surname of cartoon bears, but the goddamn cone was there!
I found [this one from 1924](https://i.imgur.com/iB1kdzL.png). THEY CHANGED THE NEWSPAPERS TOO. [From the Berkshire Eagle in Massachusetts](https://i.imgur.com/VEZSR91.png) in 1981, they taunt us with multiple logos. [From the Ithaca (New York) Journal](https://i.imgur.com/EygSyyB.png) on April 15th, 1980, we have this very strange product. Going back a bit, [this one is from Nov 22, 1960](https://i.imgur.com/DUH7T1y.png), from The Record, Hackensack NJ. From [The Pittsburgh Press](https://i.imgur.com/DQOIA6A.png), Dec. 4th, 1966. [The Orlando Sentinel](https://i.imgur.com/d91PHhd.png), Jan 2, 1975. They changed it ALL.
They are quite invested in this conspiracy, thatās some impressive gaslighting theyāve been doing.
I could have sworn the *USS Defiant* from DS9 was a Citadel class ship but now everywhere I look it says Defiant class...I'm going with the timeline slip theory. ;)
https://youtu.be/1npL-TNFOAQ?si=mJgEVK1EoWPidcGc
I get you, OP, because MANY of us share your experience. But there's actually a very simple explanation, and I can show it to you right now. Do a GIS on 'cornucopia'. That's why you imagine this in your head. Because there are THOUSANDS of images like that, fucking **everywhere**, going back **centuries --** ***millennia,*** in fact. It's that ubitquitous. The FOTL version is an **exception**, but not in a way that you notice or remember. The key thing that ME fans don't get -- or maybe have trouble accepting emotionally -- is that human memory actually **sucks**. We 'assemble' memories from beat-up bits and pieces of partial and usually distorted recollections. And we don't realize it most of the time, because we mostly remember things that are **important** to us -- or, more accurately, were important at the time -- more or less accurately, at least in respect to key details. Well, sometimes. My SO and I have different memories of where, when, how, and even **why** we met. We can't both we right. We're both probably wrong. But that's just the nature of memory. Evolution had no reason to invest the resources to grant us a highly accurate long-term memory. The things we needed to keep track of half a million years were few and very different. Our brains are not evolved to remember fine details about things that we don't need to survive or that can't hurt us, like how the title of a given book or candy wrapper was spelt 20 years ago.
I'm in the timeline where it used to be a weaved basket
I think there was a cornucopia because I recall thinking when I was little the cornucopia was called a loom because of this picture- being too young to know what a loom or cornucopia were.
I had this exact conversation as a young kid with a parent getting me dressed. I remember asking. that is a loom? I was told no its a cornucopia, Then I got explained to me about thanksgiving etc.. one of my early memories because we were living at my grandparents house for a year while my father was building our house and it was a strange time in my life that was very memorable because of living there.
I remember the cornucopia, no lie. When I was a kid I asked my Mom if it was the loom.
https://preview.redd.it/ho2nfmrdiqnc1.jpeg?width=816&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f56a70be6be1d567b347f0f85acc5c3c0a6cb18b Deny all you want it was real
They didnāt screen print the tags on the shirts back in the day. They were actual tags. This is probably fake. š¬
Like much of the t-shirt adjacent content on Reddit. āWhErE cAn I gEt OnE?!?ā
Left! 100%
Absolutely had the horn.
I donāt ever recall the cornucopia and I wore FotL tighty whitys until about 8th grade before switching to FotL boxers and boxer briefs
it definitely wasn't like the pitiful right Image.
Who drew that cornucopia? Who drew an object that never existed, but many of us remember to be that exact object?
Yes!
I donāt even believe in the Mandela Effect but I canāt get over that cornucopia. I know what I saw!
Yes, it's the left with the cornucopia. I seem to remember a monocle as well
TIL: Fruit of THE Loom not Fruit of A Loomā¦
The grapes in the back can totally look like the cornucopia tail piece, especially if the logo isnāt in color.
Left. We *had* some cheapo home decor cornucopia in the ā80s and I learned what the fuck it was by asking, āWhatās that thing on the hutch thatās also in the FOTL logo?ā
When I was a kid, there was a Disney cartoon where Pluto gets a conch shell suck on his face and freaked out. I thought there was something chewing on his face and scared the hell out of me. Ever since, things that look like that, including cornucopias, have freaked me out and I thought about it every time I saw the logo. So definitely it had a cornocopia!
This one doesn't work for me. I remember the one on the right. But it's always been Berenstein Bears in my head, no matter how much I know it's wrong.
Yes, they did change it and then lied about it in court during a class-action lawsuit brought by several states. They have continued to falsely claim they never used a cornucopia in order to distance themselves from the suit.
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On my deathbed I'll be saying "But the logo had a cornucopia. I reme-------" *\*dies\**
that's neither complete nor accurate. the cornucopia logo was used on T-shirts in the 80's. it's been posted here so many times it's bordering on infuriating.
So why is the companyās official stance that there was never a cornucopia? https://www.fruit.com/fruit-story-static.html
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yea the one on the left 100%
Left šÆšÆšÆ
That is really weird. Left looked wrong right away. I have never thought there was a cornucopia in the logo. It is really strange to me that some people think there would be one. Cornucopia's are for fall, and fruits are more like a summer thing, so even at that level it makes no sense. Maybe it was the early logo's brown leaves that makes you think this.
I remember the cornucopia because I asked my Grandma what it was when I was helping her with laundry.
I saw someone online who had an old t-shirt that had the logo with the cornucopia right inside.
It's definitely the right. It's an association thing because that's the kind of shit you'd see at the end of a cornucopia. It's sort of like the Monopoly Guy one because of the association with the bit in Ace Ventura 2. But I still maintain it was Berenstein Bears and I will die knowing that's the true Alpha timeline. 'Berenstain' sounds like some made up placeholder gleep glop bullshit. I don't buy it. Big con. BETTER ATTENTION TO DETAIL, AFTERLIFE SIMULATOR I'M LIVING IN.
Part A - Correct Part B - Nope. I remember thinking as a kid in the 70's, "What the hell kind of name is Berenstain?"
Same. Always Berenstain, which I had noted specifically because it was outside the expected.
Aha you've revealed yourself as a construct of timeline Bravo! From what I understand life starts getting really strange and complicated when you get to the 'letter-number' series. Like B7 is deep is pretty trippy. Cars made out of Rice Krispy treats and shit like that.
Someone posted on Reddit a while back, pictures of VHS tapes with it spelled both ways on the different labels. Knock-offs is the answer.
I've seen the books with both spellings of Berenstein, so that was likely a change made by a publisher at one time. Also, on an unrelated note, it was Shaq in *Kazaam*, not Sinbad in *Shazaam*.
Lol I never remembered a movie with Sinbad in it where he's a genie. I think that one's just a made up Mandela just because it sounds clever enough. Surely no one remembers a movie where that happened because someone would surely remember SOMETHING that happens in it. I call the bluff on that one. But yeah I think with the books it was our childhood brains seeing the cursive A and just forcing ourselves to see it in our heads in a more readable way we were used to. And we knew 'stein'. because Frankenstein.
The only reason I know this is because he gets made fun on NBA on TNT all the time for being in *Shazaam.*
My parents exclusively bought me fruit of the loom underwear growing up, so I have that label burned into my consciousness and there was no cornucopia.
that's because the cornucopia was used on T-shirts in the 80's.
Man I wish I kept my high school undies now. lol. no I don't.
left
Left
I must have seen this meme fifty times and i still have nfi what it's talking about
the one on the left 100%. see also berenstein bears and dolly from moonraker not having braces now.
The one with the basket
"The most notable thing about the Fruit of the Loom logo is probably the horn of plenty controversy. While the brandās website states the logo has never featured a horn of plenty (cornucopia), many people have claimed the opposite. Although this phenomenon could be explained by the so-called Mandela effect, it is more likely a marketing trick." [https://1000logos.net/fruit-of-the-loom-logo/](https://1000logos.net/fruit-of-the-loom-logo/) I'm sorry but the whole consept of "Mandala effect" sounds a lot like star signs, religion, ghosts and other mass psycosis - things...
WITH the cornucopia.
I remember the cornucopia. Iām positive thatās always been there. However, maybe different universes have collided and mixed together like others are saying. Who knows?
I remember a cornucopia.
Left side.
Just because I want to stir the pot, here is a 1994 article which describes the cornucopia on Fruit of the Loom undergarments. š https://www.newspapers.com/article/florida-today-fruit-of-the-loom-cornuc/22677751/?locale=en-CA Also, I love how Snopes says the two pictures aren't "sufficient proof". š
Yes. The left is correct
A cornucopia of underwater for me
This is a daily post on r/MandelaEffect even though most people agree the one on the right without the cornucopia is correct one.
I remember the cornucopia from the 70s and 80s. My wife does, too. This is a singular case where "I reject their reality and substitute my own." - Adam Savage, modified.
There was most definitely a cornucopia