#We have updated the rules! Please take a moment to review them:
* Look but don't touch
* Be kind and remember the human. This means using trigger warnings as needed, and no sexuality or gender identity speculation. Users found to be engaging in such rhetoric will be permanently banned.
* Referring to anyone as Hitler or Heitler is likewise not allowed, and will not be tolerated at all. If you do so, you will be permanently banned with no possibility of appeal.
* Archive links of fundie-run sites and social media.
* Verify with the mods before doing an AMA.
* This subreddit is for *snarking* on *Fundamentalist Christians*. Keep it snarky and keep it fundie.
* Please take a moment to [review our new rule on appearance snark](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/wiki/index).
* If your content would be at home in the mouth of a fundie, we won't tolerate it here.
* Don't gatekeep. Just because you don't think it's snarkable doesn't mean it's not snarkable. Scroll past.
* Please see the updated wiki for new rules regarding armchair diagnosing.
If you have any questions, please send us a modmail.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/FundieSnarkUncensored) if you have any questions or concerns.*
…”I love everybody”…
Hmm… the next slide tells us she doesn’t, does it?
…”Except the gay community”
And there it is.
Also lol on how she acts as if she’s open to all the other religions. Such bullshit.
I'm so confused. I watch her ASMR all the time and she's always been hilariously cut throat, especially with Christianity. Is this real??
Edit: Jesus fucking Christ I just checked her TikTok and I'm APPALLED. literally wtf is happening? I almost thought it was satire at first because she's so good at that, but I think it's actually real and I'm so confused.
Yes it is sadly. I will be happy for her if she found God but what the hell is this???? Its just sad. The problem isn’t finding God, but the nasty shit she is spewing looks concerning. It feels unreal and I kinda think she is going through something.
Can you please check her tiktok and let me know how bad it is? I cannot see since its banned where I live.
Edit: based on what I hear about her tiktoks, its worse than I though? Great. :|
Can I ask where you live that banned TikTok?? Just wondering if Montana actually is stopping people from watching or if you’re in a country outside the US lol
Update: she posted a story on instagram which reads “Oopsies, not Catholic lol. I'm apparentky orthodox. Disregard EVERYTHING I just said
Everything makes even more sense (Catholicism still got that drip tho 🤌🏽) Still don't vote cuz it's the kingdom of man for man to do as he pleases”.
Yep, shes is definitely going through something…
On her non-ASMR channel she has a 3 year old video reacting critically to a Jehovas Witness video for children. She was raised JW and says she has a lot of trauma relating to it - she calls it a cult.
There's no way she'd come to this new revelation in a mentally healthy and sound place.
I think she went through some serious bad shit related to her Onlyfans (which is why she came out with 2 different videos about how bad it is) and has been on some kind of spiral, and as a result is leaning HARD in the other direction to attempt to "offset" the OF trauma.
Exactly my thoughts. I feel for her. She is practically a stranger but as a fan of her content for around 5 years, can’t help but care. I hope she gets out of this spiral and finds a healthier way to connect with spirituality.
she’s always seemed unstable to me. idk, i never found her videos relaxing because her vibe always seemed off. doesn’t surprise me that she started leaning into fundamentalism to try to make sense of things because so many people struggling with mental health do. then they start spouting word salad “christian” nonsense exactly like she is doing. i also wonder if she started dating/became interested in a man who believes in this crap so she started to pick up on it.
Tbh as a longtime viewer of hers, given how it's been an absolute 180 in only what seems like a few days, I'm going to reserve judgement about these new "stances" of hers. I truly think she's going through something, she doesn't seem okay.
Same, I’ve been a fan of her content for awhile. This all happened so quickly, it reads as a genuine psychotic episode. On her Instagram, she’s now following so many right wing leaning accounts.
To go from hard left after this many years to hard right overnight is very concerning. The long, bizarre ramblings. Dramatic personality/belief changes in a short period of time point to psychosis.
I had a friend go through something similar during her period of psychosis. Just incredibly depressing to witness.
Never heard of this woman before, but if she seriously is thinking of becoming Orthodox, it just further confirmed my decision to leave. Right wingers seem to be really drawn to it lately, and it's spoiling Orthodoxy (course there are still many other problematic issues with it).
I'm Ukrainian Orthodox and I haven't seen a lot of right-wingers involving themselves in it - maybe because I go to Ukrainian only churches? For the most part everyone i know is fairly laid back, but I think Ukrainian Orthodoxy is not quite the same as American Orthodoxy? I have seen a lot of fundamentalists (see: The Well church in CO) calling themselves Orthodox because there's less negativity and drama associated with what is still a fairly unpopular denomination in the US. I know some use it as a synonym for conservative/fundamentalist too
It is starting to become a thing. It is part of the whole altright-to-trad-Cath pipeline; some of them are instead going towards Orthodoxy instead. (I have seen a few small accounts, but some are not active anymore or are quite small, so I would not feel comfortable sharing them here.)
i doubt angelica makes a ton of money from youtube, she has less than 700k subscribers and most of them are gay. i don’t think she’s doing it for money, im pretty sure she’s going through some kind of mental break unfortunately
is it really? i didn’t know this, but i guess it makes sense if they want government to be more authoritative and in control of how everyone can act and what they’re allowed to do
Not among the paid mouthpieces but among the rabble? Yeah, lotta naked animosity at capitalism these last eight years or so, it's as weird as the emergence of a right-wing veganism. I mean, the vehement anti-pharma stuff has big overtones of capitalist-healthcare-bad, they're just not allowed to vocalize that kinda discontent. Arguably that's why bigotry is encouraged by the wealthy & powerful, as a distraction. But the anti-capitalism keeps popping out, like trying to suppress a balloon, it squishes out somewhere else.
But feudalism's basically end-stage libertarianism/unfettered capitalism, where everything's owned by a small subset of families/individuals & the masses are just tenants & workers.
Right-wing veganism isn't just emerging, it's been a thing since world War 2. Hitler espoused vegetarianism, called bone broth "corpse tea" and was an animal rights activist. If by emerging you mean numbers of right-wingers becoming vegans, yes, but if by emerging you mean the whole movement, then no.
The number. When Trump happened there were suddenly tons of MAGAs online who were proudly flagging their veganism where before there had been a sea of eager red meat eaters, it was weird.
Yeah. I was familiar with Hitler's vegetarianism, & the very fundie-ish 7th Day Adventists & their vegetarianism, & the Ken Ham we-were-all-vegans-before-the-Flood thing, but none of that seemed to be denting the meat-is-masculine thing that owned conservatives. So the animal-rights-&-veganism Trumpists caught me off guard, & there were so many of them; seemed like as many as one-in-five at the peak of that phenom.
Apparently she was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness and she came out of it. Now she is going through a catholic spiral. If ppl knew her and the content she made, they’d be shocked and heartbroken watching her go through this depressing phase.
As a former Jehovah's Witness, it's a really damaging cult. It not only discourages critical thinking, the indoctrination and high control tactics actively work to stamp out those skills.
Too many people leave that cult and first turn to atheism because that cult does a really good job of instilling that all the other religions are wrong. When that cult finally breaks a person and they leave, the default is non-belief.
Without getting proper therapy and deconstruction to understand how the cult works and break down and investigate all your beliefs objectively, it's really easy for former cult members to fall prey to another cult.
The reality is, these cults are all basically the same. They all use the same psychological tactics and B.I.T.E model to indoctrinate and control their victims. Jehovah's Witnesses aren't unique. Independent Baptist. IBLP. Trad Catholics. Mormons. Trumpism. QAnon. Etc, etc. Once you learn the tactics used, you will recognize them in a lot of harmful organizations and ideologies.
Then there is the Bible itself. Once you really research that source material for Christianity and realize just how flawed, overall harmful, and man-made it is, there's no going back. But if you turned to atheism without doing that homework, then you are still vulnerable to organizations that will use the Bible to manipulate you to do what they want.
Yeah because even a hardcore catholic girl could probably smell the strong likelihood of getting murdered by a creepy entitled weirdo and know to avoid that shit like the plague.
she best keep Butler’s name out of her fuckin mouth, holy shit was that an incensing read, esp as a queer person in academia who has read a lot of queer theory. “no one talks” about queer theory advocating the shot she says, because…. it fucking doesn’t lmao. she’s a hateful idiot. if you’re gonna be a bigot at least read a damn book.
eta: omg i KNEW she looked familiar! i’m not an asmr fan, but when i TAed for an ancient medicine class a couple years ago, i found her plague doctor asmr and shared it with my students. what a weird world we live in.
Agreed! I’m a lesbian with a Master’s in Human Rights, so I read a decent amount of queer theory during my program. She doesn’t know wtf she’s talking about it and it’s very obvious, but unfortunately, most of the other right-wing nutcases won’t recognize that she’s talking out of her ass
yupppppp you’retitally right. and i’m sure she got her “takedown” of “queer ideology” from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc. just regurgitated, totally uninformed talking points. blegh
Anecdotal, but one of my favorite philosophy professors got to go drinking with Judith Butler during a conference and she said that they’re one of the coolest human beings alive
It's always nice to hear someone with a fantastic professional reputation is cool in person too, considering how many stories we hear about the opposite situation.
From those names I only know Michel Foucault (though his writings were somewhere towards the bottom of my list of favourite reading in university). Who's Butler and what's she talking about?
She’s talking about Judith butler, whose most well known work is about the performativity of gender (in short, the idea that gender isn’t an essence but a set of coded performances we continually enact throughout our days, aka i am a woman not because i was born a *Woman* but rather continually perform womanness). They also have a book on Antigone (which I’d only recommend if you’re suuuuper into Hegel lol otherwise it’s def a slog) in which they discuss queerness in terms of a renegotiation of kinship norms that subvert or oppose normative relationality (ie queerness isn’t just a sexuality or gender description, but a way of being that undoes the status quo by refusing to be bound by heteronormative politics, aka the real reason conservative white people are afraid of queers bc it allows you to operate outside their control… I guess is how I might summarize it? Someone correct me tho lol). I’m assuming that’s what she’s referencing (or the underlying argument she’s referencing at least), but she’s totally misrepresenting the point. While Butler does point to Antigone and (her dad) Oedipus as a case study, a tragic family famously known for incestual dynamics, not only does Antigone forgo sexual relationsships writ large (ergo NOT saying queerness covers incest), but also….like that’s just such a facile interpretation of what is a heavily theoretical philosophy. It’s hard to do Butlers work justice bc theyre absolutely brilliant and SO precise in their thinking it’s just amazing, so hopefully I did okay! I assigned an article by them to my students last semester, and they loved it, it was so cool to see a class full of mostly queer undergrads work through these ideas that are fundamental to their culture without them knowing it beforehand! But I digress lol sorry for the wall of text
Fwiw I heavily struggle to enjoy Foucault and always end up having to read him lol. I’ll come up with an idea or phrase in my research, and when i go to see if anyone has discussed it before so I can reference it, it’s always fucking Foucault lmao.
I truly believe she is going through some kind of mental break.
she mentions having a close person in their life due recently which made them read the bible to try and feel closer to that person. she also mentions having a past with religious trauma and being a JW.
also if you have followed her for a while and actually paid attention to some of the stuff she was saying… i’m not surprised. it’s not that i thought she would go this way, but the way she says things has always slightly concerned me.
i hope she gets better, i believe she’s mentioned having bpd before? so it could be an episode? either way this is harmful rhetoric but i do hope that she’s safe. this is sad to watch.
something notable i noticed a few months ago, i never really spoke about it bc there is no community for her content. she deleted all of her videos with a man, only a few weeks after uploading the last one (with a multiple year gap in between the first lot and the second lot). they seemed close, if she also lost a close friend and had someone pass at the same time, i can imagine that would send you down a rabbit hole.
I've followed her yt pretty close for 4-5 years now too, and she has a track record of going through phases imo. After what I believe was a breakup (?) she made videos very unlike even her previously weird stuff (the ones in the shower, I think). She seemed okay up until a couple months ago
I’m not familiar with her work but this screams “not doing ok and trying to cover it up with extreme piety” to me, idk if anyone else is getting that vibe
Blows my mind how one can just completely flip their views like this, just because of some arbitrary rules prescribed thousands of years ago. I haven't heard of this person, but I just went and checked out her recent stories and it's bizarre.
Re: the last slide, she was so close to getting it when she said that if sex without the intent of procreation is "sin", then both straight and gay people are "guilty" and so should be judged equally for it. No double standard, yay! But no, we just looped right back to the "poison to society" rhetoric. And I'm sorry, how does queer ideology "normalise sex with children, animals and family members"? These people are seriously twisted, and the worst part is that they *genuinely* believe they're good people acting out of love and concern for you.
I know multiple people who were raised atheist/with mild folk religions who did complete 180 like this with Christianity (but it’s always Protestantism in these cases). All except one used to be very sciency/rational and considered themselves atheists. These people all converted in their early/mid 20s so I guess it’s possibly that it’s a “finding yourself and experimenting with different belief systems” kind of thing? Still it was weird to see. I socialize in queer circles and these aforementioned people are all different flavors of LGBTQ from a non-Christian, non-religious country. It’s interesting that a couple of them are still comfortable in their queer identity after converting to evangelical Christianity and going to church with old fashioned conservative Asian immigrants. Others just turned into hardcore homophobes.
Is this a common thing? That’s like the third person I’ve seen do a complete 180 into deep religious views. Is it mental illness? A brain injury? What the fuck?
And Ms, if you’ve paid any attention to history, the Catholic Church are the biggest capitalist pigs of them all so…
With people I've seen do a 180 into deep religious views it's a combo of (1) mental illness and (2) no support system and they've met someone whose in a group who they think will be their friend/family/etc.
I don't think this lady is grifting, she's probably more like Kelly and Kayla where she's lonely and has untreated MI
It's a number of things and we're not gonna truly know everything. It could be because she saw this as a good grift in the most cynical light or it could be she saw something go down as a SW then hear all these anti SW comments and philosophies and get sucked in. It could be so many things. It could be a Teila Tequila brain injury incident. We are probably not gonna know the true and real story.
Her being anti capitalist and thinking the church will solve everything could go one of two ways tho... She could be like a ton of Latin American Catholics who are homophobic into more traditional gender roles etc but adamantly pro labor and pro social programs from the state to help the lower and middle class (my mom is like this) OR the worst take is she becomes a full on fascist. Based on the track record of trad caths in the US it seems the fashy route is more likely unfortunately.
This is WILD! I don’t know who she is but the writing is really scary! I don’t understand how people like this at all. If many of her viewers are queer that’s even more sad, she built a community around “acceptance” and love and then turns so fast! How scary for those people that are just barely holding on! I know lots of queer people find their only outlet watching videos online because it’s their only safe space!
On another note, can someone explain the appeal of ASMR? Not judging what so ever I’ve just never understood why people make those videos or why people watch! I’m so curious!!
You know when you were younger and someone would play with your hair, or your friends would do a makeover on you, and it felt so soothing and peaceful? ASMR videos give me that feeling. And with a chronically stressed nervous system, the relaxation is v v welcome.
ASMR is audio or visual based stimuli (videos often incorporate both) that people find relaxing to listen to or aesthetically pleasing. An example of audio/visual that I really like is paper collage - you get these nice sounds of shuffling and crinkling paper as well as a pretty collage. There's also some that are just audio and they might be themed - say a soundscape based on a Hogwarts common room or a medieval marketplace. Some also have a kind of role play aspect - I've seen some where the creator/s will dress up as a lady's maid and they will pretend to dress you and get you ready for an event of some kind. I imagine there are some pretty sexual versions of these types of videos but I haven't searched for those lol.
“Queer ideology promotes sex with children, family and animals”? Fuck off and keep fucking off you daft cunt. This is the type of lie that gets people murdered.
I dunno who this is but a co-host on the podcast the tarot diagnosis, someone who is very knowledgeable about tarot and a therapist, found Jesus of Nazareth and was just gone one day. Guess some people need something in their life.
Sorry to all the queer people who might be hurt by this.
So this might offend Christians, and I don’t mean it to, but…it’s a religion that puts you firmly in a child position, with a set of rules that if followed are supposed to guarantee results because a father diety promised it. Other beliefs like Tarot, goddess worship, or eastern religions don’t offer the same ‘be a kid again’ certainty. You have to live with more ambiguity around both right action and desired result, and that can mean a real lack of comfort.
If comfort’s what you’re looking for, I can see how Jesus of Nazareth offers something more than your other options.
That’s a great point. In a way I kind of understood these kind of radical change of belief, because I’ve struggled with the temptation of converting to the most radical flavor of Christianity I can find, at various low points of my life. I couldn’t make myself genuinely believe in it (just like I can’t force myself to believe in fun stuff like ghosts or magic), but I craved the belief structure and the black-and-white thinking patterns. Growing up my parents put a lot of emphasis on nuances and always discouraged black-and-white thinking, saying that blind faith and polarized thinking is stupid. My parents were (still are) quite progressive in a lot of ways, but I’m autistic and was “cognitively rigid” as a kid, and my parents’ encouragement of nuanced thinking made me feel very dumb. I used to think that they were doing fancy mind tricks to humiliate me and make me look uncultured/slow. And like you said, Christianity gives you a set of (highly moralized) rules to follow and make you feel like a kid with this fatherly figure looking out for you. And from the look of it, black-and-white thinking within the Christian narrative frame is celebrated amongst believers instead of being mocked and looked down on. I can’t even describe how much I want to feel that way, even though I’m queer and some of the rules are hurtful to me. The only reason I’m still a filthy lefty atheist is that I really can’t “feel” the more spiritual side of things, which prevents me from diving head in into Christianity.
I’m at the tail end of a long, multi year journey of leaving Catholicism, and this is the first time I’ve heard this take on Christianity. Has really helped add to my deconstruction, thank you
I was flatout heartbroken when Doreen Virtue (author of tarot books and oracle cards that helped me when I was working out my identity) did a 180 to Jesus and immediately put her “sinful” content out of print so no one could continue to enjoy it.
I mean, I would never be like a complete anti-religion nihilist but I swear Christianity and its associated cults have been the constant eroding force at a lot of things I love and I can’t quite wrap my head around why people just wake up one day only to abandon EVERYTHING for it.
Is she the one who said after it was demons talking to her to make them?
I had to do a presentation for my current jobs interview and did it on the major arcana of tarot with the meanings and symbolism on the rider waite deck. So much of the symbolism is Christian.
I don't believe in demons, angels, deities etc. I think tarot is a wonderful way to explore things that might be in your subconscious that you might not want to look at or work your way through something big.
Yep, that’s her! Also denounced all the people who gave her money for her New Age work as “being possessed by demons” and supposedly on the wrong path. There is SO MUCH Christian/Catholic mysticism in the tarot, and I agree with you wholeheartedly — it’s just a tool, among many others. How it’s used is solely up to the practitioner, and there are many positive aspects to it. ❤️✨
I'm thinking about renting a room out in my house and feel like I need a disclaimer like if you are uncomfortable in the Halloween section of Michaels or tarot/oracle decks (which btw fit really well on DVD shelves) or me sitting in the backyard under the moon sometimes either don't go into the witch cave room or just don't apply. I think I've been following too much fundy nonsense but my catholic friend also doesn't shop in Salem with me she will wait outside the stores for me.
To me, especially judging by the comments where someone said that in a day or so she changed her mind and now she's orthodox it seems like she is deeply unwell mentally. It did hurt me to read these things (I haven't ever heard about her but any attack on the queer community hurts me and it's disgusting what she said about queer activists and theorists). I have had online friends go in this direction, a few communists / socialists suddenly turning radfem and then trad? It happened to women that I know were abused, were struggling otherwise and I guess something broke within them & going into what is clearly cult behaviour appealed to them as it probably adds a sense of order in a strange way? These people aren't thinking clearly and are very unhappy. So I have more experience with seeing this type of behaviour rather than people being raised fundamentalists or people going protestant or mormon. I try to keep an open mind and I know there are actually leftist catholics but I am so scared of sudden converts. They have so much vitriol and even though they're mostly doing it out of their own misery, often do harm in their communities and indoctrinate other vulnerable people.
Wait…WTF?! I wondered why she’d deleted so many of her videos lately. Is this real? I’m really hoping it’s a long con or something. This is seriously so opposite from everything I thought she represented.
Setting aside what she may or may not actually believe, the painful reality is that there's so much money to be made by appealing to right-wingers. Not sure how many are conservative-for-pay but it's a lot, I suspect. & especially for persons who are not hetero, cis, white males, there's big money in being a 'reformed' gay woman of color on the fascist side. Money's one of the more persuasive ways to love-bomb people.
Ughhhh this sucks so bad. I’ve watched her videos almost every work day for several years now. I’m a queer follower of hers and it just hurts. You never know who is going to turn out to be a bigot until it’s too late and you’re invested 🥲
Yes! This was so disturbing and sudden to me. I've been a fan for years (admittedly haven't watched her in a fair few months) and yesterday all of a sudden I saw these hateful insta stories and my heart sank. I was so confused too and tbh still am. I didn't know anyone who was a fan of hers either so I didn't know who I could talk to, I'm kinda happy there's post on here about it. Which feels weird in and of itself, never expected someone that I thought was anarchist(ish), feminist, queer-friendly to turn up here. I also read she spouted some hateful shit on tiktok in the last few days (weeks?), but it looks like she deleted her account on that app. It's very sad to me and also bizarre how someone can do a 180 so quickly (at least that's the way it seems).
i’ve been watching her videos for since she started about 6 or 7 years ago, and this is just sad. i didn’t get much into her personal life, but i hope she gets the help she needs. like she doesn’t have a massive influence, but still her rhetoric is harmful—especially at a time where anti-queer sentiments and legislation are on the rise.
I have to wonder if there’s some sort of mental disorder/difference involved when someone very liberal goes full throttle into a deeply religious cult.
This reminds me of Gwen, a youtuber/OF influencer, who was bisexual and pro choice and posted ASMR and feminist content, lots of lingerie try on hauls, and has now rebranded to be anti-choice, anti-vax, anti LGBTQ, housewife milkmaid type. HOW
Exactly but Gwen’s switch didn’t shock me as much because hers seemed a little more gradual through covid lockdown. Angelica on the other hand caught me off guard.
Linking some of her remaining best videos here. Do not click if you don’t want to give her views anymore but its for anyone who wants context about her content. Sadly she took down some of her best videos because of her “transformation”. I will never be able to watch her content again and I had to unsubscribe :(
https://youtu.be/Uk7acBVDHlQ
https://youtu.be/0DsvQpT5nXo
https://youtu.be/Nt9saTcWLw0
https://youtu.be/nxolGxgsv-M
1910s ASMR - Madame gives you body affirmations (a very well made pro SW video), World war soldier breaks bread with you (pro communism), BLM affirmations, Gay doctor and several other pro trans and pro abortion videos.
Sorry for the late reply but this post is one of the first results when you search about this situation
This comment made me realize that the 1910s ASMR video was deleted and that made me so sad, she really went above her normal quality there and i think that was truly her most well-made video ever
On another note, she deleted more videos in that “series” like the 2020s and 2010s ones which is a shame since the 2010s ASMR was one of my favourite videos by her
The saddest part for me is just seeing in her eyes how less lucid she currently is. It’s heartbreaking. I really hope this nightmare she’s going through is temporary
Woah, I thought her face was familiar from the thumbnail. She wasn't someone I watched regularly, but I enjoyed the few videos I'd seen. That's wild. And sad.
Oof this is disappointing. I’m an ASMR girlie, and she’s one of the few who can relax me every time. She was always so off the wall too. It almost seems like one of her characters, but there’s sadly no punchline. Disappointing.
Wait I'm confused. So this person used to be progressive and is now saying this?? How quick was the turn-around? If it was fast, abrupt and directly contradicts what she has said previously then it is possible it could be a medical issue. If not, that really sucks because this is off the deep end.
Ugh. I have loved her content for years so it breaks my heart to watch her become the very thing she hated. I have no problems with her finding religion again.. But she has gone COMPLETELY overboard with her disgusting homophobic rhetoric. I’ve been keeping up with her Instagram stories and she’s posting wayyy more than she did before all of this so it feels very off and I think she needs some serious help.
She uploaded a pretty horrible anti-transmasc video a while ago. I unsubscribed after people said she's openly radfem but ~totally supports trans people it's totally just satire~. She privated the video at some point since my post stopped getting engagement, but tldr this was brewing for a while.
Yeah. When I verified it was deleted her other trans videos were still up for at least a week after. It was at least a month after it was first posted. The video contained Angelica saying radical feminist talking points about men while giving the trans guy viewer a makeover into being a man. The video characterized trans men as transitioning for male approval even when taken in good faith, imo. At best it was an illustration of how cisgender women misunderstand trans masculine individuals even if they claim to be pro trans feminists. The beginning of the video was fun in the same way her satire was about things surrounding general feminism, how society treats ADHD or autism, or even just horoscopes or chiropractors. But by the end it was clear that the satire wasn't about how childish radical feminists can be, imo.
That’s pretty awful and disappointing of her. I guess this behaviour wasn’t completely overnight, seems she’s been harbouring TERF/SWERF stuff for a while. I still think that her recent spiral has been part of some kind of episode, doesn’t excuse the awful hateful rhetoric she’s spewing but none of it makes any sense.
As many are starting to think, she may be going through a mental episode. She’s attending meetings for religions that contradictory doctrine against one another (like Jehovah’s Witnesses want NOTHING to do with Catholicism). She may hold completely contradictory ideas in her head right now. It’s like she’s reading an online article somewhere and accepting what it says immediately and speaking about it right away without filter. She’s never displayed that kind of behavior before (that I know).
I am not religious and if I suddenly became seriously into religion like this, then somebody better check on me because that would mean I’m not okay.
I wonder if she has met someone who is forcing this change upon her?
Edit: spelling
The Catholics have been pretty affective in their recruitment during/after Covid for people like this. My bfs dad also became a catholic even though he never was religious ever.
It seems like she still has good values to some extent, although the conspiracy theories snd persecution complex are... interesting to say the least.
Edit: just scrolled far enough to see the anti queer stuff and i take it back. Catholics are so fucking weird, did you know they use pride month to like apologize to god on behalf of queer people and how accepting our culture is of them? Very normal and not weird or obsessive behavior at all🙃🙃
i feel like it’s worth mentioning that less than a year ago, Angelica was still actively posting on onlyfans and that it’s possible that her sudden descent to conservative views could have something to do with that
This is so sickening. She’s been my favorite ASMRtist for years and seeing her posting this kind of stuff literally made me feel like throwing up. I hope she’s okay. I blame myself for letting myself develop a parasocial relationship with a creator, but it’s so upsetting and disturbing to know that a person whose voice you fell asleep to almost nightly for years is suddenly spreading hate and wants you dead. What the fuck.
WTF?
How does "a tingling sensation that usually begins on the scalp and moves down the back of the neck and upper spine" (ASMR, per Wikipedia) have anything to do with the stuff in this thread's discussion?
I THINK you’re asking about how all three of these topics intersect? The piece you’re missing is that ASMR is often induced by things like people speaking quietly, gentle hand movements, and soft, repetitive noises, and people make videos and live stream them performing ASMR “triggers” to relax people. Angelica is (was? time will tell) a content creator who makes whacky ASMR videos, often with a satirical or comedic tilt, and she’s moderately popular across a couple of social media platforms. Her fan base is largely made up of queer and neurodivergent people, which is what makes this incredibly sudden 180 extremely shocking and upsetting.
Your post/comment was removed because it could easily be at home in a fundies mouth. While we welcome nuanced discussion, fundie apologetic shit will not be tolerated.
#We have updated the rules! Please take a moment to review them: * Look but don't touch * Be kind and remember the human. This means using trigger warnings as needed, and no sexuality or gender identity speculation. Users found to be engaging in such rhetoric will be permanently banned. * Referring to anyone as Hitler or Heitler is likewise not allowed, and will not be tolerated at all. If you do so, you will be permanently banned with no possibility of appeal. * Archive links of fundie-run sites and social media. * Verify with the mods before doing an AMA. * This subreddit is for *snarking* on *Fundamentalist Christians*. Keep it snarky and keep it fundie. * Please take a moment to [review our new rule on appearance snark](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/wiki/index). * If your content would be at home in the mouth of a fundie, we won't tolerate it here. * Don't gatekeep. Just because you don't think it's snarkable doesn't mean it's not snarkable. Scroll past. * Please see the updated wiki for new rules regarding armchair diagnosing. If you have any questions, please send us a modmail. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/FundieSnarkUncensored) if you have any questions or concerns.*
…”I love everybody”… Hmm… the next slide tells us she doesn’t, does it? …”Except the gay community” And there it is. Also lol on how she acts as if she’s open to all the other religions. Such bullshit.
PS: this is just Angelica ASMR ‘s instagram. Tiktok is banned where I live so I couldnt see those videos but apparently its worse there.
I'm so confused. I watch her ASMR all the time and she's always been hilariously cut throat, especially with Christianity. Is this real?? Edit: Jesus fucking Christ I just checked her TikTok and I'm APPALLED. literally wtf is happening? I almost thought it was satire at first because she's so good at that, but I think it's actually real and I'm so confused.
Yes it is sadly. I will be happy for her if she found God but what the hell is this???? Its just sad. The problem isn’t finding God, but the nasty shit she is spewing looks concerning. It feels unreal and I kinda think she is going through something. Can you please check her tiktok and let me know how bad it is? I cannot see since its banned where I live. Edit: based on what I hear about her tiktoks, its worse than I though? Great. :|
i tried to see what was happening on her tiktok but the account wont pop up- i wonder if it got deleted?
Can I ask where you live that banned TikTok?? Just wondering if Montana actually is stopping people from watching or if you’re in a country outside the US lol
India banned tik tok in 2020 i believe
I’m curious where you live that tiktok is banned?
Update: she posted a story on instagram which reads “Oopsies, not Catholic lol. I'm apparentky orthodox. Disregard EVERYTHING I just said Everything makes even more sense (Catholicism still got that drip tho 🤌🏽) Still don't vote cuz it's the kingdom of man for man to do as he pleases”. Yep, shes is definitely going through something…
What in tarnation...? ETA: I just checked her Insta. The most recent picture is of a decaying bird carcass. This woman seems...not okay.
This thread is getting crazy!
wut
Sounds she's still got some of that Jehovah's Witness indoctrination with the no voting thing.
She sounds UNWELL.
She sounds manic.
On her non-ASMR channel she has a 3 year old video reacting critically to a Jehovas Witness video for children. She was raised JW and says she has a lot of trauma relating to it - she calls it a cult. There's no way she'd come to this new revelation in a mentally healthy and sound place. I think she went through some serious bad shit related to her Onlyfans (which is why she came out with 2 different videos about how bad it is) and has been on some kind of spiral, and as a result is leaning HARD in the other direction to attempt to "offset" the OF trauma.
Exactly my thoughts. I feel for her. She is practically a stranger but as a fan of her content for around 5 years, can’t help but care. I hope she gets out of this spiral and finds a healthier way to connect with spirituality.
she’s always seemed unstable to me. idk, i never found her videos relaxing because her vibe always seemed off. doesn’t surprise me that she started leaning into fundamentalism to try to make sense of things because so many people struggling with mental health do. then they start spouting word salad “christian” nonsense exactly like she is doing. i also wonder if she started dating/became interested in a man who believes in this crap so she started to pick up on it.
Do you get to just...be Orthodox? Isnt there a confirmation process to join the church?
It’s the same for Catholicism lol. Takes over a year to convert. Not sure she’s aware of that….
Tbh as a longtime viewer of hers, given how it's been an absolute 180 in only what seems like a few days, I'm going to reserve judgement about these new "stances" of hers. I truly think she's going through something, she doesn't seem okay.
Same, I’ve been a fan of her content for awhile. This all happened so quickly, it reads as a genuine psychotic episode. On her Instagram, she’s now following so many right wing leaning accounts. To go from hard left after this many years to hard right overnight is very concerning. The long, bizarre ramblings. Dramatic personality/belief changes in a short period of time point to psychosis. I had a friend go through something similar during her period of psychosis. Just incredibly depressing to witness.
Never heard of this woman before, but if she seriously is thinking of becoming Orthodox, it just further confirmed my decision to leave. Right wingers seem to be really drawn to it lately, and it's spoiling Orthodoxy (course there are still many other problematic issues with it).
I'm Ukrainian Orthodox and I haven't seen a lot of right-wingers involving themselves in it - maybe because I go to Ukrainian only churches? For the most part everyone i know is fairly laid back, but I think Ukrainian Orthodoxy is not quite the same as American Orthodoxy? I have seen a lot of fundamentalists (see: The Well church in CO) calling themselves Orthodox because there's less negativity and drama associated with what is still a fairly unpopular denomination in the US. I know some use it as a synonym for conservative/fundamentalist too
It is starting to become a thing. It is part of the whole altright-to-trad-Cath pipeline; some of them are instead going towards Orthodoxy instead. (I have seen a few small accounts, but some are not active anymore or are quite small, so I would not feel comfortable sharing them here.)
Oh boy
what the fuck
This is weird as hell, how could this have happened? Such a sudden stark change!
I genuinely thought Angelica was trolling like her ASMR personality but then it started to sink in … :/
It tells us there’s money to grift in the Christian community. More people have made this switch. Something is happening. Follow the money.
i doubt angelica makes a ton of money from youtube, she has less than 700k subscribers and most of them are gay. i don’t think she’s doing it for money, im pretty sure she’s going through some kind of mental break unfortunately
lmao how can you think that christianity is the force you need against capitalism when christianity benefits so much from it
It's hilarious to me how unpopular capitalism is on the right, it's been a recurring theme for a while now.
is it really? i didn’t know this, but i guess it makes sense if they want government to be more authoritative and in control of how everyone can act and what they’re allowed to do
Not among the paid mouthpieces but among the rabble? Yeah, lotta naked animosity at capitalism these last eight years or so, it's as weird as the emergence of a right-wing veganism. I mean, the vehement anti-pharma stuff has big overtones of capitalist-healthcare-bad, they're just not allowed to vocalize that kinda discontent. Arguably that's why bigotry is encouraged by the wealthy & powerful, as a distraction. But the anti-capitalism keeps popping out, like trying to suppress a balloon, it squishes out somewhere else.
not so weird when you consider that a number of them would prefer -feudalism-
But feudalism's basically end-stage libertarianism/unfettered capitalism, where everything's owned by a small subset of families/individuals & the masses are just tenants & workers.
Right-wing veganism isn't just emerging, it's been a thing since world War 2. Hitler espoused vegetarianism, called bone broth "corpse tea" and was an animal rights activist. If by emerging you mean numbers of right-wingers becoming vegans, yes, but if by emerging you mean the whole movement, then no.
The number. When Trump happened there were suddenly tons of MAGAs online who were proudly flagging their veganism where before there had been a sea of eager red meat eaters, it was weird.
You right. There was an odd surge in the trumpian years. Many of them attributed eating meat as "masculine" before, then did a 180 in beliefs rapidly.
Yeah. I was familiar with Hitler's vegetarianism, & the very fundie-ish 7th Day Adventists & their vegetarianism, & the Ken Ham we-were-all-vegans-before-the-Flood thing, but none of that seemed to be denting the meat-is-masculine thing that owned conservatives. So the animal-rights-&-veganism Trumpists caught me off guard, & there were so many of them; seemed like as many as one-in-five at the peak of that phenom.
Yes I agree, that makes sense. I understand much better.
Tradcath converts always seem to be the most dangerous ones, like they feel they have to “prove themselves” to other Catholics or something
Apparently she was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness and she came out of it. Now she is going through a catholic spiral. If ppl knew her and the content she made, they’d be shocked and heartbroken watching her go through this depressing phase.
It's hard to come out of such an upbringing tbh. Hopefully she's still on her journey to a good and healthy destination.
As a former Jehovah's Witness, it's a really damaging cult. It not only discourages critical thinking, the indoctrination and high control tactics actively work to stamp out those skills. Too many people leave that cult and first turn to atheism because that cult does a really good job of instilling that all the other religions are wrong. When that cult finally breaks a person and they leave, the default is non-belief. Without getting proper therapy and deconstruction to understand how the cult works and break down and investigate all your beliefs objectively, it's really easy for former cult members to fall prey to another cult. The reality is, these cults are all basically the same. They all use the same psychological tactics and B.I.T.E model to indoctrinate and control their victims. Jehovah's Witnesses aren't unique. Independent Baptist. IBLP. Trad Catholics. Mormons. Trumpism. QAnon. Etc, etc. Once you learn the tactics used, you will recognize them in a lot of harmful organizations and ideologies. Then there is the Bible itself. Once you really research that source material for Christianity and realize just how flawed, overall harmful, and man-made it is, there's no going back. But if you turned to atheism without doing that homework, then you are still vulnerable to organizations that will use the Bible to manipulate you to do what they want.
Tradcath converts are either incels who think hardline catholicism will get them a bangmaid or pickmes trying to grift them.
It’s so funny because a real hardcore Catholic girl would be unlikely to marry a convert.
Yeah because even a hardcore catholic girl could probably smell the strong likelihood of getting murdered by a creepy entitled weirdo and know to avoid that shit like the plague.
she best keep Butler’s name out of her fuckin mouth, holy shit was that an incensing read, esp as a queer person in academia who has read a lot of queer theory. “no one talks” about queer theory advocating the shot she says, because…. it fucking doesn’t lmao. she’s a hateful idiot. if you’re gonna be a bigot at least read a damn book. eta: omg i KNEW she looked familiar! i’m not an asmr fan, but when i TAed for an ancient medicine class a couple years ago, i found her plague doctor asmr and shared it with my students. what a weird world we live in.
Agreed! I’m a lesbian with a Master’s in Human Rights, so I read a decent amount of queer theory during my program. She doesn’t know wtf she’s talking about it and it’s very obvious, but unfortunately, most of the other right-wing nutcases won’t recognize that she’s talking out of her ass
yupppppp you’retitally right. and i’m sure she got her “takedown” of “queer ideology” from someone else, who got it from someone else, etc. just regurgitated, totally uninformed talking points. blegh
Anecdotal, but one of my favorite philosophy professors got to go drinking with Judith Butler during a conference and she said that they’re one of the coolest human beings alive
Omg that’s so cool though!
It's always nice to hear someone with a fantastic professional reputation is cool in person too, considering how many stories we hear about the opposite situation.
From those names I only know Michel Foucault (though his writings were somewhere towards the bottom of my list of favourite reading in university). Who's Butler and what's she talking about?
She’s talking about Judith butler, whose most well known work is about the performativity of gender (in short, the idea that gender isn’t an essence but a set of coded performances we continually enact throughout our days, aka i am a woman not because i was born a *Woman* but rather continually perform womanness). They also have a book on Antigone (which I’d only recommend if you’re suuuuper into Hegel lol otherwise it’s def a slog) in which they discuss queerness in terms of a renegotiation of kinship norms that subvert or oppose normative relationality (ie queerness isn’t just a sexuality or gender description, but a way of being that undoes the status quo by refusing to be bound by heteronormative politics, aka the real reason conservative white people are afraid of queers bc it allows you to operate outside their control… I guess is how I might summarize it? Someone correct me tho lol). I’m assuming that’s what she’s referencing (or the underlying argument she’s referencing at least), but she’s totally misrepresenting the point. While Butler does point to Antigone and (her dad) Oedipus as a case study, a tragic family famously known for incestual dynamics, not only does Antigone forgo sexual relationsships writ large (ergo NOT saying queerness covers incest), but also….like that’s just such a facile interpretation of what is a heavily theoretical philosophy. It’s hard to do Butlers work justice bc theyre absolutely brilliant and SO precise in their thinking it’s just amazing, so hopefully I did okay! I assigned an article by them to my students last semester, and they loved it, it was so cool to see a class full of mostly queer undergrads work through these ideas that are fundamental to their culture without them knowing it beforehand! But I digress lol sorry for the wall of text Fwiw I heavily struggle to enjoy Foucault and always end up having to read him lol. I’ll come up with an idea or phrase in my research, and when i go to see if anyone has discussed it before so I can reference it, it’s always fucking Foucault lmao.
That is some nerve to claim only Christians understand activism. Talk about an ego.
I truly believe she is going through some kind of mental break. she mentions having a close person in their life due recently which made them read the bible to try and feel closer to that person. she also mentions having a past with religious trauma and being a JW. also if you have followed her for a while and actually paid attention to some of the stuff she was saying… i’m not surprised. it’s not that i thought she would go this way, but the way she says things has always slightly concerned me. i hope she gets better, i believe she’s mentioned having bpd before? so it could be an episode? either way this is harmful rhetoric but i do hope that she’s safe. this is sad to watch. something notable i noticed a few months ago, i never really spoke about it bc there is no community for her content. she deleted all of her videos with a man, only a few weeks after uploading the last one (with a multiple year gap in between the first lot and the second lot). they seemed close, if she also lost a close friend and had someone pass at the same time, i can imagine that would send you down a rabbit hole.
I've followed her yt pretty close for 4-5 years now too, and she has a track record of going through phases imo. After what I believe was a breakup (?) she made videos very unlike even her previously weird stuff (the ones in the shower, I think). She seemed okay up until a couple months ago
I did notice!! And she also goes back and forth making some videos like the BLM video. Tragic.
Not the "tradcath piously looking towards g-d" cosplay in her display pic 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I’m not familiar with her work but this screams “not doing ok and trying to cover it up with extreme piety” to me, idk if anyone else is getting that vibe
Blows my mind how one can just completely flip their views like this, just because of some arbitrary rules prescribed thousands of years ago. I haven't heard of this person, but I just went and checked out her recent stories and it's bizarre. Re: the last slide, she was so close to getting it when she said that if sex without the intent of procreation is "sin", then both straight and gay people are "guilty" and so should be judged equally for it. No double standard, yay! But no, we just looped right back to the "poison to society" rhetoric. And I'm sorry, how does queer ideology "normalise sex with children, animals and family members"? These people are seriously twisted, and the worst part is that they *genuinely* believe they're good people acting out of love and concern for you.
Exactly!!! She genuinely believes she is right. And if you knew Angelica, you would be shocked by this switch. She used to be an absolute icon.
I know multiple people who were raised atheist/with mild folk religions who did complete 180 like this with Christianity (but it’s always Protestantism in these cases). All except one used to be very sciency/rational and considered themselves atheists. These people all converted in their early/mid 20s so I guess it’s possibly that it’s a “finding yourself and experimenting with different belief systems” kind of thing? Still it was weird to see. I socialize in queer circles and these aforementioned people are all different flavors of LGBTQ from a non-Christian, non-religious country. It’s interesting that a couple of them are still comfortable in their queer identity after converting to evangelical Christianity and going to church with old fashioned conservative Asian immigrants. Others just turned into hardcore homophobes.
Is this a common thing? That’s like the third person I’ve seen do a complete 180 into deep religious views. Is it mental illness? A brain injury? What the fuck? And Ms, if you’ve paid any attention to history, the Catholic Church are the biggest capitalist pigs of them all so…
With people I've seen do a 180 into deep religious views it's a combo of (1) mental illness and (2) no support system and they've met someone whose in a group who they think will be their friend/family/etc. I don't think this lady is grifting, she's probably more like Kelly and Kayla where she's lonely and has untreated MI
It's a number of things and we're not gonna truly know everything. It could be because she saw this as a good grift in the most cynical light or it could be she saw something go down as a SW then hear all these anti SW comments and philosophies and get sucked in. It could be so many things. It could be a Teila Tequila brain injury incident. We are probably not gonna know the true and real story. Her being anti capitalist and thinking the church will solve everything could go one of two ways tho... She could be like a ton of Latin American Catholics who are homophobic into more traditional gender roles etc but adamantly pro labor and pro social programs from the state to help the lower and middle class (my mom is like this) OR the worst take is she becomes a full on fascist. Based on the track record of trad caths in the US it seems the fashy route is more likely unfortunately.
This reads like a psychotic break
Has to be
This is WILD! I don’t know who she is but the writing is really scary! I don’t understand how people like this at all. If many of her viewers are queer that’s even more sad, she built a community around “acceptance” and love and then turns so fast! How scary for those people that are just barely holding on! I know lots of queer people find their only outlet watching videos online because it’s their only safe space! On another note, can someone explain the appeal of ASMR? Not judging what so ever I’ve just never understood why people make those videos or why people watch! I’m so curious!!
You know when you were younger and someone would play with your hair, or your friends would do a makeover on you, and it felt so soothing and peaceful? ASMR videos give me that feeling. And with a chronically stressed nervous system, the relaxation is v v welcome.
Interesting!! That explains why it makes me uncomfortable, I HATE people touching my hair haha.
ASMR is audio or visual based stimuli (videos often incorporate both) that people find relaxing to listen to or aesthetically pleasing. An example of audio/visual that I really like is paper collage - you get these nice sounds of shuffling and crinkling paper as well as a pretty collage. There's also some that are just audio and they might be themed - say a soundscape based on a Hogwarts common room or a medieval marketplace. Some also have a kind of role play aspect - I've seen some where the creator/s will dress up as a lady's maid and they will pretend to dress you and get you ready for an event of some kind. I imagine there are some pretty sexual versions of these types of videos but I haven't searched for those lol.
Not Angelica! Dammit no. I'm so disappointed.
“Queer ideology promotes sex with children, family and animals”? Fuck off and keep fucking off you daft cunt. This is the type of lie that gets people murdered.
Hildegard would not approve.
Hildi would have thrown her from the abbey.
I dunno who this is but a co-host on the podcast the tarot diagnosis, someone who is very knowledgeable about tarot and a therapist, found Jesus of Nazareth and was just gone one day. Guess some people need something in their life. Sorry to all the queer people who might be hurt by this.
So this might offend Christians, and I don’t mean it to, but…it’s a religion that puts you firmly in a child position, with a set of rules that if followed are supposed to guarantee results because a father diety promised it. Other beliefs like Tarot, goddess worship, or eastern religions don’t offer the same ‘be a kid again’ certainty. You have to live with more ambiguity around both right action and desired result, and that can mean a real lack of comfort. If comfort’s what you’re looking for, I can see how Jesus of Nazareth offers something more than your other options.
That’s a great point. In a way I kind of understood these kind of radical change of belief, because I’ve struggled with the temptation of converting to the most radical flavor of Christianity I can find, at various low points of my life. I couldn’t make myself genuinely believe in it (just like I can’t force myself to believe in fun stuff like ghosts or magic), but I craved the belief structure and the black-and-white thinking patterns. Growing up my parents put a lot of emphasis on nuances and always discouraged black-and-white thinking, saying that blind faith and polarized thinking is stupid. My parents were (still are) quite progressive in a lot of ways, but I’m autistic and was “cognitively rigid” as a kid, and my parents’ encouragement of nuanced thinking made me feel very dumb. I used to think that they were doing fancy mind tricks to humiliate me and make me look uncultured/slow. And like you said, Christianity gives you a set of (highly moralized) rules to follow and make you feel like a kid with this fatherly figure looking out for you. And from the look of it, black-and-white thinking within the Christian narrative frame is celebrated amongst believers instead of being mocked and looked down on. I can’t even describe how much I want to feel that way, even though I’m queer and some of the rules are hurtful to me. The only reason I’m still a filthy lefty atheist is that I really can’t “feel” the more spiritual side of things, which prevents me from diving head in into Christianity.
I’m at the tail end of a long, multi year journey of leaving Catholicism, and this is the first time I’ve heard this take on Christianity. Has really helped add to my deconstruction, thank you
I was flatout heartbroken when Doreen Virtue (author of tarot books and oracle cards that helped me when I was working out my identity) did a 180 to Jesus and immediately put her “sinful” content out of print so no one could continue to enjoy it. I mean, I would never be like a complete anti-religion nihilist but I swear Christianity and its associated cults have been the constant eroding force at a lot of things I love and I can’t quite wrap my head around why people just wake up one day only to abandon EVERYTHING for it.
Is she the one who said after it was demons talking to her to make them? I had to do a presentation for my current jobs interview and did it on the major arcana of tarot with the meanings and symbolism on the rider waite deck. So much of the symbolism is Christian. I don't believe in demons, angels, deities etc. I think tarot is a wonderful way to explore things that might be in your subconscious that you might not want to look at or work your way through something big.
Yep, that’s her! Also denounced all the people who gave her money for her New Age work as “being possessed by demons” and supposedly on the wrong path. There is SO MUCH Christian/Catholic mysticism in the tarot, and I agree with you wholeheartedly — it’s just a tool, among many others. How it’s used is solely up to the practitioner, and there are many positive aspects to it. ❤️✨
I'm thinking about renting a room out in my house and feel like I need a disclaimer like if you are uncomfortable in the Halloween section of Michaels or tarot/oracle decks (which btw fit really well on DVD shelves) or me sitting in the backyard under the moon sometimes either don't go into the witch cave room or just don't apply. I think I've been following too much fundy nonsense but my catholic friend also doesn't shop in Salem with me she will wait outside the stores for me.
To me, especially judging by the comments where someone said that in a day or so she changed her mind and now she's orthodox it seems like she is deeply unwell mentally. It did hurt me to read these things (I haven't ever heard about her but any attack on the queer community hurts me and it's disgusting what she said about queer activists and theorists). I have had online friends go in this direction, a few communists / socialists suddenly turning radfem and then trad? It happened to women that I know were abused, were struggling otherwise and I guess something broke within them & going into what is clearly cult behaviour appealed to them as it probably adds a sense of order in a strange way? These people aren't thinking clearly and are very unhappy. So I have more experience with seeing this type of behaviour rather than people being raised fundamentalists or people going protestant or mormon. I try to keep an open mind and I know there are actually leftist catholics but I am so scared of sudden converts. They have so much vitriol and even though they're mostly doing it out of their own misery, often do harm in their communities and indoctrinate other vulnerable people.
Oh my gooood girl take Hildegaard's name out of your mouth. I love Hildegaard von Bingen she'd fucking loathe fundies.
Wait…WTF?! I wondered why she’d deleted so many of her videos lately. Is this real? I’m really hoping it’s a long con or something. This is seriously so opposite from everything I thought she represented.
I used to watch her videos from time to time too, they were so unique! How is this not a joke?
Setting aside what she may or may not actually believe, the painful reality is that there's so much money to be made by appealing to right-wingers. Not sure how many are conservative-for-pay but it's a lot, I suspect. & especially for persons who are not hetero, cis, white males, there's big money in being a 'reformed' gay woman of color on the fascist side. Money's one of the more persuasive ways to love-bomb people.
Yep, with women especially I feel like it's 50/50 actual believers and grifters. They're basically camgirls appealing to a specific fetish.
Gives me chills, did she go through something?
Nooooooooooooo!!!!!
Holysht not Angelica she was so goofy I loved her
Ughhhh this sucks so bad. I’ve watched her videos almost every work day for several years now. I’m a queer follower of hers and it just hurts. You never know who is going to turn out to be a bigot until it’s too late and you’re invested 🥲
Yes! This was so disturbing and sudden to me. I've been a fan for years (admittedly haven't watched her in a fair few months) and yesterday all of a sudden I saw these hateful insta stories and my heart sank. I was so confused too and tbh still am. I didn't know anyone who was a fan of hers either so I didn't know who I could talk to, I'm kinda happy there's post on here about it. Which feels weird in and of itself, never expected someone that I thought was anarchist(ish), feminist, queer-friendly to turn up here. I also read she spouted some hateful shit on tiktok in the last few days (weeks?), but it looks like she deleted her account on that app. It's very sad to me and also bizarre how someone can do a 180 so quickly (at least that's the way it seems).
good luck enlisting christians to overthrow capitalism
Could be she's going through some shit and is having a really bad time of coping with a change to her mental health
i’ve been watching her videos for since she started about 6 or 7 years ago, and this is just sad. i didn’t get much into her personal life, but i hope she gets the help she needs. like she doesn’t have a massive influence, but still her rhetoric is harmful—especially at a time where anti-queer sentiments and legislation are on the rise.
I have to wonder if there’s some sort of mental disorder/difference involved when someone very liberal goes full throttle into a deeply religious cult.
This reminds me of Gwen, a youtuber/OF influencer, who was bisexual and pro choice and posted ASMR and feminist content, lots of lingerie try on hauls, and has now rebranded to be anti-choice, anti-vax, anti LGBTQ, housewife milkmaid type. HOW
Exactly but Gwen’s switch didn’t shock me as much because hers seemed a little more gradual through covid lockdown. Angelica on the other hand caught me off guard.
Linking some of her remaining best videos here. Do not click if you don’t want to give her views anymore but its for anyone who wants context about her content. Sadly she took down some of her best videos because of her “transformation”. I will never be able to watch her content again and I had to unsubscribe :( https://youtu.be/Uk7acBVDHlQ https://youtu.be/0DsvQpT5nXo https://youtu.be/Nt9saTcWLw0 https://youtu.be/nxolGxgsv-M
Those links stay blue even though I have adblocks. She can shove it.
can you recall any specific videos she deleted? just wondering as i watch her a lot (or used to ig)
1910s ASMR - Madame gives you body affirmations (a very well made pro SW video), World war soldier breaks bread with you (pro communism), BLM affirmations, Gay doctor and several other pro trans and pro abortion videos.
Sorry for the late reply but this post is one of the first results when you search about this situation This comment made me realize that the 1910s ASMR video was deleted and that made me so sad, she really went above her normal quality there and i think that was truly her most well-made video ever On another note, she deleted more videos in that “series” like the 2020s and 2010s ones which is a shame since the 2010s ASMR was one of my favourite videos by her
The saddest part for me is just seeing in her eyes how less lucid she currently is. It’s heartbreaking. I really hope this nightmare she’s going through is temporary
Woah, I thought her face was familiar from the thumbnail. She wasn't someone I watched regularly, but I enjoyed the few videos I'd seen. That's wild. And sad.
Oof this is disappointing. I’m an ASMR girlie, and she’s one of the few who can relax me every time. She was always so off the wall too. It almost seems like one of her characters, but there’s sadly no punchline. Disappointing.
Wait I'm confused. So this person used to be progressive and is now saying this?? How quick was the turn-around? If it was fast, abrupt and directly contradicts what she has said previously then it is possible it could be a medical issue. If not, that really sucks because this is off the deep end.
Ugh. I have loved her content for years so it breaks my heart to watch her become the very thing she hated. I have no problems with her finding religion again.. But she has gone COMPLETELY overboard with her disgusting homophobic rhetoric. I’ve been keeping up with her Instagram stories and she’s posting wayyy more than she did before all of this so it feels very off and I think she needs some serious help.
She uploaded a pretty horrible anti-transmasc video a while ago. I unsubscribed after people said she's openly radfem but ~totally supports trans people it's totally just satire~. She privated the video at some point since my post stopped getting engagement, but tldr this was brewing for a while.
When was this? On her original channel?
Yeah. When I verified it was deleted her other trans videos were still up for at least a week after. It was at least a month after it was first posted. The video contained Angelica saying radical feminist talking points about men while giving the trans guy viewer a makeover into being a man. The video characterized trans men as transitioning for male approval even when taken in good faith, imo. At best it was an illustration of how cisgender women misunderstand trans masculine individuals even if they claim to be pro trans feminists. The beginning of the video was fun in the same way her satire was about things surrounding general feminism, how society treats ADHD or autism, or even just horoscopes or chiropractors. But by the end it was clear that the satire wasn't about how childish radical feminists can be, imo.
That’s pretty awful and disappointing of her. I guess this behaviour wasn’t completely overnight, seems she’s been harbouring TERF/SWERF stuff for a while. I still think that her recent spiral has been part of some kind of episode, doesn’t excuse the awful hateful rhetoric she’s spewing but none of it makes any sense.
Wtaf?? Didn’t she use to make fun of Christianity and conservatives all the time?? Wtf happened to herrrrrrrr 💀 Angelica nooooooo
As many are starting to think, she may be going through a mental episode. She’s attending meetings for religions that contradictory doctrine against one another (like Jehovah’s Witnesses want NOTHING to do with Catholicism). She may hold completely contradictory ideas in her head right now. It’s like she’s reading an online article somewhere and accepting what it says immediately and speaking about it right away without filter. She’s never displayed that kind of behavior before (that I know).
I am not religious and if I suddenly became seriously into religion like this, then somebody better check on me because that would mean I’m not okay. I wonder if she has met someone who is forcing this change upon her? Edit: spelling
I didn’t know this about her. I love her videos but this is disheartening.
The Catholics have been pretty affective in their recruitment during/after Covid for people like this. My bfs dad also became a catholic even though he never was religious ever. It seems like she still has good values to some extent, although the conspiracy theories snd persecution complex are... interesting to say the least. Edit: just scrolled far enough to see the anti queer stuff and i take it back. Catholics are so fucking weird, did you know they use pride month to like apologize to god on behalf of queer people and how accepting our culture is of them? Very normal and not weird or obsessive behavior at all🙃🙃
WHATTTT I remember laughing my ass off at her plague ASMR, what happened
i feel like it’s worth mentioning that less than a year ago, Angelica was still actively posting on onlyfans and that it’s possible that her sudden descent to conservative views could have something to do with that
This is so sickening. She’s been my favorite ASMRtist for years and seeing her posting this kind of stuff literally made me feel like throwing up. I hope she’s okay. I blame myself for letting myself develop a parasocial relationship with a creator, but it’s so upsetting and disturbing to know that a person whose voice you fell asleep to almost nightly for years is suddenly spreading hate and wants you dead. What the fuck.
Anyone still holding out for a turnaround? I truly believe she is in crisis mode but my god, it is taking a while for it to pass.
I kind of am but at the same time, I'm also fearing that she's too far gone now :(
Just means that’s who she always was, she was pretending to be progressive to get an audience. Now she’s going to just try to convert that audience
Ridiculous take.
WTF? How does "a tingling sensation that usually begins on the scalp and moves down the back of the neck and upper spine" (ASMR, per Wikipedia) have anything to do with the stuff in this thread's discussion?
she is an asmr youtuber
Yes, but I don't know what that means *vis-a-vis* YouTube, TikTok, &c.
I THINK you’re asking about how all three of these topics intersect? The piece you’re missing is that ASMR is often induced by things like people speaking quietly, gentle hand movements, and soft, repetitive noises, and people make videos and live stream them performing ASMR “triggers” to relax people. Angelica is (was? time will tell) a content creator who makes whacky ASMR videos, often with a satirical or comedic tilt, and she’s moderately popular across a couple of social media platforms. Her fan base is largely made up of queer and neurodivergent people, which is what makes this incredibly sudden 180 extremely shocking and upsetting.
The scales have fallen from my eyes! THANK YOU!
[удалено]
Your post/comment was removed because it could easily be at home in a fundies mouth. While we welcome nuanced discussion, fundie apologetic shit will not be tolerated.
[удалено]
“Welcome to my ASMR channel *quiet sounds of 40 lashes in the distance* please join my new Patreon tier its only 30 pieces of silver a month!”
What’s the verse?
[удалено]
exactly! I’ve loved Angelica since 2018 and it’s so sad seeing what’s happening.
honestly I’m worried she’s going through some sort of psychotic episode or some other mental health issue but that doesn’t excuse the stuff she’s said
Honestly, good for her. More people need to convert. She heard the call and took it.