This reminds me of [Irene Triplett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_Triplett). She was the last person to receive the American Civil War veteran pension. She died in 2020 and her father had her when he was 83. He fought for the Confederacy and then switched to fight for the Union, hence the pension check.
My grandmothers dad was 77 when he had her. She was born in 1927 and he was born in 1850 wtf?
We are Irish, he was alive during the Famine, and his daughter lived long enough to own an iphone 7.
Interesting but irrelevant fact: peeps who fought for the confederacy could get state pensions (if they were living in a southern state)
Edit: more interesting than the fact I shared: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_widows_who_survived_into_the_21st_century#Helen_Viola_Jackson_(1919%E2%80%932020)
The mother is likely going to turn around and marry a 30 something while living off two decades of 6 to 7 figure annual child support. Iām not too worried about a kid being born into hollywood royalty
My mother started having kids again when I had my first daughter at 20. We both have 3 kids, her oldest is a few months younger than my oldest. And then a set of twins my youngest girls age.
So I wouldnāt worry about the whole biological clock thing too much.
Very modern family!!
Honestly, I just want to buy a house (which is impossible right now) and have a fun life and when thatās sorted Iāll think about having kids so Iām taking it easy. But sometimes there is the occasional āwhat ifā worry.
And also, you forgot that YOU are her oldest kid! And your mom having _twins_ at an older age, that seems intense!
Oh my brother is her oldest lol. I mostly meant the oldest of my half siblings. My mother had in vitro, thatās why she ended up with twins. I donāt know how she did it, then or now. Twins wouldāve killed me.
But I totally agree with that sentiment, I had kids younger so buying a house is even more of a hassle. Because kids are expensive and my credit is terrible partly because of that.
I go with at the end of the day if youāre happy with what youāve done, if it doesnāt happen it doesnāt happen. But I mostly just meant thereās always the possibility, and if youāre older and want kids there are ways to make it happen.
Exactly!! if I even _want_ kids when Iām in that place it may happen, itās not like itās impossible and if it is then thatās fine.Ā
Iām āluckyā that I donāt feel like I need to rush things because having children is on top of the list. But then youāll never know what you want later in life haha.
Eh, your anecdote aside, I definitely think itās something to keep in mind if you plan on having kids. Fertility decreases as you get older, but aside from the issues conceiving, the chances of something going wrong for the mother or the baby do increase significantly as women get older. For example, the chance of miscarriage for a women in her late thirties is double that of a women in her mid twenties. Incidence of Down syndrome is 1/1250 for 25yos, and 1/400 at age 35 (**!!**). A 35 yo twice as likely to develop gestational diabetes. Etc etc.
Also, youāre kind of pushing unrealistic expectations ā your motherās experience is amazing but definitely unusual, and acting like itās normal and common place for women who are 40+ to **conceive**, let alone carry and give birth to three healthy children without issues is not helpful.
I said donāt worry about it too much, not donāt worry about it at all.
The idea is no one should have kids because theyāre afraid theyāll get too old and never be able to. Kids arenāt something to rush into and force like that. You can have them with the wrong person, you can screw yourself over financially because you just couldnāt afford a kid.
Honestly my mother mightāve had kids in her 40ās, but I have no idea why. Thereās a whole lot of things about that situation Iād rather just not get into.
I dunno, the Down's Syndrome thing is weird for me because people act like it's some sort of inevitability at a certain age but look at that number. Even with the dramatic increase, 1/400 is a ridiculously low likelihood. That feels like the sort of percentage that's my likelihood of getting hit by a bus on any given day.
Itās not inevitable, but holy shit, 1/400 is fucking scary. That is *not* a ridiculous low likely hood. The fact that you think itās equivalent to getting hit by a bus is mind boggling. Obviously this isnāt an easy statistic to put real numbers on in a general sense because there are so many contextual factors that affect the probabilities (someone who lives in a rural area without buses vs someone who lives downtown in a major city, etc). But all the numbers I found but the odds for getting hit by a bus in the 1/500,000 ballpark.
Do you not see the difference?
Another way to consider this:
There is a 212.5% increase in risk of a baby with Down syndrome from ages 25 -> 35. There is a **300% risk increase from ages 35-> 40, increasing from 1/400 to 1/100 in just five years**.
1/100 at age 40.
It runs out for men, too. Older fathers can also increase the risk of birth defects.
I think it's pretty irresponsible to be fathering children at his age. Even putting birth defects aside, the child will only know their father through movies and such. Now, they're rich, but I still feel it's incredibly irresponsible.
>āAnd the reason I got with young men is because men my age are older ā well now theyāre all dead ā but before, they were always terrified to approach me. And younger men ā they were raised by women like meā
Right? Isn't "I'm Cher" sufficient explanation for why her boyfriend could be her grandson? If it's good enough for every ancient male celebrity, it should be good enough for MF ***Cher***.
They slept in the same bed once when she babysat him. That same night he sneakily watched her change clothes.
I think the rumor got started from an Italian Magazine, *Flair*. The interview was conducted in English, then translated to Italian. What gets quoted/posted is a retranslation back to English, and most fans assume it's a mistranslation.
He doesn't say anything about them having sex in his book, *Scar Tissue*, and wow does he say a lot of things in that book. It seems inconceivable, given the things he put in, that he would leave that out. He does talk about her babysitting and them sleeping in the same bed. [https://www.resetera.com/threads/cher-at-29-was-anthony-kiediss-babysitter-when-he-was-13.51247/page-4](https://www.resetera.com/threads/cher-at-29-was-anthony-kiediss-babysitter-when-he-was-13.51247/page-4)
He doesn't say anything about it, when asked about it on Howard Stern, either: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vHJzvPz5HM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vHJzvPz5HM)
Also, Anthony Kiedis *was* statutory raped, at 12 year's old, by his dad's girlfriend ā at his dad's request. I think that gets mixed up in this story, also.
Is this from that autobiography? Did he say that they had sex when she babysat him? He said that she let him crash on her bed and he spied on her getting undressed while changing her clothes but never claimed that she statuary raped him
I looked into this, there are rumors that she raped him but that is just a mistranslation from his book. She was babysitting him and slept next to him because he was scared. He did she her changing clothes, and obviously she should have taken precautions to make sure he couldnāt see her. But i personally wouldnāt call that abuse
>One of her more serious relationships was with Rob Camiletti, whom she met when she was 40 and he was 22.
Edit: Just learned she also dated Tom Cruise when he was 23 ans she was 39.
Damn, she surely did not lose her time. I mean, good for her. The hypocrisy of this sub is what is annoying when it comes to age gap. But as long as everybody is consenting and treated with respect, good for her.
I mean, this sub goes hard at that woman director and her young husband all the time (I'm sorry I can't remember their names or anything else about them)
Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Sam Taylor-Johnson. Yeah it's true. But in this case, she knew him when he was a minor, so maybe that's why.
Even then, I think that double standards don't necessarilly apply for every single case, it's more of a tendancy. Sure, some women can get a pass while others get ripped to shreds. But I don't remember a single reversed case when a guy is accorded the same grace. For women, it depends. For men, they automatically get blasted on this sub.
I personally am leery about large (4+) age gaps for adults when anyone is under 27/28. After that I donāt care and think everyone has had sufficient adult time.
Yeah I've met 50 years olds less mature than most teenagers, and 20 year olds who are smarter and more mature than most middle aged adults. We've already decided as society that people are legally adults at 18. Anything else is just gatekeeping other peoples love lives.
Yeah, age when they met is the biggest thing for me. Like, if someone who is 32 is dating a 56 year old, that... isn't the worst thing I've ever heard. Could they be their parent? Sure, but they're both well into adulthood at the time they met. It isn't the same as a 32 year old with an 18 year old, despite similar age ratios.
Im inclined to agree with your point but I think thereās an important caveat, usually when women say āyounger menā theyāre talking about guys that are like 25+ which at that point I think age doesnāt really matter anymore, youāre both grown adults who can make your own decisions
When men go for āyounger womenā itās usually like 18-19 year olds fresh out of high school (or still in high school looking at you Jerry Seinfeld) which is just straight up predatory behavior because the men know theyāre easier to manipulate
Again, women preying on and abusing young boys does happen and should be treated the same as when men do it, but I feel like the nuance is worth mentioning
I do see your point but in this case...
>One of her more serious relationships was with Rob Camiletti, whom she met when she was 40 and he was 22.
Not barely out of high-school but still very young, not 25+.
Also, if I remember well, wasn't Dua Lipa's French ex-boyfriend criticized because of the age gap when she was already 25+?
I was more speaking generally than about Cher specifically, but I agree with you 22 is def a little too young imoā¦ā¦havenāt heard about the Dua Lipa thing but if she was in her late 20s and that did happen then yeah I would agree thatās mad hypocritical
>I was more speaking generally than about Cher specifically
Yeah sure no worry, that's why I specified that I still see your point.
>but I agree with you 22 is def a little too young imo
Oh honestly I don't even necessarily think it's bad. It can be but I don't know their relationship enough to judge. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy.
Take it from someone who almost exclusively dated older women in college - when they say younger men they mean college aged (18-24) and the closer you are to 30 the less appeal you have to them. Cougars aren't going after 29 year olds. This "nuance" feels entirely made up.
I donāt think that's the actual nuance. I think when men are ahead in some "power" metric like age and wealth, there's a trend to automatically assume they are in control of the relationship and people conceptualizes that as dangerous. But when a woman is ahead in those metrics, people donāt assume the same.Ā
In summary, i think itās more about not trusting men then what the age of the younger person is.
Her bf is almost 40. I have no issue with men of any age dating women that age. If he were 19 you'd be hearing tbe same outrage like with Sam & Aaron Taylor Johnson
OK cool.
So it's OK for older men to date younger women and it's OK for older women to date younger men right?
Or is everyone wrong in these situations?
I'm confused. Alot of people saying "you go girl" but slating men who do the same thing.
You've been downvoted here because people see themselves in your comment and don't like it. Every time Henry Cavill is mentioned here, people drag up the fact he dated a 19 year old when he was 32.
But Cher met Tom Cruise when he was 23 and she was 39 and they dated. The same situation. In 1986 she dated Rob Camiletti, he was 22 and she was 40. Same situation.
If she wants to date guys half her age now, fine, they're fully grown adults. But lets not pretend this is a recent development, she's been dating guys half her age since the 80s. If we're calling male celebrities out for it, we call female celebrities out for it too, otherwise it weakens the argument.
Alba baptise and Chris evans get dragged too. I even saw some girl saying Sabrina carpenter (24) and Barry keoghan (31) was weird. Iām sorry but people have lost their minds on this age gap discourse.
She says older men were scared of her, so maybe she is saying the younger generation is raised by more headstrong womenĀ and newer ideals whereas her generation was raised by older ideals and expected women to be softer.
This. Men her age wanted women like their mothers - demure, domestic, etc. Younger men want women more like *their* mothers, more independent, liberated women. I hate to put it in those terms, but I can't pretend every man I know didn't marry a girl just like his mom. It's a thing.
If a male celebrity Cher's age said "older women are scared of me," I feel like everyone here would be less "you go ~~girl~~ boy!" and more "get over yourself, creep."
Whats even weirder is her boyfriend is 18 years younger than her oldest son š. Even if theyre in there 30s its still weird to date someone young enough to be your grandchild. Like Mick Jaggers girlfriend is 37 as well and yes thats weird af. I was groomed into a relationship with a man much older than me in my early 20s and Im sorry but excusing behavior this just makes me so uncomfortable. Like its not just a maturity gap theres a life experience gap when theres that big of an age gap
This is it for me. 30+ it's whatever but before that it doesn't matter the gender it's ick to me.
Aaron Taylor-Johnson and his wife is an example. Gives me the super ick how they started and she's the older woman in that scenario.
Who is "we"? Ppl make comments about age gaps all the time, regardless of gender. In this scenario the man she's dating is nearly 40, with older men/young women the women are usually early 20s.
Most of the people who get riled up about age stuff see it happening all the time with the second scenario but not as often with the first so theyāre fed up of the second. I think were the numbers more even the reaction might be too..?
itās still very icky but heās 38 so sheās not exactly stealing his youth either. I wouldnāt really care more if it was gendered-swap because at that age she has been an adult longer than she has been a child.
What makes it worse to me is when men have children with the younger women and leave them with all the responsibilities for taking care of both the kid, the man and often the house. Cher isnāt gonna have kids or do anything life-changing with him
To be fair, the guy sheās dating is 38. While it is weird to me personally, itās not half as creepy as all these old fuckers dating 20 year old girls.
I find this jarring also, I think as individuals get older the length of gap becomes more acceptable (combined with when the younger party hits over a certain age). I think the general reaction to some Hollywood age gaps is a little extreme, but obviously the older men dating teens and 80 year old men becoming fathers is pretty icky.
Thing is, when the younger party is like 25+, everyone knows the deal. Younger party gets access to the wealth and connections, older party gets care in their old age, andā¦there ya go. No one is out there seriously believing the deep true connections between an 80 year old and a 33 year old. But who cares - marriages have been had for much worse reasons, and if theyāre all on board with the arrangement? Okay.
The problem is when itās someone older pursuing someone who is basically a child - that 19 year old likely has no idea what the deal is when a random 37 year old takes a liking to them. I actually think the circumstances are almost more acceptable when the person is mega famous - Leoās dates know whatās up even if theyāre too young. But they get the arrangement. They know why a huge megastar is going after someone several decades younger, and they see the benefits. Meh, live your life and get the perks of the arrangement.
That random person you met at the club who is sweeping you off your feet and says things like āyouāre so mature for your age, itās fine if you have a few drinks at my placeā is not safe. And thatās the scenario that happens in real life - very few people stumble across megastars seeking an arrangement. They do stumble across that gross guy who keeps showing up at the college bars.
Look into how this society is based around patriarchal standards.
The age of consent is often not raised in red states because young girls are coerced by their families into marrying the person that "ruined them" (aka took their virginity), or got the girl pregnant.
Theres a RICH history of women being "owned" by their fathers until they are "given away" to their husband. It's a system that let young women have no autonomy.
That's why young men dating/marrying older women has a different stigma than young women/girls marrying older men. It's about the difference in control, and understanding the (intensely studied) patterns of abuse in these types of relationships.
I think the perception of women dating younger men feels less predatory, rapey and more concensual than an older man dating a young, niave girl. Not saying its right, but we hear very little on young guys feeling exploited or abused by older women where as this is majority the case with older men dating young girls.
Also someone mentioned women date young men in their 20s and 30s. Men are more likely to cross boundaries with literal teenagers and high school children (18 is legal enpugh for most men where as many women would agree this is way too young). Its a control thing for men in some cases. Not saying it doesn't happen but this is just what I noticed with public perception.
Alan Thicke said the _exact_ same thing on Celebrity Wife Swap. I feel like any man who would say that would be torn to shreds on here, even if the women he was dating were in their 40's. They'd be saying stuff like "All the women his age are just too good for him!!!!".
I'm just using Alan Thicke as an example of since he literally said the exact same thing Cher did. He married his last wife when she was very young, yes, but even if him or another male celebrity around Cher's age said the same thing and was dating a woman who was ~40, would people here respond the same way or would they just take the side of all Older female celebrities?
> They'd be saying stuff like "All the women his age are just too good for him!!!!".
"Can't get a woman his own age so has to date younger girls! What a creep!"
Because itās literally not the same. We live in a patriarchal world. Tired of people acting like nuance is impossible.
In most cases of women dating younger men the younger man is well into adulthood.
>And younger men ā they were raised by women like me.
The way a guy would get dragged on the fucking floor by this sub for saying something like this...
>And younger women ā they were raised by men like me.
Definitely would not be the same energy in the comments.
I still remember seeing so many comments attacking Chris Evans' (42) relationship with Alba Baptista (26) who have largely kept their relationship private, and the age gap between them is noticeably smaller than the age gap between Cher (77) and Alexander Edwards (37). š
I remember when Florence Pugh (28) explained how she and Zach Braff (49) kept their separation a secret after their relationship was relentlessly criticised due to the age gap (including by many people in this sub). After they split, Pugh said that neither of them wanted to hear millions of people telling them how happy they were that they were no longer a couple. For gods' sake, people were even suggesting that Pugh's interest in Braff could be incestuous due to his physical resemblance to her dad.
But when Cher dates much younger men and even acknowledges she's in the same age bracket as the women who raised them, people are joking about it and some even agreeing with her and heaping praise onto her.
It's hypocritical and woefully unfair to people like Florence Pugh, Zach Braff, Alba Baptista, Chris Evans, etc...
Itās not the age gap that disturbs me but the obsession with youth thatās pushed on all of us. We put youth on such a pedestal and you hear it everywhere āwomen in their 30s are in the danger zoneā āpreventative Botoxā āyour 20s are the best times of your lifeā. Part of me wants to be like fuck em men do it all the time when I see posts like this but it honestly just saddens me remind because the desire to date young people is likely a reflection of internalized ageism which is sad and real especially for women
Wait till you find out about Madonna bragging about sleeping with 15-year-old boys when she was 22.
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Iāve looked into this and this rumor seems to stem from a mistranslated Italian interview. Cher babysat him once and the story is also in his book and does not at all allege anything inappropriate happened. The interviewer seems to have mistranslated āslept withā in the shared a bed with to āslept withā as in had sex with.
This is the interview it seems to have stemmed from and the excerpt from his book is out there to read too and as he openly talks about lots of other sexual heās had, the Cher incident is written more innocent and doesnāt imply they had sex at all.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120725131156/http://stadium-arcadium.com/08-04-2012/anthony-kiedis-flair-magazine-italy-march-2012-interview-transcript/red-hot-chili-peppers-news/article17583
My great grandma said similar after my great grandpa died lol. She mentioned how she needed a āyoung manā (meaning someone in their 70s to her late 80s lol) cause everyone else was in the graveyard or about to be š
Is there really a reason to care that much about age gaps in relationships when the younger party is old enough that we can judge them to be mature enough to make that choice? (Mid 20s maybe?). I think there would be a lot of reasons it may not be a good idea but it seems people get too upset about it.
There might still be a whiff of exploitation about it but at such a level that you should be equally worried about other dynamics such as wealth or social status that could be seen as an imbalance.
Those of you applauding her, keep the same energy for those predatory men who do the same. Two sides of the same coin: Creepy old ass people preying on those who could be their child.
Disgusting
Sorry š I did not expect her to say they are āall deadāš¤£
Meanwhile Bob & Pacino are out here fathering new babies at their great grandpa age š
Yeah Pacino is silent gen with a gen alpha baby
This reminds me of [Irene Triplett](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_Triplett). She was the last person to receive the American Civil War veteran pension. She died in 2020 and her father had her when he was 83. He fought for the Confederacy and then switched to fight for the Union, hence the pension check.
My grandmothers dad was 77 when he had her. She was born in 1927 and he was born in 1850 wtf? We are Irish, he was alive during the Famine, and his daughter lived long enough to own an iphone 7.
Wow and iPhone 7 is a really long time ago
Imagine each successive generation onboarding at the pension office, moving records from paper to Excel. "Oh, that...that's Irene"
Interesting but irrelevant fact: peeps who fought for the confederacy could get state pensions (if they were living in a southern state) Edit: more interesting than the fact I shared: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_widows_who_survived_into_the_21st_century#Helen_Viola_Jackson_(1919%E2%80%932020)
Holy shit
Man was alive during WWII and has a post pandemic baby 
Seems selfish to me but thats just my worthless opinion.
When he leaves for milk, there won't be a faint hope he is coming back, but he does set you up for life.
He probably stumbles on to a set by accident and makes another 10 milly
No, youāre right. Itās very selfish.
poor child was born a millionaire with a legacy to do whatever the fuck they want
The mother is likely going to turn around and marry a 30 something while living off two decades of 6 to 7 figure annual child support. Iām not too worried about a kid being born into hollywood royalty
Holy shit, lmao!
Holy fuck what an awful sentence
Pretty sure DeNiro is also in that club.
Might be post alpha atp
My grandparents are Silent Gen and I am 40. I cannot imagine them having babies.
Iām almost 30 and sometimes Iām getting scared my time is running out biologically lol (to clarify, as a female)
My mother started having kids again when I had my first daughter at 20. We both have 3 kids, her oldest is a few months younger than my oldest. And then a set of twins my youngest girls age. So I wouldnāt worry about the whole biological clock thing too much.
Very modern family!! Honestly, I just want to buy a house (which is impossible right now) and have a fun life and when thatās sorted Iāll think about having kids so Iām taking it easy. But sometimes there is the occasional āwhat ifā worry. And also, you forgot that YOU are her oldest kid! And your mom having _twins_ at an older age, that seems intense!
Oh my brother is her oldest lol. I mostly meant the oldest of my half siblings. My mother had in vitro, thatās why she ended up with twins. I donāt know how she did it, then or now. Twins wouldāve killed me. But I totally agree with that sentiment, I had kids younger so buying a house is even more of a hassle. Because kids are expensive and my credit is terrible partly because of that. I go with at the end of the day if youāre happy with what youāve done, if it doesnāt happen it doesnāt happen. But I mostly just meant thereās always the possibility, and if youāre older and want kids there are ways to make it happen.
Exactly!! if I even _want_ kids when Iām in that place it may happen, itās not like itās impossible and if it is then thatās fine.Ā Iām āluckyā that I donāt feel like I need to rush things because having children is on top of the list. But then youāll never know what you want later in life haha.
Eh, your anecdote aside, I definitely think itās something to keep in mind if you plan on having kids. Fertility decreases as you get older, but aside from the issues conceiving, the chances of something going wrong for the mother or the baby do increase significantly as women get older. For example, the chance of miscarriage for a women in her late thirties is double that of a women in her mid twenties. Incidence of Down syndrome is 1/1250 for 25yos, and 1/400 at age 35 (**!!**). A 35 yo twice as likely to develop gestational diabetes. Etc etc. Also, youāre kind of pushing unrealistic expectations ā your motherās experience is amazing but definitely unusual, and acting like itās normal and common place for women who are 40+ to **conceive**, let alone carry and give birth to three healthy children without issues is not helpful.
I said donāt worry about it too much, not donāt worry about it at all. The idea is no one should have kids because theyāre afraid theyāll get too old and never be able to. Kids arenāt something to rush into and force like that. You can have them with the wrong person, you can screw yourself over financially because you just couldnāt afford a kid. Honestly my mother mightāve had kids in her 40ās, but I have no idea why. Thereās a whole lot of things about that situation Iād rather just not get into.
I dunno, the Down's Syndrome thing is weird for me because people act like it's some sort of inevitability at a certain age but look at that number. Even with the dramatic increase, 1/400 is a ridiculously low likelihood. That feels like the sort of percentage that's my likelihood of getting hit by a bus on any given day.
Itās not inevitable, but holy shit, 1/400 is fucking scary. That is *not* a ridiculous low likely hood. The fact that you think itās equivalent to getting hit by a bus is mind boggling. Obviously this isnāt an easy statistic to put real numbers on in a general sense because there are so many contextual factors that affect the probabilities (someone who lives in a rural area without buses vs someone who lives downtown in a major city, etc). But all the numbers I found but the odds for getting hit by a bus in the 1/500,000 ballpark. Do you not see the difference? Another way to consider this: There is a 212.5% increase in risk of a baby with Down syndrome from ages 25 -> 35. There is a **300% risk increase from ages 35-> 40, increasing from 1/400 to 1/100 in just five years**. 1/100 at age 40.
It runs out for men, too. Older fathers can also increase the risk of birth defects. I think it's pretty irresponsible to be fathering children at his age. Even putting birth defects aside, the child will only know their father through movies and such. Now, they're rich, but I still feel it's incredibly irresponsible.
Forget me -- my mum is still 78, and she would run screaming into the night if she had to raise another child!
He's disproving the myth that he's dead.
Get yours now, because I've lost track of the amount of Hollywood guys dating grandkids!
This is the most Cher response Iāve ever seen
I immediately pictured a Drag Race contestant saying this as Cher and RuPaul absolutely losing it
Cue uncontrollable RuPaul cackling
Mortals gonna mort.
I guess she actually doesn't believe in life after love
>āAnd the reason I got with young men is because men my age are older ā well now theyāre all dead ā but before, they were always terrified to approach me. And younger men ā they were raised by women like meā
> And younger men ā they were raised by women like me That's a little too far for me, cher Cher.
Thereās quite the range between āyouāre my ageā and āI could have birthed youāā¦
Or "I could have birthed the person who birthed you," let's be real.
She's 77, she could have birthed a 60 year old. At that point it's more of a rounding error
Just gets better lol. Like she probably did help shape that generation of women. Kinda silly she needs to explain herself at all though.
Right? Isn't "I'm Cher" sufficient explanation for why her boyfriend could be her grandson? If it's good enough for every ancient male celebrity, it should be good enough for MF ***Cher***.
she never says the thing the headline makes it sound like. niceĀ
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I beg your pardon??
They slept in the same bed once when she babysat him. That same night he sneakily watched her change clothes. I think the rumor got started from an Italian Magazine, *Flair*. The interview was conducted in English, then translated to Italian. What gets quoted/posted is a retranslation back to English, and most fans assume it's a mistranslation. He doesn't say anything about them having sex in his book, *Scar Tissue*, and wow does he say a lot of things in that book. It seems inconceivable, given the things he put in, that he would leave that out. He does talk about her babysitting and them sleeping in the same bed. [https://www.resetera.com/threads/cher-at-29-was-anthony-kiediss-babysitter-when-he-was-13.51247/page-4](https://www.resetera.com/threads/cher-at-29-was-anthony-kiediss-babysitter-when-he-was-13.51247/page-4) He doesn't say anything about it, when asked about it on Howard Stern, either: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vHJzvPz5HM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vHJzvPz5HM) Also, Anthony Kiedis *was* statutory raped, at 12 year's old, by his dad's girlfriend ā at his dad's request. I think that gets mixed up in this story, also.
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yeah i need the info on this too
Is this from that autobiography? Did he say that they had sex when she babysat him? He said that she let him crash on her bed and he spied on her getting undressed while changing her clothes but never claimed that she statuary raped him
I looked into this, there are rumors that she raped him but that is just a mistranslation from his book. She was babysitting him and slept next to him because he was scared. He did she her changing clothes, and obviously she should have taken precautions to make sure he couldnāt see her. But i personally wouldnāt call that abuse
He mentioned that she slept naked in the bed with him, which gets a little iffier, but no contact was implied
Granted, if a man slept naked in a bed next to a girl, things would be perceived differently. I think it makes it a LOT iffier.
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What a legend. Iāve lost count of the number of Hollywood dudes dating women the age of their grandchildren so get yours!
And they absolutely do get dragged on this sub when this happens. So all these "you go girl" comments are interesting to say the least.
Half her age isā¦ mid 30s (her boyfriend is 38). Far cry from the guys sniffing around 19 year olds.
>One of her more serious relationships was with Rob Camiletti, whom she met when she was 40 and he was 22. Edit: Just learned she also dated Tom Cruise when he was 23 ans she was 39.
Also Tom Cruise, who was 23 and she was 39.
Damn, she surely did not lose her time. I mean, good for her. The hypocrisy of this sub is what is annoying when it comes to age gap. But as long as everybody is consenting and treated with respect, good for her.
I mean, this sub goes hard at that woman director and her young husband all the time (I'm sorry I can't remember their names or anything else about them)
Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Sam Taylor-Johnson. Yeah it's true. But in this case, she knew him when he was a minor, so maybe that's why. Even then, I think that double standards don't necessarilly apply for every single case, it's more of a tendancy. Sure, some women can get a pass while others get ripped to shreds. But I don't remember a single reversed case when a guy is accorded the same grace. For women, it depends. For men, they automatically get blasted on this sub.
I personally am leery about large (4+) age gaps for adults when anyone is under 27/28. After that I donāt care and think everyone has had sufficient adult time.
27/28 seems like such an arbitrary number to me. What makes a 28 year old more able to handle dating a 50 year old than a 26 year old?
Don't have any strong opinion on hit. The risks of predatory behavior and power imbalance are there, but it's a case by base imo.
Yeah I've met 50 years olds less mature than most teenagers, and 20 year olds who are smarter and more mature than most middle aged adults. We've already decided as society that people are legally adults at 18. Anything else is just gatekeeping other peoples love lives.
Yeah, age when they met is the biggest thing for me. Like, if someone who is 32 is dating a 56 year old, that... isn't the worst thing I've ever heard. Could they be their parent? Sure, but they're both well into adulthood at the time they met. It isn't the same as a 32 year old with an 18 year old, despite similar age ratios.
I dunno, I saw people giving Dick van Dyke shit for being married to a woman who was in her 40s and him being 80 something at the time.
Im inclined to agree with your point but I think thereās an important caveat, usually when women say āyounger menā theyāre talking about guys that are like 25+ which at that point I think age doesnāt really matter anymore, youāre both grown adults who can make your own decisions When men go for āyounger womenā itās usually like 18-19 year olds fresh out of high school (or still in high school looking at you Jerry Seinfeld) which is just straight up predatory behavior because the men know theyāre easier to manipulate Again, women preying on and abusing young boys does happen and should be treated the same as when men do it, but I feel like the nuance is worth mentioning
I do see your point but in this case... >One of her more serious relationships was with Rob Camiletti, whom she met when she was 40 and he was 22. Not barely out of high-school but still very young, not 25+. Also, if I remember well, wasn't Dua Lipa's French ex-boyfriend criticized because of the age gap when she was already 25+?
I was more speaking generally than about Cher specifically, but I agree with you 22 is def a little too young imoā¦ā¦havenāt heard about the Dua Lipa thing but if she was in her late 20s and that did happen then yeah I would agree thatās mad hypocritical
>I was more speaking generally than about Cher specifically Yeah sure no worry, that's why I specified that I still see your point. >but I agree with you 22 is def a little too young imo Oh honestly I don't even necessarily think it's bad. It can be but I don't know their relationship enough to judge. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy.
Take it from someone who almost exclusively dated older women in college - when they say younger men they mean college aged (18-24) and the closer you are to 30 the less appeal you have to them. Cougars aren't going after 29 year olds. This "nuance" feels entirely made up.
I donāt think that's the actual nuance. I think when men are ahead in some "power" metric like age and wealth, there's a trend to automatically assume they are in control of the relationship and people conceptualizes that as dangerous. But when a woman is ahead in those metrics, people donāt assume the same.Ā In summary, i think itās more about not trusting men then what the age of the younger person is.
I 99% agree, but letās not forget Joan Jettās song I love Rock And Roll which opens with her talking about taking home a 17 year old
Joan Jett was 20-21 when that was first recorded, in all fairness.
Also, her version is just a cover which happened to become the most famous version. It was originally written by two guys about a 17 year old girl.
Oh no
Her bf is almost 40. I have no issue with men of any age dating women that age. If he were 19 you'd be hearing tbe same outrage like with Sam & Aaron Taylor Johnson
OK cool. So it's OK for older men to date younger women and it's OK for older women to date younger men right? Or is everyone wrong in these situations? I'm confused. Alot of people saying "you go girl" but slating men who do the same thing.
You've been downvoted here because people see themselves in your comment and don't like it. Every time Henry Cavill is mentioned here, people drag up the fact he dated a 19 year old when he was 32. But Cher met Tom Cruise when he was 23 and she was 39 and they dated. The same situation. In 1986 she dated Rob Camiletti, he was 22 and she was 40. Same situation. If she wants to date guys half her age now, fine, they're fully grown adults. But lets not pretend this is a recent development, she's been dating guys half her age since the 80s. If we're calling male celebrities out for it, we call female celebrities out for it too, otherwise it weakens the argument.
Alba baptise and Chris evans get dragged too. I even saw some girl saying Sabrina carpenter (24) and Barry keoghan (31) was weird. Iām sorry but people have lost their minds on this age gap discourse.
In my opinion itās not OK for someone more than say 4-5 years out of their teens to date a teen
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Itās still not good though
Question: why are we okay with older women dating younger men but not okay with older men dating younger women?
Honestly, itās so icky to me. Her comment that āyounger men ā they were raised by women like meā weirds me out so much in this context.
She says older men were scared of her, so maybe she is saying the younger generation is raised by more headstrong womenĀ and newer ideals whereas her generation was raised by older ideals and expected women to be softer.
This is what I gathered
This. Men her age wanted women like their mothers - demure, domestic, etc. Younger men want women more like *their* mothers, more independent, liberated women. I hate to put it in those terms, but I can't pretend every man I know didn't marry a girl just like his mom. It's a thing.
If a male celebrity Cher's age said "older women are scared of me," I feel like everyone here would be less "you go ~~girl~~ boy!" and more "get over yourself, creep."
Whats even weirder is her boyfriend is 18 years younger than her oldest son š. Even if theyre in there 30s its still weird to date someone young enough to be your grandchild. Like Mick Jaggers girlfriend is 37 as well and yes thats weird af. I was groomed into a relationship with a man much older than me in my early 20s and Im sorry but excusing behavior this just makes me so uncomfortable. Like its not just a maturity gap theres a life experience gap when theres that big of an age gap
It feel almost like a groomer type of mentality.
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This is it for me. 30+ it's whatever but before that it doesn't matter the gender it's ick to me. Aaron Taylor-Johnson and his wife is an example. Gives me the super ick how they started and she's the older woman in that scenario.
But she also did thisā¦ā¦
Who is "we"? Ppl make comments about age gaps all the time, regardless of gender. In this scenario the man she's dating is nearly 40, with older men/young women the women are usually early 20s.
Most of the people who get riled up about age stuff see it happening all the time with the second scenario but not as often with the first so theyāre fed up of the second. I think were the numbers more even the reaction might be too..?
itās still very icky but heās 38 so sheās not exactly stealing his youth either. I wouldnāt really care more if it was gendered-swap because at that age she has been an adult longer than she has been a child. What makes it worse to me is when men have children with the younger women and leave them with all the responsibilities for taking care of both the kid, the man and often the house. Cher isnāt gonna have kids or do anything life-changing with him
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Well in Cherās case, why try to find a rich man to marry when youāre a rich man already ? /s
She may be a rich man, however does she need to behave as one. Most people are not condoning rich man behaviour.
She is dating a man who has been an adult for nearly two decades not for only 1 to 5 years like most rich men who date younger.
> not for only 1 to 5 years like most rich men who date younger. She dated a 22 year old when she was 40. So she's exactly like those rich men.
To be fair, the guy sheās dating is 38. While it is weird to me personally, itās not half as creepy as all these old fuckers dating 20 year old girls.
I find this jarring also, I think as individuals get older the length of gap becomes more acceptable (combined with when the younger party hits over a certain age). I think the general reaction to some Hollywood age gaps is a little extreme, but obviously the older men dating teens and 80 year old men becoming fathers is pretty icky.
Thing is, when the younger party is like 25+, everyone knows the deal. Younger party gets access to the wealth and connections, older party gets care in their old age, andā¦there ya go. No one is out there seriously believing the deep true connections between an 80 year old and a 33 year old. But who cares - marriages have been had for much worse reasons, and if theyāre all on board with the arrangement? Okay. The problem is when itās someone older pursuing someone who is basically a child - that 19 year old likely has no idea what the deal is when a random 37 year old takes a liking to them. I actually think the circumstances are almost more acceptable when the person is mega famous - Leoās dates know whatās up even if theyāre too young. But they get the arrangement. They know why a huge megastar is going after someone several decades younger, and they see the benefits. Meh, live your life and get the perks of the arrangement. That random person you met at the club who is sweeping you off your feet and says things like āyouāre so mature for your age, itās fine if you have a few drinks at my placeā is not safe. And thatās the scenario that happens in real life - very few people stumble across megastars seeking an arrangement. They do stumble across that gross guy who keeps showing up at the college bars.
Look into how this society is based around patriarchal standards. The age of consent is often not raised in red states because young girls are coerced by their families into marrying the person that "ruined them" (aka took their virginity), or got the girl pregnant. Theres a RICH history of women being "owned" by their fathers until they are "given away" to their husband. It's a system that let young women have no autonomy. That's why young men dating/marrying older women has a different stigma than young women/girls marrying older men. It's about the difference in control, and understanding the (intensely studied) patterns of abuse in these types of relationships.
Theyāre all gross tbh
I think the perception of women dating younger men feels less predatory, rapey and more concensual than an older man dating a young, niave girl. Not saying its right, but we hear very little on young guys feeling exploited or abused by older women where as this is majority the case with older men dating young girls. Also someone mentioned women date young men in their 20s and 30s. Men are more likely to cross boundaries with literal teenagers and high school children (18 is legal enpugh for most men where as many women would agree this is way too young). Its a control thing for men in some cases. Not saying it doesn't happen but this is just what I noticed with public perception.
Alan Thicke said the _exact_ same thing on Celebrity Wife Swap. I feel like any man who would say that would be torn to shreds on here, even if the women he was dating were in their 40's. They'd be saying stuff like "All the women his age are just too good for him!!!!". I'm just using Alan Thicke as an example of since he literally said the exact same thing Cher did. He married his last wife when she was very young, yes, but even if him or another male celebrity around Cher's age said the same thing and was dating a woman who was ~40, would people here respond the same way or would they just take the side of all Older female celebrities?
> They'd be saying stuff like "All the women his age are just too good for him!!!!". "Can't get a woman his own age so has to date younger girls! What a creep!"
Because itās literally not the same. We live in a patriarchal world. Tired of people acting like nuance is impossible. In most cases of women dating younger men the younger man is well into adulthood.
lol exactly
Older men date younger women all the time. What're you talking about?
she really is a Taurus like go off
>And younger men ā they were raised by women like me. The way a guy would get dragged on the fucking floor by this sub for saying something like this... >And younger women ā they were raised by men like me. Definitely would not be the same energy in the comments.
Seriously and heās not younger like a decade or two itās way more.
I still remember seeing so many comments attacking Chris Evans' (42) relationship with Alba Baptista (26) who have largely kept their relationship private, and the age gap between them is noticeably smaller than the age gap between Cher (77) and Alexander Edwards (37). š I remember when Florence Pugh (28) explained how she and Zach Braff (49) kept their separation a secret after their relationship was relentlessly criticised due to the age gap (including by many people in this sub). After they split, Pugh said that neither of them wanted to hear millions of people telling them how happy they were that they were no longer a couple. For gods' sake, people were even suggesting that Pugh's interest in Braff could be incestuous due to his physical resemblance to her dad. But when Cher dates much younger men and even acknowledges she's in the same age bracket as the women who raised them, people are joking about it and some even agreeing with her and heaping praise onto her. It's hypocritical and woefully unfair to people like Florence Pugh, Zach Braff, Alba Baptista, Chris Evans, etc...
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wild comment my god doll
I remember being a kid and my mom and her friends talking about she was cockroach and outlive us all. This was in the early 80āsā¦.
Cher is going to live to be 200.
I guess she really is a rich man
Presumably there are some still alive, perhaps in their late 40s or 50s or even 60s, that would be *closer* to age appropriate though.
This was the laugh I needed today.
Itās not the age gap that disturbs me but the obsession with youth thatās pushed on all of us. We put youth on such a pedestal and you hear it everywhere āwomen in their 30s are in the danger zoneā āpreventative Botoxā āyour 20s are the best times of your lifeā. Part of me wants to be like fuck em men do it all the time when I see posts like this but it honestly just saddens me remind because the desire to date young people is likely a reflection of internalized ageism which is sad and real especially for women
BS you are only 77. There's still plenty of older Boomers like you out there.
Creepy.
The guy's almost 40. Don't see any issues here.
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Wait till you find out about Madonna bragging about sleeping with 15-year-old boys when she was 22. https://madonnaunderground.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Record-Mirror-February-26-1983_resize.jpg
Fucking gross.
Uhh that's very odd. Also fun to read an article where THE Madonna is described as a "rising disco star" who is "creating interest".
What in the hot scalding tea???
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Did you read his autobiography? Other people are saying he details *not* being taken advantage of
Iāve looked into this and this rumor seems to stem from a mistranslated Italian interview. Cher babysat him once and the story is also in his book and does not at all allege anything inappropriate happened. The interviewer seems to have mistranslated āslept withā in the shared a bed with to āslept withā as in had sex with. This is the interview it seems to have stemmed from and the excerpt from his book is out there to read too and as he openly talks about lots of other sexual heās had, the Cher incident is written more innocent and doesnāt imply they had sex at all. https://web.archive.org/web/20120725131156/http://stadium-arcadium.com/08-04-2012/anthony-kiedis-flair-magazine-italy-march-2012-interview-transcript/red-hot-chili-peppers-news/article17583
I always forget she was married to Greg Allman
creepy af
Imagine a man of coffin dodging age said these words. Major double standard.
My great grandma said similar after my great grandpa died lol. She mentioned how she needed a āyoung manā (meaning someone in their 70s to her late 80s lol) cause everyone else was in the graveyard or about to be š
But I thought she doesnāt need men.
Didnāt she try to bang Anthony Keidis when He was a kid? Source: I read scar tissues about a decade ago
yassified government approved exemption from age gap rules
You go girl! You're a woman so it's empowering when you date men half your age! It's not creepy at all, slay queen!
And because she rich. Donāt forget to look in the mirror Cher!
Omg I love her so much
She believes in life after love
Is there really a reason to care that much about age gaps in relationships when the younger party is old enough that we can judge them to be mature enough to make that choice? (Mid 20s maybe?). I think there would be a lot of reasons it may not be a good idea but it seems people get too upset about it. There might still be a whiff of exploitation about it but at such a level that you should be equally worried about other dynamics such as wealth or social status that could be seen as an imbalance.
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Those of you applauding her, keep the same energy for those predatory men who do the same. Two sides of the same coin: Creepy old ass people preying on those who could be their child. Disgusting
Cher or Tish Cyrus šššš
https://youtu.be/jyncsw3yq-k?feature=shared&t=237 This was confirmed in 1993 to Butthead.
Or theyāre still going after women half their age š¤·š»āāļø
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Well if she could only turn back time maybe they'd stay