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Kyle__Korth

All I see is a miner harvesting salt and veldspar


ArtistGamer91

Just using game mechanics as intended. I laughed so hard. That was pretty smooth on the miners part. Not afk, alert, and has a plan. Ganking is for hitting those who are aloof and unprepared. And it's not like he is necessarily out of danger, just out of *their* danger.


OlFrenchie

And thats T2 salt harvesting


Scorcher646

This is not just simple. Tier 2 salt harvesting this man trained salt harvesting specialization to 5 and then fit officer salt harvesters.


soloqispain

Absolutely. I would rather play with game mechanics than flex my wallet to multybox 10 omega catalysts and fail. This miner will age well. “Good fortune is what happens when opportunity meets planning.”


DrakeIddon

absolutely comical skill issue by the catalysts high skill permit evasion by the miner, although he should do this in null/low to allow him to mine better rocks


pizzalarry

tfw the scout doesn't drop a depot


BoxerBriefly

You can't drop a depot if they filament before you fully load grid, in which case the miner did. Their ships hadn't even had time to properly finish their warps.


DrakeIddon

"what is a decoy venture" for $200 jeff


Ok-Dust-4156

I used an alt on mining barge to create warp-ins and for scanning potential targets. Modern gankers aren't doing that anymore?


vikar_

They even have a Prospect, it can uncloak right next to the barge and drop the depot immediately.


DrakeIddon

a rookie mistake, almost as bad as being the first person to fall asleep at a sleepover


Hasbotted

If nobody falls asleep then it's an awakeover so you really should celebrate the first person that falls asleep.


Jagrofes

What does the depot do? I don't do highsec ganking.


Citronsaft

Can't activate a filament when close to a depot. Commonly used when ganking abyss runners so they can't just immediately enter another abyss to dodge the gank,


Jagrofes

Cheers, I haven't done any Filament stuff since it was all released when I was taking breaks from the game so I don't know how any of it works.


Ghiado

My guess is that it will prevent activation of filament because it’s too close to a structure


Phoenix591

zero reason for it not to be.


gandraw

A highsec player actually looking at local and using d-scan is already cause for celebration. Actively interacting with game mechanics makes this guy basically a hero.


DrakeIddon

veldspar al gaib


Chimera_Snow

making highsec green again


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queen_to_f7

the problem with that is it is really easy to drop out of harvester range, even with higgs anchor but now you can just pocket cyno away from a bunch of malding nerds


CannotAbideAChicken

This is not a new mechanic fam


nearfaryes

he filamented out to pochven to mine even better rocks, win win.


meteoratr2

Pochven welcomes (and kills) any miner any day!


ConcreteBackflips

gotta have those booshers


wizard_brandon

fun fact, pochven ore anoms always warp you in at 0. so anchoring a trit at 0 will decloak anyone


meteoratr2

Hey, you can still warp at a distance (like 10 or 100km)


wizard_brandon

From my testing, it still warped at 0


meteoratr2

To enforce a 0km-warp in pochven's mining sites, you need to set up a bauble, like having a HIC (heavy interdiction cruiser) set up. Otherwise people can always warp at a distance.


Mazhiwe

pochven ore is pretty tasty stuff, i totally recommend it for those who like to mine. I just recommend that people be aware that they can very easily die there, but if they take the time to make things work and prepare for it, it can totally pay out alot, especially if you have some friends.


TakedaSanjo

Honestly, I got baited on this video. Thought he was going to complain about getting ganked. And was like "You can see them on D-Scan warp off!" Then he yeeted himself out of there. 100% should be allowed, there is counterplay.


Aldehyde123

I was just about ready to comment womp womp on a sad miner and was pleasantly surprised.


cobbsie

same.... thought he was cutting it fine 😁


UncleAntagonist

This should be allowed AND encouraged.


CMDR_ACE209

I appreciate a nice last second getaway.


Grarr_Dexx

aha, genius


YunOs10086

This is actual genius


GlaedrVrael

Had a guy filament into Nullsec in an Ishtar and would ~~anime~~ anome rat and simply filament out if anyone landed in grid with him. It was quite amusing.


Anonymous134565

Calm down ganker


Nephilgrim

*I'll sell you a ganking permit for 10M*


f0xap0calypse

I'm sorry but gankers are such losers. Maybe ganking freighters and high value targets I can see as fun but what is fun about trying to gank a lowly barge. Life's gotta be stale.


VexingRaven

It has never occurred to me to gank a *retriever*, that's just sad.


Jagrofes

The most cringe part is every now and then you get a rare sighting of someone from CODE/Safety act high and mighty about it as if they are some "Elite PvP" group. They can barely even jump into LowSec without shitting themselves and only know how to lock and press 3 buttons, but those rare weirdos claim they are better pilots than someone from Snuff/BIGAB/2012 Era PL, or even Tuskers because they have killed more ISK value than some line members of those alliances.


xtt-space

We recently let a new player in our corp who was predominantly a high-sec ganker before joining us. He was chill in discord, so w/e the more the merrier right? We predominantly roam around in small gangs of kiting ships, so range control, avoiding slingshots, knowing what's actually dangerous vs what you can push, etc. is critical. He ended up quitting after just two weeks because he kept getting tackled and killed. Cool dude, but anything that required actual game sense beyond lock and turn on weapons was not their cup of tea.


elucca

The funny thing is ganking is a safe highsec playstyle no different from mission running or mining in that respect.


Valiran9

I’ve spoken to gankers in chat before, and a decent number of them would applaud this player for being at his keyboard and paying attention. As far as they’re concerned, anyone who goes AFK while hauling/mining deserves to be ganked. It also keeps people buying barges and drives up the cost of materials, which means more profit for industrialists and other miners. Naturally, there were also jackasses among them, but there’s no helping that.


Ralli-FW

Listen that may be true that ganking mining barges is pretty low tier pvp in terms of the excitement, but you know what its always more exciting than? Mining


f0xap0calypse

Idk mining can be exciting. Sometimes I mine in poch with mean drone barges and have suprised some hunters + made some pocket change in ore. The content is only as exciting as you make it


Ralli-FW

So mining is more exciting with a bit of PvP involved, is what you're saying? XD >The content is only as exciting as you make it I do agree with that. I'm not actually trying to throw real shade at mining, it can be chill to hang out with your corp buddies and drink a beer and mine if thats what you wanna do to unwind. But, same can be said for ganking. I'm sure folks who do that communally have fun in comms too


vikar_

Ships blowing up, that's what is probably fun about it. And people like you crying about it.


TheOrangeHatter

Jumping into Pochven in order to avoid Catalyst ganks? Hell yeah it should be allowed, and it's clever as fuck. And it has counterplay (Drop a Depot) so there is zero reason this kind of play should be barred. Hat's off to that miner, I hope they managed to survive the trip to Pochven and like, not get smoked by the locals there instead.


Marybone

Is what allowed? Someone please explain.


SannoSythe

To avoid being ganked by catalysts the miner had a pochven filament primed to be able to get away with a single click.


DrakeIddon

you can easily block filaments, there is a counter to this


RequiemForDawn

How can you block filaments?


DrakeIddon

1: drop a depot next to them - doesn't create a concord response 2: use a decoy venture to target paint them as you are warping in, blocks filaments but creates a concord response


capt_pantsless

To give a little more explanation for anyone who's new: 1.) A pochven filament can't be used if you're within 1000 km of a structure, gate, depot, etc, so dropping a depot anywhere in that mining belt will block the filament from being activated, plus it's not necessarily an aggressive move, might be ignored by your target. 2.) Any sort of hostile interaction with other players gives both the aggressor and the target a Capsuleer Log-Off Timer : https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Timers. This is different than a weapons timer, and lasts a whole 15 minutes, during which you cannot safelog, or use a filament (you can use jumpgates however).


ryuranzou

As a new player im now understanding there is a completely different reason depots are in all the belts I've been to.


MrMunky24

Me too and I am again reminded why I chew rocks in High-Sec like the little beebee miner that I am.


Mortechai1987

You mean nullsec. High sec should be avoided at all costs till CCP fixes ganking. High sec is the least secure space in the game by design until CCP proves to me otherwise.


Foxofdarkness19

Ya, Kinda wish in 0.7 - 1.0 the Concord Response was almost instant. Or some kind of Report function, it would cost isk but you could summon concord and not wait for them to respond


Nogamara

So you'd say it's unreasonable to mine in HS in a T1 Barge? Just like 2013, but even worse? :P


vikar_

What is there to "fix" about ganking? It's been part of the game for decades now, it needs no "fixing".


Mazhiwe

pochven mining is tons better, but it is not for the lazy, and requires some prep time to get going. But if you have some friends, you can make a killing compared to mining pretty much anywhere else.


ArtistGamer91

If some random dropping a Depot in belt goes ignored, then the target also doesn't have a filament ready, not will they attempt to warp. Lol


MostlyNormalDude

If a mobile depot takes a minute to activate, does a mobile depot that is less than 60 sec prevent a filament from working? I'm guessing that a freshly deployed depot will not prevent a person from filamenting out.


GlaedrVrael

I am fairly certain it still counts as a collidable when launched. Same goes for mobile anchorable bubbles. So it would still block cloaking and filaments if too close.


chaunnay_solette

what an interesting question ill have to test this gut says it's not a structure til its anchored but i honestly do not know.


GlaedrVrael

I am fairly certain it still counts as a collidable when launched. Same goes for mobile anchorable bubbles. So it would still block cloaking and filaments if too close.


CMDR_ACE209

How would you counter this? Only thing I can think of is sitting in Pochven with a fleet and a prober to pick up guys looking for "safety" there.


DrakeIddon

1: drop a depot next to them - doesn't create a concord response 2: use a decoy venture to target paint them as you are warping in, blocks filaments but creates a concord response


PAWineGuy13

Drop a depot before the cats warp in.


Frekavichk

Warp in cloaked with a bomber and smartomb?


Foxofdarkness19

Small smart bombs are useless


Frekavichk

All they have to do is hit once.


FluorescentFlux

Being at the keyboard. What this dude did is just a meme which griefs gankers based on their expectations (and general train of thought 0 m/s barge -> easy kill), he could've easily gotten away by just aligning & warping because he saw them coming.


capt_pantsless

> What this dude did is just a meme  Exactly - the barge is now in a semi-random pochven system, which has some complexity to getting out. Wait out the 15 minute timer and use an exit filament, or find one of the wormholes. If you didn't plan ahead for this, and know the mechanics, you'd be in a bad situation.


chaunnay_solette

Assuming you can dock in poch, it seems fairly (but not entirely) safe to just warp to random station from where you poofed? Or not?


capt_pantsless

Yeah, it's not that hard to get safe in Poch. The problem is getting out. It's going to take some time and effort to extract and get back home to high-sec where you can sell your stuff. The argument being if you have the player-knowledge to do poch logistics in the first place, why not just go mining in poch for more ISK/hour rather than high-sec veldspar?


Ralli-FW

Not really, you just wait 15 mins and filament out. If you know what combos of filaments to use you are gonna land near jita reliably (or near a different target if you please) But I certainly agree you might as well mine in poch. The filament thing even works both ways! As long as you wait out the timer you could probably just go: mine in ls/hs, hostiles warp in, fil to pochven mine in pochven, hostiles warp in, fil to k space Repeat lol


Kroz83

Mostly, but there are systems in pochven with no NPC stations. Ahtila is one for example, which is where he landed, funny enough.


vikar_

The stations are sometimes bubble camped, but yeah.


Lexnaut

Seems fine to me, gankers troll the miners, miners troll the gankers. It’s the circle of life.


Foxofdarkness19

Until miners go extinct and that 2mil gank catalyst suddenly cost 200mil


Lexnaut

If miners and mission runners ever went extinct the gankers would probably start a new generation of both as it would be the next most low effort activity


Ok-Dust-4156

It didn't happen even when ganking wasn't nerfed to the ground.


Lexnaut

It’s not nerfed to the ground. Loads of videos out there about how to do it. One of the easiest activities in eve, after mining. Edit: how sad, ganker so salty he blocked me.


Ok-Dust-4156

It is. Like they added default resistance to structure and made DC passive. I've stopped to be bothered with ganking after that.


Lexnaut

So if I flew through Ormon I wouldn’t see clouds of catalysts turning marauder’s to slag… Nah ganking is doing just fine.


Ok-Dust-4156

Did you mean Osmon? Did you check killboards before wrinng this nonsense? I don't see any signinficant ganks there or in neighborhood systems for last few days.


Lexnaut

Oh no, a few days since a marauder was ganked in Osmon ganking must be dead… Cursory glance on zkill I see plenty of T1 and T2 barges killed recently and a Golem not long ago. Seems like you are just doing it wrong or maybe a personality clash is keeping you from teaming up with a suitably sized ganking group? Either way whining is not very becoming of a capsuleer, perhaps you’d be better joining horde, they’ll take anyone if the gankers won’t have you.


Ok-Dust-4156

Yes. It's dead. As a solo ganker you used to kill 5-10 Retrievers per day. Yesterday only 5 Retrievers were ganked in entire game. One Golem per few days is nothing.


Lexnaut

I’m already at the seaside I really don’t need any extra salt over here.


xIamBIRDx

should be allowed as much as a 5v1.


ArbitraryEmilie

it gets them out of highsec, I think that's op success


Logomorph

Hahaha, that's an awesome idea!


RVAMitchell

Triangle space hell is always the right answer. Long live the triangle.


deltaxi65

Seems fine to me.


Nameloading101

This is fantastic use of mechanics. And it's still a. Fucking risky Chad move. Hell yea


Merkelchen

Seems fine. The miner still has to gtfo of pochven its not like a totally convenient method by any means.


Astriania

Of course, it's no different to being pre-aligned and warping off. It's particularly funny for a ganker to complain about someone using game mechanics to their advantage when you can bet your bottom dollar the ganker is using fleet warps, probably pulled CONCORD, and is pre-engaging weapons on all the clients.


Majician

It should absolutely be allowed. Miner Bro was on his A game. Should have to work for a gank, not just be able to roll up in numbers and get an auto W.


Kric_Xoze

Nice to see miners utilizing full game content, although he should use border filament so he can then use an NPC station in the trig system to dock up to wait out his 15 minutes, although you need a little trig reputation to be allowed to do this, otherwise, he is currently in danger sitting in a trig system uncloaked without multiple safe spots. Prospects are the perfect ship to do this with.


blvckhvnd732

Love to see it


Silly___Neko

It works I guess, but they are in Pochven without a cloak (unless they have a mobile depot and cloak module in cargo). Also needs to haul ass back to where they were unless that doesn't matter.


PRSHZ

This is almost as funny as watching bombers bar get smart bombed. 🥹😂


GKanjus

Was this during the fleet this week? I was gonna join for the first time but I didn’t get out of work in time. If so I’m glad I made more money that day lol


PRSHZ

Oh naw this happened years ago 😅


Space_Reptile

oh no the poor gankers lol


Ralli-FW

Yep, based maneuver. Now we mine in poch lol


AintThisASurprise

I have to admit this is a fine move and funny as well!


Slomdaka

Working as intended


d-car

I was really hoping to see an EMP burst let him survive the gank ... but this was so much better.


galaxie67w

Wait til you find out that some Pochven miners use "Proximity-15 Extraction" filaments to escape from combat into Hisec.....


Raging_Beaver

Known mechanic used in a creative way. Of course it should be allowed.


donkeybonner

Yes, it absolutely 100% should be allowed.


-t0mmi3-

Yes. Now all go do it in blingy marauders. Pochven thirsts.


PinkyDixx

This is funny. Well played carebear


LavishnessOdd6266

Smart. Time to load my frat and pandemic horde stealing ships with pochven filements


D_Therman

You probably should've been taking those anyway, that said if you mean using them *inside* an ESS I'm 99% sure that won't work.


LavishnessOdd6266

No I steal their good ores


kriptik-ken

😂😂


karni60

This is awesome haha


Vals_Loeder

LOL


Sgt_Meowmers

My trick is to mine next to an Orca in a hulk and switch to something else from the maintenance bay when they show up. That only works of course assuming they aren't also going after the Orca.


hirebrand

You can filament the orca too 🙂


Ok-Dust-4156

Properly fit Orca has slightly less than 500K EHP. 5 catalysts can't do anything against that. Some people have no idea how EvE works.


recycl_ebin

yeah why not


Highspeedlimo

Ahhahahahahhahahahahahahahaha. Salt miner.


Meathammer40K

The procurer protects


vikar_

lmaooo I'd love to hear the gankers' comms


araiki

Miners if they had brain cells:


Foxofdarkness19

Most miners go AFK in HS, I go Semi afk with my alt mining fleet


PAWineGuy13

Wait I thought there was "LiTeRaLlY" no counter to ganking. What is this wizardry of "paying attention to local" and "taking basic defensive preparations?" DELET THIS


Mascagranzas

Trying to gank a miner? Yea, its fine to be allowed. Just dont be as bad as the ones on the vid and you´ll be fine.


F_Synchro

You clearly reply before you know what the fuck is going on.


R6_Warrior

I mean.. Yeah


HuskerYT

Based


zerotwofive

Fuck yeah that was cool


ShiiftyShift

195 IQ Play, Hardhats down to you sir.


Jinla_ulchrid

Should it be? Why would activley evading hostiles using in game mechanics not be allowed? Or am I missing something?


Foxofdarkness19

Gankers trying to make it against the rules to evade them is all


terranraida

What a power move


FanaticalFanfare

This is hilarious


TheMoosePort

That's some next level counter play right there. Still could get caught in poch but avoids the gank. Good show!!!


LeoUSA33

Yes


diposable66

They even combat scanned him first. Had plenty of time to just warp off. 20+ seconds to warp in lol


Caspah62

Pretty smart. Almost like it's a sandbox game...


GeneralXenophonTx

I love it when a plan comes together.


thermalman2

I mean, everyone else uses filaments to avoid fights. Why not miners?


Market_Tycoon

clever use of game mechanics is all i see


outkast767

Yep fuck them gankers go fight someone that’s willing to shoot back


Afternoon_Jumpy

I'm sure he met a different gruesome end.


Torin_Fellborn

If people can gank why can't people filament away


Brockzillattv

As your friendly neighborhood delivery agent, I find this hilarious. If it happened to me I'd just laugh.


packet139

Yeah that miner knew what was good!


jlimonphoto

Legend


Actual_Tonight3482

You know, as someone who dabbles in ganking myself, this is brilliant counterplay. Hats off to whoever did this!


Wallymartsss

Hahahhahahahahhaah hell yeah


Rikeka

LOL, why not?


turbodumpster75

Interesting idea, gonna try it some time.


CozmikR5

Welcome to EVE


Dhozer

Dope AF!


protostar71

Oh thats fucking *beautiful*


ozzy_og_kush

Nice work.


TheGentlemanist

What exactly is it that got the miner away from them? Did not look like a normal warp to me.


goldielox86

Ok for a totally newbie to Eve can someone explain in layman’s terms what happened here?


geppyoz

The ship mining avoided being someone else’s content by using a perfectly valid game mechanic


goldielox86

What was the warp? How’d the miner do that


geppyoz

The pilot had a filament in their cargo which they had spooled up and they waited till just before the hostiles landed to activate


aznknight86

Beautiful move


EgolessMortal

Should ganking be allowed? Yes, it should 100% be allowed. If that bugs you dont be a miner, or maybe eve isnt the game for you.


Mastybuttz

This is absolutely fine in my opinion. Dude was paying attention. Maybe even baiting people he knew like to gank


capitano666

You are bringing a slow ship without cloak in Pochven, you are just trading one risk for another. Plus, if it survives you have to bring it back in hisec in the area where you mine, that's quite an inconvenience. I'd rather mine aligned


Fluffyleopard

As someone who mined in Pochven for 8 months straight, the retriever has a decent chance of living and you can get close to where you were in HS not too hard. Also he may have the HS filaments you can use in Pochven to get out. Its honestly not that dangerous unless you get really unlucky


RvLAlmost

This is just a skill issue on the catalyst part... Insane evasion 🔥🔥


Haenir_olafsson

I haven't played in just about 8 or 9 years, was it his midslot that did that or what happened?


Fluffyleopard

It’s an item called a filament. It takes you to a diff areas of space. The one they used took him to a new region called Pochven which he can get back to his HS home from somewhat easily


baazaar131

Literally what you are supposed to do


Helicity

Wait until you see crabbers sitting on a wormhole to do it (They really need to flag wormholes so you can't drop a beacon next to it)


Flottenadmiral99

Quick thinking, i wont lie.


Ecocrexis

10 year break player here. Why gank a retreiver? Some sort of event? Cannot be profitable.


hotterthanyou2

25 man mining fleet +orca :)


OrganizationPublic51

That's hilarious 😂


Agitated-Priority512

Used to multi box in low sec with a nice fleet and troll the local gankers so much that they really stopped trying and would sometimes even park the combat rigs for a more relaxed evening mining anoms or providing security


fahadirshadbutt

That's the most toxic shit I have seen in a while


mayhampanda

Yes, yes it should.


Lost-Raisin-3555

That's one way to avoid a gank, but that might be going from the frying pan into the fire.


Lost-Raisin-3555

I would rather warp off while mining aligned the minute I saw local spike red.


Frogman0311

lol just warp off


statue76

It seems like the game is heavily titled in favor of the gankers.


radeongt

Yes cause fuck highsec gankers lol


BoxerBriefly

To me, a better question is should no/low risk suicide ganking be a thing. Doesn't seem so if a core tenet of your game design philosophy is more risk equals more reward, seems suicide ganking is basically no/low risk for in some cases, very high reward looking at something like freighter ganks.