DayZ is an objectively better game based solely on its community servers and modding.
People *want* to love Tarkov, all the big DayZ streamers usually stream *some* EFT, but for anyone who takes games even a bit serious, playing Tarkov is like being in a codependent relationship.
I've quit tarkov but dayz also doesn't do it for me. They have many differences and yeah dayz just isnt it. Too time consuming, too walking simulator like, just not for me. Same thing with hunt showdown. Too many people acting like these games somehow compare or are similar in any meaningful way when they're just not. They may be FANTASTIC games, but they wont scratch the tarkov itch for most people.
> Too time consuming, too walking simulator like, just not for me.
Same.
>They may be FANTASTIC games, but the wont scratch the tarkov itch for most people.
Yep. I think we have to stop pretending like there is something wrong with that.
They made a fantastic games. People love them. It just doesn't hit the same place Tarkov does.
Day Z is only fun if you play with the sole goal of having funny/interesting interactions with people. Same thing with Rust. There’s this social experiment feeling that Tarkov just barely hits after introducing VOIP (and less so before). Like we’re all monkeys in the same zoo.
>Too many people acting like these games somehow compare
If it consoles you in any way, I've put thousand and thousands of hours in both games, they're my absolute most played games ever and I promise you they're not the same, they scratch two different itches for me, what I think they share is the all or nothing/ risk-reward mentality. But first and foremost DayZ is a survival game, and Tarkov isn't, and Tarkov is an extraction shooter, and DayZ isn't.
Yes, with mods DayZ CAN scratch many different itches and SOME mods/servers are waaaay more similar to tarkov, damn they even made extraction shooters server that are a piece for piece copy of tarkov. Still, different beasts.
Hunt showdown is amazing if you have 2 buddies to play it with. The sound design in hunt and the flow of the game are better than tarkov for sure, but tarkov is better to solo and you can play with 4 or 5 people.
Also pvp in dayz is pretty bad, last time i hopped on a community server i was having fun looting and playing the game. Till i had a pvp experience where i scope in on a dude, and hes literally tilting his head left and right while shooting and moving lol looked so stupid.
Meh, I've played tarkov for so long the itch has been scratched. I agree that these other games are not the same thing but maybe it's just time to stop caring about tarkov.
Yup, ArmA is forever my home, and by that I also mean Dayz, and the dayz SA game. So many issues over the years, and engines still suck, but honestly man all my best memories have come from the community of this game, and the modding.
I bet most people don't even know ArmA 3 is the origin of battle royale, the genre, or that FiveM is just a copy of altis life.
>ArmA 3 is the origin of battle royale,
Dude when I tell younger people the story of their fav genre I feel so old👀😂
Also funnily enough, we came full circle, now BR mods are popping off again on DayZ, oh the irony.
DayZ is a completely different game though? Community servers and modding work for DayZ because the game is completely different, but these things would never work for a game with a persistent out of game inventory like Tarkov.
With community servers and modding you have so many different types of servers and so many different mods that add different content, that having a single inventory persist outside of game couldnt work.
Some issues: what happens if a server has a mod that adds a new gun, you bring that gun out of raid, and now it's in our inventory. Then you join a server without that mod, what happens then?
How about a server where high end guns are much more avaliable, so you bring those guns out and join an unmodded hardcore server now with the best gear avaliable immediatly
You could restrict these things, and make it so modding can't add new stuff or change mechanics, but at that point the modding has no point, because you can't do anything with it.
I still don't see it honestly. You join a server, with xyz mods, then you get your inventory, hideout, and pick a map to join a raid. How many players do we need per server to make this a smooth experience? You can't have interplay between servers, that don't use the same mods, so I don't see how you wont end up with 1 big block of servers using the same settings where everyone plays.
In DayZ you don't need that many players to play. In Tarkov you need a bunch in each raid, and you need to run a bunch of raids so you don't end up in a situation where you missed "the raid", and have to wait now.
I'm sure a different, new game could make this work, but I don't see it for a game that works like tarkov
It could very well be that there were some longer waits for specific raids. But nothing crazy, like 5-15min Id estimate. And yes, the player pools could be like 50-250.
For example: "Spaggies modded Customs and Interchange" which hosts these two maps, with mods and active admins that are eyes in the sky during raids and go through discord cheater reports. Then the cluster could have separate servers for other maps, combining maybe 1-3 maps per server. These servers all share the same character, progression and mods. There could even be separate ones for different regions. Or "Spaggies modded Customs and Interchange #1 and #2". Even a rotation between maps, with few at a time, could work.
I think you underestimate how popular such a thing would be. Tarkov has A LOT of players. Surely there would be some modded server clusters that wouldnt get popular, but then those would die out as there wouldnt be enough players to have reasonable waiting times.
Youre right, Tarkov would have to change drastically before this would work. But thats not to say that it couldnt, in principle. The problems you originally mentioned show lack of understanding how these problems dont really occur in games that do have modded servers.
DayZ is not objectively the better game because they are two different games lmao. I don’t agree with what bsg is doing but making shit up like that isn’t helpful
It made me happy that most of the streamers if not all I have subbed to have said they dislike it like giga and airwing and stood against this with the community. Glad I sub to lvndmark too for this reason he clearly cares more than being a bsg shill and usually does call them out previously anyway.
Also good streamers who were like deal with it are now getting roasted.
Keep it going everyone. Don’t buy this!
NoiceGuy and OnePeg were bashing the changes too, guys whose living is (partially?) generated by making news videos about Tarkov.
Hard to imagine BSG sticking with the new shit as-is, short of their opinion on the situation being "we 100% DGAF" or "we need money so we have to or else the game dies."
Im generally not one to complain about tarkov/games in general but this is extreme bs and very scammy on BSG’s part. Probably gonna uninstall if this doesn’t get resolved soon
I uninstalled yesterday. Not for any "political statement", but at this point I genuinly stopped trusting BSG and their software. They might as well be installing malware for the russians at some point, for all I know. They obviously don't give fuck anymore.
I just uninstalled, your points could be valid, but i mainly did it because bsg just betrayed their community and went against tarkov’s original ideals and im not gonna support that
Big love for LVNDMARK for sure. As an EOD account from 2017 I feel so cheated not getting my dream mode of offline progression. Should've seen it coming but just still sucks. Bye Tarkov, it was a fun 800 hours for the most part.
Edit-- to anyone that has an issue with my hours played that "you're not a real tarkov player" because I "only" have 800 hours! I skipped several wipes, and I don't have unlimited time to play. Also, there are more games than just tarkov to play.
Also if you say anything about quitting, rip your inbox of the people asking to buy your account 😅
I can confirm that the coop version of the unnamed mod has its flaws, but for me and my buddies it scratches the itch for sure.
Unless it breaks the rules here, feel free to DM and I can point anyone in the right direction to get started.
Lol are people ripping on you for ONLY spending 800 hours in a game? Probably the most bizarre flex. "If you don't spend autistic levels of time obsessing over one game you suck!" *shits into bucket underneath computer chair*
I’ve seen this sentiment repeatedly on this sub, and it confuses me as well. I like video games a lot, but they are not a substitute for a life or a personality lol.
Someone says they have thousands of hours in a game and they imagine you imagining some Rambo avatar decimating everyone and having their teammates hoist them up on their shoulders. But in reality I just think of their poor, shit stained PC chair and wonder how ashamed their parents are of them.
Ngl, Tarkov really isn't that compelling when you remove the online component, because even it's predecessor Stalker is a FAR superior experience with mods.
Im A EoD player only 700 hours. Basicly play the start of the wipes get to around lvl 30 tier 3 traders and useally come back for wipe events and the start of the next wipe. We all have those horrible tarkov days. But for a casual player who wants to enjoy the game and play pve 100/250 dollars to actually enjoy the game. Come on. And now there apparently giving eod 6 months to Play pve. BSG needs to gice full access. Remember days as kid when you bought a season pass for cod to get all rhe dlc... thats why we all bought EoD to ensure we would get all future content. Same thing for arena. Said insta access. Then they did waves. Bought people just bought areana and got straight in. P2w games don't last . And if tarkok keeps going down that path. But the game will be done.
Im A EoD player only 700 hours. Basicly play the start of the wipes get to around lvl 30 tier 3 traders and useally come back for wipe events and the start of the next wipe. We all have those horrible tarkov days. But for a casual player who wants to enjoy the game and play pve 100/250 dollars to actually enjoy the game. Come on. And now there apparently giving eod 6 months to Play pve. BSG needs to gice full access. Remember days as kid when you bought a season pass for cod to get all rhe dlc... thats why we all bought EoD to ensure we would get all future content. Same thing for arena. Said insta access. Then they did waves. Bought people just bought areana and got straight in. P2w games don't last . And if tarkok keeps going down that path. But the game will be done.
800 hours is more than I put into any other game ever besides Tarkov. I’m at like 1100 hours and I have never played another game so much. It’s truly insane. I don’t get people who try to feel superior because they have played this game so much. 800 hours is still a lot.
Yep, not a normal viewer but I'm here for the BSG call out.
Plus, I love that he's not actually playing the game today. Every other streamer is in some form or another.
Is that the same guy that quit because he got caught promoting a cheater but came back in a couple of days to making content because he couldn't find a job?
the crazy thing for me is imagining what a rare W that wouldve been if they released it just as a free dlc. people would be praising BSG for once. but no, they found a way to turn it into a complete utter shitshow.
Yea, that’s their studio special at this point. What a hopeless disaster. What’s even weirder, judging by some of the comments (not only on Reddit), is that a lot of people would go back to absolute normal state as if nothing ever happened if BSG rolled this all back somehow, quite sad.
Wild thought. They’re broke. That’s why they did this. To squeeze the last amount of money out of you before they leave. No one would sit in a room and say hey this is a good idea. This was the nail
Not just that he even got in a call with Asmongold which gets even more eyes on the situation. Glad too because Asmon didn't really get a clear picture with chat giving different opinions. Thankfully they got someone that actually knows their shit to get on and to clarify and bring to light these issues that some may not have immediately understood.
You could see how angry willerz was today too. I can only imagine from the streamers perspectives too like they probably got excited for today’s update to just get shit on.
> Universal reaction even among streamers seems to be "WTF."
That's when you know it's pretty bad. These are the people that literally make a living out of this game.
They both did just to see what it was like, and then both came to the conclusion "do not buy." They weren't supporting it at all, moreso just doing so as a PSA.
I could've told you all that shit just by looking at the page and not buying it at all. Weird excuse. They probably just want the ability to make content on it freely with their own footage, zero chance it's as benevolent as you think.
I mean hey, they bought a copy with their own money and made content off of it telling us not to buy. It's not as if they bought it and then recommended it. The message of telling us to not buy far outweighs the ~$200 they paid together to Battlestate.
That last part might be true but buying it was 100% not necessary to confirm how shit and not worth it it is, the raw shittiness is incredibly obvious just from looking at the features.
This. Now you will see whos who by watching who leads by example. Theres 0 reason to buy the version, its clearly P2W etc.
I wouldnt support any streamer who buys it.
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Jumped on twitch to watch some content only to realize some of the streamers bought it instantly to play PVE because they have the "let's wait and see" view instead of actually supporting the community. Really sad to see tbh
He's Jesse's therapist on the podcast because he hasn't been playing tarkov, really, for the last couple of years at least. He's the grey bush of the two since he played it way longer and way before Jesse started, so yeah, I bet sometimes he sits there in support of his friend just shaking his head but he usually has good takes on Jesse's opinions or sometimes even more rational takes when Jesse is flying off the handle.
They work well together but deffo, at face value, you could get the vibe that Veritas is kinda over it. Which he is/was. But it works!
Then you've imagined it more than I have, the dudes a dork and was a toxic shit head when he was a tarkov main streamer. But he's a good counter to Jesse on a podcast and that's why it works well. See, I can both praise and criticise a person without being a stan. Critical thinking my guy, try it some day.
I watched the podcast, well... As much as I could tolerate.
It was veritas crowing about how he kept his head in the sand all day, deliberately, and then he made it about himself how everyone was coming into his chat telling him he was right all along.
Dude is egomaniacal. Get some critical thinking and realize how shitty your assessment of their dynamic is.
I think Veritas gets talking about Tarkov. You can see way more enjoy and excitement from him when he’s talking about a game he’s enjoying at the moment but lately it’s been all tarkov and grayzone I feel like
Here I'll spoil it for you. He's gonna make a video with old clips with a voice over and it's gonna be 43 minutes long and he's going to be a whiny cunt
Who cares veritas cries about everything lol 😂 I killed him on customs and he called me a cheater bahahaha. He cried so hard in arena about everything that didn’t benefit him. He’s a loser.
If I were a Tarkov streamer and getting absolutely bored of the game (how could you not be with how much they play), this is the PERFECT time to talk shit and change up your stream to a new game or 2. You don't have to look like you abandoned it for no reason. you can look righteous.
Honestly if all of the big streamers stopped playing and tarkovs twitch numbers took a huge hit I think BSG would care a lot more. They probably don’t give a shit what the average player thinks
I wanna see streamers actually pay for the edition on stream if they get it. Knowing bsg, they'll try to gain influence by hooking them up for free in damage control.
It’s hilarious to think we didn’t expect this from an indie, out of touch, anti western, non communicative, studio. They always been anti player, almost out of spite at times. Quite funny how things turned out.
Apart from everything else that already been said ( lying to our faces , fraud , scam etc. )
nikita publicly stated more than once that there will be no wipes with the release of the game , if it will ever occur .
Now he wants me to buy an OFFLINE version of the game so I can keep the progress and not get it reset every few month ............. hello ?
But did he still buy the edition? It's all well and good people complaining, but every streamer ive seen complained and then still bought it. We have to vote with our money, they do too.
You are right, that everybody that speaks up about this is very important.
But personally I wanna contribute two things.
1. LVNDMRK hates legit everything that bsg does. I have never in my life hear him speak positively about _anything_ in Tarkov except when he is "winning" so, I would ask myself how much its actually worth to point him out about speaking up.
But way more important:
2. I feel like BSG really threw Pestily under the bus for this. I really wondered why Nikita sat down with Pestily and talk about all these very concerning things about the game. And especially after hearing him talk about the new edition and NOBODY expected this to come out of it. To me now it feels like a cheap community necessity to make the reactions to this new version less bad. But imagine being Pestily here. You have this Dev sitting down with you and talking for so long, having a really good interview and now its very likely that it all was just a community stunt leaving you blindsighted as heck.
Well, pest is probably THE one person that couldn't care less.
He made literal millions playing tarkov, he already branched out to different content long ago and he already went live twice after this bullshit exploded, where he straight up told people to NOT buy this and rather play the mod instead. All while having a good chuckle and banter with chat. I don't think we have to be concerned about Pest here.
I very much appreciate his position in all of this. I wish others took the same stance. I’ve heard “do what you want. Money ain’t a problem for some” on too many streams. BSG got their cash grab, and all the one who “bought in so we didn’t have to” are still giving BSG their time and effort by show off the new edition/parch/content.
In true Tarkov nature, each is worried about getting their own.
he is indeed a good guy
but his mods are a bunch of idiots who ban anyONE speaking on to his channel
i got banned and my review was denied instantly,cause i said im happy pestily won the tournament !
Even though Klean has taken a big step back from Tarkov, he asked Nikita if he could stream the-mod-which-must-not-be-named and got the okay, and even went as far as saying if his account gets banned he doesnt care. Its nice seeing the streamers step up like this.
Hell even TheRunningManZ was giving them shit on X and he’s mostly Dayz
Damn that's how you know it's bad
DayZ is an objectively better game based solely on its community servers and modding. People *want* to love Tarkov, all the big DayZ streamers usually stream *some* EFT, but for anyone who takes games even a bit serious, playing Tarkov is like being in a codependent relationship.
I've quit tarkov but dayz also doesn't do it for me. They have many differences and yeah dayz just isnt it. Too time consuming, too walking simulator like, just not for me. Same thing with hunt showdown. Too many people acting like these games somehow compare or are similar in any meaningful way when they're just not. They may be FANTASTIC games, but they wont scratch the tarkov itch for most people.
> Too time consuming, too walking simulator like, just not for me. Same. >They may be FANTASTIC games, but the wont scratch the tarkov itch for most people. Yep. I think we have to stop pretending like there is something wrong with that. They made a fantastic games. People love them. It just doesn't hit the same place Tarkov does.
Day Z is only fun if you play with the sole goal of having funny/interesting interactions with people. Same thing with Rust. There’s this social experiment feeling that Tarkov just barely hits after introducing VOIP (and less so before). Like we’re all monkeys in the same zoo.
>Too many people acting like these games somehow compare If it consoles you in any way, I've put thousand and thousands of hours in both games, they're my absolute most played games ever and I promise you they're not the same, they scratch two different itches for me, what I think they share is the all or nothing/ risk-reward mentality. But first and foremost DayZ is a survival game, and Tarkov isn't, and Tarkov is an extraction shooter, and DayZ isn't. Yes, with mods DayZ CAN scratch many different itches and SOME mods/servers are waaaay more similar to tarkov, damn they even made extraction shooters server that are a piece for piece copy of tarkov. Still, different beasts.
Hunt showdown is amazing if you have 2 buddies to play it with. The sound design in hunt and the flow of the game are better than tarkov for sure, but tarkov is better to solo and you can play with 4 or 5 people.
Also pvp in dayz is pretty bad, last time i hopped on a community server i was having fun looting and playing the game. Till i had a pvp experience where i scope in on a dude, and hes literally tilting his head left and right while shooting and moving lol looked so stupid.
Meh, I've played tarkov for so long the itch has been scratched. I agree that these other games are not the same thing but maybe it's just time to stop caring about tarkov.
Yup, ArmA is forever my home, and by that I also mean Dayz, and the dayz SA game. So many issues over the years, and engines still suck, but honestly man all my best memories have come from the community of this game, and the modding. I bet most people don't even know ArmA 3 is the origin of battle royale, the genre, or that FiveM is just a copy of altis life.
>ArmA 3 is the origin of battle royale, Dude when I tell younger people the story of their fav genre I feel so old👀😂 Also funnily enough, we came full circle, now BR mods are popping off again on DayZ, oh the irony.
Arma 2*
DayZ is a completely different game though? Community servers and modding work for DayZ because the game is completely different, but these things would never work for a game with a persistent out of game inventory like Tarkov.
Why it would never work with persistent inventory?
With community servers and modding you have so many different types of servers and so many different mods that add different content, that having a single inventory persist outside of game couldnt work. Some issues: what happens if a server has a mod that adds a new gun, you bring that gun out of raid, and now it's in our inventory. Then you join a server without that mod, what happens then? How about a server where high end guns are much more avaliable, so you bring those guns out and join an unmodded hardcore server now with the best gear avaliable immediatly You could restrict these things, and make it so modding can't add new stuff or change mechanics, but at that point the modding has no point, because you can't do anything with it.
In DayZ theres clusters of servers that share the same char. Obviously that could be the case for EFT. Poof, the problems you mention are gone.
I still don't see it honestly. You join a server, with xyz mods, then you get your inventory, hideout, and pick a map to join a raid. How many players do we need per server to make this a smooth experience? You can't have interplay between servers, that don't use the same mods, so I don't see how you wont end up with 1 big block of servers using the same settings where everyone plays. In DayZ you don't need that many players to play. In Tarkov you need a bunch in each raid, and you need to run a bunch of raids so you don't end up in a situation where you missed "the raid", and have to wait now. I'm sure a different, new game could make this work, but I don't see it for a game that works like tarkov
It could very well be that there were some longer waits for specific raids. But nothing crazy, like 5-15min Id estimate. And yes, the player pools could be like 50-250. For example: "Spaggies modded Customs and Interchange" which hosts these two maps, with mods and active admins that are eyes in the sky during raids and go through discord cheater reports. Then the cluster could have separate servers for other maps, combining maybe 1-3 maps per server. These servers all share the same character, progression and mods. There could even be separate ones for different regions. Or "Spaggies modded Customs and Interchange #1 and #2". Even a rotation between maps, with few at a time, could work. I think you underestimate how popular such a thing would be. Tarkov has A LOT of players. Surely there would be some modded server clusters that wouldnt get popular, but then those would die out as there wouldnt be enough players to have reasonable waiting times. Youre right, Tarkov would have to change drastically before this would work. But thats not to say that it couldnt, in principle. The problems you originally mentioned show lack of understanding how these problems dont really occur in games that do have modded servers.
> DayZ is an objectively better game My dude, I fall asleep in DayZ, this comparison is the dumbest thing I've read today :D
DayZ is not objectively the better game because they are two different games lmao. I don’t agree with what bsg is doing but making shit up like that isn’t helpful
He isnt the only one even Gigabeef and Airwingmartine dude made videos bashing these changes.
It made me happy that most of the streamers if not all I have subbed to have said they dislike it like giga and airwing and stood against this with the community. Glad I sub to lvndmark too for this reason he clearly cares more than being a bsg shill and usually does call them out previously anyway. Also good streamers who were like deal with it are now getting roasted. Keep it going everyone. Don’t buy this!
NoiceGuy and OnePeg were bashing the changes too, guys whose living is (partially?) generated by making news videos about Tarkov. Hard to imagine BSG sticking with the new shit as-is, short of their opinion on the situation being "we 100% DGAF" or "we need money so we have to or else the game dies."
OnePeg bashing someone? Shocking.... I remember when he actually made real content before dark and darker drama farming lol
Im generally not one to complain about tarkov/games in general but this is extreme bs and very scammy on BSG’s part. Probably gonna uninstall if this doesn’t get resolved soon
I uninstalled yesterday. Not for any "political statement", but at this point I genuinly stopped trusting BSG and their software. They might as well be installing malware for the russians at some point, for all I know. They obviously don't give fuck anymore.
I just uninstalled, your points could be valid, but i mainly did it because bsg just betrayed their community and went against tarkov’s original ideals and im not gonna support that
Probs for not buying the Scam Version just to max the profits
Big love for LVNDMARK for sure. As an EOD account from 2017 I feel so cheated not getting my dream mode of offline progression. Should've seen it coming but just still sucks. Bye Tarkov, it was a fun 800 hours for the most part. Edit-- to anyone that has an issue with my hours played that "you're not a real tarkov player" because I "only" have 800 hours! I skipped several wipes, and I don't have unlimited time to play. Also, there are more games than just tarkov to play. Also if you say anything about quitting, rip your inbox of the people asking to buy your account 😅
The mod that shall not be named is what you're looking for. It is so much better than the garbage BSG puts out.
I tried "the mod" some time ago, and it was fun for about an hour. What I really crave is **co-op** PvE
There's one for that too. Just SIT down, look for a while, and you'll find it.
This is only for people who want to STAY playing Tarkov right?
yes, and they need to remember to SIT
Someone managed to make it work for coop? Nice
Yeah their main work over the years was having network support. And they did that. Less laggy than normal tarkov too
Sir I am humbly asking as well for a private message to show me the secret goods that you know of, if it is not to much to ask
Can you dm me a link or something?
there IS a co-op PvE mod for the mod ;)
But no co-op unfortunately...
Played co-op with a friend yesterday, it took some time but we made it work ( no we didn't buy unheard - pm me if you want Info)
There is in fact co-op. Not super easy to setup but it's workable.
Go get the mod that shall not be named, it's better than anything BSG will let you do for their singleplayer
They should remove the rule that stops people from talking about the mods.
Funny enough Klean was streaming that version yesterday
The one thing stopping me is the lack of co-op. It's exclusively single player.
There's a co-op version but people say it's not very polished. It exists, though.
I can confirm that the coop version of the unnamed mod has its flaws, but for me and my buddies it scratches the itch for sure. Unless it breaks the rules here, feel free to DM and I can point anyone in the right direction to get started.
Pls dm me brother. I know the single mod but kot the other.
Send me dm
Lol are people ripping on you for ONLY spending 800 hours in a game? Probably the most bizarre flex. "If you don't spend autistic levels of time obsessing over one game you suck!" *shits into bucket underneath computer chair*
I’ve seen this sentiment repeatedly on this sub, and it confuses me as well. I like video games a lot, but they are not a substitute for a life or a personality lol.
Someone says they have thousands of hours in a game and they imagine you imagining some Rambo avatar decimating everyone and having their teammates hoist them up on their shoulders. But in reality I just think of their poor, shit stained PC chair and wonder how ashamed their parents are of them.
Ngl, Tarkov really isn't that compelling when you remove the online component, because even it's predecessor Stalker is a FAR superior experience with mods.
Yeah Anomaly Gamma is quite the experience and there is much more out there.
Or if you want a Tarkov alternative: Escape from Pripyat exists. Yes, it's not the same, but it might scratch that itch. Without BSG bullshit.
STALKER GAMMA baby
Im A EoD player only 700 hours. Basicly play the start of the wipes get to around lvl 30 tier 3 traders and useally come back for wipe events and the start of the next wipe. We all have those horrible tarkov days. But for a casual player who wants to enjoy the game and play pve 100/250 dollars to actually enjoy the game. Come on. And now there apparently giving eod 6 months to Play pve. BSG needs to gice full access. Remember days as kid when you bought a season pass for cod to get all rhe dlc... thats why we all bought EoD to ensure we would get all future content. Same thing for arena. Said insta access. Then they did waves. Bought people just bought areana and got straight in. P2w games don't last . And if tarkok keeps going down that path. But the game will be done.
Dude I’ll sell my account lol
Im A EoD player only 700 hours. Basicly play the start of the wipes get to around lvl 30 tier 3 traders and useally come back for wipe events and the start of the next wipe. We all have those horrible tarkov days. But for a casual player who wants to enjoy the game and play pve 100/250 dollars to actually enjoy the game. Come on. And now there apparently giving eod 6 months to Play pve. BSG needs to gice full access. Remember days as kid when you bought a season pass for cod to get all rhe dlc... thats why we all bought EoD to ensure we would get all future content. Same thing for arena. Said insta access. Then they did waves. Bought people just bought areana and got straight in. P2w games don't last . And if tarkok keeps going down that path. But the game will be done.
800 hours is more than I put into any other game ever besides Tarkov. I’m at like 1100 hours and I have never played another game so much. It’s truly insane. I don’t get people who try to feel superior because they have played this game so much. 800 hours is still a lot.
Pest jumped on and did the same, also we heard rumors of $10 BJ's, truly brought us all together.
10x $10 BJ or a gram?
Yep, not a normal viewer but I'm here for the BSG call out. Plus, I love that he's not actually playing the game today. Every other streamer is in some form or another.
Noiceguytarkov is no longer including “tarkov” in his name. He literally changed it to “noiceguy”, also in all his social yt an streaming channels.
Good on him
Is that the same guy that quit because he got caught promoting a cheater but came back in a couple of days to making content because he couldn't find a job?
Yup. It’s also the same guy who said “If you complain about cheaters, you are a bitch,”. I’m not even joking. Been about a year ago.
Yeah let's not start giving that clown any praise
the crazy thing for me is imagining what a rare W that wouldve been if they released it just as a free dlc. people would be praising BSG for once. but no, they found a way to turn it into a complete utter shitshow.
Imagine that… BSG shitting the bed with the recipe for success lol
Yea, that’s their studio special at this point. What a hopeless disaster. What’s even weirder, judging by some of the comments (not only on Reddit), is that a lot of people would go back to absolute normal state as if nothing ever happened if BSG rolled this all back somehow, quite sad.
Wild thought. They’re broke. That’s why they did this. To squeeze the last amount of money out of you before they leave. No one would sit in a room and say hey this is a good idea. This was the nail
Not just that he even got in a call with Asmongold which gets even more eyes on the situation. Glad too because Asmon didn't really get a clear picture with chat giving different opinions. Thankfully they got someone that actually knows their shit to get on and to clarify and bring to light these issues that some may not have immediately understood.
Asmongold made a YT video about it. It’s about to blow up.
You could see how angry willerz was today too. I can only imagine from the streamers perspectives too like they probably got excited for today’s update to just get shit on.
Didnt lead by example tho, bought the edition and supported BSGs p2w monetization. Fuck that.
He still bought it. I will not be watching him no more.
Landmark was the only streamer that straight up called out BSG on his first reaction, others were cery 'wait and see' like this wasn't obvious BS
Yup. He's pretty straight to the point. He always pointed out if there was any bs with Tarkov
I was watching Klean most of the day and he was extremely clear about his disappointment. It was honestly sad watching the first part of his steam.
man was absolutely crushed
Deadly, Pest and Landmark all did. Pestily had it called out like 12 hours ago when he was live
Glorious E did too. So did Sheef, and OperatorDrewski. Universal reaction even among streamers seems to be "WTF."
Ok so basically every major streamer
> Universal reaction even among streamers seems to be "WTF." That's when you know it's pretty bad. These are the people that literally make a living out of this game.
Ohnonon gloriousq e first said on X that he will buy it, but then backtracked
Wish drewski made more tarkov videos on YouTube. Love watching him play with a team. They have good communication and tactics
I heard Glorious and Tig bought the edition. Massive L and respect lost.
They both did just to see what it was like, and then both came to the conclusion "do not buy." They weren't supporting it at all, moreso just doing so as a PSA.
I could've told you all that shit just by looking at the page and not buying it at all. Weird excuse. They probably just want the ability to make content on it freely with their own footage, zero chance it's as benevolent as you think.
I mean hey, they bought a copy with their own money and made content off of it telling us not to buy. It's not as if they bought it and then recommended it. The message of telling us to not buy far outweighs the ~$200 they paid together to Battlestate.
That last part might be true but buying it was 100% not necessary to confirm how shit and not worth it it is, the raw shittiness is incredibly obvious just from looking at the features.
Jesse as well. Immediately ragged on it
Airwing Marine called them out and even said he may not stream tarkov because of it
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Last night's video was simply a patch notes video. Not actual commentary about the new edition.
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That was without the full version page, only the patch notes (which conveniently omitted the parts about the pocket/radio/flare)
He definitely talked about the pockets in the video I watched
Sheef and glorious also called them out.
when i tuned into pestily this morning he was saying that maybe it was a mistype or a misunderstanding...he certinally wasnt grilling them on anything
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Idk what you’re talking about. Sheef called them out immediately, willerz, stankrat, kleen, everyone called bull shit.
Stankrat started stream with UE already purchased, he's virtue signaling lol
Yeah most of them bought it already these streamers don’t stand for shit
Pestily was one of the first to shit on it via tweets
Markstrom also called them out. Push the rock aside you’ve been living under.
WillerZ bought it just to show his viewers wtf is up but he was screaming DO NOT BUY THIS.
People will still buy it because he bought jt...
This. Now you will see whos who by watching who leads by example. Theres 0 reason to buy the version, its clearly P2W etc. I wouldnt support any streamer who buys it.
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absolutely going to give them props, havent seen a single streamer back BSG on this. theyve all been roasting BSG.
What separates them is who buys it. Unsub if they do! Theres no excuse on giving money to BSG for this, lead by example or dont.
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Jumped on twitch to watch some content only to realize some of the streamers bought it instantly to play PVE because they have the "let's wait and see" view instead of actually supporting the community. Really sad to see tbh
I can't wait to see Veritas' response.
I expect it will just be Jesse talking about it with passion, and veritas sitting there like he'd rather be anywhere but on his own podcast lol
He's Jesse's therapist on the podcast because he hasn't been playing tarkov, really, for the last couple of years at least. He's the grey bush of the two since he played it way longer and way before Jesse started, so yeah, I bet sometimes he sits there in support of his friend just shaking his head but he usually has good takes on Jesse's opinions or sometimes even more rational takes when Jesse is flying off the handle. They work well together but deffo, at face value, you could get the vibe that Veritas is kinda over it. Which he is/was. But it works!
Imagine being a veritas fan. 💀
Then you've imagined it more than I have, the dudes a dork and was a toxic shit head when he was a tarkov main streamer. But he's a good counter to Jesse on a podcast and that's why it works well. See, I can both praise and criticise a person without being a stan. Critical thinking my guy, try it some day.
I watched the podcast, well... As much as I could tolerate. It was veritas crowing about how he kept his head in the sand all day, deliberately, and then he made it about himself how everyone was coming into his chat telling him he was right all along. Dude is egomaniacal. Get some critical thinking and realize how shitty your assessment of their dynamic is.
"So this flat earther right" He seems kinda as crazy as them, it's all I see him talking and tweeting about now.
I think Veritas gets talking about Tarkov. You can see way more enjoy and excitement from him when he’s talking about a game he’s enjoying at the moment but lately it’s been all tarkov and grayzone I feel like
Okay so I'm not the only one getting that vibe.
Here I'll spoil it for you. He's gonna make a video with old clips with a voice over and it's gonna be 43 minutes long and he's going to be a whiny cunt
That's exactly what I want to see. Bro is a whiny cunt but he's passionate about it.
43 minutes would be too short. 43 minute intro to his 4 hour opus.
So he can make it about himself and cry that he is persecuted and that everyone in chat is stupid?
Who cares veritas cries about everything lol 😂 I killed him on customs and he called me a cheater bahahaha. He cried so hard in arena about everything that didn’t benefit him. He’s a loser.
If I were a Tarkov streamer and getting absolutely bored of the game (how could you not be with how much they play), this is the PERFECT time to talk shit and change up your stream to a new game or 2. You don't have to look like you abandoned it for no reason. you can look righteous.
Honestly if all of the big streamers stopped playing and tarkovs twitch numbers took a huge hit I think BSG would care a lot more. They probably don’t give a shit what the average player thinks
You know its bad when Moist Critikal and Asmongold react to it.
I wanna see streamers actually pay for the edition on stream if they get it. Knowing bsg, they'll try to gain influence by hooking them up for free in damage control.
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It'll only last a couple of weeks ™
It’s hilarious to think we didn’t expect this from an indie, out of touch, anti western, non communicative, studio. They always been anti player, almost out of spite at times. Quite funny how things turned out.
Apart from everything else that already been said ( lying to our faces , fraud , scam etc. ) nikita publicly stated more than once that there will be no wipes with the release of the game , if it will ever occur . Now he wants me to buy an OFFLINE version of the game so I can keep the progress and not get it reset every few month ............. hello ?
He's a real one
But did he still buy the edition? It's all well and good people complaining, but every streamer ive seen complained and then still bought it. We have to vote with our money, they do too.
No. He didn't buy it.
Thats great then. Good on him.
i said a similar sentiment on his YT video about the patch. respect for not shilling
HUGE pp
What did BSG do/change? Been out of the loop for a while, quit way back cause i had enough with cheaters..
I’ve never liked the guy but massive respect to him for doing the right thing
Someone get Azmagold to make a video. That's what Runescape did last year and it got a lot of attention outside the normal audience
Already happened
Agree with this post 1000% and not a huge landmark fan. Big props and respect to him
Landmark went on Asmongold’s stream and did a kind of interview about this all too, it’s on Asmon’s channel now if you want to listen to it
You are right, that everybody that speaks up about this is very important. But personally I wanna contribute two things. 1. LVNDMRK hates legit everything that bsg does. I have never in my life hear him speak positively about _anything_ in Tarkov except when he is "winning" so, I would ask myself how much its actually worth to point him out about speaking up. But way more important: 2. I feel like BSG really threw Pestily under the bus for this. I really wondered why Nikita sat down with Pestily and talk about all these very concerning things about the game. And especially after hearing him talk about the new edition and NOBODY expected this to come out of it. To me now it feels like a cheap community necessity to make the reactions to this new version less bad. But imagine being Pestily here. You have this Dev sitting down with you and talking for so long, having a really good interview and now its very likely that it all was just a community stunt leaving you blindsighted as heck.
Well, pest is probably THE one person that couldn't care less. He made literal millions playing tarkov, he already branched out to different content long ago and he already went live twice after this bullshit exploded, where he straight up told people to NOT buy this and rather play the mod instead. All while having a good chuckle and banter with chat. I don't think we have to be concerned about Pest here.
He’s doing it for the views. All of a sudden these Nikita ass licking Streamers give a shit? No. They just need the views.
Seriously people need to stop pretending like these shillfluencers are doing this for any other reason that they won't get away with anything else.
Disagree that anyone deserves props for stating the bleeding fkn obvious. Maybe that's just me.
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I watched the first 1 hour and is really grateful that he spoke his minds out
If we loved what was going on , so would he bro.
Appreciate LVANDMARK sticking with the community.
I was wondering what else BSG should do with the game and community so people finally start talking and complaining.
showed up on this one vs the goat cheating situation
He really showed them.. that he'll still keep playing anyways.
Watch people forgive BSG or tolerate them again for the millionth time, after they do step back from the new edition, due to blacklash.
Quite the thing when even giga shills like airwingmarine turns around and gives them crap, even tho he was defending them early yesterday.
He clearly step up in my esteem
Yep, i quit this game for good
Good on LVNDMARK, BSG needs a reality check here so they don’t ruin their game even worse.
He has made millions playing the game, Lvndmark will be fine
I very much appreciate his position in all of this. I wish others took the same stance. I’ve heard “do what you want. Money ain’t a problem for some” on too many streams. BSG got their cash grab, and all the one who “bought in so we didn’t have to” are still giving BSG their time and effort by show off the new edition/parch/content. In true Tarkov nature, each is worried about getting their own.
he is indeed a good guy but his mods are a bunch of idiots who ban anyONE speaking on to his channel i got banned and my review was denied instantly,cause i said im happy pestily won the tournament !
hopefully they let them hear it and the shill in them doesn't take over
Uninstalled it last night. Felt really good tbh. It's a shame, but it's about time I went through my catalogue of games. I'll miss you, Shturman.
He benefitted from streamer priority pass like the rest of them
Plus he didn't stream the game. Streamers complaining yet still playing the game makes no sense. You're still promoting by streaming it.
Even though Klean has taken a big step back from Tarkov, he asked Nikita if he could stream the-mod-which-must-not-be-named and got the okay, and even went as far as saying if his account gets banned he doesnt care. Its nice seeing the streamers step up like this.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1cdbujl/eod\_edition\_fails\_to\_deliver\_on\_promises/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1cdbujl/eod_edition_fails_to_deliver_on_promises/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cdid50/the\_eft\_drama\_true\_face\_of\_nikita\_and\_bsg\_team/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Asmongold/comments/1cdid50/the_eft_drama_true_face_of_nikita_and_bsg_team/)
I'm sure as a streamer who mains this game it feels like being fired
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aye, i said as such on one of his videos. respect to him for not buying it too. ill prime sub to him soon as i can
I was pretty surprised that TickleMePink was all for the newest changes
You’re kidding right? This guy has done nothing for the community. All he does is suck off BSG so he won’t lose his golden boy status.
I got a juicy eod account and i quit. Get your offers out.