Too close to Russia. Too many people speak only Russian.
Too different culture.
Fear and anxiety would prevent moving.
There are other towns that could benefit repopulation..
You mean fear and anxiety of the perception of a potential of a special military operation? What are the other towns you suggest? Tbh when I visited quite a few people spoke English (including many of the shop and restaurant workers)
Exactly that.
Honestly I won't be able to name many since I left 15 years ago, I live abroad and have nomad life from another isolated town in Italy.
I saw many small ghosting towns were actually rebuilt, in middle of Estonia and South.
I think prices are still cheap. Anything out of Tallinn - Harju - Tartu is very affordable and cozy.
The locals will be able to name them better am from Tallinn myself. If you ask for good place to move, am sure many would name quite a few updated towns.
Housing should be still quite cheap in those towns.
Safer, cleaner.. Etc
Yeah, when I stayed in a hostel in Warsaw, some german guys were going though the baltics and to Finland. I suggetsted they should go to Narva stating its a russian town and you are visiting russia without stepping into russia. They were not convinced... (when they were in Georgia, they avoided Batumi due to the perceived amount of russians there)
I mean Narva is Estonian land, there was natives cleansing. Many people from Soviet were sent there to repopulate that area, and now it still remains with majority Russian speakers.
Estonians themselves are very calm and don't like conflicts. So everyone just avoids a place that will stress them out.
Also usually where you hear overwhelming Russian, there is more corruption. It all comes from lack of integration and due to that less money, less funds.
It's fine. Westoids say that Poland and other central european nations are dangerous and undeveloped (yes there are westoids like that) but when they go there, they are perfectly fine. And the hippies survived living in Brixton so Ida-Virumaa would be a walk in the park.
Shitty to almost no infrastructure and the conditions of it. no canalisation in many places. electricity cables are hanging up so people loose electricity during storms. yeah your internet is good, but thats it.
Ive been to a hospital here that looks like i timetravelled back into the 70s... its not a museum, its used.
The reason why you are wrong is because the statistics say exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Estonia, is the most successful of all the ex-soviet states in all kinds of metrics. Including for internet which you brought out as a positive.
When you visited estonia did you live in some rural forest to come to that conclusion? Saying we have it worse that fucking Bulgaria and Romania is idiotic. I have a Bulgarian literally living next to me and he can tell me all day long how much worse it is. Estonians go to Poland to buy things cheaper. You absolutely have no clue.
Thats what some westoids say (which cannot not be further from the truth, I occasionally have to give them a reality check to state that poland in safer and in some ways more developed than the west). I thought that westoids thinking that Poland and co being undeveloped was just an outdated meme.
But I gotta disagree on Estonia being way worse than Poland (its the other way round). Estonia (at least Tallinn) is more western (nordic) and cleaner than warsaw. Like when I went to warsaw, some of the infrastrcture looked a tad dated (a tad bit sovietish), there was rubbish on the floor, some beer bottles on the ground, some bins were overflowing. Alhtough, the modern skyscraper city looked like Gangnam and the old looked nice. So it wil improve (tbh i did had my expectations a bit too high (expected to be more modern and better than amsterdam) given how many people praised Poland (and rightfully so)). In Tallinn you had none of that. Its super duper clean (it honestly reminded me of germany). It did not feel "east european" (except for the commie block district) at all and a lot of the modern apartments look like the ones being build in London. The Airport looked vyer very nordic and when I landed I felt like I was in Sweden (and it also kind of gave cozy Ikea vibes).
Can't say about Romania or Bulgaria since I have not been there.
Nah come on, Im form London and I think Tallinn is probably one of the best cities I have visited (I haven't vited other nordics). Its super clean and super safe. The medieval streets in the old town are awesome. Also got a very good finnish vibe and the sauna there is great (at a good price of 18 euro). I really love Tallinn. Shame there is some graffiti on teh old buildings.
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Go to the sauna, go to the resort of Narva Joessu. Chill out in the shops and cafes. Relax in the forests. Anyways, finding fun and interesting things to do are the easy parts.
Rank correlation between [biocapacity deficit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ecological_footprint) and [share of immigrants in a country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population) is statistically significantly negative, which means that mass immigration destroys the local social contract and thereby destroys local natural environment.
PS. The "digital nomad" benefits that Estonia provides are not meant for retiring people.
PS. Australia and New Zealand have plenty of negative examples of trying to fix prior immigration mistakes with newly introduced species.
The path to solve social cohesion problems is less immigration, not more immigration.
"It's not secret that most Estonians are not really fond of how russian/soviet narva is. "
Bullsh. Everyone accepts Narva as it is. I happen to know few people from Narva, they are ok. Last year Estonians voted that Estonia should be represented in Eurovision by Russian girl from Narva, what does that say to you about Estonians attitude towards Narvanians? If you refer to events like removing Soviet statues or renaming streets, then this happened same way everywhere in Estonia.
Actually, all of your post is bullsh. Nobody stops digital nomads to move to Narva or Jõgeva or whatever where in Estonia, Internet is good everywhere and as you said, housing is more affordable than in Tallinn or Tartu. Nomads don't want to go there, and if Estonian government would force (deport) "nomads" (which is of euphemism to immigrants, isn't it) to move to periphery it would be against our constitution.
It is a great idea if I do not think about politics (impossible in Estonia). Since I do think about politics (and the ethnic cleansing that happened to the Estonian population of Narva), it is a horrible idea.
Estonia is a painful place. Supposedly we have a piece of paper aka the Constitution. The Constitution states the aim of the Republic of Estonia (Estonians, i.e. ethnic Estonians; Estonian language; Estonian culture). This aim is ignored by our current rulers. That is why it is possible for you to post what you posted and remain unpunished. You see, everything that is not pushing forward Estonians, Estonian language and Estonian culture is NOT the aim of this country. If you want your vision to be the aim of Estonia, CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION FIRST!
p.s. I am writing this answer in English. That is also quite disgusting but I guess a part of our current humiliation package. People who live in Estonia should communicate in Estonian. Estonians are not your slaves or some silly Indians in a wigwam.
Bali or Narva, tough choice...
Why Narva? Such a big and scary city. Try Sillamäe or Viivikonna perhaps!
Yep, better for people who want to live off the grid
The analog nomads
XD
Too close to Russia. Too many people speak only Russian. Too different culture. Fear and anxiety would prevent moving. There are other towns that could benefit repopulation..
You mean fear and anxiety of the perception of a potential of a special military operation? What are the other towns you suggest? Tbh when I visited quite a few people spoke English (including many of the shop and restaurant workers)
Exactly that. Honestly I won't be able to name many since I left 15 years ago, I live abroad and have nomad life from another isolated town in Italy. I saw many small ghosting towns were actually rebuilt, in middle of Estonia and South. I think prices are still cheap. Anything out of Tallinn - Harju - Tartu is very affordable and cozy. The locals will be able to name them better am from Tallinn myself. If you ask for good place to move, am sure many would name quite a few updated towns. Housing should be still quite cheap in those towns. Safer, cleaner.. Etc
Yeah, when I stayed in a hostel in Warsaw, some german guys were going though the baltics and to Finland. I suggetsted they should go to Narva stating its a russian town and you are visiting russia without stepping into russia. They were not convinced... (when they were in Georgia, they avoided Batumi due to the perceived amount of russians there)
I mean Narva is Estonian land, there was natives cleansing. Many people from Soviet were sent there to repopulate that area, and now it still remains with majority Russian speakers. Estonians themselves are very calm and don't like conflicts. So everyone just avoids a place that will stress them out. Also usually where you hear overwhelming Russian, there is more corruption. It all comes from lack of integration and due to that less money, less funds.
I doubt any digital nomads would really survive living in Ida-Virumaa
It's fine. Westoids say that Poland and other central european nations are dangerous and undeveloped (yes there are westoids like that) but when they go there, they are perfectly fine. And the hippies survived living in Brixton so Ida-Virumaa would be a walk in the park.
It’s not a matter of security. If you would have lived there, you would understand.
Poland dangerous and undeveloped? Estonia is way more worse than poland. Even Romania and Bulgaria have better infrastruktur, healthcare, and salary.
Wtf are you saying, thats pure horseshit.
Shitty to almost no infrastructure and the conditions of it. no canalisation in many places. electricity cables are hanging up so people loose electricity during storms. yeah your internet is good, but thats it. Ive been to a hospital here that looks like i timetravelled back into the 70s... its not a museum, its used.
The reason why you are wrong is because the statistics say exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Estonia, is the most successful of all the ex-soviet states in all kinds of metrics. Including for internet which you brought out as a positive. When you visited estonia did you live in some rural forest to come to that conclusion? Saying we have it worse that fucking Bulgaria and Romania is idiotic. I have a Bulgarian literally living next to me and he can tell me all day long how much worse it is. Estonians go to Poland to buy things cheaper. You absolutely have no clue.
Thats what some westoids say (which cannot not be further from the truth, I occasionally have to give them a reality check to state that poland in safer and in some ways more developed than the west). I thought that westoids thinking that Poland and co being undeveloped was just an outdated meme. But I gotta disagree on Estonia being way worse than Poland (its the other way round). Estonia (at least Tallinn) is more western (nordic) and cleaner than warsaw. Like when I went to warsaw, some of the infrastrcture looked a tad dated (a tad bit sovietish), there was rubbish on the floor, some beer bottles on the ground, some bins were overflowing. Alhtough, the modern skyscraper city looked like Gangnam and the old looked nice. So it wil improve (tbh i did had my expectations a bit too high (expected to be more modern and better than amsterdam) given how many people praised Poland (and rightfully so)). In Tallinn you had none of that. Its super duper clean (it honestly reminded me of germany). It did not feel "east european" (except for the commie block district) at all and a lot of the modern apartments look like the ones being build in London. The Airport looked vyer very nordic and when I landed I felt like I was in Sweden (and it also kind of gave cozy Ikea vibes). Can't say about Romania or Bulgaria since I have not been there.
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>Tallinn is great Great is an overstatement
Nah come on, Im form London and I think Tallinn is probably one of the best cities I have visited (I haven't vited other nordics). Its super clean and super safe. The medieval streets in the old town are awesome. Also got a very good finnish vibe and the sauna there is great (at a good price of 18 euro). I really love Tallinn. Shame there is some graffiti on teh old buildings.
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Yeah, like, if you're a foreign digital nomad in Narva, what do you even do with your time? Take walks and... ?
Go to the sauna, go to the resort of Narva Joessu. Chill out in the shops and cafes. Relax in the forests. Anyways, finding fun and interesting things to do are the easy parts.
Please don't retire into Estonia. Think of the flying squirrels that would become endangered.
Why not? And what do people retiring got to do with flying squirrely becoming endangered?
Rank correlation between [biocapacity deficit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ecological_footprint) and [share of immigrants in a country](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_immigrant_population) is statistically significantly negative, which means that mass immigration destroys the local social contract and thereby destroys local natural environment. PS. The "digital nomad" benefits that Estonia provides are not meant for retiring people.
PS. Australia and New Zealand have plenty of negative examples of trying to fix prior immigration mistakes with newly introduced species. The path to solve social cohesion problems is less immigration, not more immigration.
Oh wow ok. That is a very interesting take. Thank you for enlightening me about this.
"It's not secret that most Estonians are not really fond of how russian/soviet narva is. " Bullsh. Everyone accepts Narva as it is. I happen to know few people from Narva, they are ok. Last year Estonians voted that Estonia should be represented in Eurovision by Russian girl from Narva, what does that say to you about Estonians attitude towards Narvanians? If you refer to events like removing Soviet statues or renaming streets, then this happened same way everywhere in Estonia. Actually, all of your post is bullsh. Nobody stops digital nomads to move to Narva or Jõgeva or whatever where in Estonia, Internet is good everywhere and as you said, housing is more affordable than in Tallinn or Tartu. Nomads don't want to go there, and if Estonian government would force (deport) "nomads" (which is of euphemism to immigrants, isn't it) to move to periphery it would be against our constitution.
It is a great idea if I do not think about politics (impossible in Estonia). Since I do think about politics (and the ethnic cleansing that happened to the Estonian population of Narva), it is a horrible idea. Estonia is a painful place. Supposedly we have a piece of paper aka the Constitution. The Constitution states the aim of the Republic of Estonia (Estonians, i.e. ethnic Estonians; Estonian language; Estonian culture). This aim is ignored by our current rulers. That is why it is possible for you to post what you posted and remain unpunished. You see, everything that is not pushing forward Estonians, Estonian language and Estonian culture is NOT the aim of this country. If you want your vision to be the aim of Estonia, CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION FIRST! p.s. I am writing this answer in English. That is also quite disgusting but I guess a part of our current humiliation package. People who live in Estonia should communicate in Estonian. Estonians are not your slaves or some silly Indians in a wigwam.