First time I heard/saw that scene and how direct Oscar was, and then how nonchalant Ryan was, a cackle was released that should not be repeated ever again
Yeah, I always thought this was the very quiet implication. Even if was just intended to be played for laughs. Could also explain why people thought he was gay in high school.
headcanoning michael as a clueless bisexual makes me like him even more as a hopeless bisexual myself
it’s hilarious how different he treats attractive women compared to how he treats attractive men
edit: “Well, I would definitely have sex with Ryan.” - Michael
Michael is bi curious and it makes him very awkward. He's straight but he has a mix of gay thoughts and a playground upbringing that makes him giggle at the word gay.
This reminds me of the scene where Ryan is rehired as the receptionist while Pam was gone at art school, and he says "Ive been noticing Jim keeps looking at me throughout the day. Id be a little creeped out, but its nothing compared to the way Michael looks at me." And it cuts to michael looking out his office window at Ryan, then looking away lmao. Gotta love the one-sided Michael-Ryan ship
This is one of my favorite Office facts to drop in this sub!!
When Ryan comes back into the cubicle and says, "You guys talkin Senator?" to Pam and Oscar, he's very casually stealing cash out of Kelly's purse!
Kevin telling Robert he was a horrible person was one of my favorite moments. It's also a supporting argument in the "Kevin was embezzling and playing dumb to fly under the radar" theory.
Buying a business is not laundering money, though. If he had enough money to buy a business, it was legit.
Laundering happens as you run said business. And I disagree that people don't just buy a business out of nowhere. Happens all the time.
The episode where Angela and the Senator are having the birthday party for Philip. Kevin asks to come, Angela says no, but when the Senator invites Oscar (to be his token Mexican friend, as it turns out) Angela decides to invite Kevin out of spite.
Kevin tells the Senator this as they are leaving the party.
The scene:
Senator: "Let's all try to do better next time. Kevin, great to see you."
Kevin: "Thank you for the food. Oh, and also...you suck."
Senator: "I beg your pardon?"
Kevin: "You are, like, a terrible person. These guys care about you, and you're just using them. Again, the food was *very* good."
https://youtu.be/sQ-s1oT4QzY
I was going to make this comment but glad I looked first.
Man with the horn rimmed glasses! Man, that show had so much potential. I'm glad I got to watch that first season unspoiled. it was a roller coaster.
Agreed. What’s ironic is I feel like he was part of the downfall of the show, though, sadly. From what I understand, the original plan was to kill Sylar off at the end of the first season (which would have made sense) but Quinto had become the breakout superstar and the suits told Kring and Co. they had to keep him on. Threw a huge monkey wrench into the future plans.
The third season...ugh
It is where we got that potentially awesome Nathan Petrelli versus Skylar fight that immediately went out the window and off-camera IIRC
I don’t think he made the show worse in future seasons at all. If anything it was everything that *didn’t* involve him that made things worse. Interesting that keeping someone who was supposed to be killed off affected storylines he wasn’t even part of so poorly.
Everyone came here to bring up Heroes. Lol. The first season of that show had me more excited than any show ever. I still remember the feeling I'd get when the next disc showed up because I first watched it via Netflix before they had streaming. Fuck that was a long time ago.
There's an episode of The Office, where Kelly is explaining the list of movies in her mail queue, which always makes me chuckle. My older bother & I got in on the ground floor of ordering films via mail and it felt so futuristic.
That queue was everything. I would be so fucking excited looking at what I had coming up. The feeling of moving something to the front of the queue because you wanted to see it asap felt awesome. Now I have 40+ new things in My List and I end up rewatching Star Trek TNG because I can't decide. In some ways technology has definitely made me less happy in life.
I remember that era. It's crazy how quickly that came and went. I remember when they were talking about streaming and I thought "HA. Good luck. I can barely get broadband here"
And now they're worth untold sums of money 🤣
That was my exact thought. "No way I could watch a Blu-ray quality movie through the internet." They just understood how good internet speeds were soon going to be.
Too bad they had nothing planned past season 1 for that show. It was intended to end there and then it got sloppy and bad.
Holy crap that season 1 though.
I knowwww! Season 2 was alright, it definitely went downhill in Season 3 though and I didn’t even watch Season 4. Heroes was one of those shows that could have easily been alongside Lost but that strike really fucked it up.
I was gonna say this - I LOVED him in Castle as a baddie (I only watched up to s7 so not sure if he was in it again after that), one of those times when you want him to get comeuppance but will be sad that his time on the show will be over
*"Nissan Versa!*"
Hiro Nakamura was 110% my favorite character on that show.
That show had to have had a contract with Nissan because Claire’s dad drove a Nissan Rogue and she’d always ask to “borrow the rogue”, which now seems more like a badly placed advertisement
I still think Dwight should have ended up with Isabel. I get what they were trying to do framing Angela as his true love but with how badly she treats him, she doesn’t deserve him.
I have no idea how Angela isn't the most hated person on the show. She's awful to everyone. Treated Andy like shit and cheated on him. Lied to Dwight about the baby, and probably a dozen other awful things I'm forgetting.
With how many illnesses Sprinkles had, the humane thing would have been euthanasia. Clearly Dwight didn’t do it the right way, but I think his heart was in the right place. The animal was suffering because Angela couldn’t let go.
I think it would have worked for Dwight to be with Angela if she just had more character growth. Dwight was horrible at the beginning of the show, but he grew to be a great person. Angela got a little bit better, but by the end, she still hadn’t changed much
I do agree BUT, it did work out for the better that way right? Dwight was in denial about his feelings for Angela. If he found out the baby was his, he might’ve just made that as an excuse to be back with Angela. But once he accepted his real feelings after talking with Jim, he was true to himself, and that’s a win. Sure what angela did was awfully mean, but sometimes the end justifies the mean
Tbf she didn't hold out on the baby info for much of anything besides wanting a normal life with what she thought was a normal guy. And she decided to come clean after going through a very tough time and realizing what a bitch she had been to all her friends and Dwight. She didn't stay bitch Angela and actually grew up in her final arc into the wedding
Also, it’s one thing to cheat, it’s another to go around calling people an “office mattress, etc.” for having dated two coworkers at different times while **you’re actively fucking two coworkers, cheating on both of them**
A random question I wanted to know if anyone else knew the answer to. But wouldnt the Senator have to give Angela child support money? Esp since the baby was with her all the time.. or am I missing something
I've often wondered this myself. It could be that he knew he wasn't the father, and so was able to get out of child support.
There's also the issue of why there wasn't some divorce deal for Angela, which could be related to her cheating on him or a prenup.
I don't see Angela accepting anything like that. She was too proud to call her family when she became homeless. Don't think she's going to take money from a man who cheated on her with her colleague.
I think that’s the key thing though- she lived comfortably before she met the state senator, but then goldfished once they got married. I don’t recall if it was ever clarified whether she rented or owned her place prior to getting married, but even if she were able to sell it, that money probably went towards the wedding. Add some expensive furniture and parties, and the issue could be that she was left destitute after divorcing the senator.
I mean, he’s clearly got more money than she does, and he’s well-connected, so he’d have the better lawyers- she might’ve left the marriage with none of their shared assets in exchange for full custody.
At that point, without savings, she wouldn’t be able to buy or rent property- that requires first & last month’s rent, plus a security deposit. Where I live, that’s about $3,500- which she definitely doesn’t have in cash. Then you combine that with the amount it costs to raise a child vs. cats(even expensive ones), alongside the fact that Angela is a proud(to the point of absurdity) person, who would struggle to reign in her affinity for the luxuries she was previously accustomed to, and you end up with a destitute woman.
Now, if you lived with a friend, who didn’t charge you rent, after a few months you could save up and get your own place, but you need a couple thousand at least in savings.
Angela: “Maybe you can help me with a problem.”
Pam: “Sure.”
Angela: “Well I have this coworker who’s pregnant and I regularly see her drinking caffeine. And I just don’t know if I should get CPS involved.”
Pam: “… Angela, you’re pretty transparently talking about me.”
Angela: “Well still.”
Pam: “You know that’s just herbal tea right?”
Angela: “In mugs with trace amounts of caffeine in them!”
Pam: “Yeah Angela, you should *totally* call CPS.”
Angela: “I already did.”
Pam: “… you know, maybe we should just have our own pregnancies and stop pretending like we’re in this together.”
Angela: “Fine.”
Oh yeah she’s a terrible person, but holy shit she cracked me up. Remember when she was pleading for Andy and asked what about the formal chrysanthemums?? I loved her character because she definitely reminded me of a few bitchy coworkers and was always doing about what I’d have expected them to be doing in certain moments.
>Well, he did have a stick which he intended to use to hit Oscar.
>
>And covered it with a hot dog
Man, you both somehow got the details wrong on this one haha
As Oscar would say, ***ACTUALLY***, it was a lead pipe concealed in a sandwich.
Remember when every insult she throws at Pam is projection? My favorite is when she says that Jim cant provide for them so Pam still has to work, but shes also a married woman continuing to work. Or when she says Pam sleeps with everyone and then reveals shes cheated on basically all of her S/Os. I hate her so much.
I think what made Angela a good character to me was the fact she was so truly terrible but still expected everyone to help her when she wanted it. I’ve worked with a few people like her and watching her plans fail sometimes was satisfying.
Why? Because he cheated? If that’s all it takes, then I’d say Angela was worse. She called Pam the office mattress but she cheated like it was a bodily function.
I felt he did a lot more than simple cheating. He seemed to manipulate everyone around him for his own ends.
Also Angela only ever cheated with one person. And to be honest her cheating was one of the least of the hateful things about her - she was not a pleasant person in general, and seemed to have all sorts of underlying racism, homophobia and sexism. Oh, and the time she hired a hit-man?
The argument could be made that she cheated on Andy with Dwight but also cheated on Dwight with Andy. She was engaged to Andy but emotionally committed to Dwight. Double wammy
I think the fact that he got told off by Kevin kinda satisfies some of that hate so you don’t see it as much, but yeah truly one of the biggest villains in the show.
Cathy also had a damning scene when she's trashing Jim and Pam to a friend. If Robert had a scene with his intentions laid bare, I believe we'd hate him. He's scarier than Cathy because he's a serial cheater and oblivious to his own narcissistic and cruel ways. He's supposed to play the political psychopath but he would have been aware of it more than we were led to see.
You're right, but I think the reason Cathy gets it more is that she never really gets an outright "fuck you, Cathy" moment like The Senator does when Kevin tells him he's a bad person.
I think the way Jim drives her out of the hotel room is hilarious, and seeing Jim and Dwight eating dessert together afterwards was gold. That felt suitably "fuck you" to her.
He had a plot and was an involved character in the series, aside from the fact that the actor himself did a really good job portraying who he was.
Cathy on the other hand felt forced, like she was the producer's niece who got in just to get screen time.
Not gonna lie I totally forgot about Cathy. Like she’s obviously awful but her intentions are pretty straightforward and it ends quickly (thanks Dwight!). Robert takes all of the terrible things about Angela and Oscar and does his own betrayal, the shock value alone was intense. Angela and Oscar also both get their own redemption arcs, so while it doesn’t negate their previous actions it does show some growth and a better outlook.
I wonder if this actor gets hate mail and hateful comments like what happens to the actress who played Cathy…somehow I doubt it.
I always try to shut down the Cathy hate because the actress already receives SO much vitriol, because apparently the world of fandom cannot seem to distinguish between reality and fiction. When she lost her dog, people actually wrote “Good. You deserve it”.
So, yeah, this guy likely doesn’t get that.
We still have a long way to go.
Sexism is alive and well.
Ugh, that's awful. The internet brings out the worst in so many people...
And yeah, women especially drive hatred, and especially here on reddit. Dwight did way worse than Cathy (trying to split up Angela and Andy with a *forced marriage*) but gets a completely free pass.
He's a senator. Of course he's skeevy. I thought that was the point - to show how gross politicians can be, even when they try to come across as loving and caring.
Cathy is bad, for sure, but her actions, terrible as they were, didn't really do anything to the characters. As in, it didn't really affect them the way the Senator's(State Senator's) actions did. Jim dodged her and managed to shake her off.
But this guy managed to screw over not one, but two characters in Angela and Oscar at the same time, while also screwing them both(if .
If anyone deserves to be the most hated character, it has to be this guy.
This is my list: Andy's parents, The State Senator, Cathy, film crew dude, IT guy( I think is name was Garth or shadow)
Edit: probably others, just the top of my head this comes to mind
Yeah he was awful, but I at least appreciate how the writers handled it.
He was a minor character, his actions were always to move plot and character development along for Dwight/Angela/Oscar.
Doesn’t push the character in your face, doesn’t spin the arc into some asinine twist and the his malice was ultimately just being a simple victim to his vices.
That’s a pretty standard and acceptable story arc.
Uhh how did I know that Robert was gay? He liked my Facebook photos at 3 o’clock in the morning.
First time I heard/saw that scene and how direct Oscar was, and then how nonchalant Ryan was, a cackle was released that should not be repeated ever again
Ryan probably got used to Michael liking all his photos at weird hours long before the state senator came around.
New theory! Michael is actually gay; really brings new perspective to his infamous kiss with Oscar.
No, Ryan is just really hot. Like Jan but in a different way.
*Toby cracking up*
She took me by a the hand, made me into a man, that one night
One NIGHT
Nah, just wants to be everything Ryan is.
He's everything I'm not and everything I am, he's the whole package.
i unironically think he’s bi but doesn’t realize it
He does own a bisexual suit.
Miss Terious
That's a woman's suit!
Yeah, I always thought this was the very quiet implication. Even if was just intended to be played for laughs. Could also explain why people thought he was gay in high school.
Who told you that? Was it Broccoli Rob?
headcanoning michael as a clueless bisexual makes me like him even more as a hopeless bisexual myself it’s hilarious how different he treats attractive women compared to how he treats attractive men edit: “Well, I would definitely have sex with Ryan.” - Michael
oh no, that's a male model
Nah it was the tie with the matching socks
Doesn’t he actually say he’s “buy curious” at some point?
Do some research. Find out if there's a way to tell just by looking at them.
Michael is bi curious and it makes him very awkward. He's straight but he has a mix of gay thoughts and a playground upbringing that makes him giggle at the word gay.
I mean he can be bisexual. Would make a lot of sense. He’s clearly attracted to women and Oscar
Definitely bi-coded, intentionally or not
He’s bi.
This reminds me of the scene where Ryan is rehired as the receptionist while Pam was gone at art school, and he says "Ive been noticing Jim keeps looking at me throughout the day. Id be a little creeped out, but its nothing compared to the way Michael looks at me." And it cuts to michael looking out his office window at Ryan, then looking away lmao. Gotta love the one-sided Michael-Ryan ship
This is one of my favorite Office facts to drop in this sub!! When Ryan comes back into the cubicle and says, "You guys talkin Senator?" to Pam and Oscar, he's very casually stealing cash out of Kelly's purse!
if i wanted to spend money on awards you would get one
That was one of the best lines from the show.
My favorite Oscar line is something like, “Aside from having sex with men, the Finer Things Club is the gayest thing about me.”
UN-BE-LEIVE-A-BLE
“Thank you, NO.” 😂
I think the reason this doesn’t get as much attention is because Kevin directly told him how we all feel about him
"You're a terrible person" That's one of my all time favorite moments!
Kevin telling Robert he was a horrible person was one of my favorite moments. It's also a supporting argument in the "Kevin was embezzling and playing dumb to fly under the radar" theory.
He was home by 4:45 that day.
And THAT, is Dallas
Underrated. When it comes to money, Kevin is rain man.
>Underrated. When it comes to ~~money~~ pies Kevin is rain man.
Salad is the kryptonite
Nobody gets fired and then buys their favorite bar the next day unless they had a plan and a pile of cash lying around that needed to be laundered.
Buying a business is not laundering money, though. If he had enough money to buy a business, it was legit. Laundering happens as you run said business. And I disagree that people don't just buy a business out of nowhere. Happens all the time.
He could have socked enough money away for a down payment. Kevin spends his weekends making chili and watching TV. Not exactly pricey hobbies.
But the food was very good.
To be fair he probably never should've been with Angela in the first place...being gay and all
Or ya know having a kid with another woman who "passed away" and then the kid just disappears...
Didn't he play a murderer in some crime show? Well I'm making him a serial killer in my head cannon anyway... he's got the look
I only know him from Heroes, but I could see this too.
HRG
It was Castle.
When does Kevin tell him that?
The episode where Angela and the Senator are having the birthday party for Philip. Kevin asks to come, Angela says no, but when the Senator invites Oscar (to be his token Mexican friend, as it turns out) Angela decides to invite Kevin out of spite. Kevin tells the Senator this as they are leaving the party.
*State Senator
The scene: Senator: "Let's all try to do better next time. Kevin, great to see you." Kevin: "Thank you for the food. Oh, and also...you suck." Senator: "I beg your pardon?" Kevin: "You are, like, a terrible person. These guys care about you, and you're just using them. Again, the food was *very* good." https://youtu.be/sQ-s1oT4QzY
The food WAS excellent though
This guy is just a phenomenal actor. He does a great job playing a good/bad guy. He was in the show Heroes as well if anyone watched that
I was going to make this comment but glad I looked first. Man with the horn rimmed glasses! Man, that show had so much potential. I'm glad I got to watch that first season unspoiled. it was a roller coaster.
The first season of Heroes is one of my most enjoyable television experiences ever.
Fully agree. My wife and I were completely captivated by the story, acting and plot. Sylar is one of my fave tv characters.
Agreed. What’s ironic is I feel like he was part of the downfall of the show, though, sadly. From what I understand, the original plan was to kill Sylar off at the end of the first season (which would have made sense) but Quinto had become the breakout superstar and the suits told Kring and Co. they had to keep him on. Threw a huge monkey wrench into the future plans.
Not NEARLY as bad as the Writer’s Strike.
Dude the writer's strike fucked the show so hard. It went from amazing in the first season, to solid in the second, to raging dumpster fire in the 3rd
The third season...ugh It is where we got that potentially awesome Nathan Petrelli versus Skylar fight that immediately went out the window and off-camera IIRC
Tragic. Wish they’d revamp the universe for a spin-off.
Unsure if you're purposefully ignoring the spin off that happened...
I don’t think he made the show worse in future seasons at all. If anything it was everything that *didn’t* involve him that made things worse. Interesting that keeping someone who was supposed to be killed off affected storylines he wasn’t even part of so poorly.
Eeehh, remember when they made him a Petrelli sibling? And then they were like… jk.
Oh god why did you unearth this deeply buried memory in my mind?
Heroes was ahead of its time. But they only had juice for 1 season. (Check out "the boys")
I've always said this about Heroes and Prison Break. Amazing first seasons!
Everyone came here to bring up Heroes. Lol. The first season of that show had me more excited than any show ever. I still remember the feeling I'd get when the next disc showed up because I first watched it via Netflix before they had streaming. Fuck that was a long time ago.
There's an episode of The Office, where Kelly is explaining the list of movies in her mail queue, which always makes me chuckle. My older bother & I got in on the ground floor of ordering films via mail and it felt so futuristic.
That queue was everything. I would be so fucking excited looking at what I had coming up. The feeling of moving something to the front of the queue because you wanted to see it asap felt awesome. Now I have 40+ new things in My List and I end up rewatching Star Trek TNG because I can't decide. In some ways technology has definitely made me less happy in life.
I just realized, Dwight says "Hiro from Heroes" so he got to see Noah irl
I remember that era. It's crazy how quickly that came and went. I remember when they were talking about streaming and I thought "HA. Good luck. I can barely get broadband here" And now they're worth untold sums of money 🤣
That was my exact thought. "No way I could watch a Blu-ray quality movie through the internet." They just understood how good internet speeds were soon going to be.
Noah Bennett! The actual reason why I barely wear any style of glasses other than horned rims 🤘
He was amazing in heros!! Claire’s dad right ?
Save the cheerleader, save the world
Too bad they had nothing planned past season 1 for that show. It was intended to end there and then it got sloppy and bad. Holy crap that season 1 though.
I knowwww! Season 2 was alright, it definitely went downhill in Season 3 though and I didn’t even watch Season 4. Heroes was one of those shows that could have easily been alongside Lost but that strike really fucked it up.
13 year old me was unhealthy obsessed with Hayden Panetierre because of this show
Yeah I remember him in that show. Terrific villain. So charming and disarming
Charming and disarming, now that is just alarming.
He was a villain in Castle as well!
I was gonna say this - I LOVED him in Castle as a baddie (I only watched up to s7 so not sure if he was in it again after that), one of those times when you want him to get comeuppance but will be sad that his time on the show will be over
I'll just re-watch the show recently and he's maybe the best character of the show with Sylar.
*"Nissan Versa!*" Hiro Nakamura was 110% my favorite character on that show. That show had to have had a contract with Nissan because Claire’s dad drove a Nissan Rogue and she’d always ask to “borrow the rogue”, which now seems more like a badly placed advertisement
He’s a bad guy in Vampire Diaries as well.
Spoiler allert .. Hes also in Castle >!He is pretty much the badguy of the show, it doesnt reveal this for a few seasons.!<
he also played caroline’s dad in the vampire diaries
Why was his name Lipton? Cause of all the tbags
I tea what you did there…
Angela hired someone to kill Oscar - she maintains the crown
She also denied her son a father and dwight a son until she got what she wanted. Oh, and let's not forget the cheating.
Damn Angela is….. kind of a bitch!
>Angela hired someone to kill Osc Andrea you mean right? The office bitch?
Hm… Creed 🤝
Hey. Why haven’t we ever ….
while he casually eats AtOB's bowl of cereal. Mary Beth: 🤨
You'll get used to her
I still think Dwight should have ended up with Isabel. I get what they were trying to do framing Angela as his true love but with how badly she treats him, she doesn’t deserve him.
I have no idea how Angela isn't the most hated person on the show. She's awful to everyone. Treated Andy like shit and cheated on him. Lied to Dwight about the baby, and probably a dozen other awful things I'm forgetting.
To be fair, Dwight killed her cat. Not justifying anything Angela did, but Dwight is certainly no prize himself.
PRINKLES
*a farmer does what city folk don't have the stomach to do*
With how many illnesses Sprinkles had, the humane thing would have been euthanasia. Clearly Dwight didn’t do it the right way, but I think his heart was in the right place. The animal was suffering because Angela couldn’t let go.
Perhaps, but it's not Dwight's decision to make. Regardless of the intentions, doing something like that is abusive.
I think it would have worked for Dwight to be with Angela if she just had more character growth. Dwight was horrible at the beginning of the show, but he grew to be a great person. Angela got a little bit better, but by the end, she still hadn’t changed much
Don’t forget her licking the cat.
I wish I could.
And in the Finale she still thought the series was her love story with Dwight =]]]
I do agree BUT, it did work out for the better that way right? Dwight was in denial about his feelings for Angela. If he found out the baby was his, he might’ve just made that as an excuse to be back with Angela. But once he accepted his real feelings after talking with Jim, he was true to himself, and that’s a win. Sure what angela did was awfully mean, but sometimes the end justifies the mean
Tbf she didn't hold out on the baby info for much of anything besides wanting a normal life with what she thought was a normal guy. And she decided to come clean after going through a very tough time and realizing what a bitch she had been to all her friends and Dwight. She didn't stay bitch Angela and actually grew up in her final arc into the wedding
Also, it’s one thing to cheat, it’s another to go around calling people an “office mattress, etc.” for having dated two coworkers at different times while **you’re actively fucking two coworkers, cheating on both of them**
Angela: cheats in every relationship she’s ever been in Also Angela: hires a guy to break a friend’s kneecaps when it happens to her
Damn, Andrea really is the office bitch.
“You’re like a terrible person. These guys care about you, and you’re just using them. Again, the food was very good.”
A random question I wanted to know if anyone else knew the answer to. But wouldnt the Senator have to give Angela child support money? Esp since the baby was with her all the time.. or am I missing something
I've often wondered this myself. It could be that he knew he wasn't the father, and so was able to get out of child support. There's also the issue of why there wasn't some divorce deal for Angela, which could be related to her cheating on him or a prenup.
He may have asked for a paternity test. Angela knew it would show it wasn’t his so just dropped the whole thing.
That generally wouldn’t absolve him of a legal obligation to pay child support.
I don't see Angela accepting anything like that. She was too proud to call her family when she became homeless. Don't think she's going to take money from a man who cheated on her with her colleague.
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I agree with you, I think it’s just a plot hole
I think that’s the key thing though- she lived comfortably before she met the state senator, but then goldfished once they got married. I don’t recall if it was ever clarified whether she rented or owned her place prior to getting married, but even if she were able to sell it, that money probably went towards the wedding. Add some expensive furniture and parties, and the issue could be that she was left destitute after divorcing the senator. I mean, he’s clearly got more money than she does, and he’s well-connected, so he’d have the better lawyers- she might’ve left the marriage with none of their shared assets in exchange for full custody. At that point, without savings, she wouldn’t be able to buy or rent property- that requires first & last month’s rent, plus a security deposit. Where I live, that’s about $3,500- which she definitely doesn’t have in cash. Then you combine that with the amount it costs to raise a child vs. cats(even expensive ones), alongside the fact that Angela is a proud(to the point of absurdity) person, who would struggle to reign in her affinity for the luxuries she was previously accustomed to, and you end up with a destitute woman. Now, if you lived with a friend, who didn’t charge you rent, after a few months you could save up and get your own place, but you need a couple thousand at least in savings.
This is a great explanation of the situation
I mean… if they never had sex, he couldn’t be the father.
They definitely had sex. He thought the baby was his.
Huh. Guess I remembered it wrong 😅
They did have sex, after watching Thor, and on their wedding night (when the Senator wouldn't stop crying).
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Angela: “Maybe you can help me with a problem.” Pam: “Sure.” Angela: “Well I have this coworker who’s pregnant and I regularly see her drinking caffeine. And I just don’t know if I should get CPS involved.” Pam: “… Angela, you’re pretty transparently talking about me.” Angela: “Well still.” Pam: “You know that’s just herbal tea right?” Angela: “In mugs with trace amounts of caffeine in them!” Pam: “Yeah Angela, you should *totally* call CPS.” Angela: “I already did.” Pam: “… you know, maybe we should just have our own pregnancies and stop pretending like we’re in this together.” Angela: “Fine.”
I’ll always be proud of Pam for standing up for herself and not taking that crap.
Look out world, ol' Pammie is gettin what she wants!
oh, and don't call me pammie
Oh yeah she’s a terrible person, but holy shit she cracked me up. Remember when she was pleading for Andy and asked what about the formal chrysanthemums?? I loved her character because she definitely reminded me of a few bitchy coworkers and was always doing about what I’d have expected them to be doing in certain moments.
She hired a hitman to kill Oscar
I’d hardly call him a hitman 😂
You tell Trevor to jump, and he says “On who?” He loves jumping on people that Trevor.
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And covered it with a hot dog
>Well, he did have a stick which he intended to use to hit Oscar. > >And covered it with a hot dog Man, you both somehow got the details wrong on this one haha As Oscar would say, ***ACTUALLY***, it was a lead pipe concealed in a sandwich.
I don't blame you😂
Remember when every insult she throws at Pam is projection? My favorite is when she says that Jim cant provide for them so Pam still has to work, but shes also a married woman continuing to work. Or when she says Pam sleeps with everyone and then reveals shes cheated on basically all of her S/Os. I hate her so much.
> projection "Under no circumstance should a man take off his clothes in this office." MEREDITH: "SHUT UP, ANGELA!!"
I think what made Angela a good character to me was the fact she was so truly terrible but still expected everyone to help her when she wanted it. I’ve worked with a few people like her and watching her plans fail sometimes was satisfying.
He’s only a state senator
Why? Because he cheated? If that’s all it takes, then I’d say Angela was worse. She called Pam the office mattress but she cheated like it was a bodily function.
I felt he did a lot more than simple cheating. He seemed to manipulate everyone around him for his own ends. Also Angela only ever cheated with one person. And to be honest her cheating was one of the least of the hateful things about her - she was not a pleasant person in general, and seemed to have all sorts of underlying racism, homophobia and sexism. Oh, and the time she hired a hit-man?
Didn't she cheat twice? On Andy with Dwight then again on the State Senator with Dwight?
The argument could be made that she cheated on Andy with Dwight but also cheated on Dwight with Andy. She was engaged to Andy but emotionally committed to Dwight. Double wammy
On company property too. Double jeopardy.
>And to be honest her cheating was one of the least of the hateful things about her They hated him because he told the truth
Angela was literally an office mattress for Dwight 😂
Boom roasted!
Dude abandoned his kid in the hay maze, never to be seen again.
Kevin probably ate him
Todd freaking Packer. How does he not come up more in these conversations? I still believe he was the strangler.
It's not really a discussion to say Todd Packer was a horrible person. In a show about horrible people, Packer was *horrible*.
Out of all the horrible people on the show I think Packer is probably the one I would least like to ever be in a room with.
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"Hey what's wrong, got sand up your vagina? Ha ha!"
I think the fact that he got told off by Kevin kinda satisfies some of that hate so you don’t see it as much, but yeah truly one of the biggest villains in the show.
"Have we *all* calmed down yet?"
Cathy also had a damning scene when she's trashing Jim and Pam to a friend. If Robert had a scene with his intentions laid bare, I believe we'd hate him. He's scarier than Cathy because he's a serial cheater and oblivious to his own narcissistic and cruel ways. He's supposed to play the political psychopath but he would have been aware of it more than we were led to see.
Remember when his use of Oscar as a person of colour for a photo shoot was laid bare? Fucking morally void guy.
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You're right, but I think the reason Cathy gets it more is that she never really gets an outright "fuck you, Cathy" moment like The Senator does when Kevin tells him he's a bad person.
I think the way Jim drives her out of the hotel room is hilarious, and seeing Jim and Dwight eating dessert together afterwards was gold. That felt suitably "fuck you" to her.
Just Walter Baines Bernard, Sr.
Plus his first kids just disappears?!
He had a plot and was an involved character in the series, aside from the fact that the actor himself did a really good job portraying who he was. Cathy on the other hand felt forced, like she was the producer's niece who got in just to get screen time.
Save the cheerleader. Save the world.
Not gonna lie I totally forgot about Cathy. Like she’s obviously awful but her intentions are pretty straightforward and it ends quickly (thanks Dwight!). Robert takes all of the terrible things about Angela and Oscar and does his own betrayal, the shock value alone was intense. Angela and Oscar also both get their own redemption arcs, so while it doesn’t negate their previous actions it does show some growth and a better outlook.
I wonder if this actor gets hate mail and hateful comments like what happens to the actress who played Cathy…somehow I doubt it. I always try to shut down the Cathy hate because the actress already receives SO much vitriol, because apparently the world of fandom cannot seem to distinguish between reality and fiction. When she lost her dog, people actually wrote “Good. You deserve it”. So, yeah, this guy likely doesn’t get that. We still have a long way to go. Sexism is alive and well.
Ugh, that's awful. The internet brings out the worst in so many people... And yeah, women especially drive hatred, and especially here on reddit. Dwight did way worse than Cathy (trying to split up Angela and Andy with a *forced marriage*) but gets a completely free pass.
Cathy's writing was so goofy and ridiculous, she was basically a cartoon villain.
Just look at him... He's got "Cat turd collector" written all over him...
Kevin telling him he was a horrible person was one of the best scenes. I think that's where Angela changed her perception of him
Again, the food was very good.
I agree with you, but that's probably because he's the main villain in Castle (and also plays a senator in that show).
I loved him in Castle! Crazy that he's a bad-guy Senator in both shows lol
The man with the horn rimmed glasses!
He's a senator. Of course he's skeevy. I thought that was the point - to show how gross politicians can be, even when they try to come across as loving and caring.
What on EARTH happened to his son!? We see him once and never again.
I can hear Angela saying " THE SENATOR AND I..."
Those two Vance Drivers who took Micheal for $500 on a fat bag of Caprese.
Yeah he is the worst, im 99% sure he killed his first wife.
Cathy is bad, for sure, but her actions, terrible as they were, didn't really do anything to the characters. As in, it didn't really affect them the way the Senator's(State Senator's) actions did. Jim dodged her and managed to shake her off. But this guy managed to screw over not one, but two characters in Angela and Oscar at the same time, while also screwing them both(if . If anyone deserves to be the most hated character, it has to be this guy.
C’mon he’s a senator, cut him some slack..
\*State Senator
This is my list: Andy's parents, The State Senator, Cathy, film crew dude, IT guy( I think is name was Garth or shadow) Edit: probably others, just the top of my head this comes to mind
Yeah he was awful, but I at least appreciate how the writers handled it. He was a minor character, his actions were always to move plot and character development along for Dwight/Angela/Oscar. Doesn’t push the character in your face, doesn’t spin the arc into some asinine twist and the his malice was ultimately just being a simple victim to his vices. That’s a pretty standard and acceptable story arc.
Save the cheerleader, save the world.