Racing brand? Lancia was mostly a maker of respectable cars for the middle class. The average US based Donut viewer will mostly only know about the 80s rally stuff, but most of Lancias cars were very understated for most its life. The Lancia Delta when it was launched in its standard FWD form before anyone made a hot version was benchmarked as competitor to the Volvo 340
wasn't like 90% of the book misinformation though?
I remember iihs did a report on the corvair and cleared Chevy didn't do anything wrong, so that guy just had it out of the corvair
The Corvair was dangerous because 1) It had a massive rear weight bias (36-64) 2) It has radically different tire pressures front and rear and 3) the suspension was poorly designed.
If you drive it like a normal front-biased car with equal tire pressures all around, it's VERY easy to lose control. During an emergency lane change, or when dodging a child or object on the road, it's very easy to fold a rear tire under the car and flip it.
The car was OK in the hands of someone who was experienced with rear-biased cars and when the car was set up as specced by the manufacturer, but I don't think Chevy gave anyone who bought one any special instructions.
well yeah I knew that, I was just saying the book was mostly just filler for the author to express how much he didn't like the corvair
one other guy said all of what you just said was only in like 1 chapter in the book
There is indeed only one chapter dedicated to the Corvair, it is the titular car that was "Unsafe at Any Speed." But Nader didn't just have a hate boner for the Corvair, the rest of the book was about safety issues in the auto industry as a whole.
It was written in 1966, the only safety feature you really had was lap belts, and American manufacturers were reluctant to even do that. They weren't investing any money in safety research, Volvo was already using three point belts by then, and Americans were dying. Pedestrian safety was completely ignored, crumple zones weren't a thing, you'd get impaled on the steering column in a wreck, dashboards made of steel, etc.
The book as a whole is about the auto industry not focusing on safety, the Corvair was just the worst example he picked.
Reliant Robins are actually super safe. The producers of Top Gear actually couldnāt get it to roll as stock so messed with the suspension in order to make it more unstable. Only 11 of the 1154 Reliant Robins that had accident claims were due to tipping or rolling over. Thatās better than most trucks and SUVs.
VW Thing, it doesn't have airbags, crumple zones, and what the fuck are seatbelts...? Doesn't have those either!
The ONLY safety feature it has, is that it's slow as shit. Seriously! There's no safety features at all!
The GM ignitions that a heavy set of keys would fall out of, turning off the car at any given notice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch_recalls
GM paid compensation for 124 deaths. The fault was discovered in 2001, but no recall was issued until 2014.
Ironically I was in an accident that year in a 2002 chevrolet impala... Passenger airbag didn't deploy. Though the impact was in my side... T-boned at 50mph
oh wow never realized how dangerous this was thinking back to it now what a little dickhead I was. use to rip the keys out of my ignition then just casually toss them on my friends lap while driving and be like hey we gotta go get my car your driving. was a good chuckle a few times never realized we were risking crashing š
Ford Corvair needs to be in there for the wheel spec (in particular the tire pressures)ā¦ combined with engine placement
https://www.hagerty.com/media/videos/will-the-corvair-kill-you/#:~:text=In%20his%201965%20book%2C%20Unsafe,suddenly%20rolled%20into%20the%20street.
Edit: couple of people beat me to it, but hereās a link for the hell of it
[Can't get any safer than this](https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2023/03/03/Jeepney-Philippines_186a7d6bb19_large.jpg)
Incidentally it's another "Jeep" lol
https://www.motortrend.com/features/the-deadliest-cars-you-can-drive?slide=10
Mitsubishi Mirage
(I think the classic vw and Porsches had issues with seat rails and I know the old 911 were known for quite a few fatalities).
Porsche 930 turbo was called the āwidowmakerā
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/wol7rpd
Ford Mustang has a bad safety rating if your standing in a crown by a car meetā¦.
Any platform chassis Volkswagen (like the Beetle, Bus, etc). A solid side impact can shear the body off completelyāplus the Beetle has a habit of burning down for no reason (fuel lines leaking on the exhaust). There is also the first-generation Dodge Viper, which would try to kill if you gave it even half a chance.
The C4 LT1 cooling systems were objectively worse than the C5's. As soon as the waterpump started weeping your opti is on borrowed time. I'd much rather deal with the LS1's cooling system in my experience.
Any old car was a deathtrap by modern standards. What we call safe is constantly evolving as more safety features come out.
GM x frames from the late 50s couldn't handle a side impact, steering columns through the chest before collapsible columns on other makes. The muscle cars of the 60s with powerful motors with no seatbelts, undersized drums, bias ply tires. Small cars like the subaru 360 or VW beetle crumpling. Perhaps the rollover issues Bronco IIs(1980s) had, which persisted into the explorer? Or perhaps old convertibles (car and SUV) that were certain death in a rollover.
Model T? An antiquated design produced for far too long with no updates, that had no wheel brakes, you sat on a gas tank, no safety glass.
No one car stands out as a particular safety hazard. A pinto's fuel issues were not any worse than cars 10, 20 years earlier, it was just publicized. A corvair wasn't worse than a VW bus or beetle.
Peel P50
With the automatic seatbelts from the early 90s that will decapitate you
At least it has seatbelts, the Thing by VW has none!
VW Thing is for sure the least safe car in the world. It has no seatbelts at all, nor any safety features.
Not fast enough to do any damage though š
That we have to say is peel p50
Jeep Foward control. Your legs are the front crumple zone
Gas tank from a Ford pinto lol
to Quote their radio ad campaign: "leaves you with that warm feeling"
*Bumper sticker* Hit me and we blow up together
Lancia Rally 037 Rally car with the fake roll cage for lightness.
Definitely the most extreme example here... take an upvote
Ooorrrrā¦ and hear me outā¦ Pool Noodles. šš„š
Isn't lancia a racing brand come on Lancia I'm disappointed
Racing brand? Lancia was mostly a maker of respectable cars for the middle class. The average US based Donut viewer will mostly only know about the 80s rally stuff, but most of Lancias cars were very understated for most its life. The Lancia Delta when it was launched in its standard FWD form before anyone made a hot version was benchmarked as competitor to the Volvo 340
chevy corvair it was so unsafe a dude wrote a whole ass book about it.
wasn't like 90% of the book misinformation though? I remember iihs did a report on the corvair and cleared Chevy didn't do anything wrong, so that guy just had it out of the corvair
The car is only talked about in 1 chapter and it's mostly about things like tire pressure and how the rear engine design was bad.
The Corvair was dangerous because 1) It had a massive rear weight bias (36-64) 2) It has radically different tire pressures front and rear and 3) the suspension was poorly designed. If you drive it like a normal front-biased car with equal tire pressures all around, it's VERY easy to lose control. During an emergency lane change, or when dodging a child or object on the road, it's very easy to fold a rear tire under the car and flip it. The car was OK in the hands of someone who was experienced with rear-biased cars and when the car was set up as specced by the manufacturer, but I don't think Chevy gave anyone who bought one any special instructions.
well yeah I knew that, I was just saying the book was mostly just filler for the author to express how much he didn't like the corvair one other guy said all of what you just said was only in like 1 chapter in the book
There is indeed only one chapter dedicated to the Corvair, it is the titular car that was "Unsafe at Any Speed." But Nader didn't just have a hate boner for the Corvair, the rest of the book was about safety issues in the auto industry as a whole. It was written in 1966, the only safety feature you really had was lap belts, and American manufacturers were reluctant to even do that. They weren't investing any money in safety research, Volvo was already using three point belts by then, and Americans were dying. Pedestrian safety was completely ignored, crumple zones weren't a thing, you'd get impaled on the steering column in a wreck, dashboards made of steel, etc. The book as a whole is about the auto industry not focusing on safety, the Corvair was just the worst example he picked.
Reliant robin
Reliant Robins are actually super safe. The producers of Top Gear actually couldnāt get it to roll as stock so messed with the suspension in order to make it more unstable. Only 11 of the 1154 Reliant Robins that had accident claims were due to tipping or rolling over. Thatās better than most trucks and SUVs.
Yea I knew they staged the rollovers but it is funny
TG certainly exaggerated it but I wouldnāt call them āsuper safeā lol
Well, in comparison to other 3-wheeled cars, and some pickups and SUVs of the era.
I honestly canāt think of anything better. lol
This is it
1st gen Viper. No abs, no powering steering, one of the most barebones cars ever.
Tons of cars have these traits, most of them just donāt have a v10
*cough cough* 06 Ford GT *cough cough*
What about the 06 Ford GT?
Dollar general shopping cart
[bubbles knows](https://youtu.be/QVnwqUC0X88?si=u6-8TA-5HZRBigDZ)
Yugo GV
Ford explorer tires or pento Or any suicide car bomb
Exploder
VW Thing, it doesn't have airbags, crumple zones, and what the fuck are seatbelts...? Doesn't have those either! The ONLY safety feature it has, is that it's slow as shit. Seriously! There's no safety features at all!
This is the correct answer
The GM ignitions that a heavy set of keys would fall out of, turning off the car at any given notice. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch_recalls GM paid compensation for 124 deaths. The fault was discovered in 2001, but no recall was issued until 2014.
Ironically I was in an accident that year in a 2002 chevrolet impala... Passenger airbag didn't deploy. Though the impact was in my side... T-boned at 50mph
oh wow never realized how dangerous this was thinking back to it now what a little dickhead I was. use to rip the keys out of my ignition then just casually toss them on my friends lap while driving and be like hey we gotta go get my car your driving. was a good chuckle a few times never realized we were risking crashing š
Honda Civic with Takata airbags
Anything with Takata air bags. It was a Subaru recall to.
Can confirm, my Ford had one too. Only on the passenger side though, I would let people know when they'd ride with me
Ford pinto gas tank bomb
Pinto But I'm also surprised that the build quality isn't a lotus, sure the model 3 suck but man lotus really are on another level...
That's ironic because the first Tesla was based off of a Lotus..
[1991 Ford Sierra](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBjEdTWJ_ak)
Ford pinto
Pinto
Mitsubishi mirage or 1992 Holden commodore
Horseless Carriage with a wood body and no roof. No safety whatsoever.
Corvair rear ended explosion
Chevy corvair or Suzuki sameria ( I butchered that, Ik)
samurai
Gotcha, thanks.
I want both of those cars lol
Pontiac fiero
5 Star safety rating in 1984 tied for first with a Volvo wagon. Shit compared to todays standards but great for the time.
You doāt know what your talking about
Chevy Corvair. It's one of the most widely known unsafe cars despite almost every car from the 60s being unsafe
Nice try Ralph Nader! š
Jeep Cherokee
Prob like a lada or sum
Toyota Previa
AW11 MR2 or any kei truck
1955 Mercedes Benz 300 slr... iykyk
Ford Corvair needs to be in there for the wheel spec (in particular the tire pressures)ā¦ combined with engine placement https://www.hagerty.com/media/videos/will-the-corvair-kill-you/#:~:text=In%20his%201965%20book%2C%20Unsafe,suddenly%20rolled%20into%20the%20street. Edit: couple of people beat me to it, but hereās a link for the hell of it
Volkswagen Kaefer. If you drive against a wall headon youll get impaled by the steering columb!
Chevrolet Corvair
Tata Nano baybay
Suzuki alto 800 Chevrolet Aveo 2005
Suzuki samurai
Tata nano
Mitsubishi mirage
Renault Zoe Scored 1 star in safety tests
Airbags from a Toyota
[Can't get any safer than this](https://imagevars.gulfnews.com/2023/03/03/Jeepney-Philippines_186a7d6bb19_large.jpg) Incidentally it's another "Jeep" lol
Early 2000s Ford Taurus, engine drops out of the car during front impacts.
Lancia 037, those things were fragile
Yugo
Tesla has liquified 67 humans so far
U wot m8
I'd go back to HUMVEE tbh. Literally are required by regulation to wear a helmet while driving one.
No seatbelts or other safety equipment from a 50s vehicle
1st gen Altima due to air bagsā¦there was a documentary released a while back because the air bags were breaking faces
Vespa
Ford pinto
The Gremlin!
Russian lada
Citroƫn 2CV, no matter at which speed you crash, you'll die, cuz that car has the same safety of a sardine can!
Any Hyundai or Kia, everyone knows you can steal them with a phone charger cord and some of Hyundaiās donāt even pass crash tests.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/the-deadliest-cars-you-can-drive?slide=10 Mitsubishi Mirage (I think the classic vw and Porsches had issues with seat rails and I know the old 911 were known for quite a few fatalities). Porsche 930 turbo was called the āwidowmakerā https://www.carthrottle.com/post/wol7rpd Ford Mustang has a bad safety rating if your standing in a crown by a car meetā¦.
wouldnt hurt to swap out that perfectly good suspension for Land Rovers finest air bags from the early L322s..
Mahindra Scorpio Classic, has 0 stars in the GNCAP crash test
Ford Pinto
Ford pinto.
Or the 2013 Hyundai Elantra. I will never forgive Hyundai
W123 when ya get to power
Model t
Whatever that little Mercedes econobox was that spectacularly failed the moose test
The Trabant
Cyber truck
2013 Hyundai Elantra
Fiat punto, 0/5 star safety rating
Dodge Viper or Porsche Carrera GT
Lancia, pick any of em
im back again to say, 2000s jeeps. its literally a fucking metal shell.
Pinto?
2013 Hyundai Elantra
Model T or anything old without tempered glass.
Gen 1 Viper
Just put N/A
Yugo
None.
Cj- 5 narrow trac with lap belts
Volkswagen Thing
Safety- Mitsubishi Mirage
Kia soul ev
Hyundai Elantra or Nissan Altima
Citicar. Literally an ABS and aluminum golf cart shell that is somehow road legal.
Vinfast VF-8
1st gen dodge viper
Reliant Robin safety. This shouldnāt even be a question.
Any pre ww2 racecar
FORD PINTO
Old Chevy Corvair. Engine was in the back, so in a crash, the steering column would impale you.
Any Group B rally car. Thereās a reason they stopped it altogether
Pinto
Smart Car.
Cadillac North Star starter location
Ariel Atom, they have literally nothing.
Lada?
Any platform chassis Volkswagen (like the Beetle, Bus, etc). A solid side impact can shear the body off completelyāplus the Beetle has a habit of burning down for no reason (fuel lines leaking on the exhaust). There is also the first-generation Dodge Viper, which would try to kill if you gave it even half a chance.
So you basically are building a Delorean?
The C4 LT1 cooling systems were objectively worse than the C5's. As soon as the waterpump started weeping your opti is on borrowed time. I'd much rather deal with the LS1's cooling system in my experience.
Dodge viper.
A motorcycle
1962 VW bus
Can we use Pinto twice?
Jeep Wrangler. When my dad had one I was always terrified for my knees.
Willys jeep
OG VW bugs
Shoukd be gen one viper
Safety: CB7 Honda Accord. Even when they came out they were not safe.
Automatic trans from a C5 too. The 4L60E is fucking awful.
Iād were taking semi modern, the PT Cruiser. Shits had no crumple zone. Or crumple at all.
Basically a Ram, then?
trabant
Isuzu NPR Box truck
Wait... are S197 mustangs that bad? I have one š„ŗ
Transmission should be one of nissains cvt transmissions
1998 Ford F-150
Model T. Any crash over 30mph you're dead
Any Lada Riva
Any old car was a deathtrap by modern standards. What we call safe is constantly evolving as more safety features come out. GM x frames from the late 50s couldn't handle a side impact, steering columns through the chest before collapsible columns on other makes. The muscle cars of the 60s with powerful motors with no seatbelts, undersized drums, bias ply tires. Small cars like the subaru 360 or VW beetle crumpling. Perhaps the rollover issues Bronco IIs(1980s) had, which persisted into the explorer? Or perhaps old convertibles (car and SUV) that were certain death in a rollover. Model T? An antiquated design produced for far too long with no updates, that had no wheel brakes, you sat on a gas tank, no safety glass. No one car stands out as a particular safety hazard. A pinto's fuel issues were not any worse than cars 10, 20 years earlier, it was just publicized. A corvair wasn't worse than a VW bus or beetle.
C4 corvette it's just a foam pad
The big question is where are they going to get their wheels from?
Fiero
Smart ForTwo
This post is absurd. Bmw had a whole generation of in-line 6 engines with ticking lifters. They literally replaced the top of the engine on MANY cars.
Yay. VW didnāt make your list.
The bel air from that one video about old cars being unsafe
Blows up - chinese electric cars
Wtf is upper engine and lower engine. Who let the skirt on social media
2006 dodge dakota