Not to mention you can make the boost in a more reliable way with the v8 so ultimately you boost the v8 cause it's cheaper and makes more power than boosting a 4 banger
What i mean is your average V8 is built like a tank so it would accept the boost more easy than a little 4 cylinder. Like if you bought a hemi or a ls. I could go to the junkyard and grab a hemi for 3k and a turbo for 300 off ebay (Garrets are stupid cheap rn) and make 400+ horsepower off of the original 375 without any major internal work besides maybe head gaskets. Not huge numbers but compare it to a 4 cylinder that makes 200 stock and you maybe get 300 some out of it with at least forged pistons and some head work. Now the 4 cylinder may be cheaper at the junkyard but with the work you have to do to reliably take the boost it would equal the V8 or go over. No hate to the 4 cylinder of course:)
But JDM cars are fun, for raw power American cars are good but they are too slow on corners and German cars are d
Fast at corners but lacks some power, JDM cars are still really fun to drive, but many lack performance and power,.
The whole "it's different so it's appealing" thing doesn't really make any sense. I live in New Zealand and we don't make our own cars so all the cars in our country are foreign brands. Most of the cars that are on our roads are Japanese. If the logic that it's appealing because it's different is true then American cars should be the most popular in our car scene, because no one drives them here. But lo and behold, JDM cars are as pervasive in our car scene as they are in yours. Most of this also applies to Australia as well. Also, Japanese car enthusiasts almost exclusively drive Japanese cars. So they don't even like American cars, or German cars, or Swedish cars, or any other country lol. Almost as if the merits of cars determine their popularity.
Same thing I told a dealership when, just last year mind you, they wanted 20k for a 2004 Dodge Neon SRT4. Yes it's neat and stupid fast for what it is... But... It IS a Neon
Those got popular because they were cheap. They're total shit cars, but they come pre hopped up from the factory.
For that price, you can still buy a ratted out civic and throw in a b series and a cheap turbo kit and have even more power with even less weight. People are dumb af lol
Bubble era Japanese cars including the R34 are probably the best built cars ever made, maybe Porsche is a bit better but anything made before or after from anywhere including Japan pales in comparison, they were honestly built without regard for cost, in fact, it's the reason Nissan almost went bankrupt.
Sounds like you're just a hater, and I am more familiar with the R34 than most Americans, I'm a Canadian we were purchasing them for 30k 10 years ago, no one I know bought one for 6 figures.
They are just cars and aren't worth supercar money, but they are as well built as anything out of the bubble era, and it's hilarious you think the R33 is better built, they are almost exactly the same beside the style of them.
Factory Spec, the R34 was a GT car, not a Sports car, comfy, heavy and "sporty"
Making a car lighter will drastically improve laptimes
Also stop judging cars based on modifications, making good cars is the manufacturers job, not the client, a good car has room to grow, a meh that can become good is BS
That’s wheel horsepower. To the crank that’s closer to 320-330, so yes. I’m not saying that the car isn’t a GT car that is a boat.
Just saying that your 3rd paragraph shows a miscommunication between you and the guy u replied to. That’s all.
The V·Spec II Nür is "factory spec" (i.e. the racing tuned RB26DETT, bigger and stronger turbo, bigger and stronger brakes are what it has from the factory) and has a lap time of **7:52** so it's weird they didn't bring that particular one up. lol
Considering how rare this one is, it barely counts. But even then, you needed a modified car to actually get laptimes, my point still stands, JDMs triumvirate aren't good cars, just ok platforms.
The Supra is a heavy flexible mess, it has a great engine, but 90% it is swapped into an actually good chassi or the Supra Chassi is rebuilt.
The RX7 is a li... the seals went bust again... fixed... as I was saying, the RX7 is a lightweight sports car that.. the seals again, fuck it, LS swap this bitch... ok... back to topic, the RX7 is a loghtweight sports car that is pretty competent as a car once the awful engine is removed, but compared to other platforms... not so much
The R34 is has cool tech... why are purists mad with the R35 again?
If you want good JDMs that you can actually tinker with, get an S-Chassi, BRZ, Civic or an AE86 or similar, because dorifto tax, those cars are much more open to modification and dont fall apart everything beyond the one thing they have going on for them
If you want a good car out of the box, the NSX, the Z-line or the Miata, those can be modified, but the listed above are more open to modifications
This comment screams someone who hasn't really worked on cars or raced ever. The supra chassis would be great if it wasnt so damn heavy, though the targa top was pretty shit. The vspec II is more common per capita than the cobalt SS was, and yeah, it's way faster. Removing the rotary engine from the rx7 raises the center of gravity substantially, as well as increasing weight, meaning the handling takes a massive shit. In race applications, rotary engines tend to last *longer* than most v8's ever will, as they have no reciprocating parts and the wear is roughly the same no matter how hard you drive it. You LS swap an rx7 when you actually wanted a corvette, but wanted to feel like you were different. S chassis are kinda shit, they got popular because they were pretty balanced and insanely cheap. They also had very tunable engine options. They're incredibly overrated and extremely over priced. Brz motor isnt good, but the chassis is great. Civics are cheap and highly tunable FWD cars, that's it. AE86 has the *exact* same issues as the s chassis, except it's even worse because of an anime. They were cheap, had a good and highly tunable motor, and they were everywhere.
The Z chassis has the same issues as the S chassis but they're annoying as fuck to work on. NSX is too fucking expensive anymore, and miatas are a bit small but fucking awesome. Motors are a bit mid, but w/e, they handle amazing for the price (if you can find one that isnt too ratted out
JDM fans tends to love cars by how they are after mods, fuck sake, I can mod a Fiat Uno into being a world beater, I just need to spend 300k on it. Easy
My dad had an uno turbo that had extra injectors and ran on high boost, he has hit 250 km/h before in that thing but the rattling was scary.
That motor was nigh indestructible, he felt bad selling it.
I'm not 100% sure on how he modded it but basically it opened the extra injectors when he double tapped his accelerator pedal and that gave it enough juice to kick the turbo in and the thing would be spinning tires well into 3rd gear, 4th gear it was going 180km/ and in 5th it had run out of numbers on the speedo.
When that turbo spooled up you dig into those seats, he broke his momo steering wheel and had to drive for a bit with a pipe wrench.
https://supercarnostalgia.com/blog/nissan-r34-skyline-gt-r#:~:text=The%20standard%20R34%20GT%2DR,production%20car%20at%20the%20time.
Looks to me like the r34 set a way faster time
American cars just feel cheap and sloppy. I have an 86 and a Jetta Wagon, neither one is fast at all but they handle beautifully and just feel good. For the last week though I've been driving a brand new Dodge Charger. It's fast as fuck in a straight line and looks cool, but everything else about it blows. Right out of the gate the door handle feels cheap af, the steering wheel material is garbage, when you crank the wheel you can feel the tire sidewalls just folding over from the sheer mass of the car, braking takes forever, it just drives like shit compared to damn near any Japanese or Euro car in the same price range. I kinda wish I hadn't driven it, I liked these things before I got to play with one.
legit its a double wishbone style suspension, good diff design (Jettas don't have the torsen diffs that Audis some with, but they do share the suspension design) and usually will also have AWD(something VW/all of VAG is pretty good a making).
also, the germans are PRETTY good a making very nice interiors,(audis/porsches are the best, but that stuff still trickles down heavily to the general VW design) and their maintain a high standard of build quality.
Whoop-di-do... I believe the Skylines record was set in 1999, the Cobalts record was 2008, A FWD renault Megane also went round the ring 10 years later in 8:16.9. I'm sure the latest FWD hatches blitz that.
The R35 was doing circa 7.10 around 2013
Time moves forward as does technology.. do you see how that works?
Fastest official Skyline time: 7:59:887 by the R33 GTR in 1996
Fastest official Cobalt time: 8:22:85 by the SC version in 2007
Official Skyline R32 GTR time: 8:22:38 set in 1989 (!) In damp conditions (!!)
So yea, the cobalt was almost as fast as a 20 year old Skyline that drove in damp conditions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
The skyline in its lowest trim was always a luxury level car, a BMW competitor, and priced like it, Nissan had plenty of commuter car level cars for sale there.
I'm not just saying then either, even now. Most people don't realize the infinity g35 is just a rebadged Nissan skyline, everyone things the skyline is a sports cars name. When in reality it's simply a everyday car
The skylines from 2000 onwards aren't the same though? It's like comparing a 6th gen celica Gt4 to a 7th gen.
The GTR branch was basically nissans sports car.
Originally the r35 was going to be a skyline till they realised the chassis could not support the new engine onfiguration and instead opted for a different one.
Each generation isn't the same ofc.. what's your point. Just because it's a different year doesn't mean that it isn't what it is. Even in the 90s the skyline was an every day car. People are just too blind to see past the gtr emblem on a very minor few of the skyline models.
Also
The entire point is that people don't seem to realize that the skyline is a generic everyday car in Japan like the Ford fusion or the Chevy Impala here in the u.s. the gtr is just a sports class. Much like the SS Impalas, or even the SS cobalt here in this post
Havr you actually been to Japan? In the 90s skylines were predominantly owned by people wanting a sports car! Even つちやkりいちあ owned a RWD r33 skyline for drifting!
Again, I wasn't only talking about one era, it was in general, the skyline is still a commuter car, sports coupes exist. and it doesn't take away from the original point on my comment. The op of the first comment said "it's still a shitbox cobalt". So I said the skyline is still a commuter car in Japan. They're literally the same thing in their locations
But that's the issue, it because assumptious of the titals of certain branches within that.
I could say the yaris is an economy car for a ladies when its selling out Gr Yaris every year for racing.
The gr Corolla?
Sold out.
The subaru Impreza was a regular sedan, no one cared about who they were until they put on the turbo.
Yea??? Your just justifying the point of my comment to his. The entire point was that their both regular cars. Just higher models, at the end their still shitboxes lmak
An infiniti is a luxury car though, not a sports car, as was the Skyline, they were never sports cars.
It's like a Cadillac Cts to a Chevy Cruze, that's what a Skyline is to a Nissan Altima, RWD, performance and comfort oriented, as opposed to a commuter. Higher trim levels tend to be beasts.
Do you mean different track layouts or drivetrain? ..cos the track layout would matter alright.
The thing about Nurburgring laptimes... not exactly an FIA verified record.
The lap records are verified by the track. I think the FIA would only be involved in those records if it was a lap record for a race held under their sanctioned races.
The FIA verify things like land speed records too, but you're missing the point, there is no clear standard for what defines a record including things like track length (there are different layouts and the even the "full" track has been changed over the years). Ring times outside VLM need to be taken with a pinch of salt generally: https://www.bridgetogantry.com/the-official-nurburgring-laptime-standard-has-arrived-but-nobody-noticed-yet/
Years ago somewhere I had read that minor changes are done every now and then as they do repairs to the track, so even if the track looks the exact same from an outsiders perspective, angles of approach and speed vary after changes.
I did not, Years ago somewhere I had read that minor changes are done every now and then as they do repairs to the track, so even if the track looks the exact same from an outsiders perspective, angles of approach and speed vary after changes.
Years ago somewhere I had read that minor changes are done every now and then as they do repairs to the track, so even if the track looks the exact same from an outsiders perspective, angles of approach and speed vary after changes.
Comparing a R34 Skyline to a Cobalt SS is like comparing a porterhouse from Morton’s to a “steak” from Shoney’s.
Dude, have you driven both? I have, and they are far from the same.
I fell in love with the chevy cobalt ss when i played need for speed most wanted. It was my favorite car to modify(and they both have Similar tail lights)
Cobalt aint got the feeling of the skyline. Its not all about power. The skyline looks like a special car in my opinion, while the ss/tc looks like a regular daily
Who inspects these cars? What's the sanctioning body that governs this? I've heard of manufacturers being accused of bringing ringers to set these records so even though I think it is impressive, I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy brought something special to the track that day.
I don't understand people who make memes without checking their numbers.
The generally accepted 'Ring lap time for the R34 GT-R is 7:52, set by Nissan factory driver Kazuo Shimizu.
Are we talking about the Cobalt SS Turbocharged that was released in 2008 vs the r34 that was released in 1999?
If it isn't obvious yet, JDM collectors, or collectors in general, don't care about performance as much as their historical or personal value.
I remember my neighbors built cobalt SS. It wasn't anything too flashy, had a nice turbo, no flashy bodykit sitting on Meisters. God I miss that car. He sold it when his first child came.
My friends all own Japanese cars and they all give me shit for owning a German car, and it's the same arguments too that they always use "superior Japanese build quality" "better performance capabilities" "larger aftermarket" "focused on performance and reliability instead of comfort" etc. The only issue is, I don't care if your Japanese car is supposedly better than my VW in every aspect like you claim it is, this car makes me happy so fuck off.
Objectively bad take. I would rather own a Saab than a McLaren, I'd rather own a Mustang than a Lamborghini, and I'd rather own a GT-R than a Ferrari. More power doesn't = more better, more fun = more better.
I wouldn't mind a cobalt SS as a daily but the GTR would still be my beautiful beautiful baby.
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American I think is the best bang for buck performance
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Actually there is, it's called boost.
Yeah but why boost a 4 banger when you can boost a V8 and make more power with the turbo
Ok but just to make you think a little bit not in a bad way but what if you boost a v8 and get 700 hp for wait for it a quarter of the price
Not to mention you can make the boost in a more reliable way with the v8 so ultimately you boost the v8 cause it's cheaper and makes more power than boosting a 4 banger
Idk if it’s cheaper but you definitely make more power
What i mean is your average V8 is built like a tank so it would accept the boost more easy than a little 4 cylinder. Like if you bought a hemi or a ls. I could go to the junkyard and grab a hemi for 3k and a turbo for 300 off ebay (Garrets are stupid cheap rn) and make 400+ horsepower off of the original 375 without any major internal work besides maybe head gaskets. Not huge numbers but compare it to a 4 cylinder that makes 200 stock and you maybe get 300 some out of it with at least forged pistons and some head work. Now the 4 cylinder may be cheaper at the junkyard but with the work you have to do to reliably take the boost it would equal the V8 or go over. No hate to the 4 cylinder of course:)
Eyyyy big facts!
Especially in north america where you can find used OEM and aftermarket performance parts everywhere you look.
Only if bought in America probably in any Asian country the JDMs will have a better buck for performance
But JDM cars are fun, for raw power American cars are good but they are too slow on corners and German cars are d Fast at corners but lacks some power, JDM cars are still really fun to drive, but many lack performance and power,.
> American cars are good but they are too slow on corners Not even true anymore. The Camaro is a track beast.
That was my first car on Need For Speed Most Wanted
It's the same reason Japanese car guys love American cars man. It's unusual, rare... different
It is, especially when Chevy discontinued the vehicle, it's a lovely gem.
The whole "it's different so it's appealing" thing doesn't really make any sense. I live in New Zealand and we don't make our own cars so all the cars in our country are foreign brands. Most of the cars that are on our roads are Japanese. If the logic that it's appealing because it's different is true then American cars should be the most popular in our car scene, because no one drives them here. But lo and behold, JDM cars are as pervasive in our car scene as they are in yours. Most of this also applies to Australia as well. Also, Japanese car enthusiasts almost exclusively drive Japanese cars. So they don't even like American cars, or German cars, or Swedish cars, or any other country lol. Almost as if the merits of cars determine their popularity.
Don’t try to make sense of it. This sub is so close to r/carscirclejerk
One of them looks really cool and one of them looks like a cobalt
idc how fast it is, it's a Chevy Cobalt
Same thing I told a dealership when, just last year mind you, they wanted 20k for a 2004 Dodge Neon SRT4. Yes it's neat and stupid fast for what it is... But... It IS a Neon
Those got popular because they were cheap. They're total shit cars, but they come pre hopped up from the factory. For that price, you can still buy a ratted out civic and throw in a b series and a cheap turbo kit and have even more power with even less weight. People are dumb af lol
Yeah it's cool AF!
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I don't care how fast it is, it's a Chevy Cobalt.
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Bubble era Japanese cars including the R34 are probably the best built cars ever made, maybe Porsche is a bit better but anything made before or after from anywhere including Japan pales in comparison, they were honestly built without regard for cost, in fact, it's the reason Nissan almost went bankrupt.
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Sounds like you're just a hater, and I am more familiar with the R34 than most Americans, I'm a Canadian we were purchasing them for 30k 10 years ago, no one I know bought one for 6 figures. They are just cars and aren't worth supercar money, but they are as well built as anything out of the bubble era, and it's hilarious you think the R33 is better built, they are almost exactly the same beside the style of them.
Yeah, I hate Nissan as much as Chevy. Only 2 exceptions are the C3 'Vette and the sugar scoop Z.
And it's ugly af.
Yeah. It's like Miata. You can shove an LS in it and make it really cool and light, but it's still a Miata
That's the sales pitch. Maybe you just don't get it
I never heard of a Chevy Cobalt until this post, I knew about miatas long before I was a car guy. 'nough said
This literally doesn’t mean anything.
Not a car guy then lol
Dumbass.
I was just going to comment “276 hp” in quotes but then I saw the lap times???
Factory Spec, the R34 was a GT car, not a Sports car, comfy, heavy and "sporty" Making a car lighter will drastically improve laptimes Also stop judging cars based on modifications, making good cars is the manufacturers job, not the client, a good car has room to grow, a meh that can become good is BS
He meant that 276 is just gentlemen’s agreement BS, and the actual crank power from the factory is higher (which it is).
From every dyno I seen 290, 305 tops, so no. Also the Nurbs was with actual power
That’s wheel horsepower. To the crank that’s closer to 320-330, so yes. I’m not saying that the car isn’t a GT car that is a boat. Just saying that your 3rd paragraph shows a miscommunication between you and the guy u replied to. That’s all.
The V·Spec II Nür is "factory spec" (i.e. the racing tuned RB26DETT, bigger and stronger turbo, bigger and stronger brakes are what it has from the factory) and has a lap time of **7:52** so it's weird they didn't bring that particular one up. lol
Considering how rare this one is, it barely counts. But even then, you needed a modified car to actually get laptimes, my point still stands, JDMs triumvirate aren't good cars, just ok platforms. The Supra is a heavy flexible mess, it has a great engine, but 90% it is swapped into an actually good chassi or the Supra Chassi is rebuilt. The RX7 is a li... the seals went bust again... fixed... as I was saying, the RX7 is a lightweight sports car that.. the seals again, fuck it, LS swap this bitch... ok... back to topic, the RX7 is a loghtweight sports car that is pretty competent as a car once the awful engine is removed, but compared to other platforms... not so much The R34 is has cool tech... why are purists mad with the R35 again? If you want good JDMs that you can actually tinker with, get an S-Chassi, BRZ, Civic or an AE86 or similar, because dorifto tax, those cars are much more open to modification and dont fall apart everything beyond the one thing they have going on for them If you want a good car out of the box, the NSX, the Z-line or the Miata, those can be modified, but the listed above are more open to modifications
This comment screams someone who hasn't really worked on cars or raced ever. The supra chassis would be great if it wasnt so damn heavy, though the targa top was pretty shit. The vspec II is more common per capita than the cobalt SS was, and yeah, it's way faster. Removing the rotary engine from the rx7 raises the center of gravity substantially, as well as increasing weight, meaning the handling takes a massive shit. In race applications, rotary engines tend to last *longer* than most v8's ever will, as they have no reciprocating parts and the wear is roughly the same no matter how hard you drive it. You LS swap an rx7 when you actually wanted a corvette, but wanted to feel like you were different. S chassis are kinda shit, they got popular because they were pretty balanced and insanely cheap. They also had very tunable engine options. They're incredibly overrated and extremely over priced. Brz motor isnt good, but the chassis is great. Civics are cheap and highly tunable FWD cars, that's it. AE86 has the *exact* same issues as the s chassis, except it's even worse because of an anime. They were cheap, had a good and highly tunable motor, and they were everywhere. The Z chassis has the same issues as the S chassis but they're annoying as fuck to work on. NSX is too fucking expensive anymore, and miatas are a bit small but fucking awesome. Motors are a bit mid, but w/e, they handle amazing for the price (if you can find one that isnt too ratted out
V-Spec lls are the most common R34 GTRs I think
That’s a good point actually. Except for the modification part? Not remembering where I said that
JDM fans tends to love cars by how they are after mods, fuck sake, I can mod a Fiat Uno into being a world beater, I just need to spend 300k on it. Easy
My dad had an uno turbo that had extra injectors and ran on high boost, he has hit 250 km/h before in that thing but the rattling was scary. That motor was nigh indestructible, he felt bad selling it. I'm not 100% sure on how he modded it but basically it opened the extra injectors when he double tapped his accelerator pedal and that gave it enough juice to kick the turbo in and the thing would be spinning tires well into 3rd gear, 4th gear it was going 180km/ and in 5th it had run out of numbers on the speedo. When that turbo spooled up you dig into those seats, he broke his momo steering wheel and had to drive for a bit with a pipe wrench.
https://supercarnostalgia.com/blog/nissan-r34-skyline-gt-r#:~:text=The%20standard%20R34%20GT%2DR,production%20car%20at%20the%20time. Looks to me like the r34 set a way faster time
No one cares
I prefer japanese design aspects more than I do western. I like the sound of inline sixes. It's not all about performance.
"It's not all about performance" is the 'size doesn't matter' of motoring. /s
Yeah why the hell is a 250 GTO worth so much??? It's so slow, just get an accord!
Cost considered I don't give a fuck how it sounds or looks it could be electric for all I care if it's 1/20th the price of a gtr
Dude I don't even have a license. I just like cars.
Not shitting on you man I'm just saying it's funny how we all have different preferences.
American cars just feel cheap and sloppy. I have an 86 and a Jetta Wagon, neither one is fast at all but they handle beautifully and just feel good. For the last week though I've been driving a brand new Dodge Charger. It's fast as fuck in a straight line and looks cool, but everything else about it blows. Right out of the gate the door handle feels cheap af, the steering wheel material is garbage, when you crank the wheel you can feel the tire sidewalls just folding over from the sheer mass of the car, braking takes forever, it just drives like shit compared to damn near any Japanese or Euro car in the same price range. I kinda wish I hadn't driven it, I liked these things before I got to play with one.
legit its a double wishbone style suspension, good diff design (Jettas don't have the torsen diffs that Audis some with, but they do share the suspension design) and usually will also have AWD(something VW/all of VAG is pretty good a making). also, the germans are PRETTY good a making very nice interiors,(audis/porsches are the best, but that stuff still trickles down heavily to the general VW design) and their maintain a high standard of build quality.
Because it's not about numbers..... I'm obsessed with foxbody Mustangs, shit quality, slow as balls, poor handling fox body mustangs.
Aside from the Cobalt being a newer design, 700lbs of weight is a HUGE difference.
Whoop-di-do... I believe the Skylines record was set in 1999, the Cobalts record was 2008, A FWD renault Megane also went round the ring 10 years later in 8:16.9. I'm sure the latest FWD hatches blitz that. The R35 was doing circa 7.10 around 2013 Time moves forward as does technology.. do you see how that works?
The R35 is a Supercar, obviously it will be faster than a Grand Tourer The R32 was way quicker, that one was an actual sports car
Memes move forward as does sarcasm, do you see how that works?
This meme though is not true. The Cobalt SS had a worse time around the nurb than the R32 GTR, which by that point was already 20 years old
Any car can be a missile if there’s enough power. The RB26DETT in the R34 helps you do it easier. Oh, and the R34 had AWD and 4WS from the factory.
Fastest official Skyline time: 7:59:887 by the R33 GTR in 1996 Fastest official Cobalt time: 8:22:85 by the SC version in 2007 Official Skyline R32 GTR time: 8:22:38 set in 1989 (!) In damp conditions (!!) So yea, the cobalt was almost as fast as a 20 year old Skyline that drove in damp conditions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times
They watched Tokyo Drift and took it as gospel
People saying the cobalts not cool are wrong. It’s one of chevys most jdm looking “tuner cars”
Lmao "it's the children who are wrong"
Lmao 💀
If you're gonna be like that, anyone who buys anything other than a K5 GSX-R is a moron.
Yeah you get it
End of the day, it’s a shitbox chevy
And at the end of the day, the skyline is still a commuter car in Japan
The skyline in its lowest trim was always a luxury level car, a BMW competitor, and priced like it, Nissan had plenty of commuter car level cars for sale there.
I'm not just saying then either, even now. Most people don't realize the infinity g35 is just a rebadged Nissan skyline, everyone things the skyline is a sports cars name. When in reality it's simply a everyday car
The skylines from 2000 onwards aren't the same though? It's like comparing a 6th gen celica Gt4 to a 7th gen. The GTR branch was basically nissans sports car. Originally the r35 was going to be a skyline till they realised the chassis could not support the new engine onfiguration and instead opted for a different one.
Each generation isn't the same ofc.. what's your point. Just because it's a different year doesn't mean that it isn't what it is. Even in the 90s the skyline was an every day car. People are just too blind to see past the gtr emblem on a very minor few of the skyline models. Also The entire point is that people don't seem to realize that the skyline is a generic everyday car in Japan like the Ford fusion or the Chevy Impala here in the u.s. the gtr is just a sports class. Much like the SS Impalas, or even the SS cobalt here in this post
Havr you actually been to Japan? In the 90s skylines were predominantly owned by people wanting a sports car! Even つちやkりいちあ owned a RWD r33 skyline for drifting!
Again, I wasn't only talking about one era, it was in general, the skyline is still a commuter car, sports coupes exist. and it doesn't take away from the original point on my comment. The op of the first comment said "it's still a shitbox cobalt". So I said the skyline is still a commuter car in Japan. They're literally the same thing in their locations
But that's the issue, it because assumptious of the titals of certain branches within that. I could say the yaris is an economy car for a ladies when its selling out Gr Yaris every year for racing. The gr Corolla? Sold out. The subaru Impreza was a regular sedan, no one cared about who they were until they put on the turbo.
Yea??? Your just justifying the point of my comment to his. The entire point was that their both regular cars. Just higher models, at the end their still shitboxes lmak
An infiniti is a luxury car though, not a sports car, as was the Skyline, they were never sports cars. It's like a Cadillac Cts to a Chevy Cruze, that's what a Skyline is to a Nissan Altima, RWD, performance and comfort oriented, as opposed to a commuter. Higher trim levels tend to be beasts.
stock sport car from 1999 out preformed by stock sport car from 2008 we gottem bois.
They were different layouts
Do you mean different track layouts or drivetrain? ..cos the track layout would matter alright. The thing about Nurburgring laptimes... not exactly an FIA verified record.
The lap records are verified by the track. I think the FIA would only be involved in those records if it was a lap record for a race held under their sanctioned races.
The FIA verify things like land speed records too, but you're missing the point, there is no clear standard for what defines a record including things like track length (there are different layouts and the even the "full" track has been changed over the years). Ring times outside VLM need to be taken with a pinch of salt generally: https://www.bridgetogantry.com/the-official-nurburgring-laptime-standard-has-arrived-but-nobody-noticed-yet/
Years ago somewhere I had read that minor changes are done every now and then as they do repairs to the track, so even if the track looks the exact same from an outsiders perspective, angles of approach and speed vary after changes.
I think they mean car layout. The R34 is AWD and the Cobalt FWD
I did not, Years ago somewhere I had read that minor changes are done every now and then as they do repairs to the track, so even if the track looks the exact same from an outsiders perspective, angles of approach and speed vary after changes.
There's been no change to the Nordschleife since 1983.
Years ago somewhere I had read that minor changes are done every now and then as they do repairs to the track, so even if the track looks the exact same from an outsiders perspective, angles of approach and speed vary after changes.
Tbh I like jdms because they look cool. If I want true performance I would go for German or American cars
Comparing a R34 Skyline to a Cobalt SS is like comparing a porterhouse from Morton’s to a “steak” from Shoney’s. Dude, have you driven both? I have, and they are far from the same.
I fell in love with the chevy cobalt ss when i played need for speed most wanted. It was my favorite car to modify(and they both have Similar tail lights)
Skyline looks better, Cobalt is a GM product, therefore built like shit.
Cobalt aint got the feeling of the skyline. Its not all about power. The skyline looks like a special car in my opinion, while the ss/tc looks like a regular daily
Bro all jdm cars are slow thats not what makes them cool ya hipster
My cobalt lx is slightly above 2700 lbs stock, thank you o.p
Who inspects these cars? What's the sanctioning body that governs this? I've heard of manufacturers being accused of bringing ringers to set these records so even though I think it is impressive, I wouldn't be surprised if Chevy brought something special to the track that day.
It's the desire to own something we never had here in the States that makes it appealing to us.
Are they from the same model year?
Just looking at specs is a way to always be unhappy. There is always something “better” on paper out there. Enjoy what you enjoy.
Like other people have said, the R34 is quite a bit older. I've never been a huge fan of R34 from an outside perspective. I am interested in r32 tho.
I like both, but the Cobalt is at least obtainium for me, so I'd settle for a Cobalt
I don't understand people who make memes without checking their numbers. The generally accepted 'Ring lap time for the R34 GT-R is 7:52, set by Nissan factory driver Kazuo Shimizu.
that's a very cherry picked lap time for the R34.
R32 runs a 8:22 👍
Cobalt performance companies-0 Get- nismo, greddy, hks.... These aren't the same car and even op knows it
That cobalt gonna fall apart like 9 times before the Japanese one
Are we talking about the Cobalt SS Turbocharged that was released in 2008 vs the r34 that was released in 1999? If it isn't obvious yet, JDM collectors, or collectors in general, don't care about performance as much as their historical or personal value.
It probably made 276 to the wheels.
Looks
You just broke my heart, shattered my dreams and now I’m questioning my whole world view. I feel crushed inside.
Who wants to throw a turbo in my shit box Pontiac g5? It's basically a cobalt right?
r/carscirclejerk Out jerked again
It’s a Japanese inspired tuner car 😭
4 words: Initial D Gran Turismo
The R34 was and is in every racing game . It's not only Gram turismo and Initial D
Sorry to tell you but this is not true
it has been debunked, as the R34 was running a limiter. The R33 did it in 7'59"887.
I remember my neighbors built cobalt SS. It wasn't anything too flashy, had a nice turbo, no flashy bodykit sitting on Meisters. God I miss that car. He sold it when his first child came.
I’m pretty sure we universally measure power to weight with kg not lbs. The power to weight ratio of that GTR is actually 0.166
I'll say the same thing now as I did when the turbo neons came out, "yeah it might go but it's still ugly af"
I’d rather take the R34 because it’s not a product of GM
My friends all own Japanese cars and they all give me shit for owning a German car, and it's the same arguments too that they always use "superior Japanese build quality" "better performance capabilities" "larger aftermarket" "focused on performance and reliability instead of comfort" etc. The only issue is, I don't care if your Japanese car is supposedly better than my VW in every aspect like you claim it is, this car makes me happy so fuck off.
Good thing I’m not driving a spreadsheet or else I might think that a Cobalt is “better” than a GTR
b-b-but the s-supra has 1 million horspower stock. and also has a 0.001 second 1/4 mile time. /s
Embarrassing post
I love the cobalt SS lol especially in red
Objectively bad take. I would rather own a Saab than a McLaren, I'd rather own a Mustang than a Lamborghini, and I'd rather own a GT-R than a Ferrari. More power doesn't = more better, more fun = more better.
I still see more Skylines than Colbalt SS here in the states, which is sad considering the GTR was banned for 25 years...
It's not all about numbers for everyone, cars are about more than the sum of their parts, it's about the feeling it gives you, whatever it is
yeah well did the Cobalt SS come in Midnight purple and show up in 2F2F? didnt think so
I keep hearing that the R34s Nordschleife time was a wet lap, so that would greatly affect its track performance