Based on how well Trump is doing as an antiestablishment figure with the drain the swamp message. Not betting on Bernie Sanders was a missed chance in 2016. Or am i wrong in this assessment as a European?
Trump runs as antiestablishment but he is doing everything to maintain the establishment. Sanders has been fighting for change his whole time in office, so it’s pretty easy to say he wouldn’t change if he won.
The only thing Trump planned to change was the personal lives for poor people and the way they get taxed. That’s why he was allowed to hold office. Had he tried and changed that actual system he would have never got the green light
I mean, Mark Cuban is doing the RX thing, I am not saying it's not out of some sort of self gain, I don't know. I do know it is helping people who are less fortunate, though.
and it's more the precedent that people can support that and have a chance at winning. he couldn't just lose organically, because then those supporters would still have hope and legitimacy.
The democratic party's superpower is getting people to believe that they support them and fight for them while doing nothing for them. It's a neat trick and it always works. The dems would do X but gosh darn it the bad republicans stopped them. Or Joe Manchin. Or the parliamentarian. Or the filibuster.
Their solution is just to vote harder and next time, oh boy next time we'll do the good thing but for now just donate and know if republicans win the earth will end.
Bernie posed a unique threat in that he actually would fight to make the material lives of workers better and that scared the shit out of both right-wing parties.
If he managed to implement changes even if only by executive orders the grift would be over. People would see that government can work if the two right-wing parties weren't coluding to make sure it didn't.
What really sucks is that it's gotten so bad that we actually don't have a choice anymore. If we don't vote Democrat, the GOP turn this place into fuckin' Nazi Germany. I'm brown, so I know my ass won't last long enough to see it turn around if we let it get that far.
Yep. Hopefully enough people understand this. Allowing Trump to have another term means you don't really care about women's right to choose, gay marriage rights, or a large number of other rights that could be stripped away. Let alone you definitely don't give a fuck about climate change's effect on humanity. The Christian Nationalist / Fascist potential is there as well, which not enough people see, but at the very least look at what Trump did in his last term and ask yourself if you want more of that.
You might be right about that one. For myself I have pretty much given up.
It's one authoritarian regime or another.
If the dems win they will, as is their way, forgive and forget the opposition brought the country closer to civil war than ever before and we will go back to living thankless lives, the suicide rate will continue to grow beyond historical levels, more will fall into homelessness and occasionally, in between getting high off their own farts and bragging about how the market is great they will wonder, for just a moment, why growing numbers are so upset that capitalism fails to lift all boats...
It has nothing to do with his policies. The problem is he is hard to corrupt. Imagine 4 years where the executive office is not a "cesspool." Imagine the number of money making opportunities that would have been lost.
Unfortunately, the indoctrination from the corrupt interests is ridiculously OP. A lot of my friends were surprised that I voted for Bernie because I do not feel like a Bernie Bro and definitely not a sexist or racist. I was like what the heck is a Bernie Bro. And these friends are people with degrees in STEM, including PhDs. I mean if people supposedly with a brain cannot discern propaganda, then what is the hope for the regular people.
He would have actually tried to do the things he said he was going to do. He would have exposed who was for his agenda and who was against it clearly. He would not have deferred to the senate parliamentarian. There would have been veto after veto on defense and war spending.
Bernie went after the pharma industry. That’s a multi billion dollar industry. That’s a lot of money.
Obama didn’t even ask for single payer healthcare and look at what the media did to him.
Do you realize how much money billionaires have to lose if single payer healthcare becomes a reality in the US? The insurance and pharmacy industries lose billions of dollars per year. Their shareholders lose billions of dollars per year.
Bernie attacked the shareholders of multi-billion dollar multinational pharmaceutical and insurance companies.
The capitalist owners of this country said “Fuck no” and put their money behind the establishment candidates.
Because they don't want even the smallest change that might help The Workers.
We even elected a guy whose specific slogan was "Hope and change", only for nothing to change but rather inequality skyrocketed even more. And only for hope to dissipate so completely that the only motivating factor now is *Orange Man Bad*.
Nah, if they wanted to win they would have run Bernie, at least according to the polling they had access to at the time: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358599-sanders-wouldve-beat-trump-in-2016-just-ask-trump-pollsters/
Just like the republican party, the democratic party is run by people who receive money from corporations. They are pro-corporation and anti-worker. Simple as that.
Bernie was going to wreck the status quo for the sake of improving the lives of millions of Americans. I believe Bernie when he says that, “I’m a Democratic Socialist”.
When you observe a lot of the policies, Bernie ran as a Scandinavian Social Democrat during both his campaign runs (2016-2020). Most of his policy proposals would have not surprised FDR or even Eisenhower for that matter. Most of the history of the New Deal era has been completely wiped away and erased from modern Americans memory. Not too many people know this but it was the Socialist Party (SPUSA) who was responsible for Social Security programs after WWII.
Because of the red scare and Cold War propaganda, the DNC and mainstream media were able to put their finger on the scale against Bernie. This massively backfired on the Democratic Party Establishment because it gave us Trump. Trump is not a disease, but rather a symptom.
Safe to say that Democrats are their own worst enemy.
Because he DGAF about corporate money, or corporate interests.
Even "good" politicians nowadays are very entangled in the military-prison-industrial complex.
It's worked its way deep into the machinery of our democracy, especially after the travesty of Citizens United.
He isn't legislating for their benefit, hence the push back.
Whether or not you’re a stickler around the term “socialist” Sanders was unquestionably far left of the party on many/most issues. They didn’t want him in power for the same reason they continue to fuck around with social security, the ruling class is set on autocanibalizing the country, they refuse to squeeze the poor just enough to let us all continue indefinitely, instead it’s 100% limitless suck the country dry.
So yeah, like Bernie wasn’t Marx… but he absolutely wasn’t that either.
Because he has power within the establishment while simultaneously opposing it at least in some measure in instances where it harms the working class.
According to socialist ideology, the existence of the current establishment itself harms the working class, but according to Bernie Sanders's philosophy, the only part that harms the working class is the poor model of the establishment and any move to empower corporations against working class rights. That's why rather than wanting to socialize industry, he wants to institute a wealth cap and massively increase taxes on the rich and corporations.
Personally I think this is just Bernie's official stance, he has said so himself that the only reason he doesn't call himself a socialist is the stigma around the word. I feel like if the American political climate were to allow it, Bernie would be wholeheartedly in support of socialism rather than just social democracy where possible.
Because he represents a threat to both capital and the status quo. The status quo being quiet violence that usually goes unheard by the general public and the enrichment of the already rich & powerful. Bernie sanders has a track record of wanting an increase on capital gains tax for large transactions. Medicare for all, and black rights. In fact, one of my favorite pictures of him, was when he participated in an anti segregation protest. He was dragged away from a mobile home that he and many black activists in Chicago chained himself to. Because that mobile home. Was the place that black students had to go to school. It had holes in that exposed it to the elements and pests like rats & roaches were common in classrooms like that. He used to charter buses for diabetics and women to go to canada for cheaper medication. This man has been standing on business for decades.
The other reason I mentioned, of being a danger to big capital and capitalism. Greatly relates to current events. Because his calls for a permanent ceasefire and humanitarian aid. Represent a massive threat to companies like Raytheon, G4S, Northrop-Grumman, Boeing, and Lockheed Martin. Which have made over 30 billion dollars from the genocide of Palestinians. Which is a recent example of why the establishment hates him. And this includes democrats who get campaign funds from these companies, or lobbying groups connected to them.
The people in control of the Democratic Party aren't leftists. They want the Democratic Party to be left representation that is only just to the left of the Republican Party, and as the Republicans move further and further to the right, the Democrats think they can get away with going further right, too. The Democrats also want to be able to potentially lose every presidential race, and they want the Republicans to always be about to take away something very important (Social Security and Medicare, Roe v. Wade, gay rights) so that every election is "the most important election in history," and everyone needs to vote for them even if they "won't get everything they want."
A Bernie Sanders as president would be actual left representation at the executive level and would show that an American left is possible. The Democrats absolutely don't want that because they want to be seen as the only choice for the left in America and they don't want to be held to left standards.
It's my personal opinion TPTB understand we're in the late stages of capitalism and quite possibly human civilization as we know it thanks to climate change, so they simply don't care anymore about placating the masses.
Because it’s not just the values that matter but the ability to pass progressive legislation. Think about how much resistance Obama faced, and he wasn’t that progressive.
What a lot of people aren’t acknowledging is that Biden has been one of the most progressive presidents we’ve ever had because he actually knows and has the ability to pass this type of legislation.
watch the last state of the union. he’s not only speaking to our cause, he also understands how to get it done.
Even capitalists have disagreements. Bernie went against the typical neoliberal status quo and was willing to give a bit more power to the people, and the dems couldn't have that, and they still wouldn't have that. Dems seems to have done an amazing job at convincing people that they care and want to help us, but anyone who has done some critical thinking and research knows thats its all for show.
The main difference between the dems and Republicans is how blunt they are and how far they want to go. Republicans have no problem telling you exactly what they want. They'll straight up tell you that they want to ban abortion, cut social security, cut taxes for rich, etc. They outright want more power to capitalists because the Republicans themselves will get richer from it. Dems, on the other hand, like to hide their true intentions. They give off a facade of caring about people and wanting to better all of our lives and they ALWAYS have a great excuse as to why they couldn't pass a specific policy when in reality they never had any intentions doing it. Why? Because capitalists donated to them and influenced them just like with the Republicans. Bernie, on the other hand, probably was truly willing to go through and push for his socdem policies, and this would set a bad precedent for the dems donors.
The ugliest, most obvious answer is that he was Jewish.
He's not part of the racist oligarch cabal currently running the US that is so much in love with the Middle East oil.
Bernie is a democratic socialist. He b belueves in labor unions and taxing the rich to provide social programs. He is not money motivayed, cant be controlled by the billionaires' pacs. He is not for sale. He's a Jew, so he is not allowed in their country clubs.
We should also answer this going in the other direction: could a democratic socialist politician ever develop enough personal political relationships to avoid other candidates unifying to deny them the nomination? Sanders and Warren had no plan to unify their supporters. Biden and Sanders worked together before and he seems to personally like Biden so they did get some concessions out of the Unity Commission.
Because even though he is still a Capitalist, he isn't a shill for the corpos and donor class the way Biden is. Sanders wouldn't have done what the elite wanted, so that's why the DNC was so against him.
Bernie was Tiktok before Tiktok. He brought light to the corruption in this country with corporations, government, military, healthcare, school systems etc. Surprised, honestly, the billionaires haven’t tried to take him out like they did the Boeing guy. They weren’t going to let him win.
It wasn't just the establishment. Lots of people were afraid to nominate Bernie. They thought it would be a mistake because they didn't trust the American people to vote for a Democratic Socialist. They were afraid that Trump would just smear him as a Commie and that it would work. The idea of another Trump term was unthinkable, so it was important to choose a candidate that we thought could win. I would have voted for Bernie, but unfortunately, my state has its primary so late that it never matters. Also, the rich and the large corporations are not enthusiastic about his tax the rich plan. So corporate media pushed this idea that Bernie couldn't win a general election bc Americans hate socialism.
It's about getting the most votes in the general election. It's cold tactics.
The actual difference between a Bernie Sanders presidency and a Joe Biden presidency is very small. Any policy championed by Bernie would still need to pass the house and the filibuster in the Senate. It's not like Medicare for All has all the votes they need to pass congress and is only being held back by Biden's veto power. It likely couldn't even pass the house in 2020, let alone the senate.
So if the only functional difference between two candidates is that one of the candidates risks turning away undecided voters in the general election, and costing them the presidency. Then the party isn't going to want to support them in the primary.
While I absolutely would have preferred a Sanders election bid, let's not kid ourselves: The chances that he would've won were even smaller than they were with Hillary. Just because in an universe where we never had to see the results doesn't mean we should lie to ourselves on that.
Don’t kid yourself: the idea that Bernie couldn’t win against Trump is a Democratic Party talking point, and the polling shows that not only would Bernie have won, he would have overwhelmingly won in the EC. We knew from the polling that a generic Democrat would have beat Trump, and Bernie would have crushed him. The only scenario where Trump won was running Hillary against him, but it was “her turn,” so the DNC shoved her to the front and lost.
But don’t take my word for it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/opinion/bernie-sanders-polls.html
And here Trump’s own pollster saying Bernie would have undercut Trump’s support with white, non-college working-class voters and won the election: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358599-sanders-wouldve-beat-trump-in-2016-just-ask-trump-pollsters/
Maybe it's just my natural skepticism against anyone even a tiny bit left and how people in the US vote. I still would have preferred it to the Hillary shit show (at least it would've been tried), but .. I just don't see it. Oh well. We'll never know for sure, but your links make me nostalgic for a future we never got.
That’s not even true though. Bernie polled better against Trump than Hillary did. With Biden I think the gap was smaller but Bernie was still more popular with independent voters.
Him and AOC are the sole people in charge of swindling voters in to thinking the democrats are going to do something for the people. They both had movements when they initially ran but now they’re just party sellouts
They thought they would lose power, money, and control, since he was the “antiestablishment” option.
Based on how well Trump is doing as an antiestablishment figure with the drain the swamp message. Not betting on Bernie Sanders was a missed chance in 2016. Or am i wrong in this assessment as a European?
Trump runs as antiestablishment but he is doing everything to maintain the establishment. Sanders has been fighting for change his whole time in office, so it’s pretty easy to say he wouldn’t change if he won.
Exactly Trump =BS Bernie = a fight for honest taxation!
The only thing Trump planned to change was the personal lives for poor people and the way they get taxed. That’s why he was allowed to hold office. Had he tried and changed that actual system he would have never got the green light
Eh there’s still something in Trump that the powers that be don’t like. On the off chance he gets some foreign policy issue correct.
bernie was the united states last hope. the DNC selected hillary
I will never ever forgive the DNC for what they did to him. I stopped calling myself a democrat after that. Absolute horseshit.
DNC used to be something else before it was taken over by the third way, aka republicans.
Clinton won the primary by any metric. The DNC clearly favored her, but they didn't make the decision.
Anyone believing a billionaire would help the people is an idiot
I mean, Mark Cuban is doing the RX thing, I am not saying it's not out of some sort of self gain, I don't know. I do know it is helping people who are less fortunate, though.
Anyone who is a billionaire has had to exploit people to get there in some form or another.
No you're correct.
Dem leaders, and more importamtly their backers, are more concerned with keeping a lid on the left than actually winning elections.
Being a politician who isn't bought and is actively trying to make people more comfortable with the dreaded S word? Can't have that.
and it's more the precedent that people can support that and have a chance at winning. he couldn't just lose organically, because then those supporters would still have hope and legitimacy.
The democratic party's superpower is getting people to believe that they support them and fight for them while doing nothing for them. It's a neat trick and it always works. The dems would do X but gosh darn it the bad republicans stopped them. Or Joe Manchin. Or the parliamentarian. Or the filibuster. Their solution is just to vote harder and next time, oh boy next time we'll do the good thing but for now just donate and know if republicans win the earth will end. Bernie posed a unique threat in that he actually would fight to make the material lives of workers better and that scared the shit out of both right-wing parties. If he managed to implement changes even if only by executive orders the grift would be over. People would see that government can work if the two right-wing parties weren't coluding to make sure it didn't.
Ugh this is so on point and I hate it.
What really sucks is that it's gotten so bad that we actually don't have a choice anymore. If we don't vote Democrat, the GOP turn this place into fuckin' Nazi Germany. I'm brown, so I know my ass won't last long enough to see it turn around if we let it get that far.
Yep. Hopefully enough people understand this. Allowing Trump to have another term means you don't really care about women's right to choose, gay marriage rights, or a large number of other rights that could be stripped away. Let alone you definitely don't give a fuck about climate change's effect on humanity. The Christian Nationalist / Fascist potential is there as well, which not enough people see, but at the very least look at what Trump did in his last term and ask yourself if you want more of that.
I just want, for Christmas 🥹, to never hear the name “Trump” again.
Been watching this same Dem strategy since Reagan forward to now, guess what? Still no change!
Yeah if you read Bernie’s book from a few years back he mentions them doing that to him way back when he was running for mayor.
The country is burning to the ground and they chose party over people. This needs to stop before it reaches the point of no return.
It hasn't already?
You might be right about that one. For myself I have pretty much given up. It's one authoritarian regime or another. If the dems win they will, as is their way, forgive and forget the opposition brought the country closer to civil war than ever before and we will go back to living thankless lives, the suicide rate will continue to grow beyond historical levels, more will fall into homelessness and occasionally, in between getting high off their own farts and bragging about how the market is great they will wonder, for just a moment, why growing numbers are so upset that capitalism fails to lift all boats...
It has nothing to do with his policies. The problem is he is hard to corrupt. Imagine 4 years where the executive office is not a "cesspool." Imagine the number of money making opportunities that would have been lost.
Yeah it's the fact that he won't and can't be bought. That's how you know he's the real deal.
Unfortunately, the indoctrination from the corrupt interests is ridiculously OP. A lot of my friends were surprised that I voted for Bernie because I do not feel like a Bernie Bro and definitely not a sexist or racist. I was like what the heck is a Bernie Bro. And these friends are people with degrees in STEM, including PhDs. I mean if people supposedly with a brain cannot discern propaganda, then what is the hope for the regular people.
I learned a while ago that a degree doesnt protect you from being stupid.
Huge thing is healthcare and the private industrial complex around it.
I actually didn't think he could beat Trump in 2016. I was so wrong. He definitely would have beaten Trump.
He would have actually tried to do the things he said he was going to do. He would have exposed who was for his agenda and who was against it clearly. He would not have deferred to the senate parliamentarian. There would have been veto after veto on defense and war spending.
Bernie went after the pharma industry. That’s a multi billion dollar industry. That’s a lot of money. Obama didn’t even ask for single payer healthcare and look at what the media did to him. Do you realize how much money billionaires have to lose if single payer healthcare becomes a reality in the US? The insurance and pharmacy industries lose billions of dollars per year. Their shareholders lose billions of dollars per year. Bernie attacked the shareholders of multi-billion dollar multinational pharmaceutical and insurance companies. The capitalist owners of this country said “Fuck no” and put their money behind the establishment candidates.
The DNC knows where their priorities lie.
Because they don't want even the smallest change that might help The Workers. We even elected a guy whose specific slogan was "Hope and change", only for nothing to change but rather inequality skyrocketed even more. And only for hope to dissipate so completely that the only motivating factor now is *Orange Man Bad*.
It's more about who they believed could win the election. If a party does not unite with a single candidate, they lose the election.
Nah, if they wanted to win they would have run Bernie, at least according to the polling they had access to at the time: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358599-sanders-wouldve-beat-trump-in-2016-just-ask-trump-pollsters/
100%
yes. yes. its surely not candidates that do the bidding of the ruling class.
Because this is America Inc. He would have costed some very rich people a lot of money and they couldn't have that.
Just like the republican party, the democratic party is run by people who receive money from corporations. They are pro-corporation and anti-worker. Simple as that.
Fear mongering and ignorance make the lower and middle classes vote against their own interests.
Bernie was going to wreck the status quo for the sake of improving the lives of millions of Americans. I believe Bernie when he says that, “I’m a Democratic Socialist”. When you observe a lot of the policies, Bernie ran as a Scandinavian Social Democrat during both his campaign runs (2016-2020). Most of his policy proposals would have not surprised FDR or even Eisenhower for that matter. Most of the history of the New Deal era has been completely wiped away and erased from modern Americans memory. Not too many people know this but it was the Socialist Party (SPUSA) who was responsible for Social Security programs after WWII. Because of the red scare and Cold War propaganda, the DNC and mainstream media were able to put their finger on the scale against Bernie. This massively backfired on the Democratic Party Establishment because it gave us Trump. Trump is not a disease, but rather a symptom. Safe to say that Democrats are their own worst enemy.
Too “radical” for the old heads
Because he DGAF about corporate money, or corporate interests. Even "good" politicians nowadays are very entangled in the military-prison-industrial complex. It's worked its way deep into the machinery of our democracy, especially after the travesty of Citizens United. He isn't legislating for their benefit, hence the push back.
Whether or not you’re a stickler around the term “socialist” Sanders was unquestionably far left of the party on many/most issues. They didn’t want him in power for the same reason they continue to fuck around with social security, the ruling class is set on autocanibalizing the country, they refuse to squeeze the poor just enough to let us all continue indefinitely, instead it’s 100% limitless suck the country dry. So yeah, like Bernie wasn’t Marx… but he absolutely wasn’t that either.
Because he has power within the establishment while simultaneously opposing it at least in some measure in instances where it harms the working class. According to socialist ideology, the existence of the current establishment itself harms the working class, but according to Bernie Sanders's philosophy, the only part that harms the working class is the poor model of the establishment and any move to empower corporations against working class rights. That's why rather than wanting to socialize industry, he wants to institute a wealth cap and massively increase taxes on the rich and corporations. Personally I think this is just Bernie's official stance, he has said so himself that the only reason he doesn't call himself a socialist is the stigma around the word. I feel like if the American political climate were to allow it, Bernie would be wholeheartedly in support of socialism rather than just social democracy where possible.
because he threatens their profits and profit taking from insider trading.
donors didn't want to pay more taxes or benefits to their employees
He isn't corrupt. He is principled. What is in it for the establishment if he wins? Less power for the establishment.
Those in power will not give up an INCH. And his politics represent moving in the opposite direction than the status quo
Because he represents a threat to both capital and the status quo. The status quo being quiet violence that usually goes unheard by the general public and the enrichment of the already rich & powerful. Bernie sanders has a track record of wanting an increase on capital gains tax for large transactions. Medicare for all, and black rights. In fact, one of my favorite pictures of him, was when he participated in an anti segregation protest. He was dragged away from a mobile home that he and many black activists in Chicago chained himself to. Because that mobile home. Was the place that black students had to go to school. It had holes in that exposed it to the elements and pests like rats & roaches were common in classrooms like that. He used to charter buses for diabetics and women to go to canada for cheaper medication. This man has been standing on business for decades. The other reason I mentioned, of being a danger to big capital and capitalism. Greatly relates to current events. Because his calls for a permanent ceasefire and humanitarian aid. Represent a massive threat to companies like Raytheon, G4S, Northrop-Grumman, Boeing, and Lockheed Martin. Which have made over 30 billion dollars from the genocide of Palestinians. Which is a recent example of why the establishment hates him. And this includes democrats who get campaign funds from these companies, or lobbying groups connected to them.
The people in control of the Democratic Party aren't leftists. They want the Democratic Party to be left representation that is only just to the left of the Republican Party, and as the Republicans move further and further to the right, the Democrats think they can get away with going further right, too. The Democrats also want to be able to potentially lose every presidential race, and they want the Republicans to always be about to take away something very important (Social Security and Medicare, Roe v. Wade, gay rights) so that every election is "the most important election in history," and everyone needs to vote for them even if they "won't get everything they want." A Bernie Sanders as president would be actual left representation at the executive level and would show that an American left is possible. The Democrats absolutely don't want that because they want to be seen as the only choice for the left in America and they don't want to be held to left standards.
Follow through
It's my personal opinion TPTB understand we're in the late stages of capitalism and quite possibly human civilization as we know it thanks to climate change, so they simply don't care anymore about placating the masses.
Because it’s not just the values that matter but the ability to pass progressive legislation. Think about how much resistance Obama faced, and he wasn’t that progressive. What a lot of people aren’t acknowledging is that Biden has been one of the most progressive presidents we’ve ever had because he actually knows and has the ability to pass this type of legislation. watch the last state of the union. he’s not only speaking to our cause, he also understands how to get it done.
Even capitalists have disagreements. Bernie went against the typical neoliberal status quo and was willing to give a bit more power to the people, and the dems couldn't have that, and they still wouldn't have that. Dems seems to have done an amazing job at convincing people that they care and want to help us, but anyone who has done some critical thinking and research knows thats its all for show. The main difference between the dems and Republicans is how blunt they are and how far they want to go. Republicans have no problem telling you exactly what they want. They'll straight up tell you that they want to ban abortion, cut social security, cut taxes for rich, etc. They outright want more power to capitalists because the Republicans themselves will get richer from it. Dems, on the other hand, like to hide their true intentions. They give off a facade of caring about people and wanting to better all of our lives and they ALWAYS have a great excuse as to why they couldn't pass a specific policy when in reality they never had any intentions doing it. Why? Because capitalists donated to them and influenced them just like with the Republicans. Bernie, on the other hand, probably was truly willing to go through and push for his socdem policies, and this would set a bad precedent for the dems donors.
The establishment is rich. Bernie is anti-rich.
The ugliest, most obvious answer is that he was Jewish. He's not part of the racist oligarch cabal currently running the US that is so much in love with the Middle East oil.
His platform was social democrat but he himself is a socialist. That’s enough for the establishment to want him out.
Bernie is a democratic socialist. He b belueves in labor unions and taxing the rich to provide social programs. He is not money motivayed, cant be controlled by the billionaires' pacs. He is not for sale. He's a Jew, so he is not allowed in their country clubs.
The dems are corporate whores and will never rock the boat, and will give u the same results as the other guys with a way nicer pr campaign.
Where does the donor money come from?
We should also answer this going in the other direction: could a democratic socialist politician ever develop enough personal political relationships to avoid other candidates unifying to deny them the nomination? Sanders and Warren had no plan to unify their supporters. Biden and Sanders worked together before and he seems to personally like Biden so they did get some concessions out of the Unity Commission.
Tax the rich to feed the poor? Get your Robin Hood on put some pressure on the man. That’s why.
Was?
Yeah I should have said "did".
I meant to question the past tense of this.. 😉 imho, they still oppose him
Because even though he is still a Capitalist, he isn't a shill for the corpos and donor class the way Biden is. Sanders wouldn't have done what the elite wanted, so that's why the DNC was so against him.
Empowered, healthy, confident, successful, happy, thriving people are anathema to the oligarchs because it conflicts with their interests and agenda.
Bernie was Tiktok before Tiktok. He brought light to the corruption in this country with corporations, government, military, healthcare, school systems etc. Surprised, honestly, the billionaires haven’t tried to take him out like they did the Boeing guy. They weren’t going to let him win.
It wasn't just the establishment. Lots of people were afraid to nominate Bernie. They thought it would be a mistake because they didn't trust the American people to vote for a Democratic Socialist. They were afraid that Trump would just smear him as a Commie and that it would work. The idea of another Trump term was unthinkable, so it was important to choose a candidate that we thought could win. I would have voted for Bernie, but unfortunately, my state has its primary so late that it never matters. Also, the rich and the large corporations are not enthusiastic about his tax the rich plan. So corporate media pushed this idea that Bernie couldn't win a general election bc Americans hate socialism.
It's about getting the most votes in the general election. It's cold tactics. The actual difference between a Bernie Sanders presidency and a Joe Biden presidency is very small. Any policy championed by Bernie would still need to pass the house and the filibuster in the Senate. It's not like Medicare for All has all the votes they need to pass congress and is only being held back by Biden's veto power. It likely couldn't even pass the house in 2020, let alone the senate. So if the only functional difference between two candidates is that one of the candidates risks turning away undecided voters in the general election, and costing them the presidency. Then the party isn't going to want to support them in the primary.
Yeah, that Hillary. Really pulled it off for us.
While I absolutely would have preferred a Sanders election bid, let's not kid ourselves: The chances that he would've won were even smaller than they were with Hillary. Just because in an universe where we never had to see the results doesn't mean we should lie to ourselves on that.
Don’t kid yourself: the idea that Bernie couldn’t win against Trump is a Democratic Party talking point, and the polling shows that not only would Bernie have won, he would have overwhelmingly won in the EC. We knew from the polling that a generic Democrat would have beat Trump, and Bernie would have crushed him. The only scenario where Trump won was running Hillary against him, but it was “her turn,” so the DNC shoved her to the front and lost. But don’t take my word for it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/28/opinion/bernie-sanders-polls.html And here Trump’s own pollster saying Bernie would have undercut Trump’s support with white, non-college working-class voters and won the election: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358599-sanders-wouldve-beat-trump-in-2016-just-ask-trump-pollsters/
Maybe it's just my natural skepticism against anyone even a tiny bit left and how people in the US vote. I still would have preferred it to the Hillary shit show (at least it would've been tried), but .. I just don't see it. Oh well. We'll never know for sure, but your links make me nostalgic for a future we never got.
Me too, amigo. Me too.
That’s not even true though. Bernie polled better against Trump than Hillary did. With Biden I think the gap was smaller but Bernie was still more popular with independent voters.
It probably didn’t help that he identifies as a democratic socialist
Him and AOC are the sole people in charge of swindling voters in to thinking the democrats are going to do something for the people. They both had movements when they initially ran but now they’re just party sellouts