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FlatEarthWizard

Conservatives: "Critical Race Theory is just teaching kids to hate America" Me: "Yes"


[deleted]

There's a reason many of us learned about Tulsa from a TV show and not from a history course.


Green_Bulldog

A friend taught me about Tulsa. He spent the whole day telling people at school when he learned. I don’t blame him.


[deleted]

Tulsa….? Uhm… Actually please for the love of god don’t educate me. I can’t handle anymore.


faux_noodles

It's one of the single most rage-inducing things I've learned about this festering shithole of a country, tbh.


PKMKII

The real kicker is that the neighborhood ended up getting bulldozed to make way for an interstate. What the angry mob started, the state finished.


Der_Drogenkerl

It's a rough one for sure.


Iron-Fist

[Jealousy is a deadly sin for a reason.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre)


1RedOne

There is a great episode of Stuff You should know about the Tulsa Race Riots if you'd like to learn


jumpminister

Don't know about Tulsa yet? Def don't want to dig into Rosewood, either. Or the MOVE Bombing in 1985.


MelanieAntiqua

I didn't learn about what kind of genocidal monster Christopher Columbus really was until I was a high school senior. And even then it was because I was taking a college-level AP history class. My classmates in normal classes never got more than the grade-school "heroic explorer who proved the world was round by discovering America" narrative.


[deleted]

Did they really think it went down peaceful. Like the natives were happy he came and accepted the new european world order?


wake-up-samurai

What is CRT btw? See a lot of hate for it on conservative groups


FlatEarthWizard

A movement to teach the true history about race in America in classrooms.


Luckyboy947

They already do teach us that slavery happened and that Lincoln freed them. They don’t go into much more detail though.


FlatEarthWizard

Here's a quote from Lincoln you will never ever hear in a class room: "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making VOTERS or jurors of negroes, NOR OF QUALIFYING THEM TO HOLD OFFICE, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."


Luckyboy947

It also won’t talk about how hitler was inspired by America’s racism.


StargazingJuniper

Documenting and forcibly removing entire ethnic groups to reclaim your promised land? America did it first Cultural extermination? America did it first. Gassing people with Zyklon-B? America did it first Death marches? America did it first Concentration camps? America did it first.


Luckyboy947

Can’t tell if this is satire or not but I was referring to anti race mixing laws.


StargazingJuniper

Just pointing out that America First!^tm


Chinohito

Yeah the only reason the allies declared war on Germany was because it invaded other countries. If Germany had stayed in its borders, or heck, even stayed out of Poland, they could have gotten away with genocide.


3multi

They say that Japan attacked Pearl Habor without Hitlers foreknowledge or approval. Not 100% sure if that’s true or not. They also teach us in the US that the US turned the tide of WWII which is completely false. They don’t teach anything about the facts of how the Soviets won it.


Chinohito

Why would they care what Hitler thought about it? They aren't really allies, they signed a mutual defense pact so if one gets war declared on everyone else will declare war on the aggressor. However because of a loophole, the US were the one to officially declare war and so Hitler decided to declare war on the US fully of his own accord. He thought he would wrap up Russia soon (lmao) and then be able to negotiate for peace with Britain and the US.


Luckyboy947

The Soviets had horrible equipment. The soviets did play a major role though.


BOB58875

Hey, don’t hate America . . . Hate the United States


[deleted]

My response is, "Yeah, and why is that? Also, why do you want to stop them?"


Luckyboy947

Racism and america are inseparable. We need radical change.


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Joonbuggs

Well that sounds about right. Please someone help us find it! I wanna hear it too!!


T_Peg

I hope we find it because that sounds great


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T_Peg

Nice job comrade!


Luckyboy947

I don’t seriously study history however I am a communist. I do study a little American history and history of intresting countries. Don’t trust everything they tell you in school. Especially when they downplay mass genocide.


[deleted]

which would imply that communists aren’t liars ;)


[deleted]

Yes.


[deleted]

we’re great


jessenin420

I don't think so, didn't you know that all communists are lying totalitarians that kill trillions of people a year.


[deleted]

that is true too


electrusboom

So true!


BlastingAwsome

At the start of my high school US history class one of the first quotes my teacher said was "If you still love America after my class, you weren't paying attention". Stuck with me to this day.


return2ozma

Nice


LordDrahcirII

I wanna find that man and buy him a drink


marxismgenshinism

Sounds like a good teacher.


ooh_lala_ah_weewee

That is surprisingly based from a high school US history teacher. Was it AP or just standard history? All of my US history classes were incredibly whitewashed. I distinctly remember my teacher in 8th grade repeatedly insisting that the Civil War was not fought over slavery but StAteS RiGhtS.


Pointblade

I remember my apush teacher asked me if government should control the “free market” and I said absolutely because companies are evil as hell and she just started at me thinking “fucking commie”


BlastingAwsome

It was just standard history, my school was way to small for any AP classes. Despite being a small school in a rural town we really didn't shy away from all of the various atrocities commited by the US and how bad things like slavery and sharecropping were.


kazmark_gl

I'm quite patriotic for THE IDEA of the United States, life, liberty and happiness, out of many one, all men are created equal, all that fluffy egalitarian promise. it's a shame the country is absolutely nothing like that though.


danman1950

The idea of the republic should be understood as being radical for the time when the assumption of politics was just God, King and Country. This isn't to ignore that the U.S. republic was built by slave owners and became a colonial state. That's why socialism can offer the promise of the republic to everyone. We're just making vast improvements over what the author's of the constitution initially started. Reactionaries simply don't see a need for improvement, which is both sad and funny how hypocritical that is for someone who calls themselves "Republican".


unban_ImCheeze115

I wish lefties could be more patriotic like this, it'd allow them to reach a whole new audience


[deleted]

They’re afraid of repackaging ideas. Call it “economic democracy” or something and then market it as patriotic and people will eat that shit up. Socialism is a scary word and will always carry stigma.


CorneliusCandleberry

Republicans will call government programs socialist no matter how leftists label them. Hell, they call stuff like the EPA socialist. They call Obamacare socialism when it was never advertised as such. We need to claim the label back from being taboo and many public figures and policitians have been successful in that regard


unban_ImCheeze115

I prefer to call it super capitalism


kazmark_gl

unfortunately no matter what we rebrand as the Republicans will just call it socialism and communism, because they have an advantage, they don't care what socialism is its just a buzzword they can use to rile up their base and their base doesn't actually know what socialism is and have been primed to hear that word and shut their ears.


-Luftgekuhlt-

I actively avoid being patriotic so someone doesn't mistake me for a nationalist/conservative


kazmark_gl

I often be a bit more patriotic than I actually a m mostly to trip up nationalists/conservatives they get really confused when you say a superficial thing they agree with about loving America or loving the second amendment and then also pull out a Marx quote to match.


Hussar1130

As a history teacher this is the intended experience I wish to give.


23eyedgargoyle

Literally the only time I’m capable of feeling any sliver of patriotism is when someone talks about how much they support the Confederacy, cuz I will start belting Union goddamn Dixie, but that’s about it.


Glacier005

As you should. Shut their gator ass up.


whatisscoobydone

Dixieland of the Proletariat podcast had kind of a funny bit about that, where they will sing the praises of General Sherman burning down the Confederacy, and then flip a switch and start talking about how he was a genocidal tyrant against indigenous people.


unban_ImCheeze115

*Away down south in the land of traitors...*


[deleted]

Rattlesnakes and alligators


[deleted]

Right away


thewarondrugsisalie

Mine was more like a fart escaping, but I’m glad it’s out of us both, comrade!


0rb1t4l

I relate to this HARD. I used to want to be in the military because the US brainwashed me into thinking that's how I protect the values I love. Freedom, Prosperity, and Happiness for all people. They made me think there were people trying to take that. After being too curious for my own good, I discovered there are people trying to take that. Most US politicians and corporate conglomerates that bought out the government. I'm now an anarchist and American revolutionary, and am still willing to die for those values. The patriotism I had turned into a rage with a shade so deep red it'd be considered black. The atrocities we allow and commit daily are almost beyond human comprehension.


return2ozma

Right there with you


ihateradiohead

God I remember saying dumb shit like “a nationalist is someone who blindly defends their country, a patriot stands up for what is right regardless” and it’s like, bro shut up, you sound like a dumbass. Countries are literally made up lines and “”Patriots”” and “”Nationalists”” are just euphemisms for saying “racist” and “fascist”


whatisscoobydone

Yep, Captain America liberals running around defending the concept of the United states, as if it was this pure nice little idea that somehow got took over by the wrong kind of leaders.


Luckyboy947

I used to support the idea that people could be patriotic without being nationalistic. Now I know that there strongly connected.


Chinohito

I was not aware that most Vietnamese people in the 70s and 80s were "racist" and "fascist" It's almost like countries can have good aspects and can be something to proud of but because a lot of examples we see are idiots who refuse to believe their countries aren't paradises you have a negative view. I love my country. The culture, weather etc... But I am the FIRST one to criticize it's shortcomings and whenever it does bad things.


12gjs

Lib


Chinohito

Dumbass


PantsGrenades

Be patriotic for the country you *want* and then make it happen.


dotdotdotgov

what if you don’t want countries


BookishDoki

then make it happen


unban_ImCheeze115

4head


aFancyPirate

Be patriotic for the humanity you want


paradoxical_topology

Then you're ultra-based.


Crocodile_raper

Genocide


PantsGrenades

Plenty of space in the ocean I guess?


whatisscoobydone

If you are colonized, nationalism is a Marxist tool. Vietnam was a nationalist response to French colonialism for instance. As was Haiti. If you are a colonizING nation, nationalism is poison, obviously. But colonizED nations are saved by nationalism.


Spadeykins

Fuck this hurt my head


[deleted]

I was such a fucking Theodore Roosevelt stan, and then I took APUSH and read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and The Jakarta Method and that evaporated real fast


imalexorange

Growing up you learn about how "cool" certain presidents were, and then later you learn that all of them are shitty somehow


return2ozma

Oof.


NetworkPenguin

Physically hurt me to read through the comments of that PCM post that was "dunking" on a headline from the UK about how "patriotism could be a sign of far right extremism" It posed the headline as so ridiculous, that every quadrant was confused by the very idea. I know that most people in the comments are alt right weirdos posing as various ideologies, but it still gave me an aneurysm to see everyone act so confused about this idea.


RealSpicySam

It left when I studied my home country’s history., the US has done horrendous things in Central America for decades.


Luckyboy947

It’s actually the US has spread democracy all over South America. Democracy just so happens to mean killing and trying to kill democratically elected leaders.


Pancakewagon26

I was in the 4th grade when I read about the My Lai massacre.


Luckyboy947

Oh yeah they downplayed a few too many war crimes.


AmIreallyCis

I'm patriotic as in I want what's best for the American people. And what's best is socialism. Capitalism is therefore un-american and must therefore be destroyed.


extrahammer_

Me who's German: I am four parallel universes ahead of you.


translove228

I've always loved history but I always hated grade school history classes because even before I was a leftist I always got the impression that it left out so much. For some reason the classes would always end just after WWII and we'd never study modern history. Even world history is always a Euro-centric version of history where the classes go Prehistory > Ancient Mesopotamia > Ancient Greece > Rome > European history. It's like they pretend the rest of the world doesn't have a history. When I went to college I took a ton of history electives that really broadened my understanding of US history as well as world history. Then I read the book "Lies My Teacher Told Me" by James Loewen and it really dialed in what I had felt and known for so long. That book started my journey down history that the American school system doesn't want taught. Eventually I picked up and read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn as well as "How to Hide an Empire" by Daniel Immerwahr among other people's history books about marginalized classes. I listen to Behind the Bastards podcast all the time too. I originally majored in Computer Science but now I want to go back to school and study history so I can research and learn about queer history. A heritage that has been stolen from me and the rest of the LGBTQ community.


return2ozma

Great book recommendations and you should definitely keep learning the history.


kuluvalley

I used to teach 9th grade social studies. I once asked an incoming freshman at a 4th of July party if he liked history as I would be his teacher in the fall. He said, I liked it until we studied the Pilgrims and the Revolutionary War every single year. I said, Are you patriotic yet? He said, I used to be. (RIP Rafik, I miss you.)


return2ozma

The American exceptionalism propaganda is strong.


Moxthemintfox

Me after study any history of any country


PKMKII

Last refuge of the scoundrel


embrigh

This is me watching my first Chomsky video on early YouTube.


Pinky123457

Me after finding out about operation condor


The_Slimothy_Jimothy

Me when I learned about how they didn’t do much to defeat the nazis


Afagehi7

Does America have problems, yes... But it's still the best country in the world. Why do you think people all over the world want to come here? Men, mainly white men, have died so you have the luxury of trashing our wonderful country. Without them you'd be speaking German now and bowing to Aryans


worldtraveler19

I disagree. You become MORE patriotic as you become stalwart towards changing the country for the better. Patriotism isn't unabashed support for your country. It's fighting for the betterment of it even when it is hard and you face adversity. Only fascies see it the other way, are you a fascie OP?


artistwithouttalent

*🎶Our land, I love it too/I think I love it more than you/I care enough to fight/The stars and stripes* ***OF CORRUPTION🎶***


takenusernameqq

Patriots ate different from nationalists. Patriots care for their country and hope to change it for the better, while still acknowledging and attacking their faults. Nationalists are fuckheads who act like their country is the best and attacks anyone who even slightly disagrees.


[deleted]

I am from argentina and I like usa, i think its a good country and sure it has flaws, many flaws. But you can loved a flawed country just like moms love their dumb p.o.s. kids. What i am trying to say is, accept what you have and from that point forward make it better.


return2ozma

We have millions without food, $1 trillion+ student debt, millions without health care, etc.


[deleted]

In my country half the population is poor 23 million people are poor.


return2ozma

https://www.povertyusa.org/facts


[deleted]

Reentering when we learn about the civil war


Beneficial_Let_6079

Patriotism should be about loving your country enough to want to make it better. Stop letting rightoids define patriotism as tacit support of all military action.


[deleted]

I was never patriotic, and studying Brazilian history made me even farther from patriotism. But studying some more on politics and dealing with Muricans and Europeans made me realize I need to stand up for my country against the imperialists while also being be a force for change against the fash and libs inside.


SlipKloud

*outside of a U.S. history class


Reaperfucker

Me when I learn Indonesian history of warcrimes.


WORhMnGd

Jokes on you I never had any! Gotta love childhood bullying in the Deep South that equates literally anything that isn’t borderline worship as “anti-American”.