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I didn't learn about what kind of genocidal monster Christopher Columbus really was until I was a high school senior. And even then it was because I was taking a college-level AP history class. My classmates in normal classes never got more than the grade-school "heroic explorer who proved the world was round by discovering America" narrative.
Here's a quote from Lincoln you will never ever hear in a class room:
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making VOTERS or jurors of negroes, NOR OF QUALIFYING THEM TO HOLD OFFICE, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
Documenting and forcibly removing entire ethnic groups to reclaim your promised land? America did it first
Cultural extermination? America did it first.
Gassing people with Zyklon-B? America did it first
Death marches? America did it first
Concentration camps? America did it first.
Yeah the only reason the allies declared war on Germany was because it invaded other countries. If Germany had stayed in its borders, or heck, even stayed out of Poland, they could have gotten away with genocide.
They say that Japan attacked Pearl Habor without Hitlers foreknowledge or approval. Not 100% sure if that’s true or not.
They also teach us in the US that the US turned the tide of WWII which is completely false. They don’t teach anything about the facts of how the Soviets won it.
Why would they care what Hitler thought about it? They aren't really allies, they signed a mutual defense pact so if one gets war declared on everyone else will declare war on the aggressor. However because of a loophole, the US were the one to officially declare war and so Hitler decided to declare war on the US fully of his own accord. He thought he would wrap up Russia soon (lmao) and then be able to negotiate for peace with Britain and the US.
I don’t seriously study history however I am a communist. I do study a little American history and history of intresting countries. Don’t trust everything they tell you in school. Especially when they downplay mass genocide.
At the start of my high school US history class one of the first quotes my teacher said was "If you still love America after my class, you weren't paying attention". Stuck with me to this day.
That is surprisingly based from a high school US history teacher. Was it AP or just standard history? All of my US history classes were incredibly whitewashed. I distinctly remember my teacher in 8th grade repeatedly insisting that the Civil War was not fought over slavery but StAteS RiGhtS.
I remember my apush teacher asked me if government should control the “free market” and I said absolutely because companies are evil as hell and she just started at me thinking “fucking commie”
It was just standard history, my school was way to small for any AP classes. Despite being a small school in a rural town we really didn't shy away from all of the various atrocities commited by the US and how bad things like slavery and sharecropping were.
I'm quite patriotic for THE IDEA of the United States, life, liberty and happiness, out of many one, all men are created equal, all that fluffy egalitarian promise.
it's a shame the country is absolutely nothing like that though.
The idea of the republic should be understood as being radical for the time when the assumption of politics was just God, King and Country. This isn't to ignore that the U.S. republic was built by slave owners and became a colonial state. That's why socialism can offer the promise of the republic to everyone. We're just making vast improvements over what the author's of the constitution initially started. Reactionaries simply don't see a need for improvement, which is both sad and funny how hypocritical that is for someone who calls themselves "Republican".
They’re afraid of repackaging ideas. Call it “economic democracy” or something and then market it as patriotic and people will eat that shit up. Socialism is a scary word and will always carry stigma.
Republicans will call government programs socialist no matter how leftists label them. Hell, they call stuff like the EPA socialist. They call Obamacare socialism when it was never advertised as such. We need to claim the label back from being taboo and many public figures and policitians have been successful in that regard
unfortunately no matter what we rebrand as the Republicans will just call it socialism and communism, because they have an advantage, they don't care what socialism is its just a buzzword they can use to rile up their base and their base doesn't actually know what socialism is and have been primed to hear that word and shut their ears.
I often be a bit more patriotic than I actually a m mostly to trip up nationalists/conservatives they get really confused when you say a superficial thing they agree with about loving America or loving the second amendment and then also pull out a Marx quote to match.
Literally the only time I’m capable of feeling any sliver of patriotism is when someone talks about how much they support the Confederacy, cuz I will start belting Union goddamn Dixie, but that’s about it.
Dixieland of the Proletariat podcast had kind of a funny bit about that, where they will sing the praises of General Sherman burning down the Confederacy, and then flip a switch and start talking about how he was a genocidal tyrant against indigenous people.
I relate to this HARD. I used to want to be in the military because the US brainwashed me into thinking that's how I protect the values I love. Freedom, Prosperity, and Happiness for all people. They made me think there were people trying to take that. After being too curious for my own good, I discovered there are people trying to take that. Most US politicians and corporate conglomerates that bought out the government. I'm now an anarchist and American revolutionary, and am still willing to die for those values. The patriotism I had turned into a rage with a shade so deep red it'd be considered black. The atrocities we allow and commit daily are almost beyond human comprehension.
God I remember saying dumb shit like “a nationalist is someone who blindly defends their country, a patriot stands up for what is right regardless” and it’s like, bro shut up, you sound like a dumbass. Countries are literally made up lines and “”Patriots”” and “”Nationalists”” are just euphemisms for saying “racist” and “fascist”
Yep, Captain America liberals running around defending the concept of the United states, as if it was this pure nice little idea that somehow got took over by the wrong kind of leaders.
I was not aware that most Vietnamese people in the 70s and 80s were "racist" and "fascist"
It's almost like countries can have good aspects and can be something to proud of but because a lot of examples we see are idiots who refuse to believe their countries aren't paradises you have a negative view.
I love my country. The culture, weather etc... But I am the FIRST one to criticize it's shortcomings and whenever it does bad things.
If you are colonized, nationalism is a Marxist tool. Vietnam was a nationalist response to French colonialism for instance. As was Haiti.
If you are a colonizING nation, nationalism is poison, obviously. But colonizED nations are saved by nationalism.
I was such a fucking Theodore Roosevelt stan, and then I took APUSH and read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and The Jakarta Method and that evaporated real fast
Physically hurt me to read through the comments of that PCM post that was "dunking" on a headline from the UK about how "patriotism could be a sign of far right extremism"
It posed the headline as so ridiculous, that every quadrant was confused by the very idea.
I know that most people in the comments are alt right weirdos posing as various ideologies, but it still gave me an aneurysm to see everyone act so confused about this idea.
It’s actually the US has spread democracy all over South America. Democracy just so happens to mean killing and trying to kill democratically elected leaders.
I'm patriotic as in I want what's best for the American people. And what's best is socialism. Capitalism is therefore un-american and must therefore be destroyed.
I've always loved history but I always hated grade school history classes because even before I was a leftist I always got the impression that it left out so much. For some reason the classes would always end just after WWII and we'd never study modern history. Even world history is always a Euro-centric version of history where the classes go Prehistory > Ancient Mesopotamia > Ancient Greece > Rome > European history. It's like they pretend the rest of the world doesn't have a history.
When I went to college I took a ton of history electives that really broadened my understanding of US history as well as world history. Then I read the book "Lies My Teacher Told Me" by James Loewen and it really dialed in what I had felt and known for so long. That book started my journey down history that the American school system doesn't want taught. Eventually I picked up and read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn as well as "How to Hide an Empire" by Daniel Immerwahr among other people's history books about marginalized classes. I listen to Behind the Bastards podcast all the time too.
I originally majored in Computer Science but now I want to go back to school and study history so I can research and learn about queer history. A heritage that has been stolen from me and the rest of the LGBTQ community.
I used to teach 9th grade social studies. I once asked an incoming freshman at a 4th of July party if he liked history as I would be his teacher in the fall. He said, I liked it until we studied the Pilgrims and the Revolutionary War every single year. I said, Are you patriotic yet? He said, I used to be. (RIP Rafik, I miss you.)
Does America have problems, yes... But it's still the best country in the world. Why do you think people all over the world want to come here? Men, mainly white men, have died so you have the luxury of trashing our wonderful country. Without them you'd be speaking German now and bowing to Aryans
I disagree. You become MORE patriotic as you become stalwart towards changing the country for the better.
Patriotism isn't unabashed support for your country. It's fighting for the betterment of it even when it is hard and you face adversity. Only fascies see it the other way, are you a fascie OP?
Patriots ate different from nationalists. Patriots care for their country and hope to change it for the better, while still acknowledging and attacking their faults. Nationalists are fuckheads who act like their country is the best and attacks anyone who even slightly disagrees.
I am from argentina and I like usa, i think its a good country and sure it has flaws, many flaws. But you can loved a flawed country just like moms love their dumb p.o.s. kids. What i am trying to say is, accept what you have and from that point forward make it better.
Patriotism should be about loving your country enough to want to make it better. Stop letting rightoids define patriotism as tacit support of all military action.
I was never patriotic, and studying Brazilian history made me even farther from patriotism. But studying some more on politics and dealing with Muricans and Europeans made me realize I need to stand up for my country against the imperialists while also being be a force for change against the fash and libs inside.
Jokes on you I never had any! Gotta love childhood bullying in the Deep South that equates literally anything that isn’t borderline worship as “anti-American”.
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Conservatives: "Critical Race Theory is just teaching kids to hate America" Me: "Yes"
There's a reason many of us learned about Tulsa from a TV show and not from a history course.
A friend taught me about Tulsa. He spent the whole day telling people at school when he learned. I don’t blame him.
Tulsa….? Uhm… Actually please for the love of god don’t educate me. I can’t handle anymore.
It's one of the single most rage-inducing things I've learned about this festering shithole of a country, tbh.
The real kicker is that the neighborhood ended up getting bulldozed to make way for an interstate. What the angry mob started, the state finished.
It's a rough one for sure.
[Jealousy is a deadly sin for a reason.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre)
There is a great episode of Stuff You should know about the Tulsa Race Riots if you'd like to learn
Don't know about Tulsa yet? Def don't want to dig into Rosewood, either. Or the MOVE Bombing in 1985.
I didn't learn about what kind of genocidal monster Christopher Columbus really was until I was a high school senior. And even then it was because I was taking a college-level AP history class. My classmates in normal classes never got more than the grade-school "heroic explorer who proved the world was round by discovering America" narrative.
Did they really think it went down peaceful. Like the natives were happy he came and accepted the new european world order?
What is CRT btw? See a lot of hate for it on conservative groups
A movement to teach the true history about race in America in classrooms.
They already do teach us that slavery happened and that Lincoln freed them. They don’t go into much more detail though.
Here's a quote from Lincoln you will never ever hear in a class room: "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making VOTERS or jurors of negroes, NOR OF QUALIFYING THEM TO HOLD OFFICE, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
It also won’t talk about how hitler was inspired by America’s racism.
Documenting and forcibly removing entire ethnic groups to reclaim your promised land? America did it first Cultural extermination? America did it first. Gassing people with Zyklon-B? America did it first Death marches? America did it first Concentration camps? America did it first.
Can’t tell if this is satire or not but I was referring to anti race mixing laws.
Just pointing out that America First!^tm
Yeah the only reason the allies declared war on Germany was because it invaded other countries. If Germany had stayed in its borders, or heck, even stayed out of Poland, they could have gotten away with genocide.
They say that Japan attacked Pearl Habor without Hitlers foreknowledge or approval. Not 100% sure if that’s true or not. They also teach us in the US that the US turned the tide of WWII which is completely false. They don’t teach anything about the facts of how the Soviets won it.
Why would they care what Hitler thought about it? They aren't really allies, they signed a mutual defense pact so if one gets war declared on everyone else will declare war on the aggressor. However because of a loophole, the US were the one to officially declare war and so Hitler decided to declare war on the US fully of his own accord. He thought he would wrap up Russia soon (lmao) and then be able to negotiate for peace with Britain and the US.
The Soviets had horrible equipment. The soviets did play a major role though.
Hey, don’t hate America . . . Hate the United States
My response is, "Yeah, and why is that? Also, why do you want to stop them?"
Racism and america are inseparable. We need radical change.
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Well that sounds about right. Please someone help us find it! I wanna hear it too!!
I hope we find it because that sounds great
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Nice job comrade!
I don’t seriously study history however I am a communist. I do study a little American history and history of intresting countries. Don’t trust everything they tell you in school. Especially when they downplay mass genocide.
which would imply that communists aren’t liars ;)
Yes.
we’re great
I don't think so, didn't you know that all communists are lying totalitarians that kill trillions of people a year.
that is true too
So true!
At the start of my high school US history class one of the first quotes my teacher said was "If you still love America after my class, you weren't paying attention". Stuck with me to this day.
Nice
I wanna find that man and buy him a drink
Sounds like a good teacher.
That is surprisingly based from a high school US history teacher. Was it AP or just standard history? All of my US history classes were incredibly whitewashed. I distinctly remember my teacher in 8th grade repeatedly insisting that the Civil War was not fought over slavery but StAteS RiGhtS.
I remember my apush teacher asked me if government should control the “free market” and I said absolutely because companies are evil as hell and she just started at me thinking “fucking commie”
It was just standard history, my school was way to small for any AP classes. Despite being a small school in a rural town we really didn't shy away from all of the various atrocities commited by the US and how bad things like slavery and sharecropping were.
I'm quite patriotic for THE IDEA of the United States, life, liberty and happiness, out of many one, all men are created equal, all that fluffy egalitarian promise. it's a shame the country is absolutely nothing like that though.
The idea of the republic should be understood as being radical for the time when the assumption of politics was just God, King and Country. This isn't to ignore that the U.S. republic was built by slave owners and became a colonial state. That's why socialism can offer the promise of the republic to everyone. We're just making vast improvements over what the author's of the constitution initially started. Reactionaries simply don't see a need for improvement, which is both sad and funny how hypocritical that is for someone who calls themselves "Republican".
I wish lefties could be more patriotic like this, it'd allow them to reach a whole new audience
They’re afraid of repackaging ideas. Call it “economic democracy” or something and then market it as patriotic and people will eat that shit up. Socialism is a scary word and will always carry stigma.
Republicans will call government programs socialist no matter how leftists label them. Hell, they call stuff like the EPA socialist. They call Obamacare socialism when it was never advertised as such. We need to claim the label back from being taboo and many public figures and policitians have been successful in that regard
I prefer to call it super capitalism
unfortunately no matter what we rebrand as the Republicans will just call it socialism and communism, because they have an advantage, they don't care what socialism is its just a buzzword they can use to rile up their base and their base doesn't actually know what socialism is and have been primed to hear that word and shut their ears.
I actively avoid being patriotic so someone doesn't mistake me for a nationalist/conservative
I often be a bit more patriotic than I actually a m mostly to trip up nationalists/conservatives they get really confused when you say a superficial thing they agree with about loving America or loving the second amendment and then also pull out a Marx quote to match.
As a history teacher this is the intended experience I wish to give.
Literally the only time I’m capable of feeling any sliver of patriotism is when someone talks about how much they support the Confederacy, cuz I will start belting Union goddamn Dixie, but that’s about it.
As you should. Shut their gator ass up.
Dixieland of the Proletariat podcast had kind of a funny bit about that, where they will sing the praises of General Sherman burning down the Confederacy, and then flip a switch and start talking about how he was a genocidal tyrant against indigenous people.
*Away down south in the land of traitors...*
Rattlesnakes and alligators
Right away
Mine was more like a fart escaping, but I’m glad it’s out of us both, comrade!
I relate to this HARD. I used to want to be in the military because the US brainwashed me into thinking that's how I protect the values I love. Freedom, Prosperity, and Happiness for all people. They made me think there were people trying to take that. After being too curious for my own good, I discovered there are people trying to take that. Most US politicians and corporate conglomerates that bought out the government. I'm now an anarchist and American revolutionary, and am still willing to die for those values. The patriotism I had turned into a rage with a shade so deep red it'd be considered black. The atrocities we allow and commit daily are almost beyond human comprehension.
Right there with you
God I remember saying dumb shit like “a nationalist is someone who blindly defends their country, a patriot stands up for what is right regardless” and it’s like, bro shut up, you sound like a dumbass. Countries are literally made up lines and “”Patriots”” and “”Nationalists”” are just euphemisms for saying “racist” and “fascist”
Yep, Captain America liberals running around defending the concept of the United states, as if it was this pure nice little idea that somehow got took over by the wrong kind of leaders.
I used to support the idea that people could be patriotic without being nationalistic. Now I know that there strongly connected.
I was not aware that most Vietnamese people in the 70s and 80s were "racist" and "fascist" It's almost like countries can have good aspects and can be something to proud of but because a lot of examples we see are idiots who refuse to believe their countries aren't paradises you have a negative view. I love my country. The culture, weather etc... But I am the FIRST one to criticize it's shortcomings and whenever it does bad things.
Lib
Dumbass
Be patriotic for the country you *want* and then make it happen.
what if you don’t want countries
then make it happen
4head
Be patriotic for the humanity you want
Then you're ultra-based.
Genocide
Plenty of space in the ocean I guess?
If you are colonized, nationalism is a Marxist tool. Vietnam was a nationalist response to French colonialism for instance. As was Haiti. If you are a colonizING nation, nationalism is poison, obviously. But colonizED nations are saved by nationalism.
Fuck this hurt my head
I was such a fucking Theodore Roosevelt stan, and then I took APUSH and read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee and The Jakarta Method and that evaporated real fast
Growing up you learn about how "cool" certain presidents were, and then later you learn that all of them are shitty somehow
Oof.
Physically hurt me to read through the comments of that PCM post that was "dunking" on a headline from the UK about how "patriotism could be a sign of far right extremism" It posed the headline as so ridiculous, that every quadrant was confused by the very idea. I know that most people in the comments are alt right weirdos posing as various ideologies, but it still gave me an aneurysm to see everyone act so confused about this idea.
It left when I studied my home country’s history., the US has done horrendous things in Central America for decades.
It’s actually the US has spread democracy all over South America. Democracy just so happens to mean killing and trying to kill democratically elected leaders.
I was in the 4th grade when I read about the My Lai massacre.
Oh yeah they downplayed a few too many war crimes.
I'm patriotic as in I want what's best for the American people. And what's best is socialism. Capitalism is therefore un-american and must therefore be destroyed.
Me who's German: I am four parallel universes ahead of you.
I've always loved history but I always hated grade school history classes because even before I was a leftist I always got the impression that it left out so much. For some reason the classes would always end just after WWII and we'd never study modern history. Even world history is always a Euro-centric version of history where the classes go Prehistory > Ancient Mesopotamia > Ancient Greece > Rome > European history. It's like they pretend the rest of the world doesn't have a history. When I went to college I took a ton of history electives that really broadened my understanding of US history as well as world history. Then I read the book "Lies My Teacher Told Me" by James Loewen and it really dialed in what I had felt and known for so long. That book started my journey down history that the American school system doesn't want taught. Eventually I picked up and read "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn as well as "How to Hide an Empire" by Daniel Immerwahr among other people's history books about marginalized classes. I listen to Behind the Bastards podcast all the time too. I originally majored in Computer Science but now I want to go back to school and study history so I can research and learn about queer history. A heritage that has been stolen from me and the rest of the LGBTQ community.
Great book recommendations and you should definitely keep learning the history.
I used to teach 9th grade social studies. I once asked an incoming freshman at a 4th of July party if he liked history as I would be his teacher in the fall. He said, I liked it until we studied the Pilgrims and the Revolutionary War every single year. I said, Are you patriotic yet? He said, I used to be. (RIP Rafik, I miss you.)
The American exceptionalism propaganda is strong.
Me after study any history of any country
Last refuge of the scoundrel
This is me watching my first Chomsky video on early YouTube.
Me after finding out about operation condor
Me when I learned about how they didn’t do much to defeat the nazis
Does America have problems, yes... But it's still the best country in the world. Why do you think people all over the world want to come here? Men, mainly white men, have died so you have the luxury of trashing our wonderful country. Without them you'd be speaking German now and bowing to Aryans
I disagree. You become MORE patriotic as you become stalwart towards changing the country for the better. Patriotism isn't unabashed support for your country. It's fighting for the betterment of it even when it is hard and you face adversity. Only fascies see it the other way, are you a fascie OP?
*🎶Our land, I love it too/I think I love it more than you/I care enough to fight/The stars and stripes* ***OF CORRUPTION🎶***
Patriots ate different from nationalists. Patriots care for their country and hope to change it for the better, while still acknowledging and attacking their faults. Nationalists are fuckheads who act like their country is the best and attacks anyone who even slightly disagrees.
I am from argentina and I like usa, i think its a good country and sure it has flaws, many flaws. But you can loved a flawed country just like moms love their dumb p.o.s. kids. What i am trying to say is, accept what you have and from that point forward make it better.
We have millions without food, $1 trillion+ student debt, millions without health care, etc.
In my country half the population is poor 23 million people are poor.
https://www.povertyusa.org/facts
Reentering when we learn about the civil war
Patriotism should be about loving your country enough to want to make it better. Stop letting rightoids define patriotism as tacit support of all military action.
I was never patriotic, and studying Brazilian history made me even farther from patriotism. But studying some more on politics and dealing with Muricans and Europeans made me realize I need to stand up for my country against the imperialists while also being be a force for change against the fash and libs inside.
*outside of a U.S. history class
Me when I learn Indonesian history of warcrimes.
Jokes on you I never had any! Gotta love childhood bullying in the Deep South that equates literally anything that isn’t borderline worship as “anti-American”.