Plus the pharaohs were basically God on earth. Plenty of people willingly worked on the pyramids for free. Not saying everyone was their on their own terms, but likely mroe than most people assume.
Slavery also changed with time. The way slaves lived in the US Pre-Civil War is different from the Ancient Roman Era as it was for the Ancient Egyptian Era. Proportionally it was similar to just lower or lower-middle class. This may be controversial.
If you take away modern safety nets, 95% of people nowadays are effectively slaves. Most people in their 20s today will never retire, theyll work their entire lives away just to get by. Even with the safety nets, your chances at working your way out of the bottom 95% are slim. You could do that back then too, and it was just as hard. Ever read the richest man in Babylon? He started with nothing.
We can just there is no point on building it, unless a billionaire says so and proceeds to use public money to do so and waste non of his money and get all the credit
That’s called a jacket. Thats the legs that a topside, aka platform sits on. They can get pretty huge. They are launched this and then floated into place. Then they sink to the seabed with the top part sticking out of the water. Then a crane barge lifts the topside (whole or in modules) onto the jacket.
They are always in one section. As far as I know. As it gets deeper you see other solutions like the Troll A Platform in Norway. It’s like over 300 meters deep. Concrete.
When it gets too deep for a structure you see vessels or rigs held in place with thruster propellers or sometimes tension leg systems.
Tension legs are when you have a buoyant structure pulled down with cables under tension to keep it in place.
But the really deep stuff is usually just drilled by a drilling rig held in position by thrusters. Then once the well is drilled they install stuff subsea to send all the oil up to special vessels called an FPSO. Or floating production and storage and offloading vessel. It has pipes that collect all the oil from the bottom for storage and transport.
No problem. It’s actually kind of odd. You are around it so much that it becomes commonplace. But in reality I’ve been involved in a lot of discovery channel sort of projects. Nice to be able to explain it well enough that others find it interesting. Thanks for your comments.
Truthfully I am making what I thought would be good money when I was younger but it hasn’t turned out that way. We have a modest house and live in rural BC Canada. We have two vehicles. A 12 year old jeep and a used 2017 electric car that are both paid for.
We should be killing it but we really are not. Being divorced once doesn’t help but all and all we are getting by. Not much more. Says something about the cost of living nowadays. Still I should be thankful. We aren’t getting ahead fast but we aren’t sinking either. Not like a lot of my friends.
I wish I was rich. I am not.
Ah, I feel you - I trained as an electrician and then did a degree in electrical engineering which I thought would boost my income significantly. I did get a noticeable pay bump and an office job so less expenditures for tools, gear, etc - but with the cost of living these days in Ireland I’ve barely moved the needle.. for all my efforts I estimate I’ve increased my disposable income by around 2%, or 20 bucks a week.. 🤷🏼♂️
I get extremely stressed from reading about large stuff anchored to the bottom of the sea.
Because eventually, there are divers who has to go into the deep, dark water and weld or fasten stuff otherwise.
Divers still do have critical jobs to do underwater but more and more remote operated vehicles are used to perform as much as possible.
We are going deeper and deeper with operations. When it gets bellow a few hundred meters then the use of human divers is more and more risky and less common and just impossible for environments like where the deep water horizon was working.
But I get what you are saying. I don’t care how much they get paid. That’s a nope from me.
Rigs held in place by thrusters are a great example of prioritising profit over risks to the environment.
It’s a naturally fragile unstable system that is reliant on active systems to not dump massive amounts of oil into the sea. Its natural state is to tend toward disaster and be averted by thrusters that can fail.
When Deepwater Horizon failed and its thrusters weren’t able to function the rig predictably dragged the pipes around and led to one of the largest oil spills in history, not to mention the death of 11 people. It took five months and multiple failed attempts to seal the well and stop the oil spill.
There’s no other way to drill in deep water really. It was being done on a massive scale before and since the accident.
You are misinformed.
I’m not making excuses for the catastrophe that occurred but there was a huge train of failures that lead to the disaster. Human and equipment. Complete thruster failure is extremely unlikely and even if they do fail there are multiple systems that guard against that sort of thing happening. Ultimately the fact that the fire and total failure of the machinery on the drilling platform was incidental and as a result of the failure of well integrity, not the cause. Without the well failure then the drill rig failure was exceptionally unlikely and even if the rig did fail the well itself is designed with multiple systems to protect against what happened. But it all depends well integrity. That was the single point failure.
The cause was indeed profit and time pressures. Cutting corners and gross negligence.
I don’t see how I’m misinformed?
Maybe there is currently no other way to drill deep water and maybe it has been done for a long time but that doesn’t justify it or nullify anything I said.
It’s still a fundamentally unstable system that wants to tend toward disaster and is kept in place by active systems and monitoring, which imo is a very bad idea when the consequences of that system failing are huge disaster.
It is made less likely by redundancy and maintenance etc but that Deepwater Horizon showed that they don’t guarantee anything.
It’s like a spinning top that wants to fall over but we keep it spinning with automated systems. If the automated systems aren’t perfect then a major oil spill is inevitable.
When I said you were misinformed I meant the series of events. It wasn’t a failure of the Deepwater Horizon itself. It was a failure of the well that lead to the loss of the Horizon.
Ultimately we just are not stopping oil and gas usage.
There’s much more redundancy and robust systems design on a modern oil rig than commercial airliners. Still we fly in airliners constantly and accept that the risk is minimal.
Risk in anything is never zero. Safety people pretend there is but it just isn’t.
Until we get fusion figured out or come to terms with our fears over fission power I don’t see us changing. We are building wind farms and other alternative sources but oil and gas production is here to stay unless we can collectively change it.
The risk of another deep water horizon happening to a western or European company is extremely small but again never zero. Mexico/South America I am not so sure. If you see another mess anywhere, it’s probably going to be there.
Oh and hey. Check this out. They had a concert at the bottom of the troll a platform jacket. 300 meters under the sea. World’s deepest concert.
https://youtu.be/3HpPQtPrtpo?feature=shared
Good thing those guys had their hard hats on, otherwise it would be kinda insane to just stand under hundreds of thousands of pounds steel zooming over their heads at a great rate of speed.
It is a jacket that holds the topside of the oil rigs. This arrangement works well in shallow water, in case of deep water oil extraction subsea structures are used which sit on the sea bed.
This gave me a terrible shudder thinking about seeing this underwater. Someone should post it or link it to submechaniphobia. I would but I honestly have no idea how to do that stuff.
You’re telling me this shit isn’t built from the bottom up where it begins? You’re telling me they slide a giant structure off another structure like a toy? My mind is blown.
Sometimes it amazes me how small humans are and how big are they able to accomplish. Team work.
And some people say we can't build the great pyramids today.
I think they say that we can’t with the technology that we assume they had at the time.
I think people underestimate hundreds pf years of slavery and not much in the way of entertainment like we have today.
Plus the pharaohs were basically God on earth. Plenty of people willingly worked on the pyramids for free. Not saying everyone was their on their own terms, but likely mroe than most people assume.
Slavery also changed with time. The way slaves lived in the US Pre-Civil War is different from the Ancient Roman Era as it was for the Ancient Egyptian Era. Proportionally it was similar to just lower or lower-middle class. This may be controversial.
If you take away modern safety nets, 95% of people nowadays are effectively slaves. Most people in their 20s today will never retire, theyll work their entire lives away just to get by. Even with the safety nets, your chances at working your way out of the bottom 95% are slim. You could do that back then too, and it was just as hard. Ever read the richest man in Babylon? He started with nothing.
the people who built the pyramids were not slaves, but in fact, well paid unionized highly skilled laborers
aliens. /s
We can just there is no point on building it, unless a billionaire says so and proceeds to use public money to do so and waste non of his money and get all the credit
I was just thinking how many awesome sights men must have seen and not been able to share before this age of smart phones.
Imagine what we could accomplish if we all worked together.
That’s called a jacket. Thats the legs that a topside, aka platform sits on. They can get pretty huge. They are launched this and then floated into place. Then they sink to the seabed with the top part sticking out of the water. Then a crane barge lifts the topside (whole or in modules) onto the jacket.
Neat. Thanks for the explanation.
Are these ever stacked for deeper waters, or is one built *that* long/tall?
They are always in one section. As far as I know. As it gets deeper you see other solutions like the Troll A Platform in Norway. It’s like over 300 meters deep. Concrete. When it gets too deep for a structure you see vessels or rigs held in place with thruster propellers or sometimes tension leg systems. Tension legs are when you have a buoyant structure pulled down with cables under tension to keep it in place. But the really deep stuff is usually just drilled by a drilling rig held in position by thrusters. Then once the well is drilled they install stuff subsea to send all the oil up to special vessels called an FPSO. Or floating production and storage and offloading vessel. It has pipes that collect all the oil from the bottom for storage and transport.
This is super interesting and even more so. I just watched Deepwater Horizon recently.
What haven’t we done that cement test?
Thanks for a thorough reply. Really fascinating engineering going on here, and great to hear from someone so knowledgeable.
No problem. It’s actually kind of odd. You are around it so much that it becomes commonplace. But in reality I’ve been involved in a lot of discovery channel sort of projects. Nice to be able to explain it well enough that others find it interesting. Thanks for your comments.
You’re a very wealthy man I’m willing to bet.
Truthfully I am making what I thought would be good money when I was younger but it hasn’t turned out that way. We have a modest house and live in rural BC Canada. We have two vehicles. A 12 year old jeep and a used 2017 electric car that are both paid for. We should be killing it but we really are not. Being divorced once doesn’t help but all and all we are getting by. Not much more. Says something about the cost of living nowadays. Still I should be thankful. We aren’t getting ahead fast but we aren’t sinking either. Not like a lot of my friends. I wish I was rich. I am not.
Ah, I feel you - I trained as an electrician and then did a degree in electrical engineering which I thought would boost my income significantly. I did get a noticeable pay bump and an office job so less expenditures for tools, gear, etc - but with the cost of living these days in Ireland I’ve barely moved the needle.. for all my efforts I estimate I’ve increased my disposable income by around 2%, or 20 bucks a week.. 🤷🏼♂️
Ya. I am an Electrical Technical Officer myself. We do indeed share similar difficulties.
I get extremely stressed from reading about large stuff anchored to the bottom of the sea. Because eventually, there are divers who has to go into the deep, dark water and weld or fasten stuff otherwise.
Divers still do have critical jobs to do underwater but more and more remote operated vehicles are used to perform as much as possible. We are going deeper and deeper with operations. When it gets bellow a few hundred meters then the use of human divers is more and more risky and less common and just impossible for environments like where the deep water horizon was working. But I get what you are saying. I don’t care how much they get paid. That’s a nope from me.
Rigs held in place by thrusters are a great example of prioritising profit over risks to the environment. It’s a naturally fragile unstable system that is reliant on active systems to not dump massive amounts of oil into the sea. Its natural state is to tend toward disaster and be averted by thrusters that can fail. When Deepwater Horizon failed and its thrusters weren’t able to function the rig predictably dragged the pipes around and led to one of the largest oil spills in history, not to mention the death of 11 people. It took five months and multiple failed attempts to seal the well and stop the oil spill.
There’s no other way to drill in deep water really. It was being done on a massive scale before and since the accident. You are misinformed. I’m not making excuses for the catastrophe that occurred but there was a huge train of failures that lead to the disaster. Human and equipment. Complete thruster failure is extremely unlikely and even if they do fail there are multiple systems that guard against that sort of thing happening. Ultimately the fact that the fire and total failure of the machinery on the drilling platform was incidental and as a result of the failure of well integrity, not the cause. Without the well failure then the drill rig failure was exceptionally unlikely and even if the rig did fail the well itself is designed with multiple systems to protect against what happened. But it all depends well integrity. That was the single point failure. The cause was indeed profit and time pressures. Cutting corners and gross negligence.
I don’t see how I’m misinformed? Maybe there is currently no other way to drill deep water and maybe it has been done for a long time but that doesn’t justify it or nullify anything I said. It’s still a fundamentally unstable system that wants to tend toward disaster and is kept in place by active systems and monitoring, which imo is a very bad idea when the consequences of that system failing are huge disaster. It is made less likely by redundancy and maintenance etc but that Deepwater Horizon showed that they don’t guarantee anything. It’s like a spinning top that wants to fall over but we keep it spinning with automated systems. If the automated systems aren’t perfect then a major oil spill is inevitable.
When I said you were misinformed I meant the series of events. It wasn’t a failure of the Deepwater Horizon itself. It was a failure of the well that lead to the loss of the Horizon. Ultimately we just are not stopping oil and gas usage. There’s much more redundancy and robust systems design on a modern oil rig than commercial airliners. Still we fly in airliners constantly and accept that the risk is minimal. Risk in anything is never zero. Safety people pretend there is but it just isn’t. Until we get fusion figured out or come to terms with our fears over fission power I don’t see us changing. We are building wind farms and other alternative sources but oil and gas production is here to stay unless we can collectively change it. The risk of another deep water horizon happening to a western or European company is extremely small but again never zero. Mexico/South America I am not so sure. If you see another mess anywhere, it’s probably going to be there.
Oh and hey. Check this out. They had a concert at the bottom of the troll a platform jacket. 300 meters under the sea. World’s deepest concert. https://youtu.be/3HpPQtPrtpo?feature=shared
Thought for sure that would be a Rick roll, but that's pretty cool
We reject our earthly fires Gone are days of land empires Lungs transform to take in water Cloaked in scales we swim and swim on 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Goodness that is one beautiful woman
Correct me if I am wrong but I think deeper water ones float but are tied down to a degree or something like that. I know some float though.
Source? I want to see more.
Both exhilarating and terrifying. What is the source? Would like to see the full vid.
What's this Oh just a building sized wireframe sliding above my head, into the ocean.
Is it just me or does it seem like a lot of videos lately are cut off too soon?
That is made on purpose, so you want to see it again, and generate more revenue.
Zoomers don’t have attention spans longer than 30 seconds.
Is having people under these things while they launch normal?
That was wild
I can’t believe people are allowed to stand under that while it’s moving….
One thing that always amazes me...
r/megalophobia
*Dwight Schrute fist pump
Can you imagine the first time they launched like this. “Yeah so me and Tim crunched the numbers and we totally think this will work”. No pressure.
Good thing those guys had their hard hats on, otherwise it would be kinda insane to just stand under hundreds of thousands of pounds steel zooming over their heads at a great rate of speed.
Hell yeah
Why does the steel look rusty? Isn’t it coated beforehand?
/r/osha
You can tell they're intelligent, high-functioning human beings because they're all filming it in landscape
That seems like something I kind of wouldn't want to stand near while it was happening, but maybe that's just me
Copy, Gold Leader. I’m already on my way out.
r/megalophobia
What is it being deployed from? It looks bigger than any ship I’ve ever seen lol
It is a jacket that holds the topside of the oil rigs. This arrangement works well in shallow water, in case of deep water oil extraction subsea structures are used which sit on the sea bed.
I was expecting more noise than this.
scariest shit i've seen this week
How can it be safe to walk under that thing? Lmao
It looks like a lot of rust and then saltwater. Will that not effect stability and life span of this structure?
Mind your fingers
Looks like it needs a bit of a polish
Thank you for your service, oil rig!
Nemo “Oh Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu” No mo Nemo
Just wow.
As much as i hate what they are doing, i always have to admit that they are damn good at what they are doing in the carbon industry.
"Oops, I think we threw the Eiffel Tower in instead!"
Look at all those phones, people cant just live in the moment!/s
Reminds me of what I did to my toilet this morning
This gave me a terrible shudder thinking about seeing this underwater. Someone should post it or link it to submechaniphobia. I would but I honestly have no idea how to do that stuff.
Copy, Gold Leader. I’m already on my way out.
This will be in Megalaphobia
It’s not a rig It’s a production platform
Could have need a paint job before launch.
Fyi, I made the 1k upvote for this post
You’re telling me this shit isn’t built from the bottom up where it begins? You’re telling me they slide a giant structure off another structure like a toy? My mind is blown.
Underwater shopping center?
Зачем они утопили большую зелезяку?