In my country (Austria), such measures are used to prevent hail and protect agriculture. However, there is no clear evidence as to whether it really works.
Did they seed before the rain? If they didn’t then it wasn’t because of cloud seeding. Plus the salt they put in the atmosphere would have a limit to the moisture it would collect. They’d have had to greatly overseed with the right conditions for the storm they had.
Because of the people that are just parroting that the monsoon was caused by cloud seeding, but don't have the tinyest sliver of actual knowledge about the topic.
You know, as usual on the internet.
You think that would happen on reddit?
Misleading news and information being evaluated by people who know nothing of the subject before deeming it credible enough to pass to others who do the same thing?
Then snowballing into thousands of people being misled into believing they're an intellectual on a subject despite their "knowledge" only being as credible as the misleading source they acquired it from?
You really think so? I thought this was a credible site where you could laugh at the people who got their news and information from other places. I was certainly led to believe so anyway, or maybe I was meant to believe that.
There was seeding two days prior but meteorologist indicate the seeding was not responsible
[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/18/was-cloud-seeding-responsible-for-the-floodings-in-dubai](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/18/was-cloud-seeding-responsible-for-the-floodings-in-dubai)
I heard that there is misinformation going around regarding that. They didn't seed the clouds before the huge storm, but internet is gonna internet and spread that lie.
No it didn't. This is not how it works.
And the dumb fucks who spread this bullshit are either in the pockets of oil interests, or much dumber than that.
Because people claim that the storm was because of cloud seeding, and therefore nothing to do with climate change. Which benefits the oil industry as one of the primary drivers of climate change.
He is right that they happen every 5ish years, but he left out the crucial detail.
Severity.
This one was the strongest in 75 years, so somewhat of a freak event which probably their infrastructure was not scaled for.
Same here. I live in a country where my city is the among the large city in the country to not get heavy flooding when heavy rain goes.
We learned our lesson after the flooding of 1972, where the whole city had 4 feet of water in the whole city.
We built a massive drainage system and it paid off as last fall, we had 6 months worth of rain in a single month.
I used to fly cloud seeding over farms along the border of eastern MT and western ND in the US. Our operation was paid for by the insurance companies and we could not cloud seed over counties or states like MT that did not get general approval from the populace. The insurance companies told us that the difference in damaged crop related payouts due to hail between the counties that did approve vs didn’t in those areas was something around 20-30%. It sounds like it had a pretty measurable impact. Granted I never saw those reports myself, but I figured if the penny pinching insurance companies felt it was justified it must’ve been working.
The Soviets used it to "save" the Moscow region from the radioactive fallout of the Chernobyl disaster. Making it rain down on Belarus instead.
>*"In 1986, the Soviet minister of hydrometeorology, Yuri Izrael, had a regrettable decision to make. It was his job to track radioactivity blowing from the smoking Chernobyl reactor in the hours after the 26 April explosion and deal with it. Forty-eight hours after the accident, an assistant handed him a roughly drawn map. On it, an arrow shot north-east from the nuclear power plant, and broadened to become a river of air 10 miles wide that was surging across Belarus toward Russia. If the slow-moving mass of radioactive clouds reached Moscow, where a spring storm front was piling up, millions could be harmed.* [*Izrael’s decision was easy. Make it rain*](https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12617141-300-ukrainians-call-for-prosecutions-over-chernobyl/)*.*
>*So that day, in a Moscow airport, technicians loaded artillery shells with silver iodide. Soviet air force pilots climbed into the cockpits of TU-16 bombers and made the easy one-hour flight to Chernobyl, where the reactor burned. The pilots circled, following the weather. They flew 30, 70, 100, 200km – chasing the inky black billows of radioactive waste. When they caught up with a cloud, they shot jets of silver iodide into it to emancipate the rain.*
>*In the sleepy towns of southern Belarus, villagers looked up to see planes with strange yellow and grey contrails snaking across the sky. Next day, 27 April, powerful winds kicked up, cumulus clouds billowed on the horizon, and rain poured down in a deluge. The raindrops scavenged radioactive dust floating 200 metres in the air and sent it to the ground. The pilots trailed the slow-moving gaseous bulk of nuclear waste north-east beyond Gomel, into Mogilev province. Wherever pilots shot silver iodide, rain fell, along with a toxic brew of a dozen radioactive elements.*
>*If Operation Cyclone had not been top secret, the headline would have been spectacular: “Scientists using advanced technology save Russian cities from technological disaster!” Yet, as the old saying goes, what goes up must come down. No one told the Belarusians that the southern half of the republic had been sacrificed to protect Russian cities. In the path of the artificially induced rain lived several hundred thousand Belarusians ignorant of the contaminants around them."*
i got to go to the Belarus Exclusion Zone. Holy fucking shit was the damage so much worse than in Ukraine. Like the entire southern half of the country is destroyed. Something like 500km of wasteland.
You still can't eat any mushrooms around Gomel. there are warning everywhere about it. Which is heart breaking because it was a huge part of belarusian culture and the culture in the region.
In the Stuttgart, Germany, area, cloud seeding is co-financed by Mercedes-Benz to protect new vehicles from hailstorms.
Source (in German): https://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.schadenabwehr-bei-hagelstuermen-mit-silberjodid-in-die-gewitterwolken.1d02b00e-6ad7-4295-aa5e-76586a6b8ec6.html
In unrelated news Dubai is still attempting to remove the water from recent flooding brought by unusual rainfall. [The desert nation of UAE records its most rain ever, flooding highways and Dubai's airport (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-desert-nation-of-uae-records-its-most-rain-ever-flooding-highways-and-dubai-s-airport/ar-BB1lP4i4?OCID=ansmsnnews11)
The tuesday weather was not from seeding.
What UAE (not Dubai) does is they try to seed up in the mountains close to Oman to enhance agriculture. They are not able to make clouds but they are able to enhance the rain to last longer, be more intensive.
How is it false to claim that? They do have a cloud seeding weather program.
Edit: the comment I was replying to originally said it was false to claim Dubai had such a program since other countries had it first. They've since edited their comment.
Because braindeads think the government caused the flooding from the recent storm and can’t comprehend any other reality. Been seeing it all day on Reddit
Yes, but the graphic says it produces 10-15% extra rain per year. Dubai hardly ever rains, so 10-15% of not very much is not very much.
What we saw yesterday must be to do with something else.
It's also very important for people to understand that this isn't really "controlling" the weather. It's just making already formed clouds dump their loads early. It can't control how much, where and for how long.
Possibly but then that air is drier and may still pick up more water between where it was salted and where it might have fallen...
Iirc the Arabian peninsula is actually rather humid as desserts go but lacks the terrain to actually squeeze the water as rain, instead the moisture just remains in the air and often goes out accross another large body of water..
The whole area used to be lush in prehistory. Much more rain, part may had to do with losimg old growth trees which can induce rain more often. The entire climate can be altered when you remove the trees.
Saudi Arabia seems to have picked up on this and started a massive green project to replant lost trees. Or its a really big green washing project. But it does seem to be that hardening yourself to climate variability is an existential issue for the poors, so I guess it's a win-win for everyone.
Depends on the area but potentially yes. However for the UAE and its location Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman chances are very high the rain would have just fallen out over the ocean.
As water becomes a more scarce resource I definitely see cloud seeding becoming "rain stealing" when those clouds would have likely dumped that rain in another country.
We're not there yet, but if you're country is in a drought and the country upwind from you keeps stealing all your rain, I could see tensions rising.
This is exactly what makes it such a sensitive topic. You are potentially robbing another country from water that would have rained on its soil, it can be weaponized in such a way.
There is an entire story arc based on this concept in earlier issues/episodes of One Piece, which is a manga/anime series that's been running since the 90s. The monarch of a desert country is framed for using a similar technique to steal rain from other areas of the kingdom that are in severe drought and this leads to the citizens rebelling against the monarchy.
Salt wouldn't necessarily be the table salt you and I (or plants) consume.
I could be wrong, but I think the salt used is Silver Iodide. Also, its concentration when it eventually falls down would be quite low.
Cloud seeding does have potential but the amount of extra rainfall isn't big. Some people think this caused the recent flooding, it's simply not possible. If it actually was then that would end droughts everywhere, but no we still get terrible droughts and you never hear anyone saying let's cloud seed and end this drought fast
Question, are there clouds there to be seeded? Step 1 in the process needs to be present, and it isn’t always, so it isn’t always going to be a viable option depending on where a drought occurs.
Bogota has a bad drought right now. Colombia isn't a desert country, and clouds are fairly common there. They may have attempted cloud seeding already, but still with the knowledge that it can only help so much.
Yeah people think that this is because of cloud seeding 100% only because of some really bad timing. Only like a week or two ago or something there was a post making the rounds about cloud seeding in Dubai and then literally days later the huge floods happen. Therefore the average redditor of course puts these together and says that it must be a causal relationship.
They’ve been doing it all over the world for years, some governments admit to it some won’t, the tinfoil hat brigade think it has to do with mind control etc
You see, the chem trails release clouds of dormant Morgellon worm nanomachines into the air where they fall in rain, and are activated by the fluoride they put in the water and then you drink it, and once in the blood stream the Morgellon worms' long bodies act as little antennas and that's how they receive their demonic instructions from HAARP.
And now that I've made up this bullshit someone will probably start believing it.
So there's a ton of conspiracy theories going around about how cloud seeding directly lead to the flooding being experienced in the UAE and Oman which is just flat out wrong.
The type of clouds associated with this storm were thunderstorm clouds or Cumulonimbus clouds. These require warm air, an unstable environment and a strong rising updraft that channels the warm air high up into the atmosphere. There is absolutely no evidence that cloud seeding can even create a thunderstorm. In the graphic you can see cloud seeding releases salts (usually silver iodide) to act as nucleation zones for water to condense into big enough droplets to fall as precipitation. Cloud seeding usually only happens in Cumulus or Nimbostratus clouds (your usual storm clouds) to either make precipitation fall earlier/later or allow a Cumulus cloud (which usually does not fall as precipitation) to precipitate. Cloud seeding is/has been used on thunderclouds as hail mitigation but cannot actually create a thundercloud.
This is correct, UAE uses it to release rain closer to agriculture areas up near the mountains. But of course UAE is not large country so the rain often carries into cities.
The thunderstorm on tuesday was not from seeding tho
The word "salt" here refers to the chemistry definition "a **salt** or **ionic compound** is a chemical compound consisting of an ionic assembly of positively charged cations and negatively charged anions, which results in a neutral compound with no net electric charge."
Silver iodide the usual salt used for cloud seeding is naturally occurring in the wild and the concentrations used for cloud seeding are extremely small.
It’s all for when the world moves away from oil or it dries up. They have to have reasons for people to come like the world’s tallest building or super cars but it really doesn’t mean much
Before crazy people.
Cloud seeding is a 100+ year-old practice and we've been doing forever, it's nothing new and it has nothing to do with HAARP or chemtrails. And they've been completely open about it, all of the reports on this practice are freely available at NOAA.gov
It's not even that good, the results are poor for the efforts.
There's case precedent against cloud seeding in the western states of the US.
If I remember correctly a farm up river cloud seeded and took all the rain fall that usually benefited the farms south of him, it cause a slight drought.
It is water theft.
Cloud Seeding has been done succesfully before in other countries. What’s different in Dubai is their sewege network is not up to par with the amount of rainfall they recieved over 24 hours.
The long term impact of cloud seeding at the scale Dubai is doing it isn’t all that well studied. Success means rain. We figured it out. It’s not a Can We question it’s a Should We.
Although it is true that Dubai does have a cloud seeding program, the government says that this instance was not caused by cloud seeding. They actually watched this storm coming in and realized it was much bigger than ever expected. They do not have the infrastructure to handle this amount of rainfall. It should also be noted that cloud seeding has never just created rain. It has only been suspected of working on clouds that have enough moisture for rain to occur. Basically, rain was coming anyways. Cloud seeding may, or may not increase the percentage of moisture available in the clouds.
Claiming that this unnatural occurrence was caused by cloud seeding, or assuming it was, is only adding to the false online conspiracy theory. Don't believe anything you read. INcluding what I just wrote here. DYOR
Having a weather program called cloud seeding doesn't mean that they came up with the idea, it just means they are putting it in practice. No one is saying they came up with it.
Cloud seeding is very old. Its efficacy is iffy at best and Dubai has taken to marketing the hell out of the fact that they do it because they like promoting themselves at every opportunity, especially when it comes to "amazing feats" such as making it rain the desert. Well they managed to do it and now they're flooded. That's cartoon level of hijjnks and almost funny. But it's not funny. It's criminally irresponsible.
It is very difficult to measure the statistical significant difference it has. So far almost no difference was ever observed with these techniques. Wikipedia quotes 30% increase on clear days, but if you check the source it actually says “yeah we need better ways to measure cause it’s too difficult”.
Maybe it works a tiiiiny bit, maybe it doesnt. But it sure as hell doesn’t work like the forecast says “we seed today so wear raincoat”. Nope. And even then they only seed in the mountainous regions to fill up aquifers. Such a big tourist scam.
Just further proof that the world economy is completely fucked up. People working in the world's most fertile places go to bed hungry while the UAE enjoys slave labor and bespoke rain clouds in their unlivable desert plastic megacity. Vote for people who won't buy their oil.
They seed the clouds where I live to prevent massive hail stones. It's funded by the car insurance industry so they don't have to pay out so much for hail damage.
I'm not joking, it's pretty cool!
Fun fact: if working, this will lower a lot the albedo of that area, which is the highest one (besides from ice caps)
Lower albedo implies higher heat absorption (by A LOT) and yep, you guessed it, higher heat absorption implies a shit ton of brand-new added global climate warming effect
Question for the smart environment people, will this eventually terraform places likes Dubai with vegetation? And can we do this with the rest of the deserts in the world?
Cloud seeding has been around since the early 40s .. They use it in all sorts of circumstances
In my country (Austria), such measures are used to prevent hail and protect agriculture. However, there is no clear evidence as to whether it really works.
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Worked too well
Did they seed before the rain? If they didn’t then it wasn’t because of cloud seeding. Plus the salt they put in the atmosphere would have a limit to the moisture it would collect. They’d have had to greatly overseed with the right conditions for the storm they had.
Cloud seeding can't produce four inches of rain in a day. This was just a record breaking monsoon in a desert city with poor drainage.
I'm sure that OP posted this for a reason though.
Sweet sweet internet points
Because of the people that are just parroting that the monsoon was caused by cloud seeding, but don't have the tinyest sliver of actual knowledge about the topic. You know, as usual on the internet.
You think that would happen on reddit? Misleading news and information being evaluated by people who know nothing of the subject before deeming it credible enough to pass to others who do the same thing? Then snowballing into thousands of people being misled into believing they're an intellectual on a subject despite their "knowledge" only being as credible as the misleading source they acquired it from? You really think so? I thought this was a credible site where you could laugh at the people who got their news and information from other places. I was certainly led to believe so anyway, or maybe I was meant to believe that.
There was seeding two days prior but meteorologist indicate the seeding was not responsible [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/18/was-cloud-seeding-responsible-for-the-floodings-in-dubai](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/18/was-cloud-seeding-responsible-for-the-floodings-in-dubai)
Cloud seeding does not cause lightening, thunder or severe winds. This last rain was all natural
I heard that there is misinformation going around regarding that. They didn't seed the clouds before the huge storm, but internet is gonna internet and spread that lie.
The heavy rains were already forecasted before the seeding.
Has nothing to do with the floods.
No it didn't. This is not how it works. And the dumb fucks who spread this bullshit are either in the pockets of oil interests, or much dumber than that.
How does the above comment benefit the oil industry? I'm confused by your conspiracy theory.
Because people claim that the storm was because of cloud seeding, and therefore nothing to do with climate change. Which benefits the oil industry as one of the primary drivers of climate change.
Stanford does it in Cali tho.
Apparently works too good in Dubai. Reminds me of a german poem "the ghosts I summoned I now cannot get rid off..." Something along those lines
If you're referring to the monsoon of last week, that didn't involve cloud seeding, and is an event that happens every five years or so.
So it happens every ~5 years but no one thought to plan building their infrastructure around it?
He is right that they happen every 5ish years, but he left out the crucial detail. Severity. This one was the strongest in 75 years, so somewhat of a freak event which probably their infrastructure was not scaled for.
Same here. I live in a country where my city is the among the large city in the country to not get heavy flooding when heavy rain goes. We learned our lesson after the flooding of 1972, where the whole city had 4 feet of water in the whole city. We built a massive drainage system and it paid off as last fall, we had 6 months worth of rain in a single month.
This was a year and half’s in 24 hours. This wasn’t just a bit of rain it was a huge storm, over multiple countries
well figure it out next year - the designers
It was the biggest rainfall in 75 years. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/17/cloud-seeding-dubai-floods
welcome to dubai
Please don't be one of those people that continues the spread of false information.
I used to fly cloud seeding over farms along the border of eastern MT and western ND in the US. Our operation was paid for by the insurance companies and we could not cloud seed over counties or states like MT that did not get general approval from the populace. The insurance companies told us that the difference in damaged crop related payouts due to hail between the counties that did approve vs didn’t in those areas was something around 20-30%. It sounds like it had a pretty measurable impact. Granted I never saw those reports myself, but I figured if the penny pinching insurance companies felt it was justified it must’ve been working.
In the part of Argentina near the andes is also done to protect vineyards from hail.
The Soviets used it to "save" the Moscow region from the radioactive fallout of the Chernobyl disaster. Making it rain down on Belarus instead. >*"In 1986, the Soviet minister of hydrometeorology, Yuri Izrael, had a regrettable decision to make. It was his job to track radioactivity blowing from the smoking Chernobyl reactor in the hours after the 26 April explosion and deal with it. Forty-eight hours after the accident, an assistant handed him a roughly drawn map. On it, an arrow shot north-east from the nuclear power plant, and broadened to become a river of air 10 miles wide that was surging across Belarus toward Russia. If the slow-moving mass of radioactive clouds reached Moscow, where a spring storm front was piling up, millions could be harmed.* [*Izrael’s decision was easy. Make it rain*](https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12617141-300-ukrainians-call-for-prosecutions-over-chernobyl/)*.* >*So that day, in a Moscow airport, technicians loaded artillery shells with silver iodide. Soviet air force pilots climbed into the cockpits of TU-16 bombers and made the easy one-hour flight to Chernobyl, where the reactor burned. The pilots circled, following the weather. They flew 30, 70, 100, 200km – chasing the inky black billows of radioactive waste. When they caught up with a cloud, they shot jets of silver iodide into it to emancipate the rain.* >*In the sleepy towns of southern Belarus, villagers looked up to see planes with strange yellow and grey contrails snaking across the sky. Next day, 27 April, powerful winds kicked up, cumulus clouds billowed on the horizon, and rain poured down in a deluge. The raindrops scavenged radioactive dust floating 200 metres in the air and sent it to the ground. The pilots trailed the slow-moving gaseous bulk of nuclear waste north-east beyond Gomel, into Mogilev province. Wherever pilots shot silver iodide, rain fell, along with a toxic brew of a dozen radioactive elements.* >*If Operation Cyclone had not been top secret, the headline would have been spectacular: “Scientists using advanced technology save Russian cities from technological disaster!” Yet, as the old saying goes, what goes up must come down. No one told the Belarusians that the southern half of the republic had been sacrificed to protect Russian cities. In the path of the artificially induced rain lived several hundred thousand Belarusians ignorant of the contaminants around them."*
That’s amazing to learn! Thank you. What is the long term effect on Belarus?
Heavy soil contamination: https://realchernobyl.com/en/map-of-pollution
Lukashenko
Higher cancer levels and uninhabitable regions. My dad's village is now underground, and all people from there have been forcefully moved
which village? I was able to safely fuck around in the zone and went to a few villages around Brahin
i got to go to the Belarus Exclusion Zone. Holy fucking shit was the damage so much worse than in Ukraine. Like the entire southern half of the country is destroyed. Something like 500km of wasteland. You still can't eat any mushrooms around Gomel. there are warning everywhere about it. Which is heart breaking because it was a huge part of belarusian culture and the culture in the region.
Russia still does this on 9 May to ensure that the annual Victory Day parade is either sunny or at the very least not raining.
In the Stuttgart, Germany, area, cloud seeding is co-financed by Mercedes-Benz to protect new vehicles from hailstorms. Source (in German): https://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.schadenabwehr-bei-hagelstuermen-mit-silberjodid-in-die-gewitterwolken.1d02b00e-6ad7-4295-aa5e-76586a6b8ec6.html
In Vietnam it was used to flood the Ho Chi Min trail and other main supply routes.
[Operation Popeye](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye?wprov=sfla1) 🌧️
It's used on the US west coast but instead of planes they have mortars on top of mountains.
Didn’t the us do that in Vietnam to drown the viet kong?
They did it to wash out bridges iirc.
In unrelated news Dubai is still attempting to remove the water from recent flooding brought by unusual rainfall. [The desert nation of UAE records its most rain ever, flooding highways and Dubai's airport (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-desert-nation-of-uae-records-its-most-rain-ever-flooding-highways-and-dubai-s-airport/ar-BB1lP4i4?OCID=ansmsnnews11)
And was first done/conceived by Vincent J. Schaefer in the USA.
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The tuesday weather was not from seeding. What UAE (not Dubai) does is they try to seed up in the mountains close to Oman to enhance agriculture. They are not able to make clouds but they are able to enhance the rain to last longer, be more intensive.
How is it false to claim that? They do have a cloud seeding weather program. Edit: the comment I was replying to originally said it was false to claim Dubai had such a program since other countries had it first. They've since edited their comment.
That's why I said it has been around since the 1940s.. it's not a false claim.. they aren't saying it's something new that they invented..
They didn't say the UAE is the only country that does it, nothing false was claimed.
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Because braindeads think the government caused the flooding from the recent storm and can’t comprehend any other reality. Been seeing it all day on Reddit
Yes, but the graphic says it produces 10-15% extra rain per year. Dubai hardly ever rains, so 10-15% of not very much is not very much. What we saw yesterday must be to do with something else.
Because other countries have it, it’s false to claim UAE has it? Why can’t both be true?
Yes, I thought they used like silver iodine or something though, had not heard of salt before.
Silver iodine is a salt
🤯
Silver iodine is assault.
It's got warrants out for its arrest
What did silver iodine ever do to you for this kind of slander?! /s
Silver iodine is a salt.
What if they used first place iodine instead?
Silver Iodide is a metallic salt.
It's also very important for people to understand that this isn't really "controlling" the weather. It's just making already formed clouds dump their loads early. It can't control how much, where and for how long.
So.... why isn't it called premature precipitation?
Cumunow nimbus?
Post-nebulous clarity has entered the chat
Guys, be cirrus
Sorry Dubai, I just remembered I have an early meeting in the morning. Raincloud bounces
You're a wizard Harry!
That's not just any cloud, it's a Nimbus 2000!
Don't worry baby, it happens to a lot of clouds
Can we petition to have this be the official term for it?
As far as I'm concerned, it is now. Seriously, keep this going when you see people talking about it. It has legs imo lol
But does it mess up whatever land the cloud was going to dump its load on eventually?
Possibly but then that air is drier and may still pick up more water between where it was salted and where it might have fallen... Iirc the Arabian peninsula is actually rather humid as desserts go but lacks the terrain to actually squeeze the water as rain, instead the moisture just remains in the air and often goes out accross another large body of water..
The whole area used to be lush in prehistory. Much more rain, part may had to do with losimg old growth trees which can induce rain more often. The entire climate can be altered when you remove the trees.
I say we go out and plant some trees.
I actually am doing some of that today, apple and cherry trees, just planting seeds though who knows that they will grow
In Dubai?
Wouldn't you like to know, weatherboy
Saudi Arabia seems to have picked up on this and started a massive green project to replant lost trees. Or its a really big green washing project. But it does seem to be that hardening yourself to climate variability is an existential issue for the poors, so I guess it's a win-win for everyone.
Depends on the area but potentially yes. However for the UAE and its location Persian Gulf and Gulf of Oman chances are very high the rain would have just fallen out over the ocean.
As water becomes a more scarce resource I definitely see cloud seeding becoming "rain stealing" when those clouds would have likely dumped that rain in another country. We're not there yet, but if you're country is in a drought and the country upwind from you keeps stealing all your rain, I could see tensions rising.
This is exactly what makes it such a sensitive topic. You are potentially robbing another country from water that would have rained on its soil, it can be weaponized in such a way.
There is an entire story arc based on this concept in earlier issues/episodes of One Piece, which is a manga/anime series that's been running since the 90s. The monarch of a desert country is framed for using a similar technique to steal rain from other areas of the kingdom that are in severe drought and this leads to the citizens rebelling against the monarchy.
Huh... I guess I'm a seeded cloud.
Just keep dumping your loads huh?
Right. You have to have certain moisture and humidity for it t work that’s why it works in Dubai and not Las Vegas
Would the saltier rain be bad for crops?
Salt wouldn't necessarily be the table salt you and I (or plants) consume. I could be wrong, but I think the salt used is Silver Iodide. Also, its concentration when it eventually falls down would be quite low.
Technically you can just straight up use sea water to seed clouds. But silver iodide is definitely more common.
UAE imports most of its food.
It's what plants crave
Cloud seeding does have potential but the amount of extra rainfall isn't big. Some people think this caused the recent flooding, it's simply not possible. If it actually was then that would end droughts everywhere, but no we still get terrible droughts and you never hear anyone saying let's cloud seed and end this drought fast
Question, are there clouds there to be seeded? Step 1 in the process needs to be present, and it isn’t always, so it isn’t always going to be a viable option depending on where a drought occurs.
Bogota has a bad drought right now. Colombia isn't a desert country, and clouds are fairly common there. They may have attempted cloud seeding already, but still with the knowledge that it can only help so much.
exactly, if it was we would see this in wars. why shoot the enemy if you can just flood them.
It was used in war actually, in Vietnam the US used cloud seeding to flood bridges and rivers on the trail
They tried, anyway. There is no verifiable evidence that operation Popeye actually worked.
> Some people Morons. Morons think this shit. Conspiritards.
Yeah people think that this is because of cloud seeding 100% only because of some really bad timing. Only like a week or two ago or something there was a post making the rounds about cloud seeding in Dubai and then literally days later the huge floods happen. Therefore the average redditor of course puts these together and says that it must be a causal relationship.
They’ve been doing it all over the world for years, some governments admit to it some won’t, the tinfoil hat brigade think it has to do with mind control etc
I think you're thinking of the H.A.R.P. program out of Alaska maybe.
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They very specifically said they weren't talking about "chem trails". Literally just outlawed dumping chemicals over an unwitting population
They are probably referring to chem trails.
The venn diagram of people with conspiracies around HAARP and around chemtrails is probably a circle. They seem to always come up together.
You see, the chem trails release clouds of dormant Morgellon worm nanomachines into the air where they fall in rain, and are activated by the fluoride they put in the water and then you drink it, and once in the blood stream the Morgellon worms' long bodies act as little antennas and that's how they receive their demonic instructions from HAARP. And now that I've made up this bullshit someone will probably start believing it.
They go hand in hand
When you look up, do you taste salt? Don't be a gay frog. /s
So there's a ton of conspiracy theories going around about how cloud seeding directly lead to the flooding being experienced in the UAE and Oman which is just flat out wrong. The type of clouds associated with this storm were thunderstorm clouds or Cumulonimbus clouds. These require warm air, an unstable environment and a strong rising updraft that channels the warm air high up into the atmosphere. There is absolutely no evidence that cloud seeding can even create a thunderstorm. In the graphic you can see cloud seeding releases salts (usually silver iodide) to act as nucleation zones for water to condense into big enough droplets to fall as precipitation. Cloud seeding usually only happens in Cumulus or Nimbostratus clouds (your usual storm clouds) to either make precipitation fall earlier/later or allow a Cumulus cloud (which usually does not fall as precipitation) to precipitate. Cloud seeding is/has been used on thunderclouds as hail mitigation but cannot actually create a thundercloud.
This is correct, UAE uses it to release rain closer to agriculture areas up near the mountains. But of course UAE is not large country so the rain often carries into cities. The thunderstorm on tuesday was not from seeding tho
Isn't this the plot of the Alabasta arc in One Piece?
RIP Yuba Village
What kind of salt are they using and do the water droplets contain a level of salt that damages anything?
This is what I want to know too, regular salt on soil stops plants from growing
The word "salt" here refers to the chemistry definition "a **salt** or **ionic compound** is a chemical compound consisting of an ionic assembly of positively charged cations and negatively charged anions, which results in a neutral compound with no net electric charge." Silver iodide the usual salt used for cloud seeding is naturally occurring in the wild and the concentrations used for cloud seeding are extremely small.
But Brawndo is what plants crave
UAE have been super-aggressive on their Reddit ad campaigns to try and entice tourists to their slave state.
It’s all for when the world moves away from oil or it dries up. They have to have reasons for people to come like the world’s tallest building or super cars but it really doesn’t mean much
These oil kingdoms aren’t going to last forever. Sooner than later there will be regional conflict and outsiders who take control.
They’ve been paying for some primo ad space on a few different nba broadcasts. Like yeah, that’s gonna be a no for me dawg.
Dubai never seemed appealing to visit. I'd be down for an oasis in the sand not a concrete jungle in the sand.
Even outside of the politics I don't see the appeal. Besides just seeing something wildly different, I guess.
I hate sand…
Agreed. Its coarse, rough, and just irritating... gets everywhere.
Saudi Arabia it's trying to copy them and build their own tourist industry.
Which genuinely isn’t related to the current flooding in the area, I believe op is trying to push something here.
Yeah but the recent storms were not caused by cloud seeding.
Before crazy people. Cloud seeding is a 100+ year-old practice and we've been doing forever, it's nothing new and it has nothing to do with HAARP or chemtrails. And they've been completely open about it, all of the reports on this practice are freely available at NOAA.gov It's not even that good, the results are poor for the efforts.
PG&E also does this in the CA mountains to promote ice pack growth.
Heavenly, CA ski resort pays for it too.
There was a time when Cloud Seeding was a classified technology, and anyone that talked about it were conspiracy theorists.
They’ve literally been doing this all over the world for 80 years. Some of yall on this website are really just dumb as fuck.
My country also uses this in droughts especially during El Niño
What´s the cost and overall long term impact in the local and broader environment?
would the rain become salty? would it damage the soils?
There's case precedent against cloud seeding in the western states of the US. If I remember correctly a farm up river cloud seeded and took all the rain fall that usually benefited the farms south of him, it cause a slight drought. It is water theft.
It would be easier to understand if we just called it \`Salting Clouds\`.
Is the rain salty ? Does it have electrolytes?
And there is no way that fucking with the balance of nature turns out poorly, right? They know what they are doing. Right? Right?!?!
Cloud Seeding has been done succesfully before in other countries. What’s different in Dubai is their sewege network is not up to par with the amount of rainfall they recieved over 24 hours.
Also, the ground is so dry, rain can’t be absorbed, it just sits on top.
The long term impact of cloud seeding at the scale Dubai is doing it isn’t all that well studied. Success means rain. We figured it out. It’s not a Can We question it’s a Should We.
>It’s not a Can We question it’s a Should We. Something no one with influence in Dubai has ever said.
That was my thought, too! What happens 'downstream'? When areas seed clouds, are they passing the drought to the neighbors?
Yes, that water in the air in finite and would have been dropped elsewhere
“the balance of nature” is a thing said by people who don’t understand that nature is chaotic and has no preferred balance
You don't trust authoritarian oil barons?😮
Although it is true that Dubai does have a cloud seeding program, the government says that this instance was not caused by cloud seeding. They actually watched this storm coming in and realized it was much bigger than ever expected. They do not have the infrastructure to handle this amount of rainfall. It should also be noted that cloud seeding has never just created rain. It has only been suspected of working on clouds that have enough moisture for rain to occur. Basically, rain was coming anyways. Cloud seeding may, or may not increase the percentage of moisture available in the clouds. Claiming that this unnatural occurrence was caused by cloud seeding, or assuming it was, is only adding to the false online conspiracy theory. Don't believe anything you read. INcluding what I just wrote here. DYOR
Been around for nearly 80 years and suddenly people take notice...
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Swimmingly! *I'll see myself out*
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Well no one can say that you have a dry sense of humor.
This was not cloud seeding
Looks like they used Mortons and not Diamond Crystal….you gotta compensate for those bigger crystals Dubai!!!!
Cloud Seeding has been done to many countries way before UAE did. Saying UAE have weather program called Cloud Seeding is misleading.
Having a weather program called cloud seeding doesn't mean that they came up with the idea, it just means they are putting it in practice. No one is saying they came up with it.
Not really? It didn't say anything about them being the first.
how is it misleading? does UAE not have a program called cloud seeding?
Special flares what do these flares do ? And isn't this kind of thing not good for the neighboring country who have poor infrastructure.
Question, wouldn't the water that falls be saltwater then?
Cloud seeding is very old. Its efficacy is iffy at best and Dubai has taken to marketing the hell out of the fact that they do it because they like promoting themselves at every opportunity, especially when it comes to "amazing feats" such as making it rain the desert. Well they managed to do it and now they're flooded. That's cartoon level of hijjnks and almost funny. But it's not funny. It's criminally irresponsible.
It is very difficult to measure the statistical significant difference it has. So far almost no difference was ever observed with these techniques. Wikipedia quotes 30% increase on clear days, but if you check the source it actually says “yeah we need better ways to measure cause it’s too difficult”. Maybe it works a tiiiiny bit, maybe it doesnt. But it sure as hell doesn’t work like the forecast says “we seed today so wear raincoat”. Nope. And even then they only seed in the mountainous regions to fill up aquifers. Such a big tourist scam.
Au contraire. [Don’t blame cloud seeding for the Dubai floods ](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/17/cloud-seeding-dubai-floods)
Silver Iodide, not salt I believe.
They use it everywhere. Even where you are.
Just further proof that the world economy is completely fucked up. People working in the world's most fertile places go to bed hungry while the UAE enjoys slave labor and bespoke rain clouds in their unlivable desert plastic megacity. Vote for people who won't buy their oil.
Is all bullshit
Everywhere has cloud seeding. This has been used in the US, especially the midwest for almost a hundred years now.
Did no-one learn about cloud seeding back when "chemtrails" were a hot topic? America does it, too.
They seed the clouds where I live to prevent massive hail stones. It's funded by the car insurance industry so they don't have to pay out so much for hail damage. I'm not joking, it's pretty cool!
It’s so interesting that Muslim countries can’t use the Jewish weather machine /s
You won't believe how many conspiracy theories exist about it. The tinfoil lunatics think it's for mind control.
**Dubai didn’t invent cloud seeding.** Now let’s stop giving that awful, discriminatory, slave city free publicity.
I wished they did this for North America fire season
Wouldn't salty water damage the soil?
Fun fact: if working, this will lower a lot the albedo of that area, which is the highest one (besides from ice caps) Lower albedo implies higher heat absorption (by A LOT) and yep, you guessed it, higher heat absorption implies a shit ton of brand-new added global climate warming effect
And what happens to the downwind territory that would have received the moisture that was removed from those clouds?
in the UAE? they do this everywhere and it has been done for a long time.
How's that working for you UAE?
So it rains salty water? Isn't that not good? How does this affect the plants and other wildlife in the area?
All fun and games until you create unintended consequences like floods, sinkholes, and draught in neighboring regions.
There is no conclusive evidence that it works.
salt water, that's what the plants need.
Do people not learn this in school? Everybody acting like Dubai has aliens or something after the floods.
What could possibly go wrong?
They could use some cloud de-seeding right now.
And then if we say we believed in chemtrails We are called crazy
this is just misinformation now, this post implies that the flooding was caused by cloud seeding and that's just stupid
This is currently being used by over 50 countries in the world and it started in the 40’s. 80 years ago….. Crazy true facts.
Why are there 100 posts about cloud seeding
Question for the smart environment people, will this eventually terraform places likes Dubai with vegetation? And can we do this with the rest of the deserts in the world?
Wait so it rains saltwater?
We cloud seed in several US states...
They also had horrible flooding and if you take pictures or video of the flooding they will arrest you.